Now this is really sad. Of course you know that the 'Dont copy bit' will be set on tons of stuff, including things that it shouldn't be set on.. ("oooh, I can't tape Who wants to be a Millionaire").
Assuming, for a picosecond, that whoever is in charge at these companies would think rationally.. Can't they see that *MOST* copy protected things fail? VHS tapes aren't cp'd.. cd-audio aren't cp'd (and they are still making millions on them, dispite massive mp3 downloads on the Internet), Cassette tapes aren't cp'd.. DAT was, Where is DAT now? (Besides the occasional audio master that is sent to a cd replication plant..), CD-R audio isn't.. but then it has a hefty price tag compared to 'normal' cdr's, DVD's are. DVD's are the only cp'd media that I know of which are doing well. I buy DVD's for a few reasons.. 1) Higher Quality, 2) Longer lifetime, 3) I will be able to preserve them if the format dies (Altho, not legally.. the MPAA would have me buy my entire (13 dvd) collection over again just to have it on HDVD-3 discs (or whatever the flavour of the year is)) 4) every other brainless American idiot is buying them too.
Our movies, tvs, harddrives, Music, books, magazines, etc will all be protected from all the evil pirates (You know who you are.. We know you all are.)
If we ever get direct 'cyberlinks' into our brain, under the current system, I fear for the human race. Thought police anyone? How 'bout this? After you go see a movie, the 'Copy protection' will prevent you from telling anyone about it or even remembering what it was about until it is released on video. We almost have something like that in the law books now.. All we need is some kind of bastard child of the DMCA, UCITA and the MPAA.
-since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
almost all current cd burning programs support making a vcd (or in Nero 5's case.. a SVCD works too).
Incidentally, it/is/ as easy as dragging a compliant mpg1 file to the cdr's window.. You just have to make sure that you've selected the vcd option from the 'new cd' dialog. -since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
Oh please.
When was work started on nt5? It was just released early this year. OTOH, I first started running linux in mid 1997. Sure, I've been running it off and on for years. I'm running win2k right now for three reasons only. 1) It's slightly more stable than win98. 2) for some reason I can't run linux or qnx on my hardware.. altho beos is strangely fair game. 3) games.
I can't believe it's been over 2 years and noone's worked on a linux port of Halflife!
Yeah, you, might have heard of nt5 before you heard of linux.. but then a friend of mine just got into computers 2 months ago, he runs winME and heard of linux only a few weeks ago.
Don't generalize for the rest of us.
ah, in case you haven't heard linux started in 1992, I first *heard* of linux back in '94 when I was getting a catalog selling slackware cd's. I finally got to install a copy (albeit "monkey" or "mini"-linux) in 1997
Since then I've used RH 5.0, RH 5.2, RH 6, mandrake 6, mandrake 6.2, and suse (I dunno.. 5?) -since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
bah, I'm bored..
Oct 1 of 1997 was a Wednesday
12418 days is roughly 34 years (freq drift on the internal clock? heh)
erm
the only obvious thing is that Linux came out in 1992.. but you knew that:P
How old is Linus? Was he even alive 34 years ago? hehe -since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
bahaha, that may be true in your town, Silicon Valley kid.. but I'm sitting in my cornfield in middle Indiana on cable modem and can pump full t1 speed.. Sometimes even faster! (T1=192KB, that's nothing.. I've pulled 300KB+ off of fileplanet or any other site..)
hehe, who needs big cities?
-since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
Nullsmack's 3rd law.. if someone else is doing it, then it won't be illegal for long. Unless there is a completely illogical reason for it being illegal.. then it'll be illegal for a long time to come.
(observe the consumer flogging that is occuring thanks to the DMCA)
I actually got questioned like that when I wanted to buy a cellphone to "attempt" to modify for ham bands (I've heard of ppl doing this).. exact words went like this "What would you want with a cellphone without a service?" "To modify for amateur radio bands" "Isn't that illegal?"
AFAIK, the 2.4ghz band is completely unlicensed.. witness the string of 2.4ghz cordless telephones, video transmitters and other AOL-leeches type of products being released.
I predict that the 900mhz band will be free before the 2.4ghz band is (By then, we'll be buying 10ghz telephones and video senders.. with a 15mile radius that are constantly interfereing with each other... typically) -since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
considering the date.. it's unlikely that anyone's going to be back here to read this.. but if you do, then please invest in a sense of humor, it'll do wonders. -since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
That doesn't count.. if it's a program, or any other file on a computer, then it's digital. That means no real world rules apply.. It'll cure your baldness, heal you, give you spiritual guidance, remove cancer, enlarge certain areas, cure blindness and all illnesses..
But pray to god if you email doom2 to someone. -since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
Oh?
What do YOU use a 1ghz thunderbird with 256mb ram and two 80gb hdd's for? MS Word? -since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
I don't know whether to count this as a good thing or a bad:P
Mandrake showing up in Walmart, I have some stories about Walmart..
I was in a Walmart one day browsing the computer games and over heard an old lady talking to one of the sales people.. Basically she wanted to return her Caller-id box, because it didn't work..
When she was asked about service tho, she said that she didn't need to subscribe to anything because her answering machine didn't need any service to work!
lets see, I was in the same one at another time and overheard some little (8-10yo) kids talking (loudly) about how they would never play anything like quake because they didn't want to shoot people, they'd rather play deer hunter..
I really wanted to comment on how honorable it is to shoot something that's defenseless vs something that's not...
And then...
The day after Thanksgiving last year, when there were all kinds of sells, 24 hour sells and stuff like that.. Me and a friend got up really early to goto a local city (well, 20 min away) to goto the sales, and as it would happen we went to Walmart.
On our way into town It started to rain, and was still sprinkling when we pulled into a parking space..
As we were walking up to the store we saw a married couple cart out two of the generic ass computers that Walmart sells, in the rain..
We made fun of them and they heard us and said "Oh, I'm sure that there's plenty of padding, they won't get wet"
And then the loaded them into the back of their pickup truck... (It didn't have a shell on it..)
These three examples are why I think Mandrake might not do too well in Walmart..
I can only imagine one possible dialog:
"I want to return this stupid piece of $#%#)"
"What is wrong with it sir?"
"I can't get Microsoft Word running on it! This dumb OS sucks"
"oh, ah, Mandrake can't run Microsoft products.. It runs something called Linux"
"Well, just gimme my $#%# refund"
"sorry sir, can't do that"
"why?"
"We're afraid you took it home and copied the cd.."
Actually, I was musing the prospects of selling distro cd's on Ebay at work the other day (I work at a cd replication place)..
My mostly dumb coworker, who just gotten a computer, called me a pirate for thinking about that...
He's obviously already attuned to Microsofts software policies.
(Note: He didn't know what a 486 is.. and he's 26)
Then again, Walmart is usually in places where they can't get a (semi) decent store.. -since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
hehe 1/100 of a degree? lets get everyone to spam that and get it up to 90 degrees.. we can do it.. it's already at 82. something:P
btw, they have a live webcam pointing at a temp gauge and, coincidentally, their tv... They were watching DBZ on cartoon network when I looked..
(Also, that page has a button to turn the room lights on/off and their xmas lights too:P fun stuff to annoy ppl with) -since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
Oh come on..
The only ppl who the UCITA favors are the software and content companies.
The UCITA makes a pay-per-use world more than possible, It makes it almost certain. -since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
Bahaha
Better yet..
do some mad moonbounce broadcasting decss in morse code or something even more crazy.. in 300 or 1200 baud packet:P
Let them track *that* down!
(I hope moonbounce is rather self descriptive.. if you don't know.. go ask your local ham -since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
I got the remote control watch for Christmas waay back in 94, when they first came out. This little baby ran perfectly for me for almost 5 years, then it died. all well, it was one of the older ones (with all of the remote control buttons faceing up, none on the side) and I got my fair use out of it. -since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
Hello, This is the MPAA relations and legal office. You have 90 days from this date to dispose of your illegal dvd collection from unauthorized regions. Failure to do so will result in us bugging your computer to make it impossible for you to type your I's in capital letters and have good grammer, any circumvention of this will result in full prosecution by DMCA. That is all.
(i hate it when ppl attempt to sound smart but fuck up on the simplest of things!)
"i really resent that." -since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
Heh, who's going to be the first person to make an oss program to randomly spit barcodes and cuecodes out to dc's servers? Add random cuecat serials to that and stir for database confusion:P (Heck, the first DDoS where the participants know what's goin on (erm, then again, does being slashdotted count as a DDoS?)) -since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
lol, and the local rat shack uses a round hole punch to punch the damn battery cards...
I forgot about that and tried to use it at another rat shack and the fuckers thought I was trying to cheat.. assholes -since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
uh, maybe you don't understand.. in C an exclamation mark means not. ie, != means not equal to..
now go reread the post you replied to.. -since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
Another thing that can be made Illegal by the peasents who don't understand these magical computers that us magicians can operate soo well.
(/sarcasm) (I used the parenthesis on purpose)
Sigh, Am I the only one who thinks that someone should "reinvent" the web? I mean, make a totally different client/server thing with something like HTML 1..
geez, there is so much corperate bullshit on the web now, and they have most of the world thinking web=The Internet..
Freenet is a nice idea, but what we need is a totally different idea of how to post information on the internet. Something like Mojonation, where ppl can elect to store some of the info for the network and everything is broken up into packets with a unique identifier.. Plus a DNS type service where everything can be given a readable name, prolly ran thru the same distributed, redundant method.. a Modified version of html (take some of the annoying things that make it less secure out.. like any onclose crap, or the ability to resize your browser).. and a local client program that acts like a http proxy to your browser but uses the transport of the main network.. maybe throw some network testing code to make sure 56k ppl don't try to serve 20 other ppl at the same time.
At the rate we're going, I'm going to Digitally(tm) Copyright(tm) My(tm) Name(tm), James (tm)(R)(C) Retroactively(tm).
-since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
that's it, I declare that on this day I own the idea of pooping in the bathroom. You cannot use this idea without my permission or you will be in conflict with IP laws, and that's illegal! My permission costs $1 per 10 minutes that you are using my idea.
Face it, anyone who uses IP laws is the 40 year old equivavlent of the 13year old snot nosed, beer drinking, redneck bully who picked on you in 3rd grade.
(This includes, gasp, gpl. ok, I'm ready for my flogging now. You can't be double faced on these issues.)
-since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
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Now this is really sad. Of course you know that the 'Dont copy bit' will be set on tons of stuff, including things that it shouldn't be set on.. ("oooh, I can't tape Who wants to be a Millionaire").
Assuming, for a picosecond, that whoever is in charge at these companies would think rationally.. Can't they see that *MOST* copy protected things fail? VHS tapes aren't cp'd.. cd-audio aren't cp'd (and they are still making millions on them, dispite massive mp3 downloads on the Internet), Cassette tapes aren't cp'd.. DAT was, Where is DAT now? (Besides the occasional audio master that is sent to a cd replication plant..), CD-R audio isn't.. but then it has a hefty price tag compared to 'normal' cdr's, DVD's are. DVD's are the only cp'd media that I know of which are doing well. I buy DVD's for a few reasons.. 1) Higher Quality, 2) Longer lifetime, 3) I will be able to preserve them if the format dies (Altho, not legally.. the MPAA would have me buy my entire (13 dvd) collection over again just to have it on HDVD-3 discs (or whatever the flavour of the year is)) 4) every other brainless American idiot is buying them too.
Our movies, tvs, harddrives, Music, books, magazines, etc will all be protected from all the evil pirates (You know who you are.. We know you all are.)
If we ever get direct 'cyberlinks' into our brain, under the current system, I fear for the human race. Thought police anyone? How 'bout this? After you go see a movie, the 'Copy protection' will prevent you from telling anyone about it or even remembering what it was about until it is released on video. We almost have something like that in the law books now.. All we need is some kind of bastard child of the DMCA, UCITA and the MPAA.
-since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
almost all current cd burning programs support making a vcd (or in Nero 5's case.. a SVCD works too).
/is/ as easy as dragging a compliant mpg1 file to the cdr's window.. You just have to make sure that you've selected the vcd option from the 'new cd' dialog.
Incidentally, it
-since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
Beos had versions for windows, as well as linux and many other platforms.. :P
Where's my Plex86 for windows?
-since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
Oh please.
When was work started on nt5? It was just released early this year. OTOH, I first started running linux in mid 1997. Sure, I've been running it off and on for years. I'm running win2k right now for three reasons only. 1) It's slightly more stable than win98. 2) for some reason I can't run linux or qnx on my hardware.. altho beos is strangely fair game. 3) games.
I can't believe it's been over 2 years and noone's worked on a linux port of Halflife!
Yeah, you, might have heard of nt5 before you heard of linux.. but then a friend of mine just got into computers 2 months ago, he runs winME and heard of linux only a few weeks ago.
Don't generalize for the rest of us.
ah, in case you haven't heard linux started in 1992, I first *heard* of linux back in '94 when I was getting a catalog selling slackware cd's. I finally got to install a copy (albeit "monkey" or "mini"-linux) in 1997
Since then I've used RH 5.0, RH 5.2, RH 6, mandrake 6, mandrake 6.2, and suse (I dunno.. 5?)
-since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
bah, I'm bored.. :P
Oct 1 of 1997 was a Wednesday
12418 days is roughly 34 years (freq drift on the internal clock? heh)
erm
the only obvious thing is that Linux came out in 1992.. but you knew that
How old is Linus? Was he even alive 34 years ago? hehe
-since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
Bah! You stole my line! :P
What a ham.
-since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
bahaha, that may be true in your town, Silicon Valley kid.. but I'm sitting in my cornfield in middle Indiana on cable modem and can pump full t1 speed.. Sometimes even faster! (T1=192KB, that's nothing.. I've pulled 300KB+ off of fileplanet or any other site..)
hehe, who needs big cities?
-since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
Nullsmack's 3rd law.. if someone else is doing it, then it won't be illegal for long. Unless there is a completely illogical reason for it being illegal.. then it'll be illegal for a long time to come.
(observe the consumer flogging that is occuring thanks to the DMCA)
I actually got questioned like that when I wanted to buy a cellphone to "attempt" to modify for ham bands (I've heard of ppl doing this).. exact words went like this "What would you want with a cellphone without a service?" "To modify for amateur radio bands" "Isn't that illegal?"
AFAIK, the 2.4ghz band is completely unlicensed.. witness the string of 2.4ghz cordless telephones, video transmitters and other AOL-leeches type of products being released.
I predict that the 900mhz band will be free before the 2.4ghz band is (By then, we'll be buying 10ghz telephones and video senders.. with a 15mile radius that are constantly interfereing with each other... typically)
-since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
Dude, just set goatse.cx to 127.0.0.1 or yahoo or something in your hosts file and get over it.
-since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
considering the date.. it's unlikely that anyone's going to be back here to read this.. but if you do, then please invest in a sense of humor, it'll do wonders.
-since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
That doesn't count.. if it's a program, or any other file on a computer, then it's digital. That means no real world rules apply.. It'll cure your baldness, heal you, give you spiritual guidance, remove cancer, enlarge certain areas, cure blindness and all illnesses..
But pray to god if you email doom2 to someone.
-since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
One Britney Spears CD: $14.95
Price of each cd: $.20
How much Britney gets: $1.50
How much the RIAA gets: $13.25
The smile on the RIAA's face, when you scratch your cd a week later and come back to buy another one... : Priceless
-since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
Oh?
What do YOU use a 1ghz thunderbird with 256mb ram and two 80gb hdd's for? MS Word?
-since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
I don't know whether to count this as a good thing or a bad :P
Mandrake showing up in Walmart, I have some stories about Walmart..
I was in a Walmart one day browsing the computer games and over heard an old lady talking to one of the sales people.. Basically she wanted to return her Caller-id box, because it didn't work..
When she was asked about service tho, she said that she didn't need to subscribe to anything because her answering machine didn't need any service to work!
lets see, I was in the same one at another time and overheard some little (8-10yo) kids talking (loudly) about how they would never play anything like quake because they didn't want to shoot people, they'd rather play deer hunter..
I really wanted to comment on how honorable it is to shoot something that's defenseless vs something that's not...
And then...
The day after Thanksgiving last year, when there were all kinds of sells, 24 hour sells and stuff like that.. Me and a friend got up really early to goto a local city (well, 20 min away) to goto the sales, and as it would happen we went to Walmart.
On our way into town It started to rain, and was still sprinkling when we pulled into a parking space..
As we were walking up to the store we saw a married couple cart out two of the generic ass computers that Walmart sells, in the rain..
We made fun of them and they heard us and said "Oh, I'm sure that there's plenty of padding, they won't get wet"
And then the loaded them into the back of their pickup truck... (It didn't have a shell on it..)
These three examples are why I think Mandrake might not do too well in Walmart..
I can only imagine one possible dialog:
"I want to return this stupid piece of $#%#)"
"What is wrong with it sir?"
"I can't get Microsoft Word running on it! This dumb OS sucks"
"oh, ah, Mandrake can't run Microsoft products.. It runs something called Linux"
"Well, just gimme my $#%# refund"
"sorry sir, can't do that"
"why?"
"We're afraid you took it home and copied the cd.."
Actually, I was musing the prospects of selling distro cd's on Ebay at work the other day (I work at a cd replication place)..
My mostly dumb coworker, who just gotten a computer, called me a pirate for thinking about that...
He's obviously already attuned to Microsofts software policies.
(Note: He didn't know what a 486 is.. and he's 26)
Then again, Walmart is usually in places where they can't get a (semi) decent store..
-since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
guys, where do you find this stuff?!
"Finally, many people noted that you should call 1-800-888-3999, and select option 7. No, really"
Forget about pressing 7 when they first answer, Listen to all their options until they get to 7..
really.
-since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
hehe 1/100 of a degree? lets get everyone to spam that and get it up to 90 degrees.. we can do it.. it's already at 82. something :P
:P fun stuff to annoy ppl with)
btw, they have a live webcam pointing at a temp gauge and, coincidentally, their tv... They were watching DBZ on cartoon network when I looked..
(Also, that page has a button to turn the room lights on/off and their xmas lights too
-since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
Oh come on..
The only ppl who the UCITA favors are the software and content companies.
The UCITA makes a pay-per-use world more than possible, It makes it almost certain.
-since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
Bahaha :P
Better yet..
do some mad moonbounce broadcasting decss in morse code or something even more crazy.. in 300 or 1200 baud packet
Let them track *that* down!
(I hope moonbounce is rather self descriptive.. if you don't know.. go ask your local ham
-since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
I got the remote control watch for Christmas waay back in 94, when they first came out. This little baby ran perfectly for me for almost 5 years, then it died. all well, it was one of the older ones (with all of the remote control buttons faceing up, none on the side) and I got my fair use out of it.
-since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
Hello, This is the MPAA relations and legal office. You have 90 days from this date to dispose of your illegal dvd collection from unauthorized regions. Failure to do so will result in us bugging your computer to make it impossible for you to type your I's in capital letters and have good grammer, any circumvention of this will result in full prosecution by DMCA. That is all.
(i hate it when ppl attempt to sound smart but fuck up on the simplest of things!)
"i really resent that."
-since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
Heh, who's going to be the first person to make an oss program to randomly spit barcodes and cuecodes out to dc's servers? Add random cuecat serials to that and stir for database confusion :P (Heck, the first DDoS where the participants know what's goin on (erm, then again, does being slashdotted count as a DDoS?))
-since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
lol, and the local rat shack uses a round hole punch to punch the damn battery cards...
I forgot about that and tried to use it at another rat shack and the fuckers thought I was trying to cheat.. assholes
-since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
uh, maybe you don't understand.. in C an exclamation mark means not. ie, != means not equal to..
now go reread the post you replied to..
-since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
Another thing that can be made Illegal by the peasents who don't understand these magical computers that us magicians can operate soo well.
(/sarcasm) (I used the parenthesis on purpose)
Sigh, Am I the only one who thinks that someone should "reinvent" the web? I mean, make a totally different client/server thing with something like HTML 1..
geez, there is so much corperate bullshit on the web now, and they have most of the world thinking web=The Internet..
Freenet is a nice idea, but what we need is a totally different idea of how to post information on the internet. Something like Mojonation, where ppl can elect to store some of the info for the network and everything is broken up into packets with a unique identifier.. Plus a DNS type service where everything can be given a readable name, prolly ran thru the same distributed, redundant method.. a Modified version of html (take some of the annoying things that make it less secure out.. like any onclose crap, or the ability to resize your browser).. and a local client program that acts like a http proxy to your browser but uses the transport of the main network.. maybe throw some network testing code to make sure 56k ppl don't try to serve 20 other ppl at the same time.
At the rate we're going, I'm going to Digitally(tm) Copyright(tm) My(tm) Name(tm), James (tm)(R)(C) Retroactively(tm).
-since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
that's it, I declare that on this day I own the idea of pooping in the bathroom. You cannot use this idea without my permission or you will be in conflict with IP laws, and that's illegal! My permission costs $1 per 10 minutes that you are using my idea.
Face it, anyone who uses IP laws is the 40 year old equivavlent of the 13year old snot nosed, beer drinking, redneck bully who picked on you in 3rd grade.
(This includes, gasp, gpl. ok, I'm ready for my flogging now. You can't be double faced on these issues.)
-since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?