"I'd love to see the modeling on this stuff, as they have some super computer up the road at UCSC probably grinding away on massive simulations this very minute, but it'd probably look less like those beautiful Hubble shots and more like a stack of paper covered with numbers."
I can sum it up for you pretty quickly.. the answer is 42.
Now THAT is some fine editing. Do they not realize that X is a roman numeral? I know that oh-ess-ex sounds cooler in that "TO THE X-TREME!" kind of sense, but you might want to actually figure out how to SAY the name of the product you're publishing a review of in the New York Times.
Yeah, this would cut down on spam in much the same way that having stamps has drastically reduced the amount of junkmail that shows up at my home every day..
Right.
And what about all those innocent email lists, etc that are out there on a subscription basis? Would those be taxed as well? Because that would cut down on ALL email, not just the SPAM. And face it, email IS pretty much the killer app of the Internet, even though the web is what gets all the attention.
It's true.. Flight Sims were once THE game that really seemed to push technology, much in the same way that FPS games are now the basis of comparison for computing horsepower.
Every game that was on my lust-list was generally either a Flight Sim or an Adventure back then.
I'll never forget when Falcon 3.0 came out, finding out that I needed a Math co-processor in order to play at the highest quality level. It was a sad, sad day, let me tell you.
(on a side note, I can't believe they didn't mention Leisure Suit Larry. C'mon?! How could you miss that one??)
But they didn't say they stopped SELLING the 15" iMac, they said they've stopped PRODUCING it.
They can pump out a whole hell of a lot of those things, and I guess they much just have a couple of big-ass warehouses full of them sitting somewhere.
I'm from St. John's, Newfoundland, but I've lived in Toronto for a couple of years now. I'd just like to add that I've often had trouble getting through security in St. John's. And that's pre-sept11 as well..
I don't know what it is with them, but they're super anal about pretty much everything. They made me turn every last piece of electronic equipement in my bag on my way back to TO during the holidays. And me being a gadget geek, that all adds up (pda, MD, camera, gameboy...). Not to mention the fact that they had one x-ray machine open. My flight left a full 2 hours late. I didn't board until a full hour after we were supposed to have been in the air.
I've never gotten through the big metal-detector without setting it off, and that was after living there for 20 years and done an above average amount of traveling.
*shrug* My gf and I have complained so many times about that airport, but I really never thought it would come to this. I want to go find Dr. Mann and talk to him about it!
Don't think all us Newfoundlanders are insane!
(hrm.. just realized what my sig says. there goes that theory)
"granted in order to RIP the music you sort of need to have bought the CD"
Not really.. You could borrow the CD from a friend, get it from the library (as mentioned in another post), or the trusty "Burn 'n Return". Although from what I've heard I don't think you can get away with that last one very often before..
So, you're saying that a machine intelligence that cannot be differentiated from a human intelligence is NOT actually intelligent?
What kind of backwards logic is that? Once we achieve the level of technological sophistication to be able to 'upload' a person's (say "Bob") brain into a computer, as far as I'm concerned Bob is now in the computer. It's not a mimic of Bob, it IS Bob. He'll still have all the same memories, the same personality, the same sense of humor.. He might be far most capable mentally than the old Bob. But does that mean he isn't Bob anymore?
I think it could be put a little better by saying that a robot (or whatever) achieves human level intelligence when you can't tell the difference anymore.
That's the whole idea behind the Turing Test ( http://cogsci.ucsd.edu/~asaygin/tt/ttest.html#intr o ). Basically if, during a blind testing session, a panel of human judges can't tell the difference between the robot and a human. Then it has reached human level intelligence.
Although, I think there are implications of your quote which do get into the whole philosophy of it. I don't think it's supposed to be taken exactly literally.
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100 billion (not million as was said in the post) neurons @ 20 Hz ~= 100 billion processors @ 20Hz..
If I understand the comparison of the brain to a computer that is..:) I just finished reading "The Age Of Spiritual Machines" last week, and now this story. Woohoo!
Perhaps I'm misinterpreting your comment, but he said indirectly using computers to create new life-forms.
I understood that to mean people using computers to do the research / computation involved with doing things like cloning. He didn't say a new _unique_ lifeform, just new... And of course, that sort of work is being done pretty extensively nowadays.
He could also be referring to AI of sorts as well, although I guess computers would be directly involved with that..:)
That's definately a good idea.. But why stop in College? I know that whenever I hear about something along these lines (online rights, etc) I automatically start informing people I know about it, regardless of whether they're educated in that area or not.
It seems perfectly normal for most of us/.'ers to read about these things, but most 'laypeople' are just getting informed by a knee-jerk reaction from the government / popular media. Keep that in mind!
Just last night I was watching 'Nova'. The main attention of the show was given to a group of astronomers from Australia who were observing supernovae in distant galaxies to determine the speed the universe is expanding.
Anyhoo, they made mention that another group (from Berkley I believe) were working on the same project. BUT, it was not a partnership, but rather a competition. The Aussies were worried because they had limited telescope time, and the Berkley people were going to be in there right after them.
That doesn't sound quite as friendly as the professional attitude you referred to.
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"I'd love to see the modeling on this stuff, as they have some super computer up the road at UCSC probably grinding away on massive simulations this very minute, but it'd probably look less like those beautiful Hubble shots and more like a stack of paper covered with numbers."
I can sum it up for you pretty quickly.. the answer is 42.
Now THAT is some fine editing. Do they not realize that X is a roman numeral? I know that oh-ess-ex sounds cooler in that "TO THE X-TREME!" kind of sense, but you might want to actually figure out how to SAY the name of the product you're publishing a review of in the New York Times.
or you could buy two sets of crappy ones like me and just swap them every couple of weeks. Not really a hassle..
Yeah, my thoughts exactly.
I wish it DID look more like the cassie. For $99 I'd expect something more than just a lack of a cord. meh.
Yeah, this would cut down on spam in much the same way that having stamps has drastically reduced the amount of junkmail that shows up at my home every day..
Right.
And what about all those innocent email lists, etc that are out there on a subscription basis? Would those be taxed as well? Because that would cut down on ALL email, not just the SPAM. And face it, email IS pretty much the killer app of the Internet, even though the web is what gets all the attention.
"disk" is shorthand for diskette damnit! :)
Only floppies are "disks".
It's true.. Flight Sims were once THE game that really seemed to push technology, much in the same way that FPS games are now the basis of comparison for computing horsepower.
Every game that was on my lust-list was generally either a Flight Sim or an Adventure back then.
I'll never forget when Falcon 3.0 came out, finding out that I needed a Math co-processor in order to play at the highest quality level. It was a sad, sad day, let me tell you.
(on a side note, I can't believe they didn't mention Leisure Suit Larry. C'mon?! How could you miss that one??)
yes.. feed us information. :)
I'm not really sure what the 'proper' way of getting the best life out of a liion battery either...
It IS a damn shame.. It's been my favorite magazine for years and years. I hope some of the writers keep doing what they do!
Actually, I believe I read the other day that the eMac was experiencing similar problems.
c .p hp
http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0209/27.ema
Of course, it's still irrelivant to the iMac.
But they didn't say they stopped SELLING the 15" iMac, they said they've stopped PRODUCING it.
They can pump out a whole hell of a lot of those things, and I guess they much just have a couple of big-ass warehouses full of them sitting somewhere.
I'm from St. John's, Newfoundland, but I've lived in Toronto for a couple of years now. I'd just like to add that I've often had trouble getting through security in St. John's. And that's pre-sept11 as well..
I don't know what it is with them, but they're super anal about pretty much everything. They made me turn every last piece of electronic equipement in my bag on my way back to TO during the holidays. And me being a gadget geek, that all adds up (pda, MD, camera, gameboy...). Not to mention the fact that they had one x-ray machine open. My flight left a full 2 hours late. I didn't board until a full hour after we were supposed to have been in the air.
I've never gotten through the big metal-detector without setting it off, and that was after living there for 20 years and done an above average amount of traveling.
*shrug* My gf and I have complained so many times about that airport, but I really never thought it would come to this. I want to go find Dr. Mann and talk to him about it!
Don't think all us Newfoundlanders are insane!
(hrm.. just realized what my sig says. there goes that theory)
"granted in order to RIP the music you sort of need to have bought the CD"
Not really.. You could borrow the CD from a friend, get it from the library (as mentioned in another post), or the trusty "Burn 'n Return". Although from what I've heard I don't think you can get away with that last one very often before..
We'll implant our new technology in their brains and MAKE them smart. Or do the opposite and plant their intelligence into a computer brain..
Either way dumb human becomes highly intelligent human.
If a human brain has 100 billion neurons running at 20Hz. What happens if we build a computer with 100 billion processors running at 50Hz?
So, you're saying that a machine intelligence that cannot be differentiated from a human intelligence is NOT actually intelligent?
What kind of backwards logic is that? Once we achieve the level of technological sophistication to be able to 'upload' a person's (say "Bob") brain into a computer, as far as I'm concerned Bob is now in the computer. It's not a mimic of Bob, it IS Bob. He'll still have all the same memories, the same personality, the same sense of humor.. He might be far most capable mentally than the old Bob. But does that mean he isn't Bob anymore?
(ouch.. my brain hurts)
I think it could be put a little better by saying that a robot (or whatever) achieves human level intelligence when you can't tell the difference anymore.
r o ). Basically if, during a blind testing session, a panel of human judges can't tell the difference between the robot and a human. Then it has reached human level intelligence.
That's the whole idea behind the Turing Test ( http://cogsci.ucsd.edu/~asaygin/tt/ttest.html#int
Although, I think there are implications of your quote which do get into the whole philosophy of it. I don't think it's supposed to be taken exactly literally.
100 billion (not million as was said in the post) neurons @ 20 Hz ~= 100 billion processors @ 20Hz..
:) I just finished reading "The Age Of Spiritual Machines" last week, and now this story. Woohoo!
If I understand the comparison of the brain to a computer that is..
yay! Fellow Newfoundlanders!
:)
I'm actually living in Toronto currently working for a software firm. But, it's nice to see something (at least partially) referencing NF on here.
I'm originally from a fairly small city. Now I'm living in downtown Toronto. Meteor showers aren't what they used to be.
Why can't this one be a week later? I'll be home for xmas then!
Booo-urns!
Are you saying that geeks are necessarily ugly? I beg to differ! Check out the hot undies that got thrown at me once!
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:)
http://members.rogers.com/wesleyhodgson/web/mis
Oh wait, I guess I AM an 31337 h4x0r afterall (if you're going to make fun, at least do it right), what with the CopyLeft shirt.
Of course!
:)
Perhaps I'm misinterpreting your comment, but he said indirectly using computers to create new life-forms.
I understood that to mean people using computers to do the research / computation involved with doing things like cloning. He didn't say a new _unique_ lifeform, just new... And of course, that sort of work is being done pretty extensively nowadays.
He could also be referring to AI of sorts as well, although I guess computers would be directly involved with that..
That's definately a good idea.. But why stop in College? I know that whenever I hear about something along these lines (online rights, etc) I automatically start informing people I know about it, regardless of whether they're educated in that area or not.
/.'ers to read about these things, but most 'laypeople' are just getting informed by a knee-jerk reaction from the government / popular media. Keep that in mind!
;)
It seems perfectly normal for most of us
Viva la revolution!
Wes
Just last night I was watching 'Nova'. The main attention of the show was given to a group of astronomers from Australia who were observing supernovae in distant galaxies to determine the speed the universe is expanding.
Anyhoo, they made mention that another group (from Berkley I believe) were working on the same project. BUT, it was not a partnership, but rather a competition. The Aussies were worried because they had limited telescope time, and the Berkley people were going to be in there right after them.
That doesn't sound quite as friendly as the professional attitude you referred to.
Wes
Wes