I happen to agree with you wholeheartedly. When the clock needs re-winding, the Earth tends to clense itself. It's a cyclical thing; happened before, it'll happen again.
And my buddy and I were working out how to scam them, we came up with several points. ..
1. Telephoto lenses and ad-on cameras? Stupid, stupid, stupid. Instead what you do is. ..
Hm. Actually, seeing as the idea hasn't been done and as it's frighteningly simple. . , I'm suddenly unwilling to post it on the web.
2. After coming up with a workable plan, we realized, "You know, this is a pretty terrible thing to do to people."
--If you look at all the little receipts which litter the immediate area around a machine, you quickly learn from the balances shown that the large majority of people only have between $50 and $300 in their accounts.
In a world where so many people are living hand to mouth, stealing from them is about the shittiest thing you can do. Criminals who do this are of a very, very low order, and I really do wish them all the worst. If I ever come upon one of these hacks, I'll be bloody sure to make somebody's life a living hell.
Talk to the leadership in the Intelligence Technology, and they'll tell you, finding bad guys is hard enough. Trying to sift though mountains of pepper hoping to find the one fly speck, is just insane. One "Intelligence Researcher" refered to the idea of watching every single American for signs of terrorist affiliation is like "Looking for a needle in a haystack of haystacks..."
Very true.
Unfortunately, and you probably realize this, the watchers are not looking for terrorists.
Fear = Power, and Power = Control; The Power to control the things which they Fear.
It's pretty much a given, I'd say. When they finally crawl out and start taking people away for muttering seditious 'thought-crime' anti-government stuff, I'll probably be hauled off and killed or humiliated or whatever along with the rest of them.
Fine, and to hell with 'em.
What's a painful, miserable death anyway? You have to go somehow. A red-hot fire-poker shoved somewhere indecent can't be any worse than extended bowl cancer or getting hit by a truck.
I might even be reduced to fear and groveling and begging and all that other stuff which is almost a certainty when torture is involved. Doesn't mean they win, though.
Anybody working on the Dark Side is beneath contempt. You are losers and you will fade forgotten from the eye of the Universe. Nothing but a speed bump; a challenge. --That and I'll fight you every last step of the way. I'll point out your spineless, dark-side, un-loveable qualities until you finally rip my tongue out in pathetic rage. And then my eyes will follow you with disdain until you jab those out as well.
And when I come back, I'll be the clear-eyed kid next door who you secretly both love and despise and wish would validate your existence by letting you tag along. And on our ever diverging paths we will go until you are nothing but a dream in the past.
Souls develop, and the decisions you make today are who you become tomorrow. In which direction are you working?
-FL "The biggest crime was convincing everybody that this life is all there is."
SCO knows that all they have to do is keep up their act for long enough. ..
They have a potential profit monster on their hands. If the American legal system rules in their favor, then it'll be ILLEGAL to not give them a bunch of money. All it'll take is some back-room dealing asshole of a judge or government type to give them the nod, and suddenly, according to American Law, you'll owe SCO a bunch of money, some of which will probably pass to the appropriate 'Law' maker in fat envelopes.
Get the hell out of the US. SCO is a bunch of 'survivor-winning' psychopathic assholes, but their time in the sun may well come thanks to the chaos being brewed up by Bush and his kind.
You pathetic moron. That was only two pages from a paperback.
Were you one of those losers in school who looked at me when I cracked a book and said in awe, "You READ?"
The fact that you cannot digest more than a sound-bite is evidence of how far gone you are. I am certainly not going to play along with the TV version of reality. Information and knowledge are valuable, and the above had it all; claim, easy to follow explanation as well as references. It's an important topic well worth exploring, and difficult to present for your worm-like benefit. If you found it had TOO MANY WORDS, then you deserve exactly what will happen to you.
So I'm sorry I overwhelmed you, dipshit. I think I hear your Cell Phone ringing. Go stick it next to your brain and talk in idiot sound bites for a while. That should calm your nerves and make it all seem okay again.
Off topic? What? Space exploration is not a sign of economic power and growing international superiority?
I think there's something else frightening away the silly moderators. . . At least I rate bad moderation rather than ridicule this round. That's usually a sign that I got past the first layer of, "NO, NO! DO NOT THINK," programming.
Anybody too frightened to consider whole idea sets is a coward on a leash.
Something about the Reds and Yellows trumping the Whites and the Blacks. ..
Or perhaps I'm mis-remembering. Not that it really matters with that crazy old codger. But hold on. Let me look it up. ..
"In a short time the temples with colors Of white and black of the two intermixed: Red and yellow ones will carry off theirs from them, Blood, land, plague, famine, fire extinguished by water."
After all, Whites and Blacks are too bloody individualistic and prone to complaining and fighting back and such. The Asians will make much better slaves to our new ____ overlords, (who I for one welcome. .,).
Consider the ancient wisdom. . . "The Nail that stands up Will be Hammered Down."
When a society carries that kind of programming, which is in full evidence, not to mention the slighter builds, etc., and the various other preconditioned behavioral traits which make for crazy-hard workers and people who readily accept crud living conditions and tyranny and various bullshit on a massive scale. . . Yep. All of that screams, 'Slave Race'. Heck. Look at Japanese idea of sex; What's with all the bondage? Ego problems, anyone? Feel so un-confident in your masculinity and personality that you realize the hopelessness of actual mating and that unless she's tied down you're just not going to be procreating any time soon? No comment.
Of course, your bug/lizard/alien/whatever overlords are going to propel a race like this to the top of the food chain. --And kill off the frickn' Americans! They're too much trouble. Same with the Australians and the Jews. Contain them each on their own continents and blast 'em!
What? You think the strong are being set up for a massive fall purely by accident? Heck no! We're being deliberately manipulated into castrating the strong to make way for the new off-world managerial staff.
You think I'm kidding? Pshaw! Think again. I've even got the tin-foil to prove it! (Well, I don't actually. Tin-foil doesn't actually do much. Not owning a cell phone or eating shit food or doing legal/illegal drugs, or believing TV lies or wasting away in front of idiot video games. . . These are better methods of keeping one's head clear, I'd say. But the Tin Foil was a good idea!)
This is Fantastic Lad reporting Live from the Edge. Back to you, Slashdot!
And unnatural sources of EM have been around for only 100 years or so. ..
To sum up the following; 60 htz x Earth's Magnetic field = Lithium ion (which exists naturally in human biology) becomes direcionally excited so that its impact upon brain chemistry is increased to achieve narcotic effect. (Lithium is the base of many anti-depressant drugs.)
From "Cross Currents", Robert O. Becker, 1990
"In 1982, Dr. A. H. Jafary-Asl and his colleagues at the University of Salford in England reported that yeast cells displayed both nuclear magnetic resonance and electron paramagnetic resonance, and that these resonances were different depending on whether the cells were alive or dead. They also found that when living yeast cells were exposed to conditions of nuclear magnetic resonances they multiplied at twice their normal rate-and the daughter cells were half as large as normal! Perhaps a more complex type of resonance was part of the answer, after all.
The advantage of complex resonances such as nuclear magnetic resonance is that the energy in the field is concentrated upon single physical entities (such as the nuclei of Berlin atoms), rather than being spread among all the cells of the body.
In 1985, Dr. Carl Blackman of the EPA and Dr. Abraham Liboff of Oakland University, working independently, integrated the reports of Jafary-Asl and the attempts to duplicate Bawin and Adey's experiments. They concluded that the strength of the local steady-state magnetic field of the Earth at the site of each of the laboratories was the hidden variable that determined the different frequencies reported.
Both Blackman and Liboff suggested that the mechanism involved was a specific type of resonance, cyclotron resonance (which has nothing to do with the cyclotron, an early type of particle accelerator used in atomic physics). When they applied the mathematical equations for cyclotron resonance to the different frequencies reported by the different laboratories, along with the respective strengths of the local magnetic fields they found the same result. The Ca++ efflux was the result of cyclotron resonance between the frequency of the applied electric field and the strength of the Earth's local magnetic field at each separate laboratory.
Cyclotron resonance can be explained as follows, albeit in a somewhat simplistic fashion: If a charged particle or ion is exposed to a steady magnetic field in space, it will begin to go into a circular, or orbital, motion at right angles to the applied magnetic field. The speed with which it orbits will be determined by the ratio between the charge and the mass of the particle and by the strength of the magnetic field.
We know the frequency of rotation (the number of times per second that the particle completes a full rotation) from the equation relating the charge/mass ratio of the particle and the strength of the magnetic field If an electric field is added that oscillates at exactly this frequency at right angles to the magnetic field energy is transferred from the electric field to the charged particle.
If the direction of the electric field is slightly off from the right angle, the particle will move in a spiral pathway.
We can substitute an oscillating magnetic field for the electric field and still obtain cyclotron resonance. However, It must be applied parallel to the constant magnetic field.
Cyclotron resonance may be produced any time there is a steady magnetic field combined with an oscillating electric or magnetic field acting on a charged particle. Many of the activities of living cells involve charged particles-such as the common ions of sodium (Na+), calcium (Ca++), and potassium (K+)-acting on or passing through the cell membrane. Cyclotron resonance has the ability to transfer energy to these ions and to cause them to move more rapidly. These effects will change the function of living cells by enabling the ions to pass through the cell membranes
People like that get to break the rules, walk on water, etc.
Could the thing fly? Would it have been stable?
Maybe not for you or me, but Nausicaa was part magical. Anyway, this project is a fan-driven thing. People make cool-looking light sabers which don't work very well either. People griping about the petty details might, I think, be missing the point somewhat.
The 2.4GHz band? Yes, not a low-level magnetic field, but I run one 24/7 and it basically runs thru me while I sleep. Has _any_ research been done on this?
From what I've read, it's not the carrier which counts; it's the modulated signal being carried which reacts best with brain chemistry.
I don't worry too much about the actual damage Lai is trying to demonstrate. What I do worry about are the non-destructive reactions which result from exposure. Several studies demonstrate that the blood/brain barrier becomes permeable under exposure, allowing a variety of impurities to pass into the brain, (prions anyone?), and according to another fascinating study, Lithium, the basis of many anti-depressant drugs, is excited and caused to react with the brains of test animals, causing a narcotic effect.
There's a lot of well researched material out there for anybody who feels like learning about the EM radiation we've been sold as safe for the last fifty years. People seem more zoned out than in days of old? Hard to gauge, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me.
Henry Lai has been working in areas of EM study for years, and I have generally taken him to be on of the non-quacks. Your training and comments thus prompted me to look more closely.
The Fenton Reaction seemed way off base, as you said. In particular, I wondered, "What the heck is Hydrogen Peroxide doing in the brain in the first place?" On page 16 of the PDF, Lai writes,
"Cells with high rates of iron intake, e.g., proliferating cells, cells infected by virus, and cells with high metabolic rates such as brain cells, would be more susceptible to the effects of magnetic fields because hydrogen peroxide, the substrate of the Fenton reaction, is a metabolic product of mitochondria."
Whether or not mitochondria really produce hydrogen peroxide is not something I know, but if they do, then it would seem to me that Lai may not be entirely off-base.
Also they meantion several times that other studies with the same type of magnetic field only stronger have been not shown any DNA damage. If it is a chemically induced cleavage then more field strength MUST equal more damage. The fact that it doesn't makes the studies questionable.
I only ran across two mentions of other studies in the article which claimed no DNA damage, but Lai explained that in both those studies, the cells had probably been in states where the mitochondria were inactive, thus producing no Hydrogen Peroxide for iron to react with. But I only gave the paper a cursory read, so perhaps I missed mention of other studies. What pages were you looking at?
-FL
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People discuss what interests them. I don't know anything about Charlie Stross, and I'm almost certainly not going to read his work. (My own interest in SciFi books ran its natural course back in my early teen years.)
I don't care about Piers Anthony either, and indeed, I don't care to rate him good or bad, precisely because I don't care.
I DO however, care about the same issue you care about; I find social patterns completely fascinating. Hence my commenting on your comment.
People discuss that which fascinates them. Especially on a site like Slashdot, which is one part nerd-news, one part debating forum and two parts entertaining distraction for bored post-adolescents. (Me included.)
Before the launch of the previous World War, upper management staged a similar economic bust.
1928; Greed and Stock Market Gambling is at its peek of lunacy.
1929; The Big Crash. The Great Depression Begins! Millions of jobs, property lost.
1930; Nazi Party wins stunning elected victory. Hitler now a big 'somebody' on world stage.
1932; Creation of holding companies and 'pyramiding' of enterprises on unsound foundations exposed the entire system of investment to massive abuses. The Insull Empire collapsed, the largest failure (at that time), in American business costing investors a billion dollars.
1933; Hitler achieved the German chancellorship. The Reichstag burns down, is blamed on Communist Terrorists, and signals the beginning of German/Nazi military posturing. Germany withdraws from the Disarmament Convention and the League of Nations
1935; Hitler denounces the Versailles Treaty.
1936; Hitler re-militarizes the Rhinelands.
1938; Germany marches into and annexes Austria and Czechoslovakia.
1939; German invasion of Poland. WWII begins in earnest.
Contrast and Compare. ..
1999; Greed and Stock Market Gambling is at its peek of lunacy
2000; April, The stock market crumbles. In just six-and-a-half hours, the Dow plunges 617 points
2000; November, Bush Jr. Elected 42nd President of the United States.
2001; Enron and more than a dozen other corporations collapse due to massive financial abuses. Hundreds of Billions lost.
2001; September 11, the World Trade Center destroyed, blamed on Islamic Terrorists, signals the beginning of American/Neo-con military posturing. October, U.S. invades Afghanistan.
2002; United States withdraws from the International Criminal Court Treaty.
I mean, I did some really stupid, asshole things waaay back when I was in grade school. People even said, "Boy, Fantastic Lad, you're the biggest, stupidest asshole in the entire school!"
So I figure I not only have bragging rights, but that I have frickin' prior ownership.
SCO, I'm comin' for you!
I'll be filing in 90 business days. Fear me! (My one concern is that in the court, it will be determined through genetic testing that the SCO guys in fact have bigger assholes and smaller brains than I do. I wonder if IBM will still help pay my legal bills if I lose. ..)
That's the most hilarious non-sequiter bit of weirdness I've heard in some time. I sure hope you were deliberately trying to be funny, because you certainly made my jolly-sense tingle!
"the Mormon Homosexual Movement." I've gotta remember that one!
Render the blood-brain barrier permeable? Where'd you get that one? I've heard mutterings about the radio waves resonating with your brain tissue in some as-yet-undetermined way, but I've never seen that specific claim before.
That's surprising. It's one of the older and better documented observations, though I do admit that much of what I have learned regarding this subject is paper-based rather than web-based. I did a cursory search though, and found the following. ..
Salford et al. document serious neuronal damage in rat brains following exposure to microwave radiation from a cell phone, at levels comparable to what people would experience during normal use. Damage to nerve cells was observed in several places within the brain, including the cortex, hippocampus and basal ganglia. It was associated with evidence of leakage of proteins through the blood-brain barrier. The authors express concern that "after some decades of (often) daily use, a whole generation of [cell phone] users may suffer negative effects, perhaps as early as middle age."
There is also actually a mechanism through which it has been demonstrated that low level EM radiation can indeed increase the number of particles passing through a cell membrane. --I've transcribed it and posted it here. While the transcribed article is looking at 60 Htz and the Lithium ion, it may be that the cellphone phenomenon may perhaps work in a similar way. Maybe not. --But the fact of the matter is that in the half dozen experiments I've read up on in detail all demonstrate marker dyes passing through the barrier under cell phone EM exposure.
In any case, I find with this sort of thing that people won't see anything without investing some time and energy, since inconvenient truths never get a lot of air-time. Air-time is expensive and it's usually the guilty parties who have all the money and influence. The information is all available if one digs, though.
-FL
Everybody seems to have the wrong idea here. . .
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The cell phone you use doesn't just render the blood/brain barrier permeable to whatever shit happens to be in your system, (Cow prions, food coloring, Taco-Bell seasonings, etc.); it affects everybody within about a 2 meter radius.
Three users on a bus have an impact upon up everybody.
The jammer is a cool idea, but unfortunately, it is no safer.
If jammers were only a couple of bucks, I'd turn them on and hide them in Starbucks and under bus seats and such. Under desks in busy work places. --Not that it does much for public health, I just think it is appropriate to raise the stress level of the ignorant. Ignorance isn't always passive in how it endangers you; there are guys like me out there who are annoyed with you for messing up the world and think you should pay in high stress.
A good friend of mine was hit by a car being driven by an idiot on a cell phone. Brain damage, indeed.
Yeah, I would say it's rather like a photo having yellow tones under incandescent room lighting, but shifts cold when scanned, (using a fluorescent scanner bulb.)
So then the color images taken on Mars are probably shifted a bit to a butterscotch shading were human eyes there to see the actual environment.
Fair enough. --In any case, I was under the false impression that the current crop of landers didn't have color correction charts mounted for their cameras to check against. Must remember to double-check my sources.
A case of my reading bad sources and not cross referencing them.
Doesn't happen very often, but today it did. Good call. Be careful, though, not to make the mistake of thinking that my being clued-out this time makes me wrong every time, or even most of the time. The name of the game is thinking out loud and fact checking. I raise points as I see them, and think throught them as I am able, and I am just as happy to be called on a bad point as I am to contribute a good one. This is about learning for everybody, and Slashdot is actually a pretty good crucible.
I went to look at some old Viking images; curious as to what color the Martian sky was back in the seventies when NASA knew how to take accurate color images. (They used a color test strip mounted on the Viking lander to calibrate the color settings against an identical color strip back here on Earth. Basic.) As it turns out, the Martian sky is a much more pale shade of blue than Earth's sky, but blue and clear it is. --My guess is that this is because of the less dense atmosphere, (Mars is only a little bit bigger than our Moon, after all.)
Anyway, the color of the sky, (on a clear day at any rate), is probably determined by the gas content of the atmosphere rather than particulate matter. I wonder what the Martian atmosphere is made out of. . . (Could look it up, but I'm feeling lazy.)
Though, yeah, you're definitely right. I remember now that the surface of Mars would get fuzzy from time to time depending on how much sand-storm activity is going on. There's obviously enough air/wind to move dust around!
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That's fear for you!
I happen to agree with you wholeheartedly. When the clock needs re-winding, the Earth tends to clense itself. It's a cyclical thing; happened before, it'll happen again.
Cheers!
-Fl
1. Telephoto lenses and ad-on cameras? Stupid, stupid, stupid. Instead what you do is. .
Hm. Actually, seeing as the idea hasn't been done and as it's frighteningly simple. . , I'm suddenly unwilling to post it on the web.
2. After coming up with a workable plan, we realized, "You know, this is a pretty terrible thing to do to people."
--If you look at all the little receipts which litter the immediate area around a machine, you quickly learn from the balances shown that the large majority of people only have between $50 and $300 in their accounts.
In a world where so many people are living hand to mouth, stealing from them is about the shittiest thing you can do. Criminals who do this are of a very, very low order, and I really do wish them all the worst. If I ever come upon one of these hacks, I'll be bloody sure to make somebody's life a living hell.
Spend the time. Call the cops.
-FL
Very true.
Unfortunately, and you probably realize this, the watchers are not looking for terrorists.
Fear = Power, and Power = Control; The Power to control the things which they Fear.
An ever tightening circle.
IBM supplied Hitler with the punch card machine technology which made it possible for the Nazi regime to track down through blood relations all the Jews which were sent to camps for destruction.
Terrorists? Puh-lease.
-FL
It's pretty much a given, I'd say. When they finally crawl out and start taking people away for muttering seditious 'thought-crime' anti-government stuff, I'll probably be hauled off and killed or humiliated or whatever along with the rest of them.
Fine, and to hell with 'em.
What's a painful, miserable death anyway? You have to go somehow. A red-hot fire-poker shoved somewhere indecent can't be any worse than extended bowl cancer or getting hit by a truck.
I might even be reduced to fear and groveling and begging and all that other stuff which is almost a certainty when torture is involved. Doesn't mean they win, though.
Anybody working on the Dark Side is beneath contempt. You are losers and you will fade forgotten from the eye of the Universe. Nothing but a speed bump; a challenge. --That and I'll fight you every last step of the way. I'll point out your spineless, dark-side, un-loveable qualities until you finally rip my tongue out in pathetic rage. And then my eyes will follow you with disdain until you jab those out as well.
And when I come back, I'll be the clear-eyed kid next door who you secretly both love and despise and wish would validate your existence by letting you tag along. And on our ever diverging paths we will go until you are nothing but a dream in the past.
Souls develop, and the decisions you make today are who you become tomorrow. In which direction are you working?
-FL "The biggest crime was convincing everybody that this life is all there is."
That's right. Two.
One on each hand.
-FL
They have a potential profit monster on their hands. If the American legal system rules in their favor, then it'll be ILLEGAL to not give them a bunch of money. All it'll take is some back-room dealing asshole of a judge or government type to give them the nod, and suddenly, according to American Law, you'll owe SCO a bunch of money, some of which will probably pass to the appropriate 'Law' maker in fat envelopes.
In other news, Bush has bypassed congress to install another judge. .
Get the hell out of the US. SCO is a bunch of 'survivor-winning' psychopathic assholes, but their time in the sun may well come thanks to the chaos being brewed up by Bush and his kind.
-FL
You pathetic moron. That was only two pages from a paperback.
Were you one of those losers in school who looked at me when I cracked a book and said in awe, "You READ?"
The fact that you cannot digest more than a sound-bite is evidence of how far gone you are. I am certainly not going to play along with the TV version of reality. Information and knowledge are valuable, and the above had it all; claim, easy to follow explanation as well as references. It's an important topic well worth exploring, and difficult to present for your worm-like benefit. If you found it had TOO MANY WORDS, then you deserve exactly what will happen to you.
So I'm sorry I overwhelmed you, dipshit. I think I hear your Cell Phone ringing. Go stick it next to your brain and talk in idiot sound bites for a while. That should calm your nerves and make it all seem okay again.
-FL
I think there's something else frightening away the silly moderators. . . At least I rate bad moderation rather than ridicule this round. That's usually a sign that I got past the first layer of, "NO, NO! DO NOT THINK," programming.
Anybody too frightened to consider whole idea sets is a coward on a leash.
-FL
Or perhaps I'm mis-remembering. Not that it really matters with that crazy old codger. But hold on. Let me look it up. .
After all, Whites and Blacks are too bloody individualistic and prone to complaining and fighting back and such. The Asians will make much better slaves to our new ____ overlords, (who I for one welcome. .
Consider the ancient wisdom. . . "The Nail that stands up Will be Hammered Down."
When a society carries that kind of programming, which is in full evidence, not to mention the slighter builds, etc., and the various other preconditioned behavioral traits which make for crazy-hard workers and people who readily accept crud living conditions and tyranny and various bullshit on a massive scale. . . Yep. All of that screams, 'Slave Race'. Heck. Look at Japanese idea of sex; What's with all the bondage? Ego problems, anyone? Feel so un-confident in your masculinity and personality that you realize the hopelessness of actual mating and that unless she's tied down you're just not going to be procreating any time soon? No comment.
Of course, your bug/lizard/alien/whatever overlords are going to propel a race like this to the top of the food chain. --And kill off the frickn' Americans! They're too much trouble. Same with the Australians and the Jews. Contain them each on their own continents and blast 'em!
What? You think the strong are being set up for a massive fall purely by accident? Heck no! We're being deliberately manipulated into castrating the strong to make way for the new off-world managerial staff.
You think I'm kidding? Pshaw! Think again. I've even got the tin-foil to prove it! (Well, I don't actually. Tin-foil doesn't actually do much. Not owning a cell phone or eating shit food or doing legal/illegal drugs, or believing TV lies or wasting away in front of idiot video games. . . These are better methods of keeping one's head clear, I'd say. But the Tin Foil was a good idea!)
This is Fantastic Lad reporting Live from the Edge. Back to you, Slashdot!
-FL
To sum up the following; 60 htz x Earth's Magnetic field = Lithium ion (which exists naturally in human biology) becomes direcionally excited so that its impact upon brain chemistry is increased to achieve narcotic effect. (Lithium is the base of many anti-depressant drugs.)
People like that get to break the rules, walk on water, etc.
Could the thing fly? Would it have been stable?
Maybe not for you or me, but Nausicaa was part magical. Anyway, this project is a fan-driven thing. People make cool-looking light sabers which don't work very well either. People griping about the petty details might, I think, be missing the point somewhat.
-FL
Of course, it was being sold a voluntary method of fast-tracking through the regular security check process. But it's only a matter of time. .
The insanity isn't coming. It's here. It's just getting worse, is all.
-FL
From what I've read, it's not the carrier which counts; it's the modulated signal being carried which reacts best with brain chemistry.
I don't worry too much about the actual damage Lai is trying to demonstrate. What I do worry about are the non-destructive reactions which result from exposure. Several studies demonstrate that the blood/brain barrier becomes permeable under exposure, allowing a variety of impurities to pass into the brain, (prions anyone?), and according to another fascinating study, Lithium, the basis of many anti-depressant drugs, is excited and caused to react with the brains of test animals, causing a narcotic effect.
There's a lot of well researched material out there for anybody who feels like learning about the EM radiation we've been sold as safe for the last fifty years. People seem more zoned out than in days of old? Hard to gauge, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me.
-FL
The Fenton Reaction seemed way off base, as you said. In particular, I wondered, "What the heck is Hydrogen Peroxide doing in the brain in the first place?" On page 16 of the PDF, Lai writes,
Whether or not mitochondria really produce hydrogen peroxide is not something I know, but if they do, then it would seem to me that Lai may not be entirely off-base.
Also they meantion several times that other studies with the same type of magnetic field only stronger have been not shown any DNA damage. If it is a chemically induced cleavage then more field strength MUST equal more damage. The fact that it doesn't makes the studies questionable.
I only ran across two mentions of other studies in the article which claimed no DNA damage, but Lai explained that in both those studies, the cells had probably been in states where the mitochondria were inactive, thus producing no Hydrogen Peroxide for iron to react with. But I only gave the paper a cursory read, so perhaps I missed mention of other studies. What pages were you looking at?
-FL
I don't care about Piers Anthony either, and indeed, I don't care to rate him good or bad, precisely because I don't care.
I DO however, care about the same issue you care about; I find social patterns completely fascinating. Hence my commenting on your comment.
People discuss that which fascinates them. Especially on a site like Slashdot, which is one part nerd-news, one part debating forum and two parts entertaining distraction for bored post-adolescents. (Me included.)
-FL
Please send them C.O.D. to the White House.
Do you also sell pizza?
-FL
1928; Greed and Stock Market Gambling is at its peek of lunacy.
1929; The Big Crash. The Great Depression Begins! Millions of jobs, property lost.
1930; Nazi Party wins stunning elected victory. Hitler now a big 'somebody' on world stage.
1932; Creation of holding companies and 'pyramiding' of enterprises on unsound foundations exposed the entire system of investment to massive abuses. The Insull Empire collapsed, the largest failure (at that time), in American business costing investors a billion dollars.
1933; Hitler achieved the German chancellorship. The Reichstag burns down, is blamed on Communist Terrorists, and signals the beginning of German/Nazi military posturing. Germany withdraws from the Disarmament Convention and the League of Nations
1935; Hitler denounces the Versailles Treaty.
1936; Hitler re-militarizes the Rhinelands.
1938; Germany marches into and annexes Austria and Czechoslovakia.
1939; German invasion of Poland. WWII begins in earnest.
Wow. You're pretty worthless, aren't you? What kind of winner says something like that? Life must sure have been fair to you!
(Awww. Does the tough boy cry inside?)
-FL
I mean, I did some really stupid, asshole things waaay back when I was in grade school. People even said, "Boy, Fantastic Lad, you're the biggest, stupidest asshole in the entire school!"
So I figure I not only have bragging rights, but that I have frickin' prior ownership.
SCO, I'm comin' for you!
I'll be filing in 90 business days. Fear me! (My one concern is that in the court, it will be determined through genetic testing that the SCO guys in fact have bigger assholes and smaller brains than I do. I wonder if IBM will still help pay my legal bills if I lose. .
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"the Mormon Homosexual Movement." I've gotta remember that one!
Cheers!
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That's surprising. It's one of the older and better documented observations, though I do admit that much of what I have learned regarding this subject is paper-based rather than web-based. I did a cursory search though, and found the following. .
There is also actually a mechanism through which it has been demonstrated that low level EM radiation can indeed increase the number of particles passing through a cell membrane. --I've transcribed it and posted it here. While the transcribed article is looking at 60 Htz and the Lithium ion, it may be that the cellphone phenomenon may perhaps work in a similar way. Maybe not. --But the fact of the matter is that in the half dozen experiments I've read up on in detail all demonstrate marker dyes passing through the barrier under cell phone EM exposure.
In any case, I find with this sort of thing that people won't see anything without investing some time and energy, since inconvenient truths never get a lot of air-time. Air-time is expensive and it's usually the guilty parties who have all the money and influence. The information is all available if one digs, though.
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Three users on a bus have an impact upon up everybody.
The jammer is a cool idea, but unfortunately, it is no safer.
If jammers were only a couple of bucks, I'd turn them on and hide them in Starbucks and under bus seats and such. Under desks in busy work places. --Not that it does much for public health, I just think it is appropriate to raise the stress level of the ignorant. Ignorance isn't always passive in how it endangers you; there are guys like me out there who are annoyed with you for messing up the world and think you should pay in high stress.
A good friend of mine was hit by a car being driven by an idiot on a cell phone. Brain damage, indeed.
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So then the color images taken on Mars are probably shifted a bit to a butterscotch shading were human eyes there to see the actual environment.
Fair enough. --In any case, I was under the false impression that the current crop of landers didn't have color correction charts mounted for their cameras to check against. Must remember to double-check my sources.
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Doesn't happen very often, but today it did. Good call. Be careful, though, not to make the mistake of thinking that my being clued-out this time makes me wrong every time, or even most of the time. The name of the game is thinking out loud and fact checking. I raise points as I see them, and think throught them as I am able, and I am just as happy to be called on a bad point as I am to contribute a good one. This is about learning for everybody, and Slashdot is actually a pretty good crucible.
Thanks for playing. Makes us all stronger.
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Anyway, the color of the sky, (on a clear day at any rate), is probably determined by the gas content of the atmosphere rather than particulate matter. I wonder what the Martian atmosphere is made out of. . . (Could look it up, but I'm feeling lazy.)
Though, yeah, you're definitely right. I remember now that the surface of Mars would get fuzzy from time to time depending on how much sand-storm activity is going on. There's obviously enough air/wind to move dust around!
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