You know those derricks (sp?) people have in their back yards in Southern California? If you don't know, there are a large number of people who actually have functional oil rigs, small, but functional, in and around LA, San Diego, Huntington Beach, etc. Now why couldn't algae farmers offer incentives for people to build 3D algae growth rigs on top of their houses, or offices, or back yards, etc... everyone could do their part for some income, making multiple use of out already zoned areas.
Let's talk fabrication. Anyone know what the yields are on lanthanum aluminate? What are the physical manufacturing chanllenges?
Making one transistor is easy compared to making millions of billions (per die, per wafer, per lot) of them reliably and cost-effectively. That is the major obstacle. Remember how long it took to switch to copper wires in the late 1990's? And that was with billions of dollars invested by many companies, and in a hurry!
It took 40+ years to go from a BJT the size of your fist to a modern CPU. I suspect it will take a decade to do the same with this new technology, assuming there is major capital investment for it. Probably 20 years if one of the big three (IBM, Intel, that company is Southeast Asia that has a the 45nm process who's name I am forgetting) doesn't get involved.
How long do you have to hear things are terrible before you believe they are, and start making changes in your own life?
Lemme get this straight: your thesis is that if you say something enough, it becomes reality?
You sound like a republican to me.
So assuming I'm a die-hard Republican because I'm saying something you likely disagree with isn't going to work.
Oh the irony.
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It's called "safety through conformity". Nerds worry a LOT about their image, you can tell by how many ironic t-shirts related to computer programming are out there. if they didn't care at all about what they looked liked, they'd simply wear the cheapest clothes off the for-sale rack from the store located closest to them, even if it turned out to be pink corduroys and a sweater with glittery kittens on it from Taret. But since image is so important, thinkgeek.com profits off the commoditization of image insecurity.
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>> Nerds will be nerds and they don't care about their image, the outside world, or those girl thingies everyone is always talking about.
> That would be a "goth".
Right, because "goth" kids don't care about what they look like, and the opposite sex is clearly, obviously not part of goth culture.
Unless you are referring to the goths that appeared after 1990 (post NIN), when the goth image fell to commiditization and every sorority girl was singing "Closer", every other 5th grader had a mohawk or blue hair, and Target started selling spikey wrist bands, bondage-lite collars, and combat boots.
I'm going to go to listen to some Nick Cave and pretend it is still 1983.
I'm not hardcore enough to use non-mainstream software. But since Word 2007 can still open WordPerfect, and Excel 2007 can still open 1-2-3 data, I still don't see a problem.
Now if we're talking centuries: all bets are off. IMO, we're naive as a culture if we think we can engineer something that will last that long, even the pyramids are falling down.
here's more than just design involved in parts that can run at higher temperatures. These parts will also be more expensive to manufacture.
I don't follow. Outside of the CPU, what parts cost that much more to manufacture to run at 5C higher? Motherboard? Fans? Chassis? Power Supplies? AC for the server closet? The cost of running the AC will increase, but I think 5C is only a big deal on the die, and maybe for acoustic reasons in the case ambient temp.
I was under the impression the extra 5C in the CPU was simply an increase in the thermal gradient used to spec the parts as they approach catastrophic conditions. The amount of silicon operating at the extra temperature introduces a near nil extra (Q) energy into the chassis, since we're only dealing with the hotspot here, but it does have a huge impact on the case to heatsink properties which increases the heatsink cost.
Outside of that local blade/chassis impact, the cost should be very small.
if you design a part that can run at a higher temperature, you save money in cooling. just a few degrees C can translate to millions of dollars in a server farm.
I remember seeing a Zippy comic strip taped to a door at the electronic arts building of my alma mater in 1990. It had him walking along, laughing, saying, "Satellite Uplink" repeatedly, similar to your post.
To what does this refer? I've been pondering it for 18 years.
In your first paragraph, you are making an a priori assumption that schools which teach ID also teach critical thought. I find that very unlikely, since acceptiong ID requires limited critical thinking abilities.
As per the bias of the reviewer, well that's pretty obvious. I think part of the reason impartial dialog is becoming increasingly scare among evolution proponents is due to the techniques ID proponents have employed. While I agree the entire debate needs to be had at a lower grade level, so that everyone can partake, I don't think the maturity should sink to the same grade level. And I'm certain this last statement appears biased to a pro ID reader.
The main thing that bothers me is the cultural framework this creates of closing science into dogma.
You might get those guys to show up for the finalization of a merger...or juicy lawsuit with large television company that has a significant budget to suck dry. Remember, these are IP lawyers we're talking about.
Hmm... I don't see that key and I just uninstalled Chrome a little bit ago. Of course, its the only Google Application I've ever installed, so maybe your key is residual from something else?
Slashdot Mirror
who exacly should be offended?
another network that targets just the male demographic, or everyone else who thinks your comment implied slashdot is only a bunch of male nerds?
which they say has great opportunity to exploit unprecedented IT resources if vendors can overcome a litany of obstacles.
if the resources have never been seen, how do we know they are even there...? :-)
as serious math?
Did a communications major write this?
You know those derricks (sp?) people have in their back yards in Southern California? If you don't know, there are a large number of people who actually have functional oil rigs, small, but functional, in and around LA, San Diego, Huntington Beach, etc. Now why couldn't algae farmers offer incentives for people to build 3D algae growth rigs on top of their houses, or offices, or back yards, etc... everyone could do their part for some income, making multiple use of out already zoned areas.
...how to pronounce his name.
sad days.
The only drawback is not just supercooling.
Let's talk fabrication. Anyone know what the yields are on lanthanum aluminate? What are the physical manufacturing chanllenges?
Making one transistor is easy compared to making millions of billions (per die, per wafer, per lot) of them reliably and cost-effectively. That is the major obstacle. Remember how long it took to switch to copper wires in the late 1990's? And that was with billions of dollars invested by many companies, and in a hurry!
It took 40+ years to go from a BJT the size of your fist to a modern CPU. I suspect it will take a decade to do the same with this new technology, assuming there is major capital investment for it. Probably 20 years if one of the big three (IBM, Intel, that company is Southeast Asia that has a the 45nm process who's name I am forgetting) doesn't get involved.
How long do you have to hear things are terrible before you believe they are, and start making changes in your own life?
Lemme get this straight: your thesis is that if you say something enough, it becomes reality?
You sound like a republican to me.
So assuming I'm a die-hard Republican because I'm saying something you likely disagree with isn't going to work.
Oh the irony.
It's called "safety through conformity". Nerds worry a LOT about their image, you can tell by how many ironic t-shirts related to computer programming are out there. if they didn't care at all about what they looked liked, they'd simply wear the cheapest clothes off the for-sale rack from the store located closest to them, even if it turned out to be pink corduroys and a sweater with glittery kittens on it from Taret. But since image is so important, thinkgeek.com profits off the commoditization of image insecurity.
>> Nerds will be nerds and they don't care about their image, the outside world, or those girl thingies everyone is always talking about.
> That would be a "goth".
Right, because "goth" kids don't care about what they look like, and the opposite sex is clearly, obviously not part of goth culture.
Unless you are referring to the goths that appeared after 1990 (post NIN), when the goth image fell to commiditization and every sorority girl was singing "Closer", every other 5th grader had a mohawk or blue hair, and Target started selling spikey wrist bands, bondage-lite collars, and combat boots.
I'm going to go to listen to some Nick Cave and pretend it is still 1983.
It would be nice if you'd make room for the real world case
Guess you missed the disappeareance of the real world in the rest of the thread. Yes, this is /.
serving out jailtime for someone else, versus not having access to their means of criminal operation are vastly different things.
justice == oppression?
gee, how profound.
I'm not hardcore enough to use non-mainstream software. But since Word 2007 can still open WordPerfect, and Excel 2007 can still open 1-2-3 data, I still don't see a problem.
Now if we're talking centuries: all bets are off. IMO, we're naive as a culture if we think we can engineer something that will last that long, even the pyramids are falling down.
Been using Excel, MS Word since 1990 and Quicken since 1992.
I can still open all my work from my thesis, and can search credit card purchases from 20 years ago.
No problem here.
here's more than just design involved in parts that can run at higher temperatures. These parts will also be more expensive to manufacture.
I don't follow. Outside of the CPU, what parts cost that much more to manufacture to run at 5C higher? Motherboard? Fans? Chassis? Power Supplies? AC for the server closet? The cost of running the AC will increase, but I think 5C is only a big deal on the die, and maybe for acoustic reasons in the case ambient temp.
I was under the impression the extra 5C in the CPU was simply an increase in the thermal gradient used to spec the parts as they approach catastrophic conditions. The amount of silicon operating at the extra temperature introduces a near nil extra (Q) energy into the chassis, since we're only dealing with the hotspot here, but it does have a huge impact on the case to heatsink properties which increases the heatsink cost.
Outside of that local blade/chassis impact, the cost should be very small.
Fill me in as to what I'm missing here.
I disagree. Most people have nothing to hide.
Based on what? Your 15 years of living experience?
Both of us are using weasel words here, but check back with your statement again in 25 years, I pretty sure everyone has something to hide.
if you design a part that can run at a higher temperature, you save money in cooling. just a few degrees C can translate to millions of dollars in a server farm.
I remember seeing a Zippy comic strip taped to a door at the electronic arts building of my alma mater in 1990. It had him walking along, laughing, saying, "Satellite Uplink" repeatedly, similar to your post.
To what does this refer? I've been pondering it for 18 years.
In your first paragraph, you are making an a priori assumption that schools which teach ID also teach critical thought. I find that very unlikely, since acceptiong ID requires limited critical thinking abilities.
As per the bias of the reviewer, well that's pretty obvious. I think part of the reason impartial dialog is becoming increasingly scare among evolution proponents is due to the techniques ID proponents have employed. While I agree the entire debate needs to be had at a lower grade level, so that everyone can partake, I don't think the maturity should sink to the same grade level. And I'm certain this last statement appears biased to a pro ID reader.
The main thing that bothers me is the cultural framework this creates of closing science into dogma.
What was that about strawmen? /grin
isn't ipv6 more easy to control, track, trace, or monitor?
is it possible this is just a farce to push the new standard?
or am i confusing this with Internet2.
please to be educated. /danke
I thought we were talking about the MAKERS of the technology (like Texas Instruments), and not CC companies.
You might want to get that OCD looked into, BTW.
You might get those guys to show up for the finalization of a merger ...or juicy lawsuit with large television company that has a significant budget to suck dry. Remember, these are IP lawyers we're talking about.
Hmm... I don't see that key and I just uninstalled Chrome a little bit ago. Of course, its the only Google Application I've ever installed, so maybe your key is residual from something else?
nVidia needs to take a page from Intel's FDIV days (ca. 1993) and just do a no-questions-asked recall and replace.
Here is pretty much the nail in your argument's coffin:
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/20/limbaugh-obama-won-primaries-becuase-no-one-had-the-guts-to-stand-up-and-say-no-to-a-black-guy/
Limbaugh isn't even CLOSE to Colbert/Stewart, he's just another old white racist conservative, and drug addict to boot.