OK, it's safe to assume that they'll take some precaution in building your AI toaster. Your home thermostat. Your smart vibrator... There isn't much financial incentive to do evil.
But wouldn't it be tempting to bid on a 5 billion dollar contract for weaponized AI ? Every government will want one.
I don't know who this Atkinson is that you speak of.
Dr. Atkins made it crystal clear that fat is essential. Additionally he pointed out that too much protein will be converted by the body into carbohydrate. Eat only normal amounts.
If you are aware of any of the popular diets since Atkins, you know that they tend to agree. I've done Atkins for 30 years, my brother does Paleo which is similar. Here are some others: New Diet Revolution; Carbohydrate Addicts Diet; the Zone; Sugar Busters!; Protein Power, Mediterranean, etc.
For about a century, the Price-Pottenger Nutrition Foundation has been preaching a similar diet based upon studies of animals and humans around the world. They became particularly interested in Inuit people who lived largely on whale blubber and had little access to vegetables at that time. Before they adopted a Western diet they were very healthy. Not so healthy these days.
Neither Atkins nor I have all the answers for all the body types that exist. It sounds like you think you do.
Nicotine is closely related to choline- a popular aid to mental performance. Users have discovered that it can help with memory and test performance in college. Nicotine is shown to reduce stress in various environments such as noisy factory settings. It is addictive in the same way that protein, caffeine and sweets are. In other words, it's a very mild craving and closely related to the stress of your lifestyle.
Yes, it is one of over 100 ingredients in cigarets that may be harmful in some sense. Nevertheless, you will some day see nicotine as a dietary supplement that can enhance your cognition and improve your life. Don't be a sucker for the emotional and ignorant anti smoke fanatics. Here on Slashdot at least, there should be some room for science.
Less fat?!?!? These so-called scientists need to wake up. We've been brainwashed for over 30 years to avoid fat. How well has that worked? We're fatter than ever. Meanwhile, over 30 years ago a quiet voice in the void said we should avoid carbohydrates and eat much more fat. More than 30 million people listened to Dr. Atkins and those scientists who followed him and they are healthier than ever. Scientists have confirmed the less carbs / more fat plan but government and commercial interests are still pushing the low fat dogma.
It's not just your body that suffers from starchy foods, you are 40% more likely to develop dementia. Eat more fat, less carbs!
great reply slew; "Secondly, it is unclear if a "sense" of what types of moves are best is being learned"
I understand that it can be hard for a programmer to accept a program that doesn't lend it's 'thinking' to analysis. But I believe that until computers can sense things, they are not intelligent.
There is a corollary in the classroom. The children have a math problem. Most of them repeat the steps they have been taught and come up with the correct answer. But one or two look at the problem with a fuzzy logic. 'This number is about this big, divided by a number about half its size...' These children have a sense of the problem and they almost immediately have a rough estimate of the solution. They may then step through the rote process of solving the problem, or they may be able to take some shortcuts. Since they already have an estimate of the solution, their calculated solution should be close or they know to review their steps.
In physics and chemistry and medicine, it is not always be possible to calculate the exact answer to a question. Having a sense, guided by known rules and experience, may be better than having no precise solution. Only intelligence can do that.
Mr. Spock would complain when Kirk demanded an answer to a problem with too many questionable variables. "Guess!" Kirk would say. Reluctantly Spock would guess and of course he would be right (but that's fiction).
Bugs! they counted them, you know; took 'em ten years, using airplanes with nets and special radar. that's what they do; scientists from Israel, China and Britain. count bugs. short ones tall ones big ones small ones tasty or otherwise, bugs dominate. they surround us, they live on & in us they crawl, squirm, hop and fly by day, by night, while you sleep... bugs are bigger than we - total weight greater than all humanity. 7 trillion bugs fly over your head every year; spring and fall; far above your head up to a mile dropping tiny deposits on your head moving in wind at up to 35 M.P.H. 7 trillion bugs weigh 6,400 tons. as much as, try to imagine, 1,272 elephants flying over your house every year. if you could eat only half those bugs you would be well fed. but birds & bats would be deprived. Bugs!
The essence of intelligence is that it enables one to predict the outcome of a unique situation based upon an understanding of its essential elements.
Starting with only the rules of Go, Zero explored a variety of combinations, learning that some were more likely to give a satisfactory result. It developed a sense of what types of moves are best. Thus, without playing or studying an infinite number of games it could know the type of move that should be best in each unique situation.
Theoretically, a vast intelligence, given only the facts of the Big Bang, could anticipate most of the resulting evolution of our universe. Zero has taken the first small step.
Balance is essential in a fun game. New players should have time to get up to speed, but otherwise everyone is on a level playing field. The only distinguishing thing being the player's skill, reflexes, strategy or whatever skill the game demands.
I have faced a similar 'unfair' situation three times among chess players. Nobody literally paid for an advantage, but they did it indirectly.
Each time, a group of ordinary people discovered that we all knew how to play chess. Each time, none of us were expert. Each time we had a very enjoyable time exploring this game as a learning experience. Each time, people outside our group joined in, creating a group of 30-90 people. And each time it became competitive, and the fun slid out under the door.
Certain players, maybe 10%, began studying. Within two months substantial libraries were being accumulated. Money was wagered. Friends became enemies. A few players went on to become serious but the vast majority lost interest and left the group. What could have been fun for all was compromised by those seeking an (unfair?) advantage.
There are also people who study to excel in Scrabble and spelling bees, etc. Let them compete against other anal retentive types and leave the fun contests to regular people.
If they keep getting smarter they may become as smart as octopuses. Brain size isn't everything. Until recently, the largest human brain ever measured was that of an idiot. Albert Einstein's brain reportedly weighed slightly below average at 1.23 kg.
"In fact, 100% of all energy used by anyone ends up as heat." Brilliant deduction!
Not sure what this has to do with the environmental cost in heat of Google's activities. Perhaps you are just asserting that you passed high school physics.
Another heat generator is bitcoin and similar schemes. How much heat is generated by a single bitcoin today... and tomorrow? If energy were free and we could recklessly consume all we want, how would that effect the environment?
When the Klingons come to get us, they will be looking for the heat signature of a planet that has learned how to use energy, but has not yet learned to use it wisely.
So when we say that Google consumes as much energy as a major city, we are talking about a lot of energy. Presumably most of that is going to data centers. And much of that seems to be serving our search and other needs as well as supporting the company with advertising income. Yes, some of that prodigious capability is accumulating our individual online history and no doubt it is constantly being massaged, updated and 'improved' for the benefit of their paying customers. A great deal of energy, and enough of it benefits us that we are willing to overlook the cost.
A cost that hasn't been considered is that of heat. A city generates a great deal of heat, as does Google. Even 'free' renewable energy generates heat. Heat (and the necessary cooling of equipment, which creates more heat) is becoming a major concern. The manufacture of solar and wind energy collectors also creates heat as does the manufacture of computing devices. Improvements in engineering will make servers more efficient, less wasteful of energy, but the need for massively more computing power will continue to increase the heat generated by Google and all the others.
So, presumably a human will not need a driver license for such a vehicle. Thus we can expect children, drunks, and senile seniors to travel freely. Somehow that seems worrisome for reasons other than traffic safety.
But, again, the first buyers will likely be 'ride hail' companies, and rent-a-car businesses. Children without an approved account will be stuck at home. Legislation is likely to manage their use as well.
The security of the rented vehicle will be a concern. Cameras will be on to record (and charge the customer for) drunks vomiting, drinks spilling and children using crayons. The Johnny Cab could become a disgusting travel choice, but far more affordable than today's options.
Try it yourself: Stand straight, feet side by side. Prepare to walk. First you will have to shift your weight to one side so that the foot on the other side can be raised. Balance, lift leg, move that leg forward. Did you notice that when moving that leg forward your body moves back to maintain balance? Did you notice your arms moving? Think about how your arms move while walking- do you fully understand what is happening there?
Riding a bicycle is too hard to think about. Playing a violin is... The reality is that we do many things in life without conscious awareness. Thinking is not only NOT required, it is counterproductive. We depend upon reflex actions that are a result of repeated practice. Coding isn't that special.
We can't know if our overlords believe in the same God(s) that we do, but we know that God can do anything. Quantum fiddling is child's play for Him (or Her). The only question is this: Can God make a jalapeno so HOT that even He can't eat it?
And yet the Rolex is the lowest cost premium watch on the market. Common people like us often buy them. If you want a really exotic watch you will have to pay far more than the Rolex price.
Nobody is complaining about the cost of these watches. These watches that do practically nothing for their owners. Why complain about this iPhone?
Isn't it obvious? The 'notch' screams QUALITY so loud that even non techies are eager to part with their $1,000. Combined with the clearly identifiable Apple Watch, these proud owners will turn their noses up at the rest of us unwashed common folk.
You should read the link you posted before displaying your ignorance. Among other things it says:
"Much research is also being done on the surface chemistry of neural implants in effort to design products which minimize all negative effects that an active implant can have on the brain, and that the body can have on the function of the implant."
Why do you suppose these people are wasting time and money in this research when all the answers have been found (according to you)?
Wrong. The main barrier is that nobody has found a way to connect electronic circuits to neural tissue in a sustainable way. The body rejects that shit sooner or later. Without that, there can never be a useful computer brain interface. This is your chance for a Nobel prize- make it happen!
Xylitol sweetener kills h pylori, a bacteria that causes tooth decay and gastric ulcers. This has been known for a long time. Ask your toothpaste maker why they don't sweeten the product with xylitol. Note also that xylitol does not cause a big jump in blood glucose & insulin like many sweeteners. Taste is OK, better than stevia. And to top it off, you don't have to pay the premium price for a patented product.
Advertising anywhere is wasteful. The problem for all those advertisers is that they are selling commodities. Products and services that are indistinguishable from (or inferior to) their competitors.
The solution for those people is simply to produce a better product. As we hear daily on this site; Apple didn't invent the music player, the cell phone or the tablet device--but they made them better. They made them compellingly functional and attractive. While HP, Compaq, IBM and others were assembling generic parts into ugly desktop boxes, Apple was offering colorful, graceful computers that just happened to appear on every interesting TV show. Many consumers were influenced by the look and a growing reputation for ease of use, reliability and service after the sale.
Smart Americans are buying more Toyotas, Nissans, Hyundais and fewer Chevys and Chryslers. Nissans? Damn, most are UGLY! But they have a good reputation for reliability. I bought a Papa John's pizza today- their slogan: Better Ingredients, Better Pizza.
It works the other way too. Walmart has a reputation for lowest prices, which is enough to bring in hordes of buyers. Nordstrom's has a reputation for quality and service that places them high in retail sales. Radio Shack had a market niche that faded away and they couldn't adapt. Every seller needs a unique place in the market or they will have to advertise like crazy.
So long as there are commodities, there will be sales costs. The best investment for products is not advertising, but R&D topped off with functional and/or fashionable design principles. And IP protection. And reputation over the long term.
Many businesses have only one feature to support their business model: TRUST. Symantec is one. Equifax another. All the financial firms: Merrill Lynch, Wells Fargo, B of A... Some manufacturers: Volkswagen, Gerber baby products, Mylan pharmaceuticals... Many of these and more have disgraced themselves at some time and somehow survived; the others are forgotten.
They may have many products & services, or only a few, but without TRUST they have nothing.
Darn right! After all, the good ole USA would never tamper with other governments or overthrow elected leaders or cause countless deaths in manipulating foreign leadership. The US would never arm terrorists, support drug cartels or cause economic damage to other nations.
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hey angel
I'd love to argue with you about this in person, but slashdot isn't ideal.
good day
OK, it's safe to assume that they'll take some precaution in building your AI toaster. Your home thermostat. Your smart vibrator... There isn't much financial incentive to do evil.
But wouldn't it be tempting to bid on a 5 billion dollar contract for weaponized AI ? Every government will want one.
I don't know who this Atkinson is that you speak of.
Dr. Atkins made it crystal clear that fat is essential. Additionally he pointed out that too much protein will be converted by the body into carbohydrate. Eat only normal amounts.
If you are aware of any of the popular diets since Atkins, you know that they tend to agree. I've done Atkins for 30 years, my brother does Paleo which is similar. Here are some others: New Diet Revolution; Carbohydrate Addicts Diet; the Zone; Sugar Busters!; Protein Power, Mediterranean, etc.
For about a century, the Price-Pottenger Nutrition Foundation has been preaching a similar diet based upon studies of animals and humans around the world. They became particularly interested in Inuit people who lived largely on whale blubber and had little access to vegetables at that time. Before they adopted a Western diet they were very healthy. Not so healthy these days.
Neither Atkins nor I have all the answers for all the body types that exist.
It sounds like you think you do.
Nicotine is closely related to choline- a popular aid to mental performance. Users have discovered that it can help with memory and test performance in college. Nicotine is shown to reduce stress in various environments such as noisy factory settings. It is addictive in the same way that protein, caffeine and sweets are. In other words, it's a very mild craving and closely related to the stress of your lifestyle.
Yes, it is one of over 100 ingredients in cigarets that may be harmful in some sense. Nevertheless, you will some day see nicotine as a dietary supplement that can enhance your cognition and improve your life. Don't be a sucker for the emotional and ignorant anti smoke fanatics. Here on Slashdot at least, there should be some room for science.
Less fat?!?!? These so-called scientists need to wake up. We've been brainwashed for over 30 years to avoid fat. How well has that worked? We're fatter than ever. Meanwhile, over 30 years ago a quiet voice in the void said we should avoid carbohydrates and eat much more fat. More than 30 million people listened to Dr. Atkins and those scientists who followed him and they are healthier than ever. Scientists have confirmed the less carbs / more fat plan but government and commercial interests are still pushing the low fat dogma.
It's not just your body that suffers from starchy foods, you are 40% more likely to develop dementia. Eat more fat, less carbs!
I'm sorry, did I say it was unfair? I thought I had written "(unfair?)". Perhaps you forgot your glasses.
You're welcome to it. I don't play against chess masters or raw beginners. I seek people near but somewhat better than my own ability.
great reply slew;
"Secondly, it is unclear if a "sense" of what types of moves are best is being learned"
I understand that it can be hard for a programmer to accept a program that doesn't lend it's 'thinking' to analysis. But I believe that until computers can sense things, they are not intelligent.
There is a corollary in the classroom. The children have a math problem. Most of them repeat the steps they have been taught and come up with the correct answer. But one or two look at the problem with a fuzzy logic. 'This number is about this big, divided by a number about half its size...' These children have a sense of the problem and they almost immediately have a rough estimate of the solution. They may then step through the rote process of solving the problem, or they may be able to take some shortcuts. Since they already have an estimate of the solution, their calculated solution should be close or they know to review their steps.
In physics and chemistry and medicine, it is not always be possible to calculate the exact answer to a question. Having a sense, guided by known rules and experience, may be better than having no precise solution. Only intelligence can do that.
Mr. Spock would complain when Kirk demanded an answer to a problem with too many questionable variables. "Guess!" Kirk would say. Reluctantly Spock would guess and of course he would be right (but that's fiction).
copyright t. swell
Bugs!
they counted them,
you know;
took 'em ten years, using
airplanes
with nets and special
radar.
that's what they do;
scientists
from Israel, China and
Britain.
count bugs.
short ones tall ones big ones
small ones
tasty or otherwise, bugs
dominate.
they surround us, they live
on & in us
they crawl, squirm, hop
and fly
by day, by night, while
you sleep...
bugs
are bigger than we -
total weight greater than
all humanity.
7 trillion bugs fly over
your head
every year; spring
and fall;
far above your head
up to a mile
dropping tiny deposits
on your head
moving in wind at up to
35 M.P.H.
7 trillion bugs weigh
6,400 tons.
as much as, try to
imagine,
1,272 elephants
flying over your house
every year.
if you could eat only half
those bugs
you would be well fed.
but birds & bats would be
deprived.
Bugs!
The essence of intelligence is that it enables one to predict the outcome of a unique situation based upon an understanding of its essential elements.
Starting with only the rules of Go, Zero explored a variety of combinations, learning that some were more likely to give a satisfactory result. It developed a sense of what types of moves are best. Thus, without playing or studying an infinite number of games it could know the type of move that should be best in each unique situation.
Theoretically, a vast intelligence, given only the facts of the Big Bang, could anticipate most of the resulting evolution of our universe. Zero has taken the first small step.
Balance is essential in a fun game. New players should have time to get up to speed, but otherwise everyone is on a level playing field. The only distinguishing thing being the player's skill, reflexes, strategy or whatever skill the game demands.
I have faced a similar 'unfair' situation three times among chess players. Nobody literally paid for an advantage, but they did it indirectly.
Each time, a group of ordinary people discovered that we all knew how to play chess. Each time, none of us were expert. Each time we had a very enjoyable time exploring this game as a learning experience. Each time, people outside our group joined in, creating a group of 30-90 people. And each time it became competitive, and the fun slid out under the door.
Certain players, maybe 10%, began studying. Within two months substantial libraries were being accumulated. Money was wagered. Friends became enemies. A few players went on to become serious but the vast majority lost interest and left the group. What could have been fun for all was compromised by those seeking an (unfair?) advantage.
There are also people who study to excel in Scrabble and spelling bees, etc. Let them compete against other anal retentive types and leave the fun contests to regular people.
If they keep getting smarter they may become as smart as octopuses. Brain size isn't everything. Until recently, the largest human brain ever measured was that of an idiot. Albert Einstein's brain reportedly weighed slightly below average at 1.23 kg.
"In fact, 100% of all energy used by anyone ends up as heat."
Brilliant deduction!
Not sure what this has to do with the environmental cost in heat of Google's activities. Perhaps you are just asserting that you passed high school physics.
Another heat generator is bitcoin and similar schemes. How much heat is generated by a single bitcoin today ... and tomorrow? If energy were free and we could recklessly consume all we want, how would that effect the environment?
When the Klingons come to get us, they will be looking for the heat signature of a planet that has learned how to use energy, but has not yet learned to use it wisely.
So when we say that Google consumes as much energy as a major city, we are talking about a lot of energy. Presumably most of that is going to data centers. And much of that seems to be serving our search and other needs as well as supporting the company with advertising income. Yes, some of that prodigious capability is accumulating our individual online history and no doubt it is constantly being massaged, updated and 'improved' for the benefit of their paying customers. A great deal of energy, and enough of it benefits us that we are willing to overlook the cost.
A cost that hasn't been considered is that of heat. A city generates a great deal of heat, as does Google. Even 'free' renewable energy generates heat. Heat (and the necessary cooling of equipment, which creates more heat) is becoming a major concern. The manufacture of solar and wind energy collectors also creates heat as does the manufacture of computing devices. Improvements in engineering will make servers more efficient, less wasteful of energy, but the need for massively more computing power will continue to increase the heat generated by Google and all the others.
So, presumably a human will not need a driver license for such a vehicle. Thus we can expect children, drunks, and senile seniors to travel freely. Somehow that seems worrisome for reasons other than traffic safety.
But, again, the first buyers will likely be 'ride hail' companies, and rent-a-car businesses. Children without an approved account will be stuck at home. Legislation is likely to manage their use as well.
The security of the rented vehicle will be a concern. Cameras will be on to record (and charge the customer for) drunks vomiting, drinks spilling and children using crayons. The Johnny Cab could become a disgusting travel choice, but far more affordable than today's options.
Try it yourself: Stand straight, feet side by side. Prepare to walk. First you will have to shift your weight to one side so that the foot on the other side can be raised. Balance, lift leg, move that leg forward. Did you notice that when moving that leg forward your body moves back to maintain balance? Did you notice your arms moving? Think about how your arms move while walking- do you fully understand what is happening there?
Riding a bicycle is too hard to think about. Playing a violin is... The reality is that we do many things in life without conscious awareness. Thinking is not only NOT required, it is counterproductive. We depend upon reflex actions that are a result of repeated practice. Coding isn't that special.
We can't know if our overlords believe in the same God(s) that we do, but we know that God can do anything. Quantum fiddling is child's play for Him (or Her). The only question is this: Can God make a jalapeno so HOT that even He can't eat it?
A Rolex watch costs far more, does far less.
And yet the Rolex is the lowest cost premium watch on the market. Common people like us often buy them. If you want a really exotic watch you will have to pay far more than the Rolex price.
Nobody is complaining about the cost of these watches. These watches that do practically nothing for their owners. Why complain about this iPhone?
Superkid !
Yo, isn't it the mutations that allow genetic improvements? Now how can we get the Mothers to contribute more mutations and do their fair share?
Isn't it obvious? The 'notch' screams QUALITY so loud that even non techies are eager to part with their $1,000. Combined with the clearly identifiable Apple Watch, these proud owners will turn their noses up at the rest of us unwashed common folk.
You should read the link you posted before displaying your ignorance. Among other things it says:
"Much research is also being done on the surface chemistry of neural implants in effort to design products which minimize all negative effects that an active implant can have on the brain, and that the body can have on the function of the implant."
Why do you suppose these people are wasting time and money in this research when all the answers have been found (according to you)?
Wrong. The main barrier is that nobody has found a way to connect electronic circuits to neural tissue in a sustainable way. The body rejects that shit sooner or later. Without that, there can never be a useful computer brain interface. This is your chance for a Nobel prize- make it happen!
Xylitol sweetener kills h pylori, a bacteria that causes tooth decay and gastric ulcers. This has been known for a long time. Ask your toothpaste maker why they don't sweeten the product with xylitol. Note also that xylitol does not cause a big jump in blood glucose & insulin like many sweeteners. Taste is OK, better than stevia. And to top it off, you don't have to pay the premium price for a patented product.
Advertising anywhere is wasteful. The problem for all those advertisers is that they are selling commodities. Products and services that are indistinguishable from (or inferior to) their competitors.
The solution for those people is simply to produce a better product. As we hear daily on this site; Apple didn't invent the music player, the cell phone or the tablet device--but they made them better. They made them compellingly functional and attractive. While HP, Compaq, IBM and others were assembling generic parts into ugly desktop boxes, Apple was offering colorful, graceful computers that just happened to appear on every interesting TV show. Many consumers were influenced by the look and a growing reputation for ease of use, reliability and service after the sale.
Smart Americans are buying more Toyotas, Nissans, Hyundais and fewer Chevys and Chryslers. Nissans? Damn, most are UGLY! But they have a good reputation for reliability. I bought a Papa John's pizza today- their slogan: Better Ingredients, Better Pizza.
It works the other way too. Walmart has a reputation for lowest prices, which is enough to bring in hordes of buyers. Nordstrom's has a reputation for quality and service that places them high in retail sales. Radio Shack had a market niche that faded away and they couldn't adapt. Every seller needs a unique place in the market or they will have to advertise like crazy.
So long as there are commodities, there will be sales costs. The best investment for products is not advertising, but R&D topped off with functional and/or fashionable design principles. And IP protection. And reputation over the long term.
Many businesses have only one feature to support their business model: TRUST. Symantec is one. Equifax another. All the financial firms: Merrill Lynch, Wells Fargo, B of A... Some manufacturers: Volkswagen, Gerber baby products, Mylan pharmaceuticals... Many of these and more have disgraced themselves at some time and somehow survived; the others are forgotten.
They may have many products & services, or only a few, but without TRUST they have nothing.
Darn right! After all, the good ole USA would never tamper with other governments or overthrow elected leaders or cause countless deaths in manipulating foreign leadership. The US would never arm terrorists, support drug cartels or cause economic damage to other nations.
We're the Good Guys! God Bless America!