It's to stop him being able to carry out valuable research, or contact people who could aid in his defence.
In other words, it's to make it harder for him to build a defence now they've stitched him up.
So does this mean New Zealand doesn't have full disclosure laws like Canada does? Remind me not to go there. For those that don't know in Canada, when you're accused of something, you get a thing called full disclosure. Showing all of the evidence against you, and I do mean all. Every single bit, right down to how they did what they did, and when they started doing it.
Remember the next time that someone says that the US Constitution is a "living breathing document" open to interpretation, that this is the type of abuse that it leads to.
There were reports in europe about airport screeners doing the same thing not only to women, but to religious minorities. In turn people are corrupt, and when you take people who get 4 hours of training(give or take a little bit), and give them any type of authority. Bad things happen, like abuse of power.
If I remember right. 40% of north america was still in an moderate to heavy ice age period when "man landed here" so really the only increase you're going to see in forest is up. Then again, living in Canada and all that we've been doing this for nearly 100 years without too much of a problem. And again, the only places where forests are degrading is where we've stopped natural burn and clear cycles from happening from forest fires. Allowing invasive species to take hold like pine beetles.
Doesn't greenpeace like whine and cry over the amount of paper products we use? And let's not forget we have more forest here in north america, and we grow trees for pulping and lumbering just for that purpose anyway. But, considering the amount of anti-industrial, anti-progress, lets move society back in time crap that comes out of them anymore. People should just ignore them as the special interest group that they are.
Besides, the only real reason why we use plastic is because it's durable, lightweight and cheap. If we had a metal that was durable and light and cheap we'd use that too.
I have tinnitus, and can hear the whine of tubed TV's, tubed radio's(I own one), power adapters, various tube lights, and all that over top of it. I'm in my mid 30's. Actually it aggravates my tinnitus to the point where I need to put in ear plugs so the *weeeeennnneeeeeeee* doesn't get any worse.
Generally anything above what people consider "whisper quiet" I find loud. Probably has something to do with the head injury 14 years ago, but I had sensitive hearing when I was a kid, but it's only gotten more-so as I've gotten older. Though my neurologist can't find anything wrong, neither can any other specialist I've been to.
Well didn't take long for the partisan hacks to come out making nonsense and taking the belief that someone is "x" political stripe. No shock on that one, while randomly throwing out things that make no sense.
Stand up to the US huh? That's why Harper has done more to stand "up" to the US than any PM we've had in the last 25 years right? Layton would have been a terrible PM, but then again the central core of the NDP is spend, spend spend, and spend until Canada would be like Greece. I'm sure that would work out well.
Well as it stands now. To get a warrant to do a tap for a cellphone, or on a computer. You need to complete between 6 to 10 other warrants first covering the old stuff. The law is a convoluted mess. This is because there's no wording under the law for computers or cellphones. There's also no extingent circumstances clause under the law for computers or cellphones either. Or pagers, or well any electronic device. Doesn't exist. None.
Though to get a warrant for a landline, or intercept mail, or anything like that. You only need to do what you normally do. With normal provable information that would prove to a judge that a landline tap is valid and reasonable. Then give that information to a judge for the warrant. And give it to the provider/canada post/or parcel provider. Or you need to be able to prove that there are extingent circumstances, and you don't need a warrant. Extingent circumstances by the way are also called 'ticking bomb' circumstances, where someones life is in danger. And the time for a warrant is too long. This has already been in law for landlines and mail for decades and society has yet to come to a screeching halt. It also has very strong rules covering it, and any abuse of it is automatic jail time of no less than 10 years.
Canada does have serious problems with organized crime. Always has, it's actually gotten worse since the mohawk warrior bands got into smuggling drugs, guns and weapons from the US. As for kiddie diddlers? Well, they're out there. But I can't say that it's that much of a problem compared to organized crime.
The point he's making is this: In Canada your speech, media and other expressions of self are restricted. I made this same comment on the ISP-Canuck thread the other day. In Canada this has allowed heavy abuse by non-binding organizations that exist outside of the judicial system to fine people, and tie them up with legal fees for doing things like. Speaking 'unpleasant things' like being against homosexuality, or publishing the motoons, or having opinionated opinions.
The S1 provision of the charter removes fundamental freedoms, making all freedoms in Canada subject to law. So as it stands now, if I went down to the centre of my city. With giant billboards in hand, with the motoons, I'm sure I'd have the police come up. Haul me off, take my name and address. Eventually, let me go. I'd be summoned before either the CHRC(Canadian human rights counil) or the ontario version. Then spend the next 3-8 years and 100k-1m on legal fees fighting them, ending up a broken person, because I was exercising my right to show something which was already published. Because someone was "offended" by an image.
I'm guessing you're new to politics in Canada, otherwise you'd know that people here do punish political parties for the things that the left did in the last 3 elections. People were fine with a minority government actually. The NDP along with Liberals decided they wanted to be the ones in power. The previous two before the last were incremental increases in the conservatives power. The most recent was a simple sign from the electorate that they were tired of the tactics they were pulling. And punished both parties for it. This is the same reason why the Bloc suffered a crushing defeat in Quebec at the hands of the NDP.
You say you're ashamed? I'm more disappointed that you fail to understand the fundamental core in the passiveness of politics in Canada. Until political parties "rock the boat" people don't mind. The electorate will punish you for it. As for Jack? He didn't have a chance in hell. Good politician, great debater, but every province that the NDP has been control of has suffered massive debt increases at the hands of the NDP. And that would bring them crashing down in the polls.
But hey, you like to blame Harper for the G20? Let's not forget Darth Jean(Chretien), and the previous G20 escapades okay? Or is it because you're so partisan that you're glossing these over. Or the fact that he's actually choked people publicly, or that he was the most corrupt PM we ever had, along with his cabinet. They're still tracking down money that he and his cronies stole, hid, and funneled off for themselves. They couldn't hide them all away in diplomatic posts where they couldn't be recalled, or funnel it off to friends. There's a serious reason why the electorate turned on the Liberals, and it wasn't because of one thing.
What you're speaking on, are muslims living in democracies. Though the ones living under theocracies don't speak up, can't, or won't. Then again, there are plenty of them in western democracies who are turning around and trying to implement these laws in democracies and western countries too. We had a near brush with them in Canada(specifically ontario) a few years ago. The UK still is. Germany has a parallel court system, Norway and Sweden have serious problems with 'closed' zones.
You can be a happy muslim living in a democracy where those laws don't exist. But it appears that others aren't, and would be much happier dragging the rest of the world back a few hundred years.
Well I can give you the long answer or the short answer. The long answer is way, way too long. But the short answer is, because in a theocracy you have no freedom of expression or speech. And in turn the only way to keep the common people in line is by using religious law, and the fear of persecution. And when you have the chance to persecute someone for it. You do it, to throw the 'fear of god' in the rest, so they don't step out of line. And in turn, you keep control over your country, state, or whatever by the blessing of whatever religious council.
Now, remember this was the type of shit that caused the reformations in the Christian religion, from Martin Luther nailing his proclamation to the church doors to people attacking inquisitors. The difference between Christianity and Islam is, what? Bonus points if you figure it out before the next sentence. Islam believes it to be the 'pure and untainted' word of god. Therefore can not be changed in any form what so ever. So until they cross that hurdle, this won't change. Catholicism also believed this for a long old time, until the common folk rose up and tossed it away, and let's not forget the branching with the church of england, and so on.
Theology and religious history are rather interesting subjects.
Cancon made it illegal, because they couldn't simulcast. No content control, means they restricted the sales.
You know it's funny, for all the hate that people have for Fox. If you look at their stats on things like Sirius, and media stats they're more popular than any other broadcaster in Canada. By the way, I was part of the group that got Fox News in Canada, and also got the time restriction removed from CTV|Newsnet. Because whatever you belief, broadcast whatever the hell you want. If you don't like it, turn the damn channel or dispute it based on facts.
Haven't been paying attention to what the UN and environmental groups have been doing for the last 25 years? They pay 3rd world nations not to industrialize, to not build power plants. To only built low quality 'renewable' sources of energy that can't suit their needs. That's not enough. Cheap, plentiful energy is probably the biggest game changer for any society. With power you can provide easy ways to move water. With that, you can easily clean it, with that you can provide lighting and reduce crime. And give cheap, easy ways to provide long-term food storage, and refrigeration. With that you have and start to gain a stable food supply.
These are moderization basics. And on, and on, and on. As countries industrialize, their productivity increases, their living standards go up. As their living standards go up, their birth rates decrease because not as many people die from preventables(like we have in the west).
It is a good ruling. Because this whole thing, the ruling, the idea, the whole concept of 'protected content' exists to "protect" canadians from the "evil" american culture. You know, despite the fact that the majority of the population lives within 100 miles of the US. And can get FTA broadcasts. It's actually so bad here, that they simulcast stations, stripping out american channels and replace them with canadian ones. So you only see what the government(cancon) allows you to see.
For those that don't understand let's try this as an example, on channel 3(cdn) you have family guy. On channel 7(US) you have family guy. Now, they pull channel 7, and put channel 3 in it's place. So, now you have channel 3, on channel 7's place as well. Enjoy. Oh, did I mention that American satellite dishes are illegal in Canada? It's a $10k fine if you have one(theft of service). You can't get subscriptions legally here either. Though you can get around it, kind of by having a US address, it's a grey area still. There was actually a few cases a few years ago where the police were going around and seizing the equipment of people, dishes and all that.
2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms: (a) freedom of conscience and religion; (b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication; (c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and (d) freedom of association.
What does S.1 says?
1. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.
Yep, you read that right. Your fundamental rights are determined by what the government, courts, and special government bodies(like the CRTC) says they are. In other words, the charter is worth less than the paper it's written on.
No, it took another 600 years for that to happen. And further, it took until WWII for the last of it to be crushed and wiped out because the retirements joined with the Nazi's, and directly trained with them.
They already do this in parts of the US and Canada. Mostly apartment buildings, I know places here in my own town have it including various expensive condos. You can load up a card with X hydro(that's power for americans) and you pay "at the meter" rates per/KWH for whatever the market price is.
Really though, this is a feel good project, but until the various environmental groups stop repressing the third world and let them industrialize nothing will get better. Life will not improve, and in general it will continue to be a gigantic shithole.
Oddly enough you don't need to be President to destroy a restaurants reputation(or anything's reputation). Hell, you don't even need to be important. You just need to know important people, or be close enough to important people to do it. I know that whole six degrees or four degrees of separation thing is fine and dandy but it does work.
I've seen it in action on more than one occasion where businesses were blackballed by an entire community based on the word of mouth of two people who were effectively nobodies, but had friends of friends who were well known.
Oh come on. In Canada we can move a series of 45,000kg fermentation tank(120,000kg on a weekend from the ports in Hamilton to their new home in Toronto. And that's moving them down some of the busiest roadways in Canada(remember ~60% of the population of Canada lives between Windsor and Montreal). I'd say that it was more of an issue with poor timing of the installation than anything.
Some of the toughest exams I've ever taken have been open book. Mostly because they require you to understand not only the theory, but the application of the theory and law to the problem. This usually shows that both the instructor, and the student understands the course material. And that it was being taught, and understood correctly.
You're also equating the world millions of years ago to the world of today, which is naive.
Am I now. Are you sure you're not equating our brief flicker of existence in the geologic scale, to your own and our hubris? Is there any actual difference between the two.
Hardly. Paleoclimate reconstructions go back reliably for thousands of years.
Indeed. Though nearly all models at best only go back 200 years for their modeling. Some go back further, though there's some pretty questionable data from those especially when there's serious conflicting datasets. There's been no shortage of pulled data, and questioning conflicts especially when it's been shown that people have cherry picked information, or sites to make a proof.
You're confusing weather and climate. Don't do that.
I'm not confusing anything. Rather, this is the big "we're all doomed" information that's regularly pumped out to people. Remember, it's the weather of the last 30 years, at best. That's being used to drive the the it's all going to end in 20 years, or is it 5 years? And there's going to be no glaciers by 2035. Canada for instance, has only been keeping moderately accurate temperature data for 30 years across the majority of the country. Arctic data is only good for 15ish years, if you're lucky.
No one is arguing that. However, the Earth does not warm up just because it wants to.
Right. So the question is, is it? And are we the cause, and if we are then why. But if we're not, then what's the reason. Actually we're in a solar minimum right now, we just came out of a solar maximum if all the data is to be believed. Much like the hoopla of the 70's, and the last minimum.
At the best, our understanding is minimal. But environmentalists are wanting drastic change.
There's also extremely solid evidence that the climate has been much warmer today with ten times the amount of CO2 in the air, and not only was life just grand then. Life flourished, and was even more diverse then, then it is today. . So, we're going to base all of our information on 150-200 years roughly. With 20-30 years of 'goodish' data, with 5-15 years of not bad data, with 5 years of okay data. That the earth is warming. Not forgetting that, it's been so much warmer when humans weren't even involved.
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It's to stop him being able to carry out valuable research, or contact people who could aid in his defence.
In other words, it's to make it harder for him to build a defence now they've stitched him up.
So does this mean New Zealand doesn't have full disclosure laws like Canada does? Remind me not to go there. For those that don't know in Canada, when you're accused of something, you get a thing called full disclosure. Showing all of the evidence against you, and I do mean all. Every single bit, right down to how they did what they did, and when they started doing it.
Remind me not to go to New Zealand...ever.
Remember the next time that someone says that the US Constitution is a "living breathing document" open to interpretation, that this is the type of abuse that it leads to.
There were reports in europe about airport screeners doing the same thing not only to women, but to religious minorities. In turn people are corrupt, and when you take people who get 4 hours of training(give or take a little bit), and give them any type of authority. Bad things happen, like abuse of power.
If I remember right. 40% of north america was still in an moderate to heavy ice age period when "man landed here" so really the only increase you're going to see in forest is up. Then again, living in Canada and all that we've been doing this for nearly 100 years without too much of a problem. And again, the only places where forests are degrading is where we've stopped natural burn and clear cycles from happening from forest fires. Allowing invasive species to take hold like pine beetles.
Doesn't greenpeace like whine and cry over the amount of paper products we use? And let's not forget we have more forest here in north america, and we grow trees for pulping and lumbering just for that purpose anyway. But, considering the amount of anti-industrial, anti-progress, lets move society back in time crap that comes out of them anymore. People should just ignore them as the special interest group that they are.
Besides, the only real reason why we use plastic is because it's durable, lightweight and cheap. If we had a metal that was durable and light and cheap we'd use that too.
I have tinnitus, and can hear the whine of tubed TV's, tubed radio's(I own one), power adapters, various tube lights, and all that over top of it. I'm in my mid 30's. Actually it aggravates my tinnitus to the point where I need to put in ear plugs so the *weeeeennnneeeeeeee* doesn't get any worse.
Generally anything above what people consider "whisper quiet" I find loud. Probably has something to do with the head injury 14 years ago, but I had sensitive hearing when I was a kid, but it's only gotten more-so as I've gotten older. Though my neurologist can't find anything wrong, neither can any other specialist I've been to.
Well didn't take long for the partisan hacks to come out making nonsense and taking the belief that someone is "x" political stripe. No shock on that one, while randomly throwing out things that make no sense.
Stand up to the US huh? That's why Harper has done more to stand "up" to the US than any PM we've had in the last 25 years right? Layton would have been a terrible PM, but then again the central core of the NDP is spend, spend spend, and spend until Canada would be like Greece. I'm sure that would work out well.
That's why he along with the RCMP were required to pay him right? You might want to look into the event a bit closer.
Well as it stands now. To get a warrant to do a tap for a cellphone, or on a computer. You need to complete between 6 to 10 other warrants first covering the old stuff. The law is a convoluted mess. This is because there's no wording under the law for computers or cellphones. There's also no extingent circumstances clause under the law for computers or cellphones either. Or pagers, or well any electronic device. Doesn't exist. None.
Though to get a warrant for a landline, or intercept mail, or anything like that. You only need to do what you normally do. With normal provable information that would prove to a judge that a landline tap is valid and reasonable. Then give that information to a judge for the warrant. And give it to the provider/canada post/or parcel provider. Or you need to be able to prove that there are extingent circumstances, and you don't need a warrant. Extingent circumstances by the way are also called 'ticking bomb' circumstances, where someones life is in danger. And the time for a warrant is too long. This has already been in law for landlines and mail for decades and society has yet to come to a screeching halt. It also has very strong rules covering it, and any abuse of it is automatic jail time of no less than 10 years.
Canada does have serious problems with organized crime. Always has, it's actually gotten worse since the mohawk warrior bands got into smuggling drugs, guns and weapons from the US. As for kiddie diddlers? Well, they're out there. But I can't say that it's that much of a problem compared to organized crime.
The point he's making is this: In Canada your speech, media and other expressions of self are restricted. I made this same comment on the ISP-Canuck thread the other day. In Canada this has allowed heavy abuse by non-binding organizations that exist outside of the judicial system to fine people, and tie them up with legal fees for doing things like. Speaking 'unpleasant things' like being against homosexuality, or publishing the motoons, or having opinionated opinions.
The S1 provision of the charter removes fundamental freedoms, making all freedoms in Canada subject to law. So as it stands now, if I went down to the centre of my city. With giant billboards in hand, with the motoons, I'm sure I'd have the police come up. Haul me off, take my name and address. Eventually, let me go. I'd be summoned before either the CHRC(Canadian human rights counil) or the ontario version. Then spend the next 3-8 years and 100k-1m on legal fees fighting them, ending up a broken person, because I was exercising my right to show something which was already published. Because someone was "offended" by an image.
I'm guessing you're new to politics in Canada, otherwise you'd know that people here do punish political parties for the things that the left did in the last 3 elections. People were fine with a minority government actually. The NDP along with Liberals decided they wanted to be the ones in power. The previous two before the last were incremental increases in the conservatives power. The most recent was a simple sign from the electorate that they were tired of the tactics they were pulling. And punished both parties for it. This is the same reason why the Bloc suffered a crushing defeat in Quebec at the hands of the NDP.
You say you're ashamed? I'm more disappointed that you fail to understand the fundamental core in the passiveness of politics in Canada. Until political parties "rock the boat" people don't mind. The electorate will punish you for it. As for Jack? He didn't have a chance in hell. Good politician, great debater, but every province that the NDP has been control of has suffered massive debt increases at the hands of the NDP. And that would bring them crashing down in the polls.
But hey, you like to blame Harper for the G20? Let's not forget Darth Jean(Chretien), and the previous G20 escapades okay? Or is it because you're so partisan that you're glossing these over. Or the fact that he's actually choked people publicly, or that he was the most corrupt PM we ever had, along with his cabinet. They're still tracking down money that he and his cronies stole, hid, and funneled off for themselves. They couldn't hide them all away in diplomatic posts where they couldn't be recalled, or funnel it off to friends. There's a serious reason why the electorate turned on the Liberals, and it wasn't because of one thing.
What you're speaking on, are muslims living in democracies. Though the ones living under theocracies don't speak up, can't, or won't. Then again, there are plenty of them in western democracies who are turning around and trying to implement these laws in democracies and western countries too. We had a near brush with them in Canada(specifically ontario) a few years ago. The UK still is. Germany has a parallel court system, Norway and Sweden have serious problems with 'closed' zones.
You can be a happy muslim living in a democracy where those laws don't exist. But it appears that others aren't, and would be much happier dragging the rest of the world back a few hundred years.
Well I can give you the long answer or the short answer. The long answer is way, way too long. But the short answer is, because in a theocracy you have no freedom of expression or speech. And in turn the only way to keep the common people in line is by using religious law, and the fear of persecution. And when you have the chance to persecute someone for it. You do it, to throw the 'fear of god' in the rest, so they don't step out of line. And in turn, you keep control over your country, state, or whatever by the blessing of whatever religious council.
Now, remember this was the type of shit that caused the reformations in the Christian religion, from Martin Luther nailing his proclamation to the church doors to people attacking inquisitors. The difference between Christianity and Islam is, what? Bonus points if you figure it out before the next sentence. Islam believes it to be the 'pure and untainted' word of god. Therefore can not be changed in any form what so ever. So until they cross that hurdle, this won't change. Catholicism also believed this for a long old time, until the common folk rose up and tossed it away, and let's not forget the branching with the church of england, and so on.
Theology and religious history are rather interesting subjects.
America doesn't want to stop buying oil from them. Ask us in Canada, we tried. So we're selling it to China instead.
Cancon made it illegal, because they couldn't simulcast. No content control, means they restricted the sales.
You know it's funny, for all the hate that people have for Fox. If you look at their stats on things like Sirius, and media stats they're more popular than any other broadcaster in Canada. By the way, I was part of the group that got Fox News in Canada, and also got the time restriction removed from CTV|Newsnet. Because whatever you belief, broadcast whatever the hell you want. If you don't like it, turn the damn channel or dispute it based on facts.
Haven't been paying attention to what the UN and environmental groups have been doing for the last 25 years? They pay 3rd world nations not to industrialize, to not build power plants. To only built low quality 'renewable' sources of energy that can't suit their needs. That's not enough. Cheap, plentiful energy is probably the biggest game changer for any society. With power you can provide easy ways to move water. With that, you can easily clean it, with that you can provide lighting and reduce crime. And give cheap, easy ways to provide long-term food storage, and refrigeration. With that you have and start to gain a stable food supply.
These are moderization basics. And on, and on, and on. As countries industrialize, their productivity increases, their living standards go up. As their living standards go up, their birth rates decrease because not as many people die from preventables(like we have in the west).
It is a good ruling. Because this whole thing, the ruling, the idea, the whole concept of 'protected content' exists to "protect" canadians from the "evil" american culture. You know, despite the fact that the majority of the population lives within 100 miles of the US. And can get FTA broadcasts. It's actually so bad here, that they simulcast stations, stripping out american channels and replace them with canadian ones. So you only see what the government(cancon) allows you to see.
For those that don't understand let's try this as an example, on channel 3(cdn) you have family guy. On channel 7(US) you have family guy. Now, they pull channel 7, and put channel 3 in it's place. So, now you have channel 3, on channel 7's place as well. Enjoy. Oh, did I mention that American satellite dishes are illegal in Canada? It's a $10k fine if you have one(theft of service). You can't get subscriptions legally here either. Though you can get around it, kind of by having a US address, it's a grey area still. There was actually a few cases a few years ago where the police were going around and seizing the equipment of people, dishes and all that.
Oh Canada, land of the free and all that right? Remember, what S.2 of our charter of rights and freedoms says:
Fundamental freedoms
2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
(a) freedom of conscience and religion;
(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
(d) freedom of association.
What does S.1 says?
1. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.
Yep, you read that right. Your fundamental rights are determined by what the government, courts, and special government bodies(like the CRTC) says they are. In other words, the charter is worth less than the paper it's written on.
No, it took another 600 years for that to happen. And further, it took until WWII for the last of it to be crushed and wiped out because the retirements joined with the Nazi's, and directly trained with them.
They already do this in parts of the US and Canada. Mostly apartment buildings, I know places here in my own town have it including various expensive condos. You can load up a card with X hydro(that's power for americans) and you pay "at the meter" rates per/KWH for whatever the market price is.
Really though, this is a feel good project, but until the various environmental groups stop repressing the third world and let them industrialize nothing will get better. Life will not improve, and in general it will continue to be a gigantic shithole.
Oddly enough you don't need to be President to destroy a restaurants reputation(or anything's reputation). Hell, you don't even need to be important. You just need to know important people, or be close enough to important people to do it. I know that whole six degrees or four degrees of separation thing is fine and dandy but it does work.
I've seen it in action on more than one occasion where businesses were blackballed by an entire community based on the word of mouth of two people who were effectively nobodies, but had friends of friends who were well known.
Oh come on. In Canada we can move a series of 45,000kg fermentation tank(120,000kg on a weekend from the ports in Hamilton to their new home in Toronto. And that's moving them down some of the busiest roadways in Canada(remember ~60% of the population of Canada lives between Windsor and Montreal). I'd say that it was more of an issue with poor timing of the installation than anything.
Some of the toughest exams I've ever taken have been open book. Mostly because they require you to understand not only the theory, but the application of the theory and law to the problem. This usually shows that both the instructor, and the student understands the course material. And that it was being taught, and understood correctly.
You're also equating the world millions of years ago to the world of today, which is naive.
Am I now. Are you sure you're not equating our brief flicker of existence in the geologic scale, to your own and our hubris? Is there any actual difference between the two.
Hardly. Paleoclimate reconstructions go back reliably for thousands of years.
Indeed. Though nearly all models at best only go back 200 years for their modeling. Some go back further, though there's some pretty questionable data from those especially when there's serious conflicting datasets. There's been no shortage of pulled data, and questioning conflicts especially when it's been shown that people have cherry picked information, or sites to make a proof.
You're confusing weather and climate. Don't do that.
I'm not confusing anything. Rather, this is the big "we're all doomed" information that's regularly pumped out to people. Remember, it's the weather of the last 30 years, at best. That's being used to drive the the it's all going to end in 20 years, or is it 5 years? And there's going to be no glaciers by 2035. Canada for instance, has only been keeping moderately accurate temperature data for 30 years across the majority of the country. Arctic data is only good for 15ish years, if you're lucky.
No one is arguing that. However, the Earth does not warm up just because it wants to.
Right. So the question is, is it? And are we the cause, and if we are then why. But if we're not, then what's the reason. Actually we're in a solar minimum right now, we just came out of a solar maximum if all the data is to be believed. Much like the hoopla of the 70's, and the last minimum.
At the best, our understanding is minimal. But environmentalists are wanting drastic change.
Heresy against doctrine. Prepare to be modded into oblivion. The groupthink on /. won't allow you to go against the church of global warming.
There's also extremely solid evidence that the climate has been much warmer today with ten times the amount of CO2 in the air, and not only was life just grand then. Life flourished, and was even more diverse then, then it is today. . So, we're going to base all of our information on 150-200 years roughly. With 20-30 years of 'goodish' data, with 5-15 years of not bad data, with 5 years of okay data. That the earth is warming. Not forgetting that, it's been so much warmer when humans weren't even involved.
Beh.