I don't know where you guys are coming from. I've submitted a few bugs to bugs.kde.org, and I've never gotten harsh feedback. Even once when I committed the death sin of accidentally posting a duplicate (bug that were already submitted, but I didn't notice), I was still treated kindly and pointed to the other bug where, in the comments, one of the core developers pasted in my somewhat different suggestion for a solution for the record.
It is my experience also from the IRC channel that the KDE developers are great guys and girls -- a few of them even hang out and help users with their stupid problems (ok, s/users/me/, s/their/my/;).
Actually, everything must not be free. If seperate applications are less than free, ok, but infrastructural software should be. This includes operating systems, drivers and major class libraries and virtual machines. Personally, this ethical perspective is the number one reason I hope there will be an Free Software Java from SUN eventually.
I would love to see some of the lower-level KDE features made available to gnome through some kind of thunk layer. For example, blending gnome-vfs modules into the KIO subsystem, or blending KIO slaves into the Gnome VFS subsystem would be very very useful to me.
With fuse_kio, you can mount any KIO slave directoy on the file system, making them available to GNOME applications as well as GNU command line programs and any other *nix app.
Theming integration is also cool. Right now there is a gtk theme that uses the current KDE theme engine to draw the widgets. I would love to see a QT theme that uses the current GTK engine to draw widgets. Then a program like KDevelop might actually fit into my desktop.
The KDE people have done their part of the job (bringing Qt/KDE styles to GTK/GNOME), we're just waiting for the GNOME people's answer;)
While I appreciate the humor, all this has a reasonable explanation. This integration work in question is being done by KDE people, as part of a recent initiative to do something about KDE's reputation for only doing their own stuff, seemingly "starting over" (their own office suite, their own browser etc) where GNOME is adapting to existing technology. Basically, KDE is starting to show that it, too, can adapt existing technology.
This work is NOT being done by people who simply want more integration, but by people who want a more consistent KDE desktop. If the GNOME people want to integrate KDE apps so that they'll feel more like GNOME apps, they're free to do so.
Furthermore, you can download database dump snapshots and set up your own Wikipedia if you'd like. That's why I like Wikipedia more than the competition -- I know that if I contribute, it won't go away if the site goes away.
Your post makes no sense. If SUSE goes GNOME (although nobody said they are), then Mandrake is the only major distro left that focuses on KDE. This would work to their advantage, since, in my opinion, KDE is more friendly to newbies (as well as anybody else, but lets not go there).
And in any case, what Jon wrote was a Visual Basic GUI frontend to DeCSS, not DeCSS itself, which was written by a still-unknown crew member elsewhere in Europe.
In fact, I seem to remember Bruce pointing out, in an earlier version of the paper, that the license is the sole reason for the choice. Today's is a new version which is much shorter and to the point. For reference, see this blog entry.
From what I hear KDE seems to strive to make Konqueror into the next emacs, making sure you can do anything with it that you could possibly want (or in many cases NOT want:)
You heard wrong. Konqueror is three things:
A web browser -- standards compliant and getting close to matching the features of Mozilla, but with a fracture of the lines of code.
A file manager -- move and copy files, change names, make directories, standard stuff, but it's network transparent, so you could be working on your harddrive or a remove SSH or WEBDAV server, konqueror doesn't care. All done with components, no bloat at all.
A document viewer -- It can of course view many kinds of documents (through plugin components, so there's no bloat), but it's all read-only, nothing like Emacs at all.
So as you can see, there's no comparison with Emacs at all (ok, emacs can do all that konqueror can, but that is true for ANY application;).
If you were a big corporation and you could port your code to Linux and pay "not very much" to use QT, or nothing to use GTK, which are you going to pick?
I'm going to find out what the advantages of both are. It doesn't matter if GTK is free if I have to spend $10K extra developing my application with GTK than with Qt, which would have cost $2.5K for a license.
The LUG in my area, Bergen Linux User Group, implemented RFC1149 when Alan Cox visited (of course he was a key part of the project). Pigeons were used in a real-life experiment that had IP implemented over avian carriers. See the details with pictures here.
If you had put some effort into reading the article you talk about, you would have understood that it talks about three kinds of Linux users -- the "pros", the "priests" and the "zealots". These classes of users do exist. Of course the zealots are a great minority, but I have met one of them recently, and let me tell you he definitely does more damage than good, even if he doesn't realize it. If you look up "zealot", you may find it defined as "a fervent and even militant proponent of something", which is what zealot really means in this context.
Now, when you post with the subject line "Linux users are terrorists!!!!WTF!", that's not what the article you linked to argued at all. It claims there are pros and there are priests, and that's all good, but then there are zealots, and those are often extremist and some of them may apply "terrorist" strategies online, believing it helps "our" "cause". Some of them may launch DDoS attacks, and it doesn't help our cause at all.
The article may be unfair to Linux users in general, but blatantly misunderstanding it and crying foul doesn't help either.
It's interesting you can give a/. subscription as a gift to another user anonymously. Is that like the parallel to "a drink for you, my lady, from the mysterious gentleman in the back" or what?
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I don't know where you guys are coming from. I've submitted a few bugs to bugs.kde.org, and I've never gotten harsh feedback. Even once when I committed the death sin of accidentally posting a duplicate (bug that were already submitted, but I didn't notice), I was still treated kindly and pointed to the other bug where, in the comments, one of the core developers pasted in my somewhat different suggestion for a solution for the record.
;).
It is my experience also from the IRC channel that the KDE developers are great guys and girls -- a few of them even hang out and help users with their stupid problems (ok, s/users/me/, s/their/my/
Actually, everything must not be free. If seperate applications are less than free, ok, but infrastructural software should be. This includes operating systems, drivers and major class libraries and virtual machines. Personally, this ethical perspective is the number one reason I hope there will be an Free Software Java from SUN eventually.
Which is because the Gentoo folks don't care much about software freedom. This is not an alternative for distros like Debian, Fedora or Mandrake.
Of course, that article was taken from its Wikipedia origin, which is where you can read the latest version of it.
I would love to see some of the lower-level KDE features made available to gnome through some kind of thunk layer. For example, blending gnome-vfs modules into the KIO subsystem, or blending KIO slaves into the Gnome VFS subsystem would be very very useful to me.
;)
With fuse_kio, you can mount any KIO slave directoy on the file system, making them available to GNOME applications as well as GNU command line programs and any other *nix app.
Theming integration is also cool. Right now there is a gtk theme that uses the current KDE theme engine to draw the widgets. I would love to see a QT theme that uses the current GTK engine to draw widgets. Then a program like KDevelop might actually fit into my desktop.
The KDE people have done their part of the job (bringing Qt/KDE styles to GTK/GNOME), we're just waiting for the GNOME people's answer
You know, the entire world has not yet adopted American World Standard Time or whatever you call it ;)
And then there were those words of wisdom from mysterious Dennis. He must be a smart guy because there are *many* files with his words.
I'm guessing it's this guy. Washed-out 70's reggae artist goes to work for Microsoft, sounds credible to me.
Mirror with comments.
Hope it's all just a bluff.
But it could of cared if more people would of used correct grammar.
I for one welcome our new "I for one welcome our new ... overlords" moderating overlords."
Remember kids, you can't spell "fiasco" without SCO.
While I appreciate the humor, all this has a reasonable explanation. This integration work in question is being done by KDE people, as part of a recent initiative to do something about KDE's reputation for only doing their own stuff, seemingly "starting over" (their own office suite, their own browser etc) where GNOME is adapting to existing technology. Basically, KDE is starting to show that it, too, can adapt existing technology.
This work is NOT being done by people who simply want more integration, but by people who want a more consistent KDE desktop. If the GNOME people want to integrate KDE apps so that they'll feel more like GNOME apps, they're free to do so.
Anyone on /. is experiencing the same thing.
That's a pretty unfounded claim. I'm sure there are people on slashdot that are not experiencing the same thing.
And even if they do read the whole thing, the slew of spalling arrors won't make a good impression of KDE.
Furthermore, you can download database dump snapshots and set up your own Wikipedia if you'd like. That's why I like Wikipedia more than the competition -- I know that if I contribute, it won't go away if the site goes away.
Your post makes no sense. If SUSE goes GNOME (although nobody said they are), then Mandrake is the only major distro left that focuses on KDE. This would work to their advantage, since, in my opinion, KDE is more friendly to newbies (as well as anybody else, but lets not go there).
Agree totally. Those seagulls are quite characteristic of a lot of things, not least of all SCO claims of lately. Pity about the offtopic mod.
And in any case, what Jon wrote was a Visual Basic GUI frontend to DeCSS, not DeCSS itself, which was written by a still-unknown crew member elsewhere in Europe.
In fact, I seem to remember Bruce pointing out, in an earlier version of the paper, that the license is the sole reason for the choice. Today's is a new version which is much shorter and to the point. For reference, see this blog entry.
You heard wrong. Konqueror is three things:
- A web browser -- standards compliant and getting close to matching the features of Mozilla, but with a fracture of the lines of code.
- A file manager -- move and copy files, change names, make directories, standard stuff, but it's network transparent, so you could be working on your harddrive or a remove SSH or WEBDAV server, konqueror doesn't care. All done with components, no bloat at all.
- A document viewer -- It can of course view many kinds of documents (through plugin components, so there's no bloat), but it's all read-only, nothing like Emacs at all.
So as you can see, there's no comparison with Emacs at all (ok, emacs can do all that konqueror can, but that is true for ANY applicationWe get signal 11!
If you were a big corporation and you could port your code to Linux and pay "not very much" to use QT, or nothing to use GTK, which are you going to pick?
I'm going to find out what the advantages of both are. It doesn't matter if GTK is free if I have to spend $10K extra developing my application with GTK than with Qt, which would have cost $2.5K for a license.
The LUG in my area, Bergen Linux User Group, implemented RFC1149 when Alan Cox visited (of course he was a key part of the project). Pigeons were used in a real-life experiment that had IP implemented over avian carriers. See the details with pictures here.
If you had put some effort into reading the article you talk about, you would have understood that it talks about three kinds of Linux users -- the "pros", the "priests" and the "zealots". These classes of users do exist. Of course the zealots are a great minority, but I have met one of them recently, and let me tell you he definitely does more damage than good, even if he doesn't realize it. If you look up "zealot", you may find it defined as "a fervent and even militant proponent of something", which is what zealot really means in this context.
Now, when you post with the subject line "Linux users are terrorists!!!!WTF!", that's not what the article you linked to argued at all. It claims there are pros and there are priests, and that's all good, but then there are zealots, and those are often extremist and some of them may apply "terrorist" strategies online, believing it helps "our" "cause". Some of them may launch DDoS attacks, and it doesn't help our cause at all.
The article may be unfair to Linux users in general, but blatantly misunderstanding it and crying foul doesn't help either.
It's interesting you can give a /. subscription as a gift to another user anonymously. Is that like the parallel to "a drink for you, my lady, from the mysterious gentleman in the back" or what?