2 of them are already dead. One is in jail. Worked with one when I was a late teen. He shotgunned his girlfriend. Another one was a kid from the small town I grew up in. He blew away a kid from out of town at a party. The other was a well known hard case from the next town over who sometimes hung around in groups I was in as a teenager. Robbery gone bad.
In addition, I worked with another who had been released after being on death row. He may not have committed that one, but I'd not be surprised (and suspect) he committed others. He died of vascular problems stemming from meth abuse. He was a very good worker, but I sure wouldn't have want him angry at me. I've seen him go cold angry at someone else I knew. Very scary.
Another I knew in the National Guard was jailed for attempting to hire someone to kill someone.
At 51, I'm older than most slashdotters, so I've had more time for people I've met to screw up. I also didn't come from a suburb, but a kinda mean blue collar farm and factory worker town.
As to Magnotta, you're having to go a ways to find someone. Andrew Cunanon would be another, but these are people on the news, not ones either of us (correct me if I'm wrong) have met.
Yes, there are gays/TG that are murderers, just I've not met them.
You do realize there's just a bit of time lag here?
The Hubble was supposed to launch in 1983 (delays in building and the Challenger disaster held it up till 1990). So, it's at best 30 year old tech (and actually since it was space rated, a good bit older than that).
The Magellan II is brand spiffy new and can take advantage of many things that Hubble can't since it needs to be at least somewhat rad hard.
Granted that Hubble has been upgraded, but I don't think it's a fair comparison.
If we ever get the James Webb Telescope launched, that might be a fairer comparison.
So, you're saying that having transgender feelings is generally due to torture and insanity?
Do you also think this about gays?
Does that mean you think some sort of "therapy" might cure that since you seem to think it's an illness?
I think you've discredited yourself fairly thoroughly just in one paragraph just by letting what you really think show through.
I know a number of trannies and gays from some of the fandoms I'm in. Let me assure you not all of them are wiggin' loonies. Are some of them? Yes, but so are a lot of heteros. And, most of the hetero loonies I know are a lot more worrisome (in terms of violence especially I've never met a gay or tranny murderer, yet. I know several hetero ones.).
"there will be a LOT of negativity thrown her way"
Especially from rather shallow slashdotters and other former allies, who will over time decide that it's no longer "cool" to hold up Chelsea Manning as a shining example rather than Bradley Manning.
How dare Chelsea interfere with their idol worship!
According to the Nature paper referenced, they think part of the way it works is increased creation of working mitochondria, and increased recycling of nonworking mitochondria.
That's a useful thing to be able to modify. There are a number of diseases that seem to involve increasing mitochondrial disfunction or decreased numbers of them.
In fact, one of the theories of aging is that the mitochondria stop working so well contributing to senescence because there's less energy for the cell to do routine things like take out the trash (buildup of nonworking protein and other remnants). That's certainly not the whole story on aging, but it's likely a part of it.
This may not work in humans, or even if it does might not lead to an exercise pill, but this is certainly interesting work.
Actually, the Nature paper addresses this. They found that while underexpression of Rev-ErbA weakens muscles, overexpression of it gave the increased benefits over normal.
Granted, this was in the defective mouse and needs to be followed up with wild type, but it looks like it's not just the replacement.
Yep. Those lab animal's controlled diets really are changed by human plate diameter.
You can go over and fight it out in the corner with the ones who are convinced it's sugar (when we use more HFCS), or that it's HFCS, when many of the countries that have seen weight gain use more sucrose rather than HFCS.
And there's another corner for those who think it's TV (those lab animals watch so much of it) to fight with the crowd that thinks it's GMOs.
We've got lots of people in this thread who "know" what the cause is.
Unlike all of you, I don't "know" exactly what it is. So, I guess I can just watch all of you fight it out.
It's interesting to see this. the closest drive in to where I live just completed raising the money to go digital through donation drives. (Harvest Moon Drive In, Gibson City, IL).
There's a lot of the nostalgia factor driving the place, but it's definitely a good time to get a bunch of friends together to go. Set up lawn chairs around the car and kick back. There's usually a good crowd. The weather's the big problem if it rains.
This sounds a bit like some reporter saying "Dammit, it's too boring around here today. I wish there was a grisly fatal multicar pileup so I could write something about it."
Then again, there's the old Hollywood idea that any hype is good hype for a career. Grunwald is certainly getting discussed more now than before this.
I would assume Fred Phelps' coworkers consider him level headed and fair.
Your idea of classifying members of a belief group as deluded is an old one. In fact, it's been used a good bit by those you're applying it to right now. Many religions have tales that justify all manner of things being done to those who have "incorrect" knowledge or beliefs. The parable of the burning house in Mahayanna Buddhism, for example. You can supply appropriate ones for Islam and Christianity (left as an exercise for the reader).
History has seen people confined in mental hospitals or the equivalent for all sorts of beliefs. Failure to see the wisdom and truth of Marxism-Leninism was one reason seen in the last century. Failure to see the wisdom and truth of any of many religions has been a reason for far longer. Roughly as long as having the the wrong political beliefs.
The problem with just dismissing that is, sometimes treatment as an illness justified. Sometimes not. Someone who loudly professed loyalty to the death to the German Kaiser might not have qualified during WWI. They might well if they did it as their sole activity today. This is one of the reasons that widely held beliefs are not usually considered evidence of mental illness in an individual without other factors. Atypical ones might be.
So, your idea has a long and sordid past and has been heavily used by the very people you're classifying as crazy.
That should give you some pause, but I kinda doubt it will. Those who go around proclaiming people who disagree with them are crazy are often not the most stable themselves. And usually they are utterly convinced of the rightness of their own beliefs. Sound familiar?
"In AA you need to be open minded, which means believing what they believe. If you don't believe what they believe, then you aren't open minded!"
That's not just AA. That's about every human organization I've seen. Some more, some less, but the core of it is there in nearly all.
Often it's of the form "Well, the only moral conclusion is "X", thus those who come to "Y" instead are deluded or have an agenda."
Why "X"?
I logically and rationally came to that conclusion because all my friends believe "X".
As to the alcoholism: I don't know the rates of staying sober in the various treatment options are, but I've known hard core alcoholics. The "lose your family, your house, your programming job, and be on the street shaking like a leaf from the DTs" kind of bad.
Any means that helps a person in those straits to stop the booze is a plus. Anything's better than that.
I know that the person I knew best in that condition was far less likely to drink when he went to his AA group. When he got away from that support, he was a useless drunk. Now, that may have been any support system that would have done that. But this guy was gonna die if he didn't get it under control.
Oh this is going to be hysterical. Pass the popcorn.
Sorry General, AI isn't that good yet, regardless of what some software company sales rep has told you about its magic pixie dust administration automation software.
Exactly. China has more than enough programmers to fix major bugs given that they have the source already. It may not be as fast a turnaround as MS, but if it's a major problem to the Chinese government, they'll do at least some fixes. Heck, they can also put in some of their own "security" fixes that report back on unsanctioned activities (visiting a Falun Gong web site, for example).
If they want to create a fig leaf of cover, they just say that the new updates are the result of independent hackers *wink* *nudge* that they have no control over, despite being served from government owned servers and signed with PRC government owned certificates. "Aw shucks. Wonder how they did that."
Asbestos becomes a problem when someone is exposed to it in pretty large amounts for a long time as you say, but the real kicker is if they also smoke.
Does this mean they're going to start flagging the oodles of things on Youtube that "copyright violations"? And post links to Amazon or some such where you can pay for the music in them (of course ignoring the other content)?
This should get funny when they go up against Google for treading on their turf.
Not gonna mess with Google-tube, huh? Well, I guess like in Animal Farm, some are more equal than others.
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2 of them are already dead. One is in jail.
Worked with one when I was a late teen. He shotgunned his girlfriend. Another one was a kid from the small town I grew up in. He blew away a kid from out of town at a party. The other was a well known hard case from the next town over who sometimes hung around in groups I was in as a teenager. Robbery gone bad.
In addition, I worked with another who had been released after being on death row. He may not have committed that one, but I'd not be surprised (and suspect) he committed others. He died of vascular problems stemming from meth abuse. He was a very good worker, but I sure wouldn't have want him angry at me. I've seen him go cold angry at someone else I knew. Very scary.
Another I knew in the National Guard was jailed for attempting to hire someone to kill someone.
At 51, I'm older than most slashdotters, so I've had more time for people I've met to screw up. I also didn't come from a suburb, but a kinda mean blue collar farm and factory worker town.
As to Magnotta, you're having to go a ways to find someone. Andrew Cunanon would be another, but these are people on the news, not ones either of us (correct me if I'm wrong) have met.
Yes, there are gays/TG that are murderers, just I've not met them.
2 already dead. One in jail. It's not alleged. All three were convicted.
You do realize there's just a bit of time lag here?
The Hubble was supposed to launch in 1983 (delays in building and the Challenger disaster held it up till 1990). So, it's at best 30 year old tech (and actually since it was space rated, a good bit older than that).
The Magellan II is brand spiffy new and can take advantage of many things that Hubble can't since it needs to be at least somewhat rad hard.
Granted that Hubble has been upgraded, but I don't think it's a fair comparison.
If we ever get the James Webb Telescope launched, that might be a fairer comparison.
So, you're saying that having transgender feelings is generally due to torture and insanity?
Do you also think this about gays?
Does that mean you think some sort of "therapy" might cure that since you seem to think it's an illness?
I think you've discredited yourself fairly thoroughly just in one paragraph just by letting what you really think show through.
I know a number of trannies and gays from some of the fandoms I'm in. Let me assure you not all of them are wiggin' loonies. Are some of them? Yes, but so are a lot of heteros. And, most of the hetero loonies I know are a lot more worrisome (in terms of violence especially I've never met a gay or tranny murderer, yet. I know several hetero ones.).
"there will be a LOT of negativity thrown her way"
Especially from rather shallow slashdotters and other former allies, who will over time decide that it's no longer "cool" to hold up Chelsea Manning as a shining example rather than Bradley Manning.
How dare Chelsea interfere with their idol worship!
According to the Nature paper referenced, they think part of the way it works is increased creation of working mitochondria, and increased recycling of nonworking mitochondria.
That's a useful thing to be able to modify. There are a number of diseases that seem to involve increasing mitochondrial disfunction or decreased numbers of them.
In fact, one of the theories of aging is that the mitochondria stop working so well contributing to senescence because there's less energy for the cell to do routine things like take out the trash (buildup of nonworking protein and other remnants). That's certainly not the whole story on aging, but it's likely a part of it.
This may not work in humans, or even if it does might not lead to an exercise pill, but this is certainly interesting work.
Actually, the Nature paper addresses this. They found that while underexpression of Rev-ErbA weakens muscles, overexpression of it gave the increased benefits over normal.
Granted, this was in the defective mouse and needs to be followed up with wild type, but it looks like it's not just the replacement.
No. I've known utterly wired meth heads that were just as lazy afterwards, but, man, were they really tense about it.
Y'know, I first read that as "now if I can combine that with my vagina and rogain".
I'm not quite sure if hilarity ensued. It certainly gave me pause...
Oh, the AC will happily use the computers and machines. They're one of the "entitled" ones.
It's just all those "other" people who are lazy assholes who should be forced to live an 18th century existence.
It's a lot like when people advocate drastic population reduction. My response is "Ok. You first."
Yep. Those lab animal's controlled diets really are changed by human plate diameter.
You can go over and fight it out in the corner with the ones who are convinced it's sugar (when we use more HFCS), or that it's HFCS, when many of the countries that have seen weight gain use more sucrose rather than HFCS.
And there's another corner for those who think it's TV (those lab animals watch so much of it) to fight with the crowd that thinks it's GMOs.
We've got lots of people in this thread who "know" what the cause is.
Unlike all of you, I don't "know" exactly what it is. So, I guess I can just watch all of you fight it out.
The passphrase is "James Clapper is a weenie!"
We've been using Dihrdrogen Monoxide for cooling for decades. And it has angstrom size particles!
Is this guy claiming his way is better because he's tossing something the relative size of beach balls into his kiddie ball pit?
( ;) for the humor impaired.)
It's interesting to see this. the closest drive in to where I live just completed raising the money to go digital through donation drives. (Harvest Moon Drive In, Gibson City, IL).
There's a lot of the nostalgia factor driving the place, but it's definitely a good time to get a bunch of friends together to go. Set up lawn chairs around the car and kick back. There's usually a good crowd. The weather's the big problem if it rains.
This sounds a bit like some reporter saying "Dammit, it's too boring around here today. I wish there was a grisly fatal multicar pileup so I could write something about it."
Then again, there's the old Hollywood idea that any hype is good hype for a career. Grunwald is certainly getting discussed more now than before this.
Well, they did manage to bomb the Chinese embassy in Belgrade 14 years ago.
I would assume Fred Phelps' coworkers consider him level headed and fair.
Your idea of classifying members of a belief group as deluded is an old one. In fact, it's been used a good bit by those you're applying it to right now. Many religions have tales that justify all manner of things being done to those who have "incorrect" knowledge or beliefs. The parable of the burning house in Mahayanna Buddhism, for example. You can supply appropriate ones for Islam and Christianity (left as an exercise for the reader).
History has seen people confined in mental hospitals or the equivalent for all sorts of beliefs. Failure to see the wisdom and truth of Marxism-Leninism was one reason seen in the last century. Failure to see the wisdom and truth of any of many religions has been a reason for far longer. Roughly as long as having the the wrong political beliefs.
The problem with just dismissing that is, sometimes treatment as an illness justified. Sometimes not. Someone who loudly professed loyalty to the death to the German Kaiser might not have qualified during WWI. They might well if they did it as their sole activity today. This is one of the reasons that widely held beliefs are not usually considered evidence of mental illness in an individual without other factors. Atypical ones might be.
So, your idea has a long and sordid past and has been heavily used by the very people you're classifying as crazy.
That should give you some pause, but I kinda doubt it will. Those who go around proclaiming people who disagree with them are crazy are often not the most stable themselves. And usually they are utterly convinced of the rightness of their own beliefs. Sound familiar?
Bad for those under 55 years old, huh?
So, you're saying I only have to survive 4 more years until it starts being good for me?
That pretty much describes my view, too. Different means are going to work for different people. And even then, only sometimes.
And frankly, there are far too many that we just really don't have programs or answers that work for them.
Hopefully, neuroscience can get a better understanding of addiction and how it can be dealt with, but it's been a long and frustrating path so far.
"In AA you need to be open minded, which means believing what they believe. If you don't believe what they believe, then you aren't open minded!"
That's not just AA. That's about every human organization I've seen. Some more, some less, but the core of it is there in nearly all.
Often it's of the form "Well, the only moral conclusion is "X", thus those who come to "Y" instead are deluded or have an agenda."
Why "X"?
I logically and rationally came to that conclusion because all my friends believe "X".
As to the alcoholism: I don't know the rates of staying sober in the various treatment options are, but I've known hard core alcoholics. The "lose your family, your house, your programming job, and be on the street shaking like a leaf from the DTs" kind of bad.
Any means that helps a person in those straits to stop the booze is a plus. Anything's better than that.
I know that the person I knew best in that condition was far less likely to drink when he went to his AA group. When he got away from that support, he was a useless drunk. Now, that may have been any support system that would have done that. But this guy was gonna die if he didn't get it under control.
Oh this is going to be hysterical. Pass the popcorn.
Sorry General, AI isn't that good yet, regardless of what some software company sales rep has told you about its magic pixie dust administration automation software.
Exactly. China has more than enough programmers to fix major bugs given that they have the source already. It may not be as fast a turnaround as MS, but if it's a major problem to the Chinese government, they'll do at least some fixes. Heck, they can also put in some of their own "security" fixes that report back on unsanctioned activities (visiting a Falun Gong web site, for example).
If they want to create a fig leaf of cover, they just say that the new updates are the result of independent hackers *wink* *nudge* that they have no control over, despite being served from government owned servers and signed with PRC government owned certificates. "Aw shucks. Wonder how they did that."
Asbestos becomes a problem when someone is exposed to it in pretty large amounts for a long time as you say, but the real kicker is if they also smoke.
That really ups the risk from it.
So, does that mean that if the NRA defends weed, California will outlaw it again?
Does this mean they're going to start flagging the oodles of things on Youtube that "copyright violations"? And post links to Amazon or some such where you can pay for the music in them (of course ignoring the other content)?
This should get funny when they go up against Google for treading on their turf.
Not gonna mess with Google-tube, huh? Well, I guess like in Animal Farm, some are more equal than others.