There are projects that write more extensive general-purpose libraries than the one that comes with ocaml, for example OCaml ExtLib. I think the core OCaml group is plagued by an inclination towards using OCaml for research and academic purposes like proof tools etc, which takes away from the effort of writing large libraries for real-world use.
I agree the ugly imperative features like the loops can be done without (I've never had a use for them, or at least I've avoided them to feel "clean":), but sequential expressions are surely useful nonetheless? If nothing else, then just for 'print_endline "debug"; foo' and the like. Hell, even the print functions and all other IO functions compute by side-effect, I wouldn't want to be without them either:)
There are few things as beautiful as a useful, purely functional function, free of side-effects though.
Don't be sure sure. While IANAL, the minute you can produce child pornography with computers only, miles away from any child, it too will be outlawed (if it isn't already). It is moral hysteria, and it's in power.
I can't post links to the freesite (that's kinda pointless)
I have a freenet node running right now (the latest snapshots work very fine:), so I don't think it'd be pointless at all. I'd appreciate if you could post the freesite keys, as I haven't heard about this case before. Thanks.
If you're getting a yellow lighty it's because you're getting torrents from a firewally. Forward TCP portys 6881-6945 to your system, disconnect, and try againy.
Thanky for thisy tipsy, my Swedishy friendy. Borky bork.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize you live in Iran or Saudi Arabia or wherever. I guess I'm pretty spoilt, living in a modern European country where police don't have quite those powers you describe.
Finally, I'd like your prescription for how to shut down FreeNet, for instance, since the sickos are using it. Also, do tell me what methods of infiltration police could use to take it down. Because I'm sure the FreeNet developers themselves don't know about them yet.
BitTorrent is popular, and it is because it's highly usable. But if you have a very asynchronous internet connection (like 7xx/1xx ADSL), it won't work very well because you can't share a lot on that slow outwards connection, and BitTorrent lets you download fast if you share fast. And yes, my 4MB/sec was exceptional, and it was on my university connection just after a very popular Red Hat release, but still; whatever I want to download, if there is a torrent I always use it.
It has nothing to do with anonymity though. FreeNet is "anonymous", but it's not really a file sharing network. It's a publishing network which protects the identity of both publisher, hoster and consumer. This may sound like a piece of pie, but it's far from, and FreeNet has had to experiment a lot to get where they are today. It's just been months since the network started becoming usable again, and recently I've seen such insane speeds as 20KB/sec!;) But really, you have to choose between speed and anonymity, there'll always be a tradeoff. And if there's someday suddenly a product which claims anonymity while eliminating the speed barrier, well, I'll simply not believe it.
Honestly, it can't be about download speed. I've used Bittorrent before. It's slow.
I don't know why you make BitTorrent your big example of anonymous networks being pointless -- BitTorrent is just about the least anonymous kind of file sharing ever. Everybody can, anytime they want, get a complete list of IP addresses participating in the torrent, even split into "distributors" and "downloaders" (seeds and leeches if you will). They don't even have to participate in the torrent themselves, they just have to get the torrent file (~18KB), extract the Tracker URL, and enter it into their web browser. Another job well done.
And as for speed, with the right kind of Internet connection it's just about the quickest way to download things with. I've gotten Linux ISO files at 4MB/sec with it. But yes, the content has to be fairly recently shared, and torrents do die after a while, but that's the nature of BitTorrent.
if pedos start using this kind of thing the Police (or whoever monitors this shit) will step in and shut the affected networks down. And fair enough too.
Fair? Should whatever "the sickos" start using be shut down? The sickos are using the Internet, you know. Shut it down!:) Get them up against the wall!
The new anonymizing networks (not including the commercial ones, which I haven't looked at) cannot be shut down as such. And "whoever monitors this shit" is nobody, since all communications are heavily encrypted and even if you could decrypt it in time, you wouldn't be able to tell (or prove) who had requested or provided it. So you'd have to outlaw the networks themselves, but then, of course, only outlaws would have anonymity.
I looked at both their websites, and I have to say the screenshots look suspiciously alike. Are the just versions of eachother marketed seperately? Do they operate on the same network?
Can anybody explain briefly how they work, on the protocol level? They all claim "absolute anonymity" which we all know does not exist, so it's just a marketing term. How do these commercial offerings compare to free projects such as Mute and I2P? (Freenet is not comparable since it's not really a filesharing application)
Making sure that people who probably wouldn't pay for an OS anyways aren't helping to spread worms and infecting people who DO pay for the OS is just going to help MS. But the people who do pay would have access to the updates, right? So if you pay, you're safe. If you don't, can of worms. It would be like extortion, only legal.
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There are projects that write more extensive general-purpose libraries than the one that comes with ocaml, for example OCaml ExtLib. I think the core OCaml group is plagued by an inclination towards using OCaml for research and academic purposes like proof tools etc, which takes away from the effort of writing large libraries for real-world use.
I agree the ugly imperative features like the loops can be done without (I've never had a use for them, or at least I've avoided them to feel "clean" :), but sequential expressions are surely useful nonetheless? If nothing else, then just for 'print_endline "debug"; foo' and the like. Hell, even the print functions and all other IO functions compute by side-effect, I wouldn't want to be without them either :)
There are few things as beautiful as a useful, purely functional function, free of side-effects though.
Yes, here.
In fact, looks like he's already flipping burgers.
this independant research report agrees with you -- there is no way Ken Brown could have written that book from scratch.
Thugs like Brown are paid to believe what they say. It's doublethink in practice.
Very funny, Ken, you can stop astroturfing now. :)
s/sure sure/so sure/ even :)
Don't be sure sure. While IANAL, the minute you can produce child pornography with computers only, miles away from any child, it too will be outlawed (if it isn't already). It is moral hysteria, and it's in power.
Would you buy a burger from this man?
Too much work. Can't I just stay home and *SAY* I got a T-Shirt?
Wow, interesting stuff, thanks! :)
I'm not sure these patents are a lot saner than the US ones though.
I can't post links to the freesite (that's kinda pointless)
:), so I don't think it'd be pointless at all. I'd appreciate if you could post the freesite keys, as I haven't heard about this case before. Thanks.
I have a freenet node running right now (the latest snapshots work very fine
If you're getting a yellow lighty it's because you're getting torrents from a firewally. Forward TCP portys 6881-6945 to your system, disconnect, and try againy.
Thanky for thisy tipsy, my Swedishy friendy. Borky bork.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize you live in Iran or Saudi Arabia or wherever. I guess I'm pretty spoilt, living in a modern European country where police don't have quite those powers you describe.
Finally, I'd like your prescription for how to shut down FreeNet, for instance, since the sickos are using it. Also, do tell me what methods of infiltration police could use to take it down. Because I'm sure the FreeNet developers themselves don't know about them yet.
You mean like UDPP2P?
BitTorrent is popular, and it is because it's highly usable. But if you have a very asynchronous internet connection (like 7xx/1xx ADSL), it won't work very well because you can't share a lot on that slow outwards connection, and BitTorrent lets you download fast if you share fast. And yes, my 4MB/sec was exceptional, and it was on my university connection just after a very popular Red Hat release, but still; whatever I want to download, if there is a torrent I always use it.
;) But really, you have to choose between speed and anonymity, there'll always be a tradeoff. And if there's someday suddenly a product which claims anonymity while eliminating the speed barrier, well, I'll simply not believe it.
It has nothing to do with anonymity though. FreeNet is "anonymous", but it's not really a file sharing network. It's a publishing network which protects the identity of both publisher, hoster and consumer. This may sound like a piece of pie, but it's far from, and FreeNet has had to experiment a lot to get where they are today. It's just been months since the network started becoming usable again, and recently I've seen such insane speeds as 20KB/sec!
Hey, at least they are more honest than KaZaa.
Honestly, it can't be about download speed. I've used Bittorrent before. It's slow.
I don't know why you make BitTorrent your big example of anonymous networks being pointless -- BitTorrent is just about the least anonymous kind of file sharing ever. Everybody can, anytime they want, get a complete list of IP addresses participating in the torrent, even split into "distributors" and "downloaders" (seeds and leeches if you will). They don't even have to participate in the torrent themselves, they just have to get the torrent file (~18KB), extract the Tracker URL, and enter it into their web browser. Another job well done.
And as for speed, with the right kind of Internet connection it's just about the quickest way to download things with. I've gotten Linux ISO files at 4MB/sec with it. But yes, the content has to be fairly recently shared, and torrents do die after a while, but that's the nature of BitTorrent.
if pedos start using this kind of thing the Police (or whoever monitors this shit) will step in and shut the affected networks down. And fair enough too.
:) Get them up against the wall!
Fair? Should whatever "the sickos" start using be shut down? The sickos are using the Internet, you know. Shut it down!
The new anonymizing networks (not including the commercial ones, which I haven't looked at) cannot be shut down as such. And "whoever monitors this shit" is nobody, since all communications are heavily encrypted and even if you could decrypt it in time, you wouldn't be able to tell (or prove) who had requested or provided it. So you'd have to outlaw the networks themselves, but then, of course, only outlaws would have anonymity.
I looked at both their websites, and I have to say the screenshots look suspiciously alike. Are the just versions of eachother marketed seperately? Do they operate on the same network?
Can anybody explain briefly how they work, on the protocol level? They all claim "absolute anonymity" which we all know does not exist, so it's just a marketing term. How do these commercial offerings compare to free projects such as Mute and I2P? (Freenet is not comparable since it's not really a filesharing application)
Making sure that people who probably wouldn't pay for an OS anyways aren't helping to spread worms and infecting people who DO pay for the OS is just going to help MS.
But the people who do pay would have access to the updates, right? So if you pay, you're safe. If you don't, can of worms. It would be like extortion, only legal.
Yes, it would of been hard, but I bet it could of been done. I of no idea if anyone of done it yet, but yes, they could of.
Of a nice day.