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That disn't happen in my country. While there was a Communist Party, probably helped by the USSR, they didn't have an important role. While they had some armed people, the aremed faction was too small (tens of people in the armed branch, thousands of people affiliated, maybe). Right now they are finding tortured There was a small independent guerrilla group (MLN-Tupamaros) that wanted something like a full scale revolution. They were all jailed by 1972, and after that, the military, with support from the US in fighting the "communist" threat (again, the CP didn't play a role here) started a regime that lasted 12 years, fighting against a phantom enemy, and holding hostage the population . Some of the remains of the people they were after were found last week: http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N29267213 .htm (in the article they talk about a 12-year fight aganst Tupamaros, but when they started the "fight", all tumpamaros were already in jail).
What I was trying to tell you is that my country, and I know many others in South America too, have been financially destroyed by US communism fears, that helped stupid dictators acheive power, and scammed them into getting loans we can't pay right now.
So, I am ok with not getting more financial aid from the US. It has proved too costly for us to deal with the US. But that doesn't mean that the US doesn't have anything to do with our problems. They are one of the most important causes.
In short: no, we don't want your aid, and yes, it's your fault, too.
Of course. But that's another deal. One thing is understanding the motivation behind the devlopment of an idea, and another is finding practical uses. The OP asked WHY, and said that the wheel was the simplest approach. What I say is that maybe the wheel is not the simplest approach in every case. IF this did work, it might have applications in places with different physics involved than your average road. The motivation of resaerching is that if you don't challenge the simplest designs you know, you will never find simpler ways to do stuff.
If your question is: WHY you cant find the motivation behind this? Then the answer is: because you are not an engineer, or an engineering-oriented person. Don't worry about that. It's just not for you.
Sorry, I fcked up, In the original, "invented" was between quotes, with reference to Al Gore, but anyway, they funded most of the original development. I was making the case that it doesn't matter who made it, what matters is the strategic importance for everyone involved.
What you say doesn't make any sense. Internet is a great tool. It's used for very critical applications all over the world. Of course, the US invented it. It's not about national pride. It's about control and lack of trust. The international community knows that the US is among those countries that can't be trusted to play nice with others. A UN-governed Internet would be a lesser risk to everyone involved. With the current state of affairs, the US does actually control the internet. I believe it only makes sense for the international community to take care of their affairs, and take some control away from the US. Of course, people from the US don't understand why it's a bad thing that the US runs everyone else's DNS roots. Really think about it: would you accept such a thing if it was controlled by the EU? take into account that a big part of your bussiness relies on the internet. It might no look like such a good decision.
The dictatorship ended 20 years ago. When it started, they were helped by the US. The US didn't choose to work with the dictator. They chose to work with the military, to keep a democratic government from ruling our country. All that our of fear of communism. Right now, the political party they were afraid of is in government, and although they just started, they have shown much more responsibility that the ones the US was not afraid of. The problem, for me, is : why did my country have to live under a dictatorship rule, for 13 years, just because the US was afraid of "communism"?? And why do my grandchildren have billions of dollars in debt (good thing the US dollar is sky-diving here) , just because the US though it would be nice to make bussiness with the ignorant military rulers they helped impose? Well, actually, I don't care why. I just want that they just keep out of here, and if they have help for us in the form of money or whatever, that they keep it for themselves, because it's too much cost for us. About your college kids analogy, it's more like funding a teenage boy's sports club presidential campaign, and then using him to sign loans for the club. Of course, the club will get fucked, but the guy with the money is the main responsible.
I don't want the Us to do anything. I don't want them to spend money on me, and I don't want them to take money from me. My country, Uruguay, owes the US a big lot of money. I just want us to take other loans, to pay that debt, so we can be independent from the US. Our government is now making the deals needed for that.
Money we borrowed from the US has given them the power to guide our government. We are taking the steps to get free from that. Lots of stuff that happened in South America is the direct (not indirect) result of US-backed dictatorships, and governments following their imposed guidelines. Although I think the US is to blame for the situation in South America, I agree with you that the US doesn't have to fix anything, they just need to keep the hell out of here, and stop messing with our lifes. We have the natural resources (food, energy, minerals), we have the people, we have the markets we need, we even have lots of knowledge and expertise. We don't need anything from the US. Although we do need investment money, borrowing money from the US is such a bad deal, we are much better without it. There are lots of capitals out there that don't want to rule your country in exchange, and we can make deals with them.
In any case, Java is Open Enough. It's not free enough, because it only grants you freedom 0 and freedom 1, the freedom to use it, and to see how it works and improve it.
It still takes away from the user the freedom to help other by sharing the software, and the freedo to share his improvements to the software with a community. Even though there's the Java community whatever, that takes some pointers by consumers, it's a limited community in its power.
For people who care about "openness", Java is Open Enough. It is great at interoperability, and you can even look at its sourcecode, and licenses are very bussiness friendly.
For people who care about freedom in software, no, Java is not Free Enough. A short description of freedom in software, from the POV of the user: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
NetBeans has RAD tools for Java software. WebSphere, too. For standalone, and for WEB-based apps.
You can say what you want about java being inadequate, but it's the way to make cross-platform apps, and it works. I don't like standalone apps, I develop web apps, with some ajax-stye interaction, because of ease of deployment, but I honestly believe that java is the way to go if you want cross platform apps. With SWT and GCJ, you can even build native graphical.EXE's for Win. Plus you have the best developer environments available, netbeans and eclipse/websphere.
Hey! guy with big paws! I have big paws too, and I have no problem with tiny mice. You just need to rest the lower palm on the desktop, and move the mouse with your thumb and pinky. I find I can use the mouse at a 1400x1050 resolution easily, without actually moving my hand. That way, you make a movement similar to typing , where you don't need to move your arms. Maybe, just maybe, big hands and tiny mice can get along well.
1. True 2. Not enough, for high values of proprietary-ness, such as the case we are talking about, where the guy wants to distribute binaries that run by themselves.
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I'll use this to bitch about moderation.
I _do_ have karma to burn, but I really hate to see a +1, Funny , and then a -1, Overrated. Nobody cares that you think something is not funny. Punishing people who get Funny ratings (This combination is a -1 karma penalty), even if they are not fun to you, ruins my experience. I like silly comments, it's one of the things I come to slashdot for. There's no need to punish people, and waste moderation on them, just because they are not as serious as you would like./rant
1 - Statically Link everything 2 - Realize you are linking GPLed or LGPLed libraries. Who will notice? They will. 3 - Remove GPL and LGPL libraries. 4 - Look for proprietary-friendly libraries. 5.a - Develop for.NET. Be sure you charge enough for support. 5.b - Cave in after finding you can't afford it, or you can't find what you want, and GPL your own code. Keep the artwork proprietary. Try to raise money to "liberate" your game. 5.c - Pay for libraries. Distribute your games. Be happy.
(-1, Redundant) I just said exactly that, that _some_ people don't follow trends, but that _they_ are the weird ones.
Thinking it through... by your nickname, you seem Australian. I don't think I'm talking to you after what happened last week. They made Chengue cry. That's too bad. Bad Australians.
You didn't think it through. A cellphone is a way of communicating. It is a fashion accesory, too. Just like the swiss-army knife wore coming out of the back pocket. Or a purse. Or a digital camera pouch. People buy cellphones because of teir color, or looks, _and_ its features, just like cars. And that's much more than 2.5 dollars. Paying 2.5 dolars more, just because you want to make a statement with your cellphone _sound_, too, doesn't look stupid, if you accept all the other fashion/looks related purchases. Of course,_I_ wouldn't pay 2.5 dollars for a rngtone, but _I_ wouldn't buy a cellphone based on looks, either. But I understand a bit about people, and I know that doing _that_, is normal and coherent with common behaviour, and _I_ am the weird one.
Stallman _is_ the great person behind free software. the BSDs are good, but they aren't as good at building a community sense. The GPL is great at giving developers a way to share their software, but keeping a leverage against badly behaved distributors.
It's not about source. It's about licenses. And you should read one of those EULAs before saying that they don't restrict your freedom. And read copyright law, too. Probably, you don't have the right to backup your computer, and soon, copyright breaches will be punishable by jailtime. With new US law, software licenses will have the power to even restrict you physical freedom, if you end up doing stuff you software provider doesn't like.
No matter what OSS zealots might like to believe, GPL != "Freedom".
Remember that RMS *doesn't* really believe in less restrictive licenses like the BSDL, he tolerates them.
You are either a troll, or an ignorant fool. In case it't the last one, I'll tell you: there are not that many "OSS zealots". People that are highly pòlitical about the software licenses issue often get their politics from the FSF. You might call them (us) "free software zealots". The whole political thing is about free software, and free software is about freedom.
Of course that the GPL does not equal "Freedom". Absolute freedom does not exist. The GPL takes freedom away from the distributors, and gives it to the users. When you distribute GPL software, you lose the freedom not to share the sources, and the freedom to restrict the receivers. With that restrictions, the user of the software is assured the freedom to use it, improve it, to share it, and to share the improvements he makes.
The BSD license gives the first user that downloads the software all of that freedom, but doesn't care about the next one. You, as a distributor, have the freedom to restrict other users. Then, they could get non-free software that resticts their freedom, from an originally BSD-licensed project. e.g.: some microsoft software in the past had that kind of issue.
He wants everyone to use the GPL, because he believes in the GPL style, take care care for the users freedom, restrict the distributors if it's necessary. I believe it's good, too.
Well... I am a geek, and while I don't like coke, I'm totally ok with tits, and hookers. You can replace coke with champagne, and the hookers for some girls you met on a bar or something, and that's an almost unbeatable saturday (or tuesday) night. The lifestyle of going to bars, getting hammered, and having sex with random girls (mostly non-paid but even girls that charge money can be fun, and more fun if you can get a freebie) looks much more fun than what you suggest, for lots of geek friends I have. I do enjoy talking to girls, but they are not usually the ones I want to go to bed with. Well, who am I kidding? Although I _did_ like that kind of stuff, I chose other way long ago, and I kept just one girl. But it's just because I like her too much, not because I didn't like the other stuff!!
If you redistribute it, yes, of course. That's what the law says. Of course, as copyright infringement is not such a big deal when you do it without a profit, it wouldn't be a big deal anyway.
I don't like copyrights myself, but that's the kind of laws there are, and that's what they mean. At least, it would be good for promoters of that kind of laws get bitten in the ass, too, for a change.
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If you have issues with this submitter, maybe you can help give him the full slashdot experience.
As far as I know, bandwidth costs money.
If he posts a link, he wants us to click the link, so we should do it, as many times as we need in order to see what's in there, and see what happens in the next submissions.
But what happens if I train my spam filter with slashdot posts?
Now it will flag mails with "v14gr4" in them as legitimate, you insensitive clod.
That disn't happen in my country.3 .htm (in the article they talk about a 12-year fight aganst Tupamaros, but when they started the "fight", all tumpamaros were already in jail).
While there was a Communist Party, probably helped by the USSR, they didn't have an important role. While they had some armed people, the aremed faction was too small (tens of people in the armed branch, thousands of people affiliated, maybe). Right now they are finding tortured
There was a small independent guerrilla group (MLN-Tupamaros) that wanted something like a full scale revolution. They were all jailed by 1972, and after that, the military, with support from the US in fighting the "communist" threat (again, the CP didn't play a role here) started a regime that lasted 12 years, fighting against a phantom enemy, and holding hostage the population . Some of the remains of the people they were after were found last week: http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N2926721
What I was trying to tell you is that my country, and I know many others in South America too, have been financially destroyed by US communism fears, that helped stupid dictators acheive power, and scammed them into getting loans we can't pay right now.
So, I am ok with not getting more financial aid from the US. It has proved too costly for us to deal with the US. But that doesn't mean that the US doesn't have anything to do with our problems. They are one of the most important causes.
In short: no, we don't want your aid, and yes, it's your fault, too.
Of course.
But that's another deal.
One thing is understanding the motivation behind the devlopment of an idea, and another is finding practical uses. The OP asked WHY, and said that the wheel was the simplest approach.
What I say is that maybe the wheel is not the simplest approach in every case. IF this did work, it might have applications in places with different physics involved than your average road. The motivation of resaerching is that if you don't challenge the simplest designs you know, you will never find simpler ways to do stuff.
And going against your principles is too high a cost.
If your question is: WHY you cant find the motivation behind this?
Then the answer is: because you are not an engineer, or an engineering-oriented person. Don't worry about that. It's just not for you.
Sorry, I fcked up, In the original, "invented" was between quotes, with reference to Al Gore, but anyway, they funded most of the original development. I was making the case that it doesn't matter who made it, what matters is the strategic importance for everyone involved.
What you say doesn't make any sense.
Internet is a great tool. It's used for very critical applications all over the world. Of course, the US invented it.
It's not about national pride. It's about control and lack of trust. The international community knows that the US is among those countries that can't be trusted to play nice with others.
A UN-governed Internet would be a lesser risk to everyone involved. With the current state of affairs, the US does actually control the internet.
I believe it only makes sense for the international community to take care of their affairs, and take some control away from the US. Of course, people from the US don't understand why it's a bad thing that the US runs everyone else's DNS roots.
Really think about it: would you accept such a thing if it was controlled by the EU? take into account that a big part of your bussiness relies on the internet. It might no look like such a good decision.
The dictatorship ended 20 years ago.
When it started, they were helped by the US. The US didn't choose to work with the dictator. They chose to work with the military, to keep a democratic government from ruling our country. All that our of fear of communism. Right now, the political party they were afraid of is in government, and although they just started, they have shown much more responsibility that the ones the US was not afraid of.
The problem, for me, is : why did my country have to live under a dictatorship rule, for 13 years, just because the US was afraid of "communism"??
And why do my grandchildren have billions of dollars in debt (good thing the US dollar is sky-diving here) , just because the US though it would be nice to make bussiness with the ignorant military rulers they helped impose?
Well, actually, I don't care why. I just want that they just keep out of here, and if they have help for us in the form of money or whatever, that they keep it for themselves, because it's too much cost for us.
About your college kids analogy, it's more like funding a teenage boy's sports club presidential campaign, and then using him to sign loans for the club. Of course, the club will get fucked, but the guy with the money is the main responsible.
I don't want the Us to do anything.
I don't want them to spend money on me, and I don't want them to take money from me.
My country, Uruguay, owes the US a big lot of money. I just want us to take other loans, to pay that debt, so we can be independent from the US. Our government is now making the deals needed for that.
Money we borrowed from the US has given them the power to guide our government. We are taking the steps to get free from that.
Lots of stuff that happened in South America is the direct (not indirect) result of US-backed dictatorships, and governments following their imposed guidelines.
Although I think the US is to blame for the situation in South America, I agree with you that the US doesn't have to fix anything, they just need to keep the hell out of here, and stop messing with our lifes.
We have the natural resources (food, energy, minerals), we have the people, we have the markets we need, we even have lots of knowledge and expertise. We don't need anything from the US. Although we do need investment money, borrowing money from the US is such a bad deal, we are much better without it. There are lots of capitals out there that don't want to rule your country in exchange, and we can make deals with them.
In any case, Java is Open Enough.
It's not free enough, because it only grants you freedom 0 and freedom 1, the freedom to use it, and to see how it works and improve it.
It still takes away from the user the freedom to help other by sharing the software, and the freedo to share his improvements to the software with a community.
Even though there's the Java community whatever, that takes some pointers by consumers, it's a limited community in its power.
For people who care about "openness", Java is Open Enough. It is great at interoperability, and you can even look at its sourcecode, and licenses are very bussiness friendly.
For people who care about freedom in software, no, Java is not Free Enough.
A short description of freedom in software, from the POV of the user: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
NetBeans has RAD tools for Java software.
.EXE's for Win.
WebSphere, too. For standalone, and for WEB-based apps.
You can say what you want about java being inadequate, but it's the way to make cross-platform apps, and it works.
I don't like standalone apps, I develop web apps, with some ajax-stye interaction, because of ease of deployment, but I honestly believe that java is the way to go if you want cross platform apps.
With SWT and GCJ, you can even build native graphical
Plus you have the best developer environments available, netbeans and eclipse/websphere.
"Punishing the USA" my ass!
In Soviet Russia, USA punishes YOUr ass!!
(In many other places of the world, too)
Watch out for thw inquisition. Giving free "damned" linux distros to churches might be a way to get promptly cremated, specially in some states.
Hey! guy with big paws!
I have big paws too, and I have no problem with tiny mice.
You just need to rest the lower palm on the desktop, and move the mouse with your thumb and pinky. I find I can use the mouse at a 1400x1050 resolution easily, without actually moving my hand. That way, you make a movement similar to typing , where you don't need to move your arms. Maybe, just maybe, big hands and tiny mice can get along well.
1. True
/rant
2. Not enough, for high values of proprietary-ness, such as the case we are talking about, where the guy wants to distribute binaries that run by themselves.
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I'll use this to bitch about moderation.
I _do_ have karma to burn, but I really hate to see a +1, Funny , and then a -1, Overrated.
Nobody cares that you think something is not funny. Punishing people who get Funny ratings (This combination is a -1 karma penalty), even if they are not fun to you, ruins my experience. I like silly comments, it's one of the things I come to slashdot for. There's no need to punish people, and waste moderation on them, just because they are not as serious as you would like.
(-1, Redundant)
I just said exactly that, that _some_ people don't follow trends, but that _they_ are the weird ones.
Thinking it through... by your nickname, you seem Australian. I don't think I'm talking to you after what happened last week. They made Chengue cry. That's too bad. Bad Australians.
We'll sure be able to work something out.
You didn't think it through.
A cellphone is a way of communicating. It is a fashion accesory, too.
Just like the swiss-army knife wore coming out of the back pocket. Or a purse. Or a digital camera pouch.
People buy cellphones because of teir color, or looks, _and_ its features, just like cars.
And that's much more than 2.5 dollars.
Paying 2.5 dolars more, just because you want to make a statement with your cellphone _sound_, too, doesn't look stupid, if you accept all the other fashion/looks related purchases.
Of course,_I_ wouldn't pay 2.5 dollars for a rngtone, but _I_ wouldn't buy a cellphone based on looks, either. But I understand a bit about people, and I know that doing _that_, is normal and coherent with common behaviour, and _I_ am the weird one.
Stallman _is_ the great person behind free software.
the BSDs are good, but they aren't as good at building a community sense.
The GPL is great at giving developers a way to share their software, but keeping a leverage against badly behaved distributors.
It's not about source.
It's about licenses.
And you should read one of those EULAs before saying that they don't restrict your freedom. And read copyright law, too. Probably, you don't have the right to backup your computer, and soon, copyright breaches will be punishable by jailtime.
With new US law, software licenses will have the power to even restrict you physical freedom, if you end up doing stuff you software provider doesn't like.
No matter what OSS zealots might like to believe, GPL != "Freedom".
Remember that RMS *doesn't* really believe in less restrictive licenses like the BSDL, he tolerates them.
You are either a troll, or an ignorant fool.
In case it't the last one, I'll tell you: there are not that many "OSS zealots". People that are highly pòlitical about the software licenses issue often get their politics from the FSF.
You might call them (us) "free software zealots".
The whole political thing is about free software, and free software is about freedom.
Of course that the GPL does not equal "Freedom". Absolute freedom does not exist.
The GPL takes freedom away from the distributors, and gives it to the users. When you distribute GPL software, you lose the freedom not to share the sources, and the freedom to restrict the receivers. With that restrictions, the user of the software is assured the freedom to use it, improve it, to share it, and to share the improvements he makes.
The BSD license gives the first user that downloads the software all of that freedom, but doesn't care about the next one. You, as a distributor, have the freedom to restrict other users. Then, they could get non-free software that resticts their freedom, from an originally BSD-licensed project. e.g.: some microsoft software in the past had that kind of issue.
He wants everyone to use the GPL, because he believes in the GPL style, take care care for the users freedom, restrict the distributors if it's necessary. I believe it's good, too.
Well...
I am a geek, and while I don't like coke, I'm totally ok with tits, and hookers. You can replace coke with champagne, and the hookers for some girls you met on a bar or something, and that's an almost unbeatable saturday (or tuesday) night.
The lifestyle of going to bars, getting hammered, and having sex with random girls (mostly non-paid but even girls that charge money can be fun, and more fun if you can get a freebie) looks much more fun than what you suggest, for lots of geek friends I have.
I do enjoy talking to girls, but they are not usually the ones I want to go to bed with.
Well, who am I kidding? Although I _did_ like that kind of stuff, I chose other way long ago, and I kept just one girl. But it's just because I like her too much, not because I didn't like the other stuff!!
If you redistribute it, yes, of course.
That's what the law says.
Of course, as copyright infringement is not such a big deal when you do it without a profit, it wouldn't be a big deal anyway.
I don't like copyrights myself, but that's the kind of laws there are, and that's what they mean. At least, it would be good for promoters of that kind of laws get bitten in the ass, too, for a change.