"I thought they meant that it was going to be a new package format, like Mandrake decided to not use RPM and devolepped their own"
Well, you could mean urpmi - apt-get for RPMs, which works out and installs the required package dependencies - although Mandrake's had that since at least Mandrake 7.0.
"No need for a point or news, there's a manditory percentage of/. stories that have to be about linux somehow."
Well lets see how many comments get posted to this story (including yours!). Then we'll see how interested people are in it.
If you're not interested in the stories here, maybe you're in the wrong place. But then, you did click on the story, didn't you ? You did read at least one of the comments, didn't you ? (since you replied to it). And you did spend the time to post a comment, too.
"All this is is another way to get more money out of their users."
Download it for free, use it for free. Sounds fair enough to me.
But if you want to have some input as to what actually goes into the distribution, then join the Mandrake Club, which costs money.
Sounds like a great idea as far as I'm concerned, and I wish them luck with it.
I just wish (for their sake) they'd get the Boxed Sets ready earlier (before 90% of their users have already downloaded it for free) - or supply free updates with the boxed sets (maybe slip a "latest updates" CD into packages bought online, installed automatically as part of the installation process), or something else to make them more attractive to buyers. Although it is nice, in a way, to be able to say that supplying extra commercial apps just doesn't cut it anymore (with Star Office being the possible exception) - since the free apps are just too good in comparison.
Although I wouldn't really like to see it, they could also restrict downloading of ISOs to Mandrake Club members only until the boxed sets are ready. But I don't know whether they'd do this - they're pretty committed to the "free"-ness (as in speech) of (Gnu-)Linux.
Damn, if only all the unhappy people in the world had thought of this....
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"Since when do telephone systems maintain themselves?"
It's not just telephone systems.
Think about almost any complex engineering system. Many are computer-controlled nowadays.
But almost all of them, even those that aren't computer-controlled, are taken for granted by everyone. Transport, power generation and distribution, warehousing, running industrial plants, you name it.
When was the last time you praised the people that keep all these services running ?
But when they go wrong - the power goes off, there's no produce on the shelves to buy, roads are closed or flights are badly delayed - there's millions of people jumping up and down and demanding the situation be sought out straight away.
When IT isn't a hobby or an "entertainment medium" it's nothing more than a tool to get a job done. I know how difficult it can be to work in IT, but I've got to look at some of the responses here, compare them to the jobs of people working in some other industries, and think: "what a bunch of whingers".
Re:Given up on Mandrake
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Well it's not as though your average newbie is going to want to set up two IP addresses for the same machine, is it ?
If you want to set up something like that you've obviously got some level of knowledge about TCP/IP networking (i.e. which packets you want to route via which interface, etc.).
I don't think Mandrake should write GUI tools to support every little tweak a user might want to do. Just provide a GUI interface for the most common, and most useful, functions.
Good luck on finding a GUI facility for doing this on Xandros.
And yes, the Mandrake tools could be improved - when everything works, they work fine, but their handling of error conditions (e.g. timeouts on non-responsive mirror sites) could be improved. But they're getting there.
Mandrake has had some bad QA problems in the past. But here again, they're improving. I've heard lots of complaints that Mandrake 9.0 wasn't much of an "advance" on 8.2. But is far is I'm concerned, they updated a lot of software (KDE 3, Gnome 2, etc.) and put out a much more solid release.
And all this while having the number of people they employ cut quite drastically.
"They are simply people with zero self-esteem....."
So you think you can just shake off low self-esteem by "getting off your ass" ? It's that easy, huh ? Why do you think people get addicted to other "real" addictions in the first place ?
"Any serious problems that strike these people and their families are brought on by themselves"
Does this include the victims of other "real" addictions ? Any why the hell do their families deserve any of the problems ?
A justification for technology, not a reason
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From the article: "If you live in a city for instance, there are many who pass within a few yards of you each day who could give you a ride home, buy an item you're trying to sell, or consider you as dating material."
So why not open your mouth and talk to some of them ?
"Now we have too many deer, and because of too many deer problems arise, like chronic wasting disease."
Good job there isn't a human over-population problem anywhere in the world, isn't it ? No doubt you could use your extensive medical knowledge to tell us what might occur if that were to happen.
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"I am already tremendously more productive.....than I ever could be with the open source equivalents"
If you'd said "I am already tremendously more productive.....than I would currently be with the open source equivalents" I could believe this as a valid opinion.
So what is it about open source software that will mean it will never get that way ?
Compare the useability of Microsoft Windows 95 (especially OSR2 with the desktop shell) with Linux of the same vintage.
No contest.
But since then ?
Marginal improvements to Windows useability. Huge improvements with Linux (and other open-source OS) useability.
OK, so it's not quite there yet - but it won't be long.
And perhaps if your mom wants to send e-mail from overseas she could use the popular "web browser" interface on a web-based e-mail system. I'm sure even your mom could manage that;)
If I smash up my car, am I entitled to a free "backup"?
I don't understand the analogy with mod chips.
What about: "If I buy a car, am I allowed to fit whatever components I like to it to make it perform better? Or can Ford/GM/whoever prevent me from doing so, and force me only to use their components ?"
"... the spammers will move abroad, to countries where it is not illegal."
This seems to suggest that you think the people who actually send most of the spam are from the US.
"How much would it cost to extradite Koreans and Chinese for spamming - thousands of them a year??"
So why are you now blaming non-US-ians ?
Isn't one of the main problems with spam that it uses up everyone's time and resources. So if much of the spam is sent from the US, via Korean/Chinese/whatever open relays, don't the Koreans/Chinese/whatever sys admins have a valid point that their time and resources are being used up by US-ians, too ?
Yeah, they should do more to fix the problem. But if they write/e-mailed you in Korean/Chinese/whatever, how would you respond ? But many people expect them to respond to e-mails written in English.
You're just lumping Koreans/Chinese/whatever all together as one big lump of people. Why shouldn't the Koreans/Chinese/whatever do the same with US-ians, and figure that if US-ians are abusing their computer systems, let US-ians suffer because of it, in the hope that eventually the US will do something to stop the problem AT ITS SOURCE.
"The one shining example of this is FreeBSD, which is based totally on low level C programs"
So how, exactly, is this different to other UNIX-based operating systems such as the other BSDs, and Linux ? OK, not all the applications may be written in C, but then the same is true with FreeBSD. Perhaps the best (biggest ?) example of non-C (C++) software is KDE - which, of course, runs on FreeBSD.
"...they stress using legacy program methodologies in place of the fancy schmancy new ones which are faulty"
So all new programming methodologies are faulty ? Is this really why complex modern software is buggy ?
"The proof is in the pudding, as they say, when you look at the speed and quality if FreeBSD, as opposed to some of the slow ponderous OS's like Windows XP or Mac OSX"
The quality of MacOS X is a problem ? As opposed to FreeBSD ? And what OS family is MacOS X based on ?
"The one shining example of this is FreeBSD, which is based totally on low level C programs and they stress using legacy program methodologies in place of the fancy schmancy new ones which are faulty."
Lol, good trolling - I see you're still getting mod points, too. Some moderators will never learn.
You used Stormfront as an example of the sort of hate sites out there. If we follow that link, and go to the site, we can see the sort of crap they're trying to peddle.
However, if this measure is passed, we in Europe will no longer be able to go to that sort of site to see what they're talking about. We won't be able to see the sort of hate they're peddling. We'll just have to accept the vague words of whoever banned the site: "Oh, it's nasty stuff, and you don't want to be looking at stuff like that - so don't worry, we're protecting you from it".
By providing a link to an example - a link which this law will outlaw - you've proved just how silly the law is.
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"I thought they meant that it was going to be a new package format, like Mandrake decided to not use RPM and devolepped their own"
Well, you could mean urpmi - apt-get for RPMs, which works out and installs the required package dependencies - although Mandrake's had that since at least Mandrake 7.0.
"No need for a point or news, there's a manditory percentage of /. stories that have to be about linux somehow."
Well lets see how many comments get posted to this story (including yours!). Then we'll see how interested people are in it.
If you're not interested in the stories here, maybe you're in the wrong place. But then, you did click on the story, didn't you ? You did read at least one of the comments, didn't you ? (since you replied to it). And you did spend the time to post a comment, too.
"All this is is another way to get more money out of their users."
Download it for free, use it for free. Sounds fair enough to me.
But if you want to have some input as to what actually goes into the distribution, then join the Mandrake Club, which costs money.
Sounds like a great idea as far as I'm concerned, and I wish them luck with it.
I just wish (for their sake) they'd get the Boxed Sets ready earlier (before 90% of their users have already downloaded it for free) - or supply free updates with the boxed sets (maybe slip a "latest updates" CD into packages bought online, installed automatically as part of the installation process), or something else to make them more attractive to buyers. Although it is nice, in a way, to be able to say that supplying extra commercial apps just doesn't cut it anymore (with Star Office being the possible exception) - since the free apps are just too good in comparison.
Although I wouldn't really like to see it, they could also restrict downloading of ISOs to Mandrake Club members only until the boxed sets are ready. But I don't know whether they'd do this - they're pretty committed to the "free"-ness (as in speech) of (Gnu-)Linux.
Well I hope she wasn't enhanced digitally.....
But telling Slashdot won't achieve much - most people here already have a particular opinion on the RIAA.
Good luck with getting the message across to the public at large, to people who matter, and to people who make and shape laws.
"- Smile a lot. Be happy."
Damn, if only all the unhappy people in the world had thought of this....
"Since when do telephone systems maintain themselves?"
It's not just telephone systems.
Think about almost any complex engineering system. Many are computer-controlled nowadays.
But almost all of them, even those that aren't computer-controlled, are taken for granted by everyone. Transport, power generation and distribution, warehousing, running industrial plants, you name it.
When was the last time you praised the people that keep all these services running ?
But when they go wrong - the power goes off, there's no produce on the shelves to buy, roads are closed or flights are badly delayed - there's millions of people jumping up and down and demanding the situation be sought out straight away.
When IT isn't a hobby or an "entertainment medium" it's nothing more than a tool to get a job done. I know how difficult it can be to work in IT, but I've got to look at some of the responses here, compare them to the jobs of people working in some other industries, and think: "what a bunch of whingers".
Well it's not as though your average newbie is going to want to set up two IP addresses for the same machine, is it ?
;)
If you want to set up something like that you've obviously got some level of knowledge about TCP/IP networking (i.e. which packets you want to route via which interface, etc.).
I don't think Mandrake should write GUI tools to support every little tweak a user might want to do. Just provide a GUI interface for the most common, and most useful, functions.
Good luck on finding a GUI facility for doing this on Xandros.
And yes, the Mandrake tools could be improved - when everything works, they work fine, but their handling of error conditions (e.g. timeouts on non-responsive mirror sites) could be improved. But they're getting there.
Mandrake has had some bad QA problems in the past. But here again, they're improving. I've heard lots of complaints that Mandrake 9.0 wasn't much of an "advance" on 8.2. But is far is I'm concerned, they updated a lot of software (KDE 3, Gnome 2, etc.) and put out a much more solid release.
And all this while having the number of people they employ cut quite drastically.
So hats off to Mandrake. (including red ones
"They are simply people with zero self-esteem....."
So you think you can just shake off low self-esteem by "getting off your ass" ? It's that easy, huh ? Why do you think people get addicted to other "real" addictions in the first place ?
"Any serious problems that strike these people and their families are brought on by themselves"
Does this include the victims of other "real" addictions ? Any why the hell do their families deserve any of the problems ?
From the article: "If you live in a city for instance, there are many who pass within a few yards of you each day who could give you a ride home, buy an item you're trying to sell, or consider you as dating material."
So why not open your mouth and talk to some of them ?
My ISP is Pipex (I'm in the UK) and from time to time even their Managing Director takes part in the forums on ADSLGuide.co.uk.
.....oh, alright then, I'm with them because they're cheap ;)
I like to see this sort of interaction from an ISP, and it's one of the reasons I'm with them.
But it's nice to see a large ISP with a healthy attitude towards their customers.
"Now we have too many deer, and because of too many deer problems arise, like chronic wasting disease."
Good job there isn't a human over-population problem anywhere in the world, isn't it ? No doubt you could use your extensive medical knowledge to tell us what might occur if that were to happen.
"I am already tremendously more productive.....than I ever could be with the open source equivalents"
;)
If you'd said "I am already tremendously more productive.....than I would currently be with the open source equivalents" I could believe this as a valid opinion.
So what is it about open source software that will mean it will never get that way ?
Compare the useability of Microsoft Windows 95 (especially OSR2 with the desktop shell) with Linux of the same vintage.
No contest.
But since then ?
Marginal improvements to Windows useability. Huge improvements with Linux (and other open-source OS) useability.
OK, so it's not quite there yet - but it won't be long.
And perhaps if your mom wants to send e-mail from overseas she could use the popular "web browser" interface on a web-based e-mail system. I'm sure even your mom could manage that
Check out Byte's current situation.
If I smash up my car, am I entitled to a free "backup"?
I don't understand the analogy with mod chips.
What about: "If I buy a car, am I allowed to fit whatever components I like to it to make it perform better? Or can Ford/GM/whoever prevent me from doing so, and force me only to use their components ?"
are here.
"I WANT to talk to the pretty girl..... I'm probably the first person to actually talk to her..."
Huh ?
Like guys never talks to pretty girls...
"... the spammers will move abroad, to countries where it is not illegal."
This seems to suggest that you think the people who actually send most of the spam are from the US.
"How much would it cost to extradite Koreans and Chinese for spamming - thousands of them a year??"
So why are you now blaming non-US-ians ?
Isn't one of the main problems with spam that it uses up everyone's time and resources. So if much of the spam is sent from the US, via Korean/Chinese/whatever open relays, don't the Koreans/Chinese/whatever sys admins have a valid point that their time and resources are being used up by US-ians, too ?
Yeah, they should do more to fix the problem. But if they write/e-mailed you in Korean/Chinese/whatever, how would you respond ? But many people expect them to respond to e-mails written in English.
You're just lumping Koreans/Chinese/whatever all together as one big lump of people. Why shouldn't the Koreans/Chinese/whatever do the same with US-ians, and figure that if US-ians are abusing their computer systems, let US-ians suffer because of it, in the hope that eventually the US will do something to stop the problem AT ITS SOURCE.
No, the parent post is not offtopic.
"The one shining example of this is FreeBSD, which is based totally on low level C programs"
So how, exactly, is this different to other UNIX-based operating systems such as the other BSDs, and Linux ? OK, not all the applications may be written in C, but then the same is true with FreeBSD. Perhaps the best (biggest ?) example of non-C (C++) software is KDE - which, of course, runs on FreeBSD.
"...they stress using legacy program methodologies in place of the fancy schmancy new ones which are faulty"
So all new programming methodologies are faulty ? Is this really why complex modern software is buggy ?
"The proof is in the pudding, as they say, when you look at the speed and quality if FreeBSD, as opposed to some of the slow ponderous OS's like Windows XP or Mac OSX"
The quality of MacOS X is a problem ? As opposed to FreeBSD ? And what OS family is MacOS X based on ?
"The one shining example of this is FreeBSD, which is based totally on low level C programs and they stress using legacy program methodologies in place of the fancy schmancy new ones which are faulty."
Lol, good trolling - I see you're still getting mod points, too. Some moderators will never learn.
Troll ???
Just to clarify: You do know the meaning of quotation marks, and you are referring to the poster of the original story, right ?
Alternatively, you could update to the latest version of BIND.
From the advisory:
"BIND 9 was not affected by any of the vulnerabilities described in this advisory."
"...is the person just trying to inform everybody that there is a problem with Fujitsu drives?"
Well, judging by his user details:
User #624901
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Have Fujitsu Harddrives Been Failing in Record Numbers? on 12/11/02 18:06
that's exactly what he's trying to do.
Sounds a bit fishy to me. He wouldn't happen to work for a competitor, do you think?
Em-Manuel ?
Don't mind him......he's from Barcelona...
You used Stormfront as an example of the sort of hate sites out there. If we follow that link, and go to the site, we can see the sort of crap they're trying to peddle.
However, if this measure is passed, we in Europe will no longer be able to go to that sort of site to see what they're talking about. We won't be able to see the sort of hate they're peddling. We'll just have to accept the vague words of whoever banned the site: "Oh, it's nasty stuff, and you don't want to be looking at stuff like that - so don't worry, we're protecting you from it".
By providing a link to an example - a link which this law will outlaw - you've proved just how silly the law is.