Art as in how deeply it moves people, and how deeply it moved them in a particular era. That's why I think DOOM II is on the mark for instance.
If someone very skilled made a painting today that's similar to Mona Lisa but with better technique, it still wouldn't be better art. (In the quantitative sense -- I've seen paintings that moved me more than Mona Lisa but what counts is x . Does quantifying art this way makes sense? IMO it doesn't, but it's fun.)
There's a lot of people who enjoy something because they think it's cool. Or rather, they *convince* themselves they are enjoying it, but if it doesn't have value beyond the social/groupthink, deep down it's really nagging them. The article is speaking to such people.
If someone genuinely enjoys 3D and would watch it even if the entire world suddenly said it's crap, then more power to them.
Still in this product-saturated world it won't do them much good unless the review says "this is f*cking awesome!!!" And that kind of enthusiasm can't be bought.
But a paid review may convince investors to put in some more, so... why not.
One analyst said he's not sure there is a market for tablets. When asked about all the iPads, he said oh of course there is an iPad market, but I'm not sure there is a *tablet* market.
If that's true, and people want something that Jobs cooked up and not a generic keyboardless semi-retarded computer, Microsoft is right to stay out of the fray. If anything, their previous efforts show the analyst may be right.
Ha ha! You are wrong on so many levels. First, with $50bn you would become a very different person. Second, your "close" friends would never be content with how much you gave them, not to mention how they would fight to be "close" or how they would change in relation with you. And finally, if you really did make sure they had enough money not to ever work again, that would be about the fastest way to fuck up their lives. So you didn't get a single thing right.
This is well said. Some famous Christian philosophers like Thomas Aquinas had this hacker mentality, as did influential Buddhists (perhaps the prime example being the Buddha himself -- his work is seen as relentless pursuit to get around the percieved limitations of the mind; if that's not hacking, I don't know what is.)
In fact it could be that in every field successful people have what we call here hacker mentality.
I guess the subtlety of the remark was lost on you. But that doesnt matter, the point is, if BestBuy iPad sales are lot less compared to Apple stores, by some meaningful normalized metric, then there is something to the FA's claim.
How well do iPads sell in BestBuy? I'd search this page for it as someone else probably raised the same question, except I'm reading this on the iPad and its browser doesn't have search. Crap.
Thank you! I thought I was going crazy seeing how so many people even *here* think it's cool, and these are people who are used to creating value. If I ever wanted to see a concept fail, it's this one.
You're missing the point. The question is why people seek images of horror. Best answer I've heard so far: because after having their senses shocked by a horror movie, their real world feels more vivid. They feel awakened and *alive*.
By contrast, people whose lives are already filled with vividness and intensity rarely watch horror movies. Imagine real-life James Bond coming home after a day of dealing with bad guys and turning on a horror flick. Doesn't make any sense.
It's interesting that you seem angry about it. Since I doubt you have been burned or scammed by homeopathy, or had any contact with it all, I would guess it's the worldview that bothers you. Same as how Christians are upset about Muslims or vice versa.
This is why you're wrong: a successful product is almost never the same as the original idea. Rather, the original idea got tweaked and refined, often heavily, and itteratively, from feedback that came through proper execution.
And if the execution is a hack, and it often may be, it's usually a damn good hack.
Best post on this topic. There's things that will have to be done in space -- command centers? special labs? huge solar panel systems? -- with more and more people servicing orbital stations, and this is the only way to learn. It's more than rocket science, it's understanding how people think and behave in those unnatural circumstances.
Remember the astronaut who "dropped" her toolbag and let it float away? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_F2Ixn8loc Just that incident may get them to make such bags easier to attach to the spacesuit, and that can make a big difference for someone some day.
I was thinking the same, but look at the video of the interview on the TFA page and look closely at their faces. Balmer seems defeated. His posture is slumped, he mostly says Win Phone is "different," and you can see contempt in the bitchy reporter's face -- when she talks about her experience with Win Phone, when she mentions Bing, when she barks at him telling him "Explain this" and so on. And all the while he only tries to be attentive, smiling, and upbeat. Even the article ridicules him as struggling with the "vision thing."
That's not a sign of a company doing well. But I think it's just a phase, and that they will eventually reposition themselves not as a consumer brand, but as a company that enables you to get things done.
... when Tina the Tech Writer wants to get better pay and tells Alice, "Alice, teach me how to be an engineer. I don't care if it takes all day." And then adds greedily (as Alice is gritting her teeth), "but let's keep quiet about this. I don't want others to get in on this scam."
But he might have gotten the inspiration when he wasn't sober.
Why was he taking drugs in the first place? There was some tension in him that got him to do that. That tension, modified by drugs, created experiences and emotions that led him to express it through music. Quite possibly, no tension -> no drugs -> no music.
That said, I agree that the *craft* of expressing music into sound and notes had to be undertaken while sober.
Using AI for utility is one thing, but using AI for art (and entertainment) can only work for so many minutes. The moment the AI character does something so disconnected that only a computer would do, and it usually happens quite soon, the whole house of cards falls down and the illusion is gone permanently.
Arcade games have plenty of other action to show so it's OK when AI sucks, but a game built completely around AI will crash the hardest.
-------------- Michael Crichton's experience with Eliza, from "Electronic Life" (1983) -------------
HELLO THERE, I'M ELIZA. HOW ARE YOU FEELING?
I'm tired today.
WHY ARE YOU TIRED TODAY?
From working on my book.
HMMM... TELL ME MORE.
The book's about computers.
YOU THINK COMPUTERS CAUSE PROBLEMS FOR YOU?
Trying to explain that computers are stupid machines.
ARE YOU REFERRING TO ME?
Yes. You.
LET'S GET BACK TO YOUR PROBLEM...
Okay. Fine. Tell me my problem.
THERE ARE NO EASY ANSWERS TO YOUR PROBLEM.
You always say things like that.
HOW DOES THAT MAKE YOU FEEL?
I feel you don't care.
INTERESTING... CAN YOU ELABORATE ON SUCH FEELINGS?
Computers are just machines.
OH I THINK YOU KNOW BETTER THAN THAT.
Well, you aren't a human being, kiddo.
WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I AMENT A HUMAN BEING KIDDO?
I rest my case.
DO YOU FEEL IT SOLVES ANYTHING TO REST YOUR CASE?
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Art as in how deeply it moves people, and how deeply it moved them in a particular era. That's why I think DOOM II is on the mark for instance.
If someone very skilled made a painting today that's similar to Mona Lisa but with better technique, it still wouldn't be better art. (In the quantitative sense -- I've seen paintings that moved me more than Mona Lisa but what counts is x . Does quantifying art this way makes sense? IMO it doesn't, but it's fun.)
There's a lot of people who enjoy something because they think it's cool. Or rather, they *convince* themselves they are enjoying it, but if it doesn't have value beyond the social/groupthink, deep down it's really nagging them. The article is speaking to such people.
If someone genuinely enjoys 3D and would watch it even if the entire world suddenly said it's crap, then more power to them.
Still in this product-saturated world it won't do them much good unless the review says "this is f*cking awesome!!!" And that kind of enthusiasm can't be bought.
But a paid review may convince investors to put in some more, so... why not.
One analyst said he's not sure there is a market for tablets. When asked about all the iPads, he said oh of course there is an iPad market, but I'm not sure there is a *tablet* market.
If that's true, and people want something that Jobs cooked up and not a generic keyboardless semi-retarded computer, Microsoft is right to stay out of the fray. If anything, their previous efforts show the analyst may be right.
Ha ha! You are wrong on so many levels. First, with $50bn you would become a very different person. Second, your "close" friends would never be content with how much you gave them, not to mention how they would fight to be "close" or how they would change in relation with you. And finally, if you really did make sure they had enough money not to ever work again, that would be about the fastest way to fuck up their lives. So you didn't get a single thing right.
http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1999-06-12/
This is well said. Some famous Christian philosophers like Thomas Aquinas had this hacker mentality, as did influential Buddhists (perhaps the prime example being the Buddha himself -- his work is seen as relentless pursuit to get around the percieved limitations of the mind; if that's not hacking, I don't know what is.)
In fact it could be that in every field successful people have what we call here hacker mentality.
I guess the subtlety of the remark was lost on you. But that doesnt matter, the point is, if BestBuy iPad sales are lot less compared to Apple stores, by some meaningful normalized metric, then there is something to the FA's claim.
How well do iPads sell in BestBuy? I'd search this page for it as someone else probably raised the same question, except I'm reading this on the iPad and its browser doesn't have search. Crap.
It's a "library" if you call it from main(). It's a "framework" if main() calls you.
I hate frameworks.
Thank you! I thought I was going crazy seeing how so many people even *here* think it's cool, and these are people who are used to creating value. If I ever wanted to see a concept fail, it's this one.
You're missing the point. The question is why people seek images of horror. Best answer I've heard so far: because after having their senses shocked by a horror movie, their real world feels more vivid. They feel awakened and *alive*.
By contrast, people whose lives are already filled with vividness and intensity rarely watch horror movies. Imagine real-life James Bond coming home after a day of dealing with bad guys and turning on a horror flick. Doesn't make any sense.
http://www.theonion.com/video/breaking-news-all-online-data-lost-after-internet,14148/
"An emergency meeting of Internet power players has been arranged. The group includes Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, and Craig of Craigslist."
It's interesting that you seem angry about it. Since I doubt you have been burned or scammed by homeopathy, or had any contact with it all, I would guess it's the worldview that bothers you. Same as how Christians are upset about Muslims or vice versa.
This is why you're wrong: a successful product is almost never the same as the original idea. Rather, the original idea got tweaked and refined, often heavily, and itteratively, from feedback that came through proper execution.
And if the execution is a hack, and it often may be, it's usually a damn good hack.
Best post on this topic. There's things that will have to be done in space -- command centers? special labs? huge solar panel systems? -- with more and more people servicing orbital stations, and this is the only way to learn. It's more than rocket science, it's understanding how people think and behave in those unnatural circumstances.
Remember the astronaut who "dropped" her toolbag and let it float away? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_F2Ixn8loc
Just that incident may get them to make such bags easier to attach to the spacesuit, and that can make a big difference for someone some day.
I was thinking the same, but look at the video of the interview on the TFA page and look closely at their faces. Balmer seems defeated. His posture is slumped, he mostly says Win Phone is "different," and you can see contempt in the bitchy reporter's face -- when she talks about her experience with Win Phone, when she mentions Bing, when she barks at him telling him "Explain this" and so on. And all the while he only tries to be attentive, smiling, and upbeat. Even the article ridicules him as struggling with the "vision thing."
That's not a sign of a company doing well. But I think it's just a phase, and that they will eventually reposition themselves not as a consumer brand, but as a company that enables you to get things done.
... when Tina the Tech Writer wants to get better pay and tells Alice, "Alice, teach me how to be an engineer. I don't care if it takes all day." And then adds greedily (as Alice is gritting her teeth), "but let's keep quiet about this. I don't want others to get in on this scam."
But he might have gotten the inspiration when he wasn't sober.
Why was he taking drugs in the first place? There was some tension in him that got him to do that. That tension, modified by drugs, created experiences and emotions that led him to express it through music. Quite possibly, no tension -> no drugs -> no music.
That said, I agree that the *craft* of expressing music into sound and notes had to be undertaken while sober.
Using AI for utility is one thing, but using AI for art (and entertainment) can only work for so many minutes. The moment the AI character does something so disconnected that only a computer would do, and it usually happens quite soon, the whole house of cards falls down and the illusion is gone permanently.
Arcade games have plenty of other action to show so it's OK when AI sucks, but a game built completely around AI will crash the hardest.
-------------- Michael Crichton's experience with Eliza, from "Electronic Life" (1983) -------------
HELLO THERE, I'M ELIZA. HOW ARE YOU FEELING?
I'm tired today.
WHY ARE YOU TIRED TODAY?
From working on my book.
HMMM... TELL ME MORE.
The book's about computers.
YOU THINK COMPUTERS CAUSE PROBLEMS FOR YOU?
Trying to explain that computers are stupid machines.
ARE YOU REFERRING TO ME?
Yes. You.
LET'S GET BACK TO YOUR PROBLEM...
Okay. Fine. Tell me my problem.
THERE ARE NO EASY ANSWERS TO YOUR PROBLEM.
You always say things like that.
HOW DOES THAT MAKE YOU FEEL?
I feel you don't care.
INTERESTING... CAN YOU ELABORATE ON SUCH FEELINGS?
Computers are just machines.
OH I THINK YOU KNOW BETTER THAN THAT.
Well, you aren't a human being, kiddo.
WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I AMENT A HUMAN BEING KIDDO?
I rest my case.
DO YOU FEEL IT SOLVES ANYTHING TO REST YOUR CASE?