only if you redistribute a copy of program are you required to give the modified version. this would onyl apply to binary only programs. You aren't redistributing the program when someone goes to your site. You are giving them the output of the program. that is different. You are entitled to keep your changes secret.
Since everyone wants to rant about the COPA... Something this and many other websites might wanna watch out for with regard to COPA... Section 231, subsection 6, paragraph A defines materials harmful to minors (under 17years of age) as materials that "... the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find, taking the material as a whole and with respect to minors, is designed to appeal to, or is designed to pander to, the prurient interest..." now for the weak of vocabulary...
Prurient Pru"ri*ent, a. L. pruries, -entis, p. pr. of prurire
lustful
so any image that the majority of people think is designed to appeal to a lustful interest would be a violation of COPA unless they required a age verification signature or a credit card number (although many banks issue visa check draft debit cards to people as young as 13) I know many many websites and X11 hardware ads that violate this... Maybe COPA should be striken also...
The code for contra was: up up down down left right left right B A [select] start
Something people might remember is in the game "Gatigus", the side view fighter for snes, if you did the contra code while the game was paused you lost a life. funny... if you replaced left right left right with "y z y z" it would give you a full power up. (although it gave you the shitty double fire instead of the bombs...)
PimpSmurf "Stupid people should be drug into the street and shot" --PimpSmurf
This was an excellent interview. I think he is an asshole myself. In 1990, people made tape copies. It was the best, and cheapest way to copy music. Now, the internet is the cheapest way to copy music. I, personally, do not have any pirated mp3s at all. But I do use napster to get music that isn't sold yet, isn't avalible (out of production), or I have lost. When Metalica speaks of the quality of mp3s, what is he talking about. I have to spend 15 minutes or so just to find an mp3 that isn't cut off, or deformed. Many of the mp3s out there are low quality, and some are just recordings off of the radio. I advocate freedom of use. I advocate mp3 distribution. Without which I couldn't have recovered copies of CD I have lost, broken, had stolen or became unusable because of scratches. If there is a single legitamate use for a product, dont make it illegal. Otherwise americans _will_ see there rights deminish and deminish as time goes on.
What if someone posted a modified copy of the text in a country that trade secrets are illegal. The text posted would not include microsoft's restriction. This being so... they would not be liable and it would then be in the public domain... All problems solved. There _may_ be a flaw in this plan, but I thought it was a bit better than the rest of the (sheep like) ideas of posting the code on the internet.
I think a slightly larger issue here that we dont seem to be looking at is the fact that the CoS said it was a violation in the first place. I have a friend that was caught up in the CoS thing for a while. They wouldn't let his leave. They repeatedly went to his' house and forced themselves in. They are a profit seeking group trying to hide under the US religion/tax laws. (Which should be abolished anyway.) I call for everyone to email contact@ebay.com and let them know that what is going on is wrong, and that those auctions should happen. The DMCA clearly doesn't apply here.
The problem is still present. It is just transparent. It was never really a problem. just put 'append hd="cyl,hd,sec"' at the top of lilo.conf. problem solved. They have just made the stupid^H^H^H^H^H^Hproblem transparent.
The question is quite valid, but I dont know where some people are getting their information. If all programs linked against gpled code must be open source/gpl then ALL COMMERCIAL APPS ARE AT FAULT. In order to compile a program under linux you MUST link against the kernel's headers. (If you are using any kernel functions or drivers.) Take Quake III Arena for instance. Where do you think they got their joystick support? the GPL'd linux joystick driver. No ifs ands or buts.
the beos site says that no beos PE version has SMP support. Maybe they are wrong, but you have to think; they want people to use BeOS. Why wouldn't they "advertise" such a feature?
yeah yeah... they beta test distros. But they didn't come up with the idea. I know that debian has betas, but slackware has been doing beta testing since like 1993. Not trying to start a flamewar, just informing the masses before I get a phone call from a local RedHat junkie saying... "Redhat invented OS beta testing..." Figured this comment would help everyone out...
By the way, Microsoft beta tested windows 93.. I mean 95... for like three years! and it still sucked! Imagine how many bugs were in the first windows 2000 beta!!!
I think we learned way to much about shit, 7th grade penis size verces hard disk size, laser printer toner spam, space aliens who's names all rhyme, and poor south park imatations.
Altavista isn't posting source code. just supplying information that was allready obtainable. but packaging in a pritty box, and paying 3 cents a click... cool.
You can still use dcc voice communications. Also. in the school handbook they site, and I quote, "... unrestricted internet access over multible broadband connections..." Isn't this a violation of something??? I dont use these services. I find a voice to be too distracting, and scary. I perfer irc.cabi.net.
I personally hate MS products, but This should not insite a flame war. Nearly every program on the planet have some security problem. it is just harder to find them in closed source apps/oses. Lets be adults, or act like it.
etoy.com does not resolve. and the previously mentioned IP address does not answer an icmp echo request... hrmmm../.ed or maybe it has been hacked by etoys.com's cgi programmers in responce to that press release.
They didn't come in last in _ANY_ of the benchmarks. Windows 2k did however come in last in 1. Novell has been doing NOS for decades... Linux will catch up. Novell CORP, or Microsoft CORP will never be able to hire enough programmers to equal the programming power to the OpenSource community(tm). Its a fact. I want to see this poll done, and I am sure it will be, in a year or two.
They are an awsome provider. You get ssh. telnet. ftp. full control over your website. plus they are for for oss software developers. They also have plans for commercial websites(what funds them)
The whole flame Redhat thing has got to stop. I dont run Redhat, but everyone seems to be sceptical/paranoid everytime Redhat makes an anouncement. They are offering the distro for free (duh.) but they are doing much more than that. they are giving kids the chance to fall in love with linux rather than spend all their time dissing windows. Redhat is offering a sollution for the school systems, by helping cut their expenditures on software down. this is great! more books! more classrooms! more teachers! more specialty classes! and just maybe programming cources that start in middleschool. I graduated in 1998 I never had this opertunity. My high school's only programming course was in MS Basic. we didn't even have Window's yet when I graduated! Our fileserver was a single processor pentium 133. This isn't a sob story... I had linux on my 386 at home. The point of this little rant is that I was in a school with 1700 students... with a massively underbudgeted tech dept. Had they no bought 200 computers with windows 3.1, at $75 a copy. we would have had $15,000 dollars to put into... say... a teacher for c++... more powerfull computers... internet access... what ever!
This is important, and we cant overlook it because It was redhat and not VAlinux.
we way we dont want to have "Stupid" law suits going on... so why do we post these things that only make the ignorant jump up and down in a circle. This isn't a problem... and I am sure Linus wont bat an eye at it. (Or should anyone else involved.)
two years ago, People who run linux had to pay the microsoft tax when they bought an off the shelf computer (compaq/HP/PB). Had to keep windows on it to play any games. (There were _no_ games for linux.) We fixed this problem. The commercial market (ID/GTi/LOKI) saw linux as a market. It is a market. the cd market didn't get pissed off when we figured out how to listen to cds on our 1x cdroms from back in da day. they didn't file a restraining order when we wrote open source libs and apps to do so. They didn't badger us to take down our web sites, and stop distributing this knowledge. The dvd industry doesn't seem to give a fuck. They dont care that the vast majority of us dont have dvdRAM drives, dont have the nessisary inet connection to distributed the movies, and dont want to take their profits. The linuxDVD project is NOT to assist in the pirateing of DVD movies. It is a project to help linux gain openSource DVD capabilities.
WE JUST WANT TO WATCH A MOVIE! UNDERSTAND?
I ask everyone. who runs to the store and buys an audio cd, goes home and plays it? I do. I even rip it(*naughty*) to my computer so I dont have to look for the damn thing every time I wish to play it. I dont have any mp3s for which I dont have the cd.
If the cdda format was encrypted, would it be illegal to write open source software to play it?
If I go buy a dvd drive. it comes with software. that software can decrypt the dvd data to play. I can record that window's contents to an mpeg file, and watch it in linux. Is that illegal?
I dont think so.
Can I read the contents of my computer's hardware, after all, I paid for it, and find out how to write software to read dvds, decrypt the data, and watch it in linux? sure.
When I go out and buy a SB live I get mp3 ripping software. I can listen to this on my computer. in my car. anywhere. I can even invite my friends over to listen too!
why cant I write software that decodes dvds and watch them on my computer? watch them in the back of my conversion van? watch them anywhere infact, without buying a microsoft product?
This is just another situation where MS has the high ground.
everyone please support the linux DVD project. email your congressmen. email the poor guy who has to deside on this case.
lets let everyone know that we arn't a bunch of software pirating losers to cheap to pay for an operating system, or a movie for that matter.
Thanks for takeing the time to read this drawn out post.
word up kids!!!! Slackware 7.0 is out! Maybe this release will make those glibc2 junkies chill out;) I am happy to see slackware 7 finally stable, I have been working with slack 7 for weeks, and weeks. At least Pat lets everyone in the beeding edge community/wanna be beta testers stay in touch with whats happening... Slackware 7.0 (dont mind the meth induced version number change) is out with a vengence with glibc, the MOST updated, and secured deamons. Pat maynot have a crew of linux heavyweights to make kernel patches every 10 minutes, but it is still one of the best distros ever!
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only if you redistribute a copy of program are you required to give the modified version. this would onyl apply to binary only programs. You aren't redistributing the program when someone goes to your site. You are giving them the output of the program. that is different. You are entitled to keep your changes secret.
That is all,
Joseph Nicholas Yarbrough
Attorney at Heart
Something this and many other websites might wanna watch out for with regard to COPA... Section 231, subsection 6, paragraph A defines materials harmful to minors (under 17years of age) as materials that "... the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find, taking the material as a whole and with respect to minors, is designed to appeal to, or is designed to pander to, the prurient interest..." now for the weak of vocabulary... so any image that the majority of people think is designed to appeal to a lustful interest would be a violation of COPA unless they required a age verification signature or a credit card number (although many banks issue visa check draft debit cards to people as young as 13)
I know many many websites and X11 hardware ads that violate this... Maybe COPA should be striken also...
Joseph Nicholas Yarbrough
-o Attorney at Heart o-
The code for contra was:
up up down down left right left right B A [select] start
Something people might remember is in the game "Gatigus", the side view fighter for snes, if you did the contra code while the game was paused you lost a life. funny...
if you replaced left right left right with "y z y z" it would give you a full power up. (although it gave you the shitty double fire instead of the bombs...)
PimpSmurf
"Stupid people should be drug into the street and shot" --PimpSmurf
This was an excellent interview.
I think he is an asshole myself. In 1990, people made tape copies. It was the best, and cheapest way to copy music. Now, the internet is the cheapest way to copy music. I, personally, do not have any pirated mp3s at all. But I do use napster to get music that isn't sold yet, isn't avalible (out of production), or I have lost. When Metalica speaks of the quality of mp3s, what is he talking about. I have to spend 15 minutes or so just to find an mp3 that isn't cut off, or deformed. Many of the mp3s out there are low quality, and some are just recordings off of the radio. I advocate freedom of use. I advocate mp3 distribution. Without which I couldn't have recovered copies of CD I have lost, broken, had stolen or became unusable because of scratches. If there is a single legitamate use for a product, dont make it illegal. Otherwise americans _will_ see there rights deminish and deminish as time goes on.
That is all...
PimpSmurf
What if someone posted a modified copy of the text in a country that trade secrets are illegal. The text posted would not include microsoft's restriction. This being so... they would not be liable and it would then be in the public domain...
All problems solved.
There _may_ be a flaw in this plan, but I thought it was a bit better than the rest of the (sheep like) ideas of posting the code on the internet.
PimpSmurf
I think a slightly larger issue here that we dont seem to be looking at is the fact that the CoS said it was a violation in the first place. I have a friend that was caught up in the CoS thing for a while. They wouldn't let his leave. They repeatedly went to his' house and forced themselves in. They are a profit seeking group trying to hide under the US religion/tax laws. (Which should be abolished anyway.)
I call for everyone to email contact@ebay.com and let them know that what is going on is wrong, and that those auctions should happen.
The DMCA clearly doesn't apply here.
Joseph Nicholas Yarbrough
The problem is still present. It is just transparent. It was never really a problem. just put 'append hd="cyl,hd,sec"' at the top of lilo.conf. problem solved. They have just made the stupid^H^H^H^H^H^Hproblem transparent.
PimpSmurf
The question is quite valid, but I dont know where some people are getting their information. If all programs linked against gpled code must be open source/gpl then ALL COMMERCIAL APPS ARE AT FAULT. In order to compile a program under linux you MUST link against the kernel's headers. (If you are using any kernel functions or drivers.) Take Quake III Arena for instance. Where do you think they got their joystick support? the GPL'd linux joystick driver. No ifs ands or buts.
PimpSmurf
thank you for enlightening me.
I am not a very big beos user, I just run it under vmware.
the beos site says that no beos PE version has SMP support. Maybe they are wrong, but you have to think; they want people to use BeOS. Why wouldn't they "advertise" such a feature?
PimpSmurf
yeah yeah... they beta test distros. But they didn't come up with the idea. I know that debian has betas, but slackware has been doing beta testing since like 1993. Not trying to start a flamewar, just informing the masses before I get a phone call from a local RedHat junkie saying... "Redhat invented OS beta testing..." Figured this comment would help everyone out...
By the way, Microsoft beta tested windows 93.. I mean 95... for like three years! and it still sucked! Imagine how many bugs were in the first windows 2000 beta!!!
PimpSmurf
I think we learned way to much about shit, 7th grade penis size verces hard disk size, laser printer toner spam, space aliens who's names all rhyme, and poor south park imatations.
Ethlicly. no.
but ethics get in the way.
why dont we go ahead and start rerouting some DNS?
PimpSmurf
it happens everyday folk!
Altavista isn't posting source code. just supplying information that was allready obtainable. but packaging in a pritty box, and paying 3 cents a click... cool.
now all I have to do is set up a web site.
PimpSmurf
You can still use dcc voice communications. Also. in the school handbook they site, and I quote, "... unrestricted internet access over multible broadband connections..." Isn't this a violation of something??? I dont use these services. I find a voice to be too distracting, and scary. I perfer irc.cabi.net.
;]
Please moderate +1 informative.
I personally hate MS products, but This should not insite a flame war. Nearly every program on the planet have some security problem. it is just harder to find them in closed source apps/oses. Lets be adults, or act like it.
etoy.com does not resolve. and the previously mentioned IP address does not answer an icmp echo request... hrmmm.. /.ed or maybe it has been hacked by etoys.com's cgi programmers in responce to that press release.
They didn't come in last in _ANY_ of the benchmarks. Windows 2k did however come in last in 1. Novell has been doing NOS for decades... Linux will catch up. Novell CORP, or Microsoft CORP will never be able to hire enough programmers to equal the programming power to the OpenSource community(tm).
Its a fact. I want to see this poll done, and I am sure it will be, in a year or two.
PimpSmurf
I am pritty sure I will have the first mod out. grapling hook... of course... Do I get a cookie? Oreo... if you please. ;] PimpSmurf
my website is pimpsmurf.linuxbox.com
They are an awsome provider.
You get ssh. telnet. ftp. full control over your website. plus they are for for oss software developers.
They also have plans for commercial websites(what funds them)
I encourage you to check them out!
PimpSmurf
The whole flame Redhat thing has got to stop. I dont run Redhat, but everyone seems to be sceptical/paranoid everytime Redhat makes an anouncement. They are offering the distro for free (duh.) but they are doing much more than that. they are giving kids the chance to fall in love with linux rather than spend all their time dissing windows. Redhat is offering a sollution for the school systems, by helping cut their expenditures on software down. this is great! more books! more classrooms! more teachers! more specialty classes! and just maybe programming cources that start in middleschool.
I graduated in 1998
I never had this opertunity. My high school's only programming course was in MS Basic. we didn't even have Window's yet when I graduated! Our fileserver was a single processor pentium 133.
This isn't a sob story... I had linux on my 386 at home. The point of this little rant is that I was in a school with 1700 students... with a massively underbudgeted tech dept. Had they no bought 200 computers with windows 3.1, at $75 a copy. we would have had $15,000 dollars to put into... say... a teacher for c++... more powerfull computers... internet access... what ever!
This is important, and we cant overlook it because It was redhat and not VAlinux.
kids are the future.
PimpSmurf
we way we dont want to have "Stupid" law suits going on... so why do we post these things that only make the ignorant jump up and down in a circle. This isn't a problem... and I am sure Linus wont bat an eye at it. (Or should anyone else involved.)
two years ago, People who run linux had to pay the microsoft tax when they bought an off the shelf computer (compaq/HP/PB). Had to keep windows on it to play any games. (There were _no_ games for linux.) We fixed this problem. The commercial market (ID/GTi/LOKI) saw linux as a market.
It is a market.
the cd market didn't get pissed off when we figured out how to listen to cds on our 1x cdroms from back in da day. they didn't file a restraining order when we wrote open source libs and apps to do so. They didn't badger us to take down our web sites, and stop distributing this knowledge.
The dvd industry doesn't seem to give a fuck.
They dont care that the vast majority of us dont have dvdRAM drives, dont have the nessisary inet connection to distributed the movies, and dont want to take their profits. The linuxDVD project is NOT to assist in the pirateing of DVD movies.
It is a project to help linux gain openSource DVD capabilities.
WE JUST WANT TO WATCH A MOVIE!
UNDERSTAND?
I ask everyone. who runs to the store and buys an audio cd, goes home and plays it? I do.
I even rip it(*naughty*) to my computer so I dont have to look for the damn thing every time I wish to play it. I dont have any mp3s for which I dont have the cd.
If the cdda format was encrypted, would it be illegal to write open source software to play it?
If I go buy a dvd drive. it comes with software.
that software can decrypt the dvd data to play.
I can record that window's contents to an mpeg file, and watch it in linux. Is that illegal?
I dont think so.
Can I read the contents of my computer's hardware, after all, I paid for it, and find out how to write software to read dvds, decrypt the data, and watch it in linux?
sure.
When I go out and buy a SB live I get mp3 ripping software. I can listen to this on my computer. in my car. anywhere. I can even invite my friends over to listen too!
why cant I write software that decodes dvds and watch them on my computer?
watch them in the back of my conversion van?
watch them anywhere infact, without buying a microsoft product?
This is just another situation where MS has the high ground.
everyone please support the linux DVD project.
email your congressmen.
email the poor guy who has to deside on this case.
lets let everyone know that we arn't a bunch of software pirating losers to cheap to pay for an operating system, or a movie for that matter.
Thanks for takeing the time to read this drawn out post.
PimpSmurf
"LOOK LOOK! I'm being oppressed." --monty python
word up kids!!!! ;)
Slackware 7.0 is out!
Maybe this release will make those glibc2 junkies chill out
I am happy to see slackware 7 finally stable, I have been working with slack 7 for weeks, and weeks. At least Pat lets everyone in the beeding edge community/wanna be beta testers stay in touch with whats happening... Slackware 7.0 (dont mind the meth induced version number change) is out with a vengence with glibc, the MOST updated, and secured deamons. Pat maynot have a crew of linux heavyweights to make kernel patches every 10 minutes, but it is still one of the best distros ever!
cheers!!
if time doesn't exist... why is it every 4 hours windows reboots itself? you can set your watch by that $hit.