This is the way the IBM VisualAge development tools operate. You have a 'repository' where all your code is kept, every revision included. I don't see why this concept shouldn't be applied to productivity applications, especially with todays mega-size hard drives this shouldn't be a problem.
like idiots or trolls on their mailinglists. their feedback is not welcome because everything inside GNOME has been decided already.
No. While there are idiots and trolls on the GNOME mailinglists, I'm surprised every time how they get decent replies from the people that could also have spent their time improving GNOME. Feedback is taken into account, but not every feature some loudmouth demands can be realised with the limited amount of manpower available. Definately not when it means changing directions in the middle of a release process!
the other shit shouldn't be there. this leads to one conclusion that everything is maturing and infected by GNOME.
Ooh, scary. You mean like the GPL virus infects everything it touches?
The risk is that Nautilus wil become so integrated
in gnome that you can't remove it anymore. Or if you do you loose some critical features.
And how is this a risk? When you remove gnome-settings-daemon you lose some critical features, and I don't hear anyone complaining about that. The same could be said of any other GNOME component, even GTK2!
the button "Go to theme folder" starts nautilus.
There is no way to start another wm.
I don't know if that button points to "Nautilus" or to some variable $DESKTOP_SHELL but if you know enough about GNOME that you think you can do without Nautilus, you can probably figure out how to install a theme without it as well.
Changing your wm is very well possible in 2.0 (just not very elegant) and this will improve in upcoming versions.
So if you want to edit you menu you will need Nautilus.
I don't think the gnome community should become as depend on nautilus as windows users are on explorer.
I don't think that will happen, because GNOME users still have a powerful terminal handy, should they wish to perform their file management tasks otherwise.
It's a nice shell, granted, but it's an app like many others, and many users don't... use it.
Nautilus is definately not an app like many others. It's the default GNOME desktop shell for crying out loud!
My point is, that kind of integration is just not the way to go for desktop on linx.
Why? What kind of integration do you think is the way to go?
If you want to be recognized, don't follow the (questinable) ideas of others.
Don't blindly follow, but use what is right, and put in something from yourself. Although I don't think Nautilus is "finished" by a long shot, it's coming along nicely.
Sounds familiar. The current situation in The Netherlands is quite alike!
(I wouldn't call our current gov. neo-nazi by any stretch of imagination; but "rightist" is a fitting description. Apart from that there are the ministers from the new party of the killed politician Pim Fortuyn, who are a chaotic bunch...)
Just so you know: you can make OOo use the same fonts SO does by copying SO's fonts directory to the equivalent location in the OOo installation directory.
Using Java for graphics! - Can you think of something worse?
FYI, back when StarOffice 5.0 was released, I already saw a version of which the GUI was a Java applet run from within Netscape. It connected to a server for the heavy computing work. Speedwise, and UI-wise, there was no visible difference with the native binary. I imagine that with the current advances in Java technology you probably wouldn't even notice whether it was driving your UI or not, given identical widgets/themes.
This may be true in a general sense, but still there are some things in GNOME2 that are so unintuitive it's not funny any more.
For instance; place your tasklist applet on a vertical panel. Open lots of apps. Observe that your tasklist becomes crowded with very small task buttons without the tasklist expanding vertically. Now try to make the tasklist use more vertical space- you may reply when you've found it... (it is possible)
hmmph, the whole of bugzilla.gnome.org contains five bugs reported by people with an ibm.com address, of which three are AIX-specific.
Well they do have one or two articles on GNOME development on their developerworks site. But I'm convinced Sun has contributed countless more manhours to the user interface aspect of GNOME than IBM has.
You get download rights to the same commercial packages that aren't included in the download distribution. Furthermore it is a way of "buying" the download edition with no money going to packagers and resellers; and it is a way of investing in your favorite distro so that you will still get upgrades and shiny new releases next year.
This is something else than donating to a charity and expecting nothing in return.
# I still can't play Shockwave files with Mandrake installed "out of the box"
Flash isn't GPL. Go download Flash for Linux or get the mdk RPM at MandrakeClub.
# I still have to resort to the command line when installing apps like OpenOffice
Guess you haven't discovered the Software Manager yet.
# CTRL+C and CTRL+V still doesn't work flawlessly between applications from different Desktop Environments (i.e. KDE and Gnome)
And this is Mandrake's fault???
# I still have to re-configure mime types so that when I click an m3u (MP3 playlist) in Galeon, it uses xmms
OK, some things aren't as tightly integrated as could be.
# And of course I still can't edit Microsoft Word documents with 100% accuracy, despite all the crowing that goes on about OpenOffice, StarOffice, KDE Office and the others
That's an idiotic requirement of a distro. OpenOffice does the job good enough and if you need 100% accuracy, prepare to spend some money on Crossover Office or something to run the real MSO.
Had you actually read the article; the 80.000 is a fictive number based on the numbers of an earlier quarter, and with the assumption there are no other sources of income.
If raising €440.000 in less than five months isn't a succes, I don't know what is.
Included on the third CD of Mandrake 8.2 download edition.
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That's real easy. Install RC1 and wait a week until the mirrors aren't as loaded as they are now. Then, use rpmdrake to add some ftp mirror as a source and update your packages as needed.
even the latest KDE or GNOME have a long, long way to go to catchup to OS/2's PM + WPS. I only wish those people working on Linux would take a good look at OS/2 and see what's been done already and take some good ideas from it.
As a participant in the GNOME usability project I can assure you this is not as easy to achieve as you suggest. But please join the mailinglist/irc channel and voice your opinions. You have a better chance to be heard by the right people there than here on/.
It was not possible to take a Windows application and compile it for OS/2; you had to substantially re-write your app. It wouldn't be quite as much work as re-writing your app from scratch, but it was close. Microsoft didn't want this.
I do recall there was a "mirrors" lib that would ease porting from win16 to the OS/2 API. I'm not sure how good it was; but at any rate: porting GUI windows apps 1-on-1 to OS/2 is a real shame because of OS/2's OOUI Workplace Shell (see other comments). Real OS/2 apps take advantage of the WPS and integrate with it. One particularly good example of this approach was Seagate Backup, but there were others.
Your ignorance is giving KDE users a bad reputation. The direction of GNOME is decided by the GNOME board which is elected by the entire GNOME community. To my disappointment I must say, in the elections that were held a few months ago, (iirc) none of the candidates that work for Sun were elected. So you were saying..?
Apart from this, there is the often overlooked problem that apps from one platform that are somehow ran on the other totally don't adhere to the "host platform" UI guidelines and conventions. This may also be part of the reason there aren't many popular GUI Java apps (Sun has published Java L&F design guidelines though). Applications that look and behave "strange" are less likely to be accepted by users.
I guess the Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam is not doing so bad then. We have the MultiVLA (Dutch) project for visualisation of molecules etc. It involves 6 beamers and a big empty wall. (think DVD!;) Students of the new interdisciplinary course Medical Natural Sciences get to use this stuff.
I don't understand why people are advocating the use of RTF. RTF is nice until the document contains pictures. You thought ~200k Word documents sucked? Wait what 1,5MB RTF attachments do to your disk quota!
The nice thing about PDF is that it, in the majority of cases, is smaller in size than.doc. Nonetheless the sending of attachments should be kept to a bare minimum. Documents that are to be shared should be put on some webserver (when available) and a hyperlink should be mailed so the recipient can get the file at his own convenience.
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This is the way the IBM VisualAge development tools operate. You have a 'repository' where all your code is kept, every revision included. I don't see why this concept shouldn't be applied to productivity applications, especially with todays mega-size hard drives this shouldn't be a problem.
Please grow up....
Changing your wm is very well possible in 2.0 (just not very elegant) and this will improve in upcoming versions. *Shrug* I have Menudrake for that.
Sounds familiar. The current situation in The Netherlands is quite alike!
(I wouldn't call our current gov. neo-nazi by any stretch of imagination; but "rightist" is a fitting description. Apart from that there are the ministers from the new party of the killed politician Pim Fortuyn, who are a chaotic bunch...)
Just so you know: you can make OOo use the same fonts SO does by copying SO's fonts directory to the equivalent location in the OOo installation directory.
hmmph, the whole of bugzilla.gnome.org contains five bugs reported by people with an ibm.com address, of which three are AIX-specific.
Well they do have one or two articles on GNOME development on their developerworks site. But I'm convinced Sun has contributed countless more manhours to the user interface aspect of GNOME than IBM has.
The trick is to select the URL and immedeately paste it with a middle mouse click somewehere in the browser window.
GNOME Usability Study Report 'nuff said.
MandrakeClub membership != donation !!
You get download rights to the same commercial packages that aren't included in the download distribution. Furthermore it is a way of "buying" the download edition with no money going to packagers and resellers; and it is a way of investing in your favorite distro so that you will still get upgrades and shiny new releases next year.
This is something else than donating to a charity and expecting nothing in return.
# I still can't play Shockwave files with Mandrake installed "out of the box"
Flash isn't GPL. Go download Flash for Linux or get the mdk RPM at MandrakeClub.
# I still have to resort to the command line when installing apps like OpenOffice
Guess you haven't discovered the Software Manager yet.
# CTRL+C and CTRL+V still doesn't work flawlessly between applications from different Desktop Environments (i.e. KDE and Gnome)
And this is Mandrake's fault???
# I still have to re-configure mime types so that when I click an m3u (MP3 playlist) in Galeon, it uses xmms
OK, some things aren't as tightly integrated as could be.
# And of course I still can't edit Microsoft Word documents with 100% accuracy, despite all the crowing that goes on about OpenOffice, StarOffice, KDE Office and the others
That's an idiotic requirement of a distro. OpenOffice does the job good enough and if you need 100% accuracy, prepare to spend some money on Crossover Office or something to run the real MSO.
If raising €440.000 in less than five months isn't a succes, I don't know what is.
A Dutch court, actually. And the ruling wasn't about distributed computing but about wether or not Kazaa was infringing copyrights.
Included on the third CD of Mandrake 8.2 download edition.
That's real easy. Install RC1 and wait a week until the mirrors aren't as loaded as they are now. Then, use rpmdrake to add some ftp mirror as a source and update your packages as needed.
As a participant in the GNOME usability project I can assure you this is not as easy to achieve as you suggest. But please join the mailinglist/irc channel and voice your opinions. You have a better chance to be heard by the right people there than here on /.
Your ignorance is giving KDE users a bad reputation. The direction of GNOME is decided by the GNOME board which is elected by the entire GNOME community. To my disappointment I must say, in the elections that were held a few months ago, (iirc) none of the candidates that work for Sun were elected. So you were saying..?
So what's the bug number for this? Then we could vote for it. Did you post this in MozillaZine's Bug Forum?
Apart from this, there is the often overlooked problem that apps from one platform that are somehow ran on the other totally don't adhere to the "host platform" UI guidelines and conventions. This may also be part of the reason there aren't many popular GUI Java apps (Sun has published Java L&F design guidelines though). Applications that look and behave "strange" are less likely to be accepted by users.
The only way to express your concern about this, is to vote! Just click on the bug below and do it...
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I guess the Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam is not doing so bad then. We have the MultiVLA (Dutch) project for visualisation of molecules etc. It involves 6 beamers and a big empty wall. (think DVD! ;) Students of the new interdisciplinary course Medical Natural Sciences get to use this stuff.
I don't understand why people are advocating the use of RTF. RTF is nice until the document contains pictures. You thought ~200k Word documents sucked? Wait what 1,5MB RTF attachments do to your disk quota!
.doc. Nonetheless the sending of attachments should be kept to a bare minimum. Documents that are to be shared should be put on some webserver (when available) and a hyperlink should be mailed so the recipient can get the file at his own convenience.
The nice thing about PDF is that it, in the majority of cases, is smaller in size than