In a DDoS, you might have a million machines all pinging. How do you propose to store, look up, and update the last ping time for 100 million pings per second? A quick off-the-cuff calculation shows that *just the storage* for 10 seconds of such recording would take around 8Gb (32b IP and 32b timestamp).
You don't need to keep track of every ping. Keep track of each IP and the number of pings recieved. Flush the data periodically to expire them.
Length of attack becomes irrelevant, as does the exact ping rate. (as far as storage goes anyway)
So 1 million * 12-byte record (4-IP, 4-last ping time, 4-count) = 12MB.
The CPU time required to check would probably still make this infeasable.
This is one of the weakest assumptions I have seen here in a while. The notion that humans are inherently capitalist ignores the systematic brainwashing we have lived under for hundreds of years.
That's not what I said.
In a society based on generosity, greedy people will prosper and ruin the system.
In a society based on greed, generous people will have very little effect on the system.
You have to eliminate ALL greedy people to have a successful generosity-based society. Removing all greed would requre a change in the basic nature of the human race.
It's called CAPITALISM. Look out for your own interests first. It's selfish and greedy, but people are gonna be like that anyway, if you don't play the game, you get screwed. (remember, you're a citizen longer than you're an employee)
Personally, I'd love to see a different solution, but you'd have to change the basic nature of the human race first.
If Microsoft decided to outsource half their workforce to India, what would happen?
Some amount of wealth would move from the US economy to India. The quality of life in the US would decrease slightly (esp. among programmers at first, but it will affect the entire economy eventually), and in India it would increase. Overall this would probably be a good thing, but for US citizens, it would not be.
India has less wealth than the US, so the US has a greater capacity to send wealth to India than India has to return it.
A more equal distribution of wealth would be a good thing, but we already know that communism doesn't work.
One thing that bugs me a bit about this article is that it defines an exploit as a security hole. While this is true, the tone of the article makes it sound worse than it really is.
Wha? An exploit is *not* a security hole. An exploit is when someone takes advantage of a security hole. Ya know, they exploit it.
In my experience, the back button is almost always used for "no, that isn't what I want, go back and try something else." The previous pages you went back from are very rarely relevant. Tabs or windows can cover other uses, assuming the user is aware of them and they're easy to use/understand.
Thus if you are on, say, page 2, and click the back button to page 1, then follow a link to page 3, the list stored in the back button is 1 - 2 - 3, and you will go back to page 2.
This alternate behavior would be a nightmare. (and I'm a programmer, so stfu you UI design hippies;)
Let's say you wanted to repeat this, and go to page 4 (also linked off of page 1). You'd have to go back to page 2, then back to page 1 before you could get to page 4.
Now suppose you wanted to go to page 5. You go back to page 3, then back to page 2, then back to page 1. As you can imagine, this quickly becomes unusable. You have to keep going back through everything you didn't want.
Try viewing a page with width=% on a very high resolution. The lines will get incredibly long and it's hard for the eyes to track to the next line.
Use em measurements for everything. That way, if the user has a larger/smaller screen they can just adjust the font size. (tho this isn't ideal either)
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These are all temporary solutions. What would be great is to have a user-defined javascript which could deny any action based on whatever criteria you want.
Then you wouldn't have to sit back and say "or how about matching originating host *and* image size?" you could just write the javascript for it yourself. (or someone else could, but the point is they wouldn't need browser-source-godliness)
Additionally, since there wouldn't necessarily be thousands of people using exactly the same method, it would be harder to write anti-anti-annoyance stuff.
You identify the problem as "the religious right" and then claim that it is "religion." These are not the same thing.
This is like saying that there's an increase of violece due to insane video game players who are out of touch with reality, so video games are obviously to blame.
Religion... a crutch.
I counter your insightful argument with "athiests are a bunch of poop-throwing monkeys."
In most cases, from what I remember (and it has been awhile since I studied the Old Testament) the Israelites were generally forbidden from marrying outside of themselves so that they would not become "tainted" by other beliefs or begin worshipping their Gods.
Generally, but then there's foreigners like Rahab and Ruth who ended up in Jesus' blood line.
The books of Leviticus and Deuteronomy (I think) lay out the Law of Moses wherein I think sex outside of marriage is sinful
Adultery is covered in the 10 commandments.
Premarital sex isn't specifically listed as wrong, but there is a punishment for it: marriage.
I think that an argument can be made (if you believe in God -- which you apparently don't but bear with me anyways) that the Israelites were used by God as a tool against wickedness.
I believe there are two circumstances where God commanded His people to go to war: when clearing out their land, and in self defence. (Israel was NEVER told to expand their boundaries beyond what was originally given to them.) I think self defence is clearly ok.
As for clearing out their land, what would you do if people move on to your land while you're away and are willing to fight to stay? These people had advance warning that Israel was coming and could have left, they knew that staying meant war.
Of course, you could dispute whether or not is was legitimately their land, but ultimately if God created the world, it's His land, to give to who He wishes. If you've got a server someplace on the net with lousy security and I set up a site there, you are completely justified in locking me out and deleting all the files.
In The Old Testament, Sins were atoned for in blood -- blood sacrifices usually but death of the sinner in some cases
Actually, it's always the death of the sinner, tho usually only in symbol. After Christ's sacrifice, the price is the same, the life of the sinner, tho the physical death has been taken care of.
(If it's a percentage, then why does the unit matter?)
Haven't you ever noticed that drinks are rated in "percent alcohol by volume"? If you did percent by mass, you'd get a different number, because the alcohol has a different mass per unit volume than the other content.
Clearly, video- or speech-based input would have a more gigabytes per second transferred than keyboard and mouse input (if you could measure such a thing accurately), so if it were percent of time the percent would be different. Of course, given the incredible difference in bandwidth used by different input methods, "volume in gigabytes" seems like a rather silly metric.
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It seems like the "Unix method" of creating a tool set: create a number of small, simple tools with functional interfaces that each do their job well. Don't worry about flashy graphics or bundle them into one bloat-o-rific monster.
"You get what you pay for" is one of those meaningless phrases that people generally agree with just because they've heard it so many times. If you say "the best things in life in free", many of those same people will agree wholeheartedly.
Not so fast, these are not contradictory. If something is free, clearly you didn't pay for it, thus "you get what you pay for" does not apply. This says nothing about what you don't pay for. Obviously those are the best things in life, if you can manage to get them.
they'll start selling the idle time on their customers computers to other customers.
Juno actually tried this at one point, but they seem to have backed off. Of course, with juno, their "customers" aren't really customers, just eyeballs behind a computer to view ads.
This is one way to deal with spam, but if you spam a spammer, you will become a spammer
The people who signed him up for stuff are not spamming him, you can't spam one person. I suppose the correct term for this would be "mail bomb" but that has different meaning when dealing with physical mail.
The reference is here [interieur.gouv.fr]. I must admit I'm touched by all these offers of help: I only mentioned it to make a general point...
Heh, that's what happens when you get modded up, people offer to help in order to destroy each of your examples until you're left with a swiss-cheese argument.:)
In any case, I get the same results as gid: no minimum font size, all's fine. Strange.
Just spent half an hour trying (unsuccessfully) to persuade Mozilla not to reduce all the pages on a French government site to 4 point text (why would this be a feature for anyone unless your name is Stuart Little?).
Did you try the little box at the bottom of the fonts section of the preferences labelled "minimum font size"? I would, but you don't give any references, so you're not really helping at all.
Is the concept of "pay me for work" completely dead? Must everything be "pay me for work, and keep paying me for years later too?"
It's not that, it's distributed payment for work. It's "I want to be paid in full, but they don't want to pay that much so we'll compromize."
Let's say a coder produces a program at $100/hr and it takes 4,000 hours. This will cost $400,000. No one wants to pay $400,000 for that software. This company in question specifically does not want to pay $400,000.
So what do you do? You sell it to them cheaper and say "but you can't sell this to anyone else, because you haven't fully paid me for it."
It's like a rental, except it's not time based because no one ever has to return it. Instead, it's instance based. You rent x copies of the code, forever. To be fair, they should be able to sell their copies so long as they stop using them (and don't sell more than they've bought).
Now eventually the coder may have made the full cost of the software, been fully compensated. They could release it for free after this, but software isn't a sure bet. You can have one product make a substancial profit and have another be a total loss. If the potentially profitting projects were cut off when they had been fully paid, all software companies would lose money.
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In a DDoS, you might have a million machines all pinging. How do you propose to store, look up, and update the last ping time for 100 million pings per second? A quick off-the-cuff calculation shows that *just the storage* for 10 seconds of such recording would take around 8Gb (32b IP and 32b timestamp).
You don't need to keep track of every ping. Keep track of each IP and the number of pings recieved. Flush the data periodically to expire them.
Length of attack becomes irrelevant, as does the exact ping rate. (as far as storage goes anyway)
So 1 million * 12-byte record (4-IP, 4-last ping time, 4-count) = 12MB.
The CPU time required to check would probably still make this infeasable.
This is one of the weakest assumptions I have seen here in a while. The notion that humans are inherently capitalist ignores the systematic brainwashing we have lived under for hundreds of years.
That's not what I said.
In a society based on generosity, greedy people will prosper and ruin the system.
In a society based on greed, generous people will have very little effect on the system.
You have to eliminate ALL greedy people to have a successful generosity-based society. Removing all greed would requre a change in the basic nature of the human race.
Protectionism is a refuge of the selfish.
It's called CAPITALISM. Look out for your own interests first. It's selfish and greedy, but people are gonna be like that anyway, if you don't play the game, you get screwed. (remember, you're a citizen longer than you're an employee)
Personally, I'd love to see a different solution, but you'd have to change the basic nature of the human race first.
If Microsoft decided to outsource half their workforce to India, what would happen?
Some amount of wealth would move from the US economy to India. The quality of life in the US would decrease slightly (esp. among programmers at first, but it will affect the entire economy eventually), and in India it would increase. Overall this would probably be a good thing, but for US citizens, it would not be.
India has less wealth than the US, so the US has a greater capacity to send wealth to India than India has to return it.
A more equal distribution of wealth would be a good thing, but we already know that communism doesn't work.
One thing that bugs me a bit about this article is that it defines an exploit as a security hole. While this is true, the tone of the article makes it sound worse than it really is.
Wha? An exploit is *not* a security hole. An exploit is when someone takes advantage of a security hole. Ya know, they exploit it.
In my experience, the back button is almost always used for "no, that isn't what I want, go back and try something else." The previous pages you went back from are very rarely relevant. Tabs or windows can cover other uses, assuming the user is aware of them and they're easy to use/understand.
;)
Thus if you are on, say, page 2, and click the back button to page 1, then follow a link to page 3, the list stored in the back button is 1 - 2 - 3, and you will go back to page 2.
This alternate behavior would be a nightmare. (and I'm a programmer, so stfu you UI design hippies
Let's say you wanted to repeat this, and go to page 4 (also linked off of page 1). You'd have to go back to page 2, then back to page 1 before you could get to page 4.
Now suppose you wanted to go to page 5. You go back to page 3, then back to page 2, then back to page 1. As you can imagine, this quickly becomes unusable. You have to keep going back through everything you didn't want.
I don't think that the self-winding technology is setting the price, just the low production quantities.
New technology, limited quantity, hand made by the inventor. Case is 18 karat gold.
There are lots of things affecting the price here.
Try viewing a page with width=% on a very high resolution. The lines will get incredibly long and it's hard for the eyes to track to the next line.
Use em measurements for everything. That way, if the user has a larger/smaller screen they can just adjust the font size. (tho this isn't ideal either)
These are all temporary solutions. What would be great is to have a user-defined javascript which could deny any action based on whatever criteria you want.
Then you wouldn't have to sit back and say "or how about matching originating host *and* image size?" you could just write the javascript for it yourself. (or someone else could, but the point is they wouldn't need browser-source-godliness)
Additionally, since there wouldn't necessarily be thousands of people using exactly the same method, it would be harder to write anti-anti-annoyance stuff.
Good thing I use MUGS.
I mean what use is a CUP with a HOLE in it?
You identify the problem as "the religious right" and then claim that it is "religion." These are not the same thing.
... a crutch.
This is like saying that there's an increase of violece due to insane video game players who are out of touch with reality, so video games are obviously to blame.
Religion
I counter your insightful argument with "athiests are a bunch of poop-throwing monkeys."
w00t! 10 points!
In most cases, from what I remember (and it has been awhile since I studied the Old Testament) the Israelites were generally forbidden from marrying outside of themselves so that they would not become "tainted" by other beliefs or begin worshipping their Gods.
Generally, but then there's foreigners like Rahab and Ruth who ended up in Jesus' blood line.
The books of Leviticus and Deuteronomy (I think) lay out the Law of Moses wherein I think sex outside of marriage is sinful
Adultery is covered in the 10 commandments.
Premarital sex isn't specifically listed as wrong, but there is a punishment for it: marriage.
I think that an argument can be made (if you believe in God -- which you apparently don't but bear with me anyways) that the Israelites were used by God as a tool against wickedness.
I believe there are two circumstances where God commanded His people to go to war: when clearing out their land, and in self defence. (Israel was NEVER told to expand their boundaries beyond what was originally given to them.) I think self defence is clearly ok.
As for clearing out their land, what would you do if people move on to your land while you're away and are willing to fight to stay? These people had advance warning that Israel was coming and could have left, they knew that staying meant war.
Of course, you could dispute whether or not is was legitimately their land, but ultimately if God created the world, it's His land, to give to who He wishes. If you've got a server someplace on the net with lousy security and I set up a site there, you are completely justified in locking me out and deleting all the files.
In The Old Testament, Sins were atoned for in blood -- blood sacrifices usually but death of the sinner in some cases
Actually, it's always the death of the sinner, tho usually only in symbol. After Christ's sacrifice, the price is the same, the life of the sinner, tho the physical death has been taken care of.
(If it's a percentage, then why does the unit matter?)
Haven't you ever noticed that drinks are rated in "percent alcohol by volume"? If you did percent by mass, you'd get a different number, because the alcohol has a different mass per unit volume than the other content.
Clearly, video- or speech-based input would have a more gigabytes per second transferred than keyboard and mouse input (if you could measure such a thing accurately), so if it were percent of time the percent would be different. Of course, given the incredible difference in bandwidth used by different input methods, "volume in gigabytes" seems like a rather silly metric.
It seems like the "Unix method" of creating a tool set: create a number of small, simple tools with functional interfaces that each do their job well. Don't worry about flashy graphics or bundle them into one bloat-o-rific monster.
"I'm sorry sir, your floppy disk has been declined."
"You get what you pay for" is one of those meaningless phrases that people generally agree with just because they've heard it so many times. If you say "the best things in life in free", many of those same people will agree wholeheartedly.
Not so fast, these are not contradictory. If something is free, clearly you didn't pay for it, thus "you get what you pay for" does not apply. This says nothing about what you don't pay for. Obviously those are the best things in life, if you can manage to get them.
One word: Greed.
Don't complain too much, greed is the driving force in capitalism.
they'll start selling the idle time on their customers computers to other customers.
Juno actually tried this at one point, but they seem to have backed off. Of course, with juno, their "customers" aren't really customers, just eyeballs behind a computer to view ads.
One of the PBS stations here (KTEH) played it twice. Naturally, I had the VCR ready the second time. :)
This is one way to deal with spam, but if you spam a spammer, you will become a spammer
The people who signed him up for stuff are not spamming him, you can't spam one person. I suppose the correct term for this would be "mail bomb" but that has different meaning when dealing with physical mail.
Since when is 1% a lot?
Since 1% is 150k for a minor fix.
The reference is here [interieur.gouv.fr]. I must admit I'm touched by all these offers of help: I only mentioned it to make a general point...
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Heh, that's what happens when you get modded up, people offer to help in order to destroy each of your examples until you're left with a swiss-cheese argument.
In any case, I get the same results as gid: no minimum font size, all's fine. Strange.
Just spent half an hour trying (unsuccessfully) to persuade Mozilla not to reduce all the pages on a French government site to 4 point text (why would this be a feature for anyone unless your name is Stuart Little?).
Did you try the little box at the bottom of the fonts section of the preferences labelled "minimum font size"? I would, but you don't give any references, so you're not really helping at all.
"Windows" is also the generic term for eh... "windows" on the computer screen. Those rectangular things that have stuff in them, they're windows.
Windows was called Windows because it uses windows. Now they want to retroactively force the term windows to only apply to Windows.
Is the concept of "pay me for work" completely dead? Must everything be "pay me for work, and keep paying me for years later too?"
It's not that, it's distributed payment for work. It's "I want to be paid in full, but they don't want to pay that much so we'll compromize."
Let's say a coder produces a program at $100/hr and it takes 4,000 hours. This will cost $400,000. No one wants to pay $400,000 for that software. This company in question specifically does not want to pay $400,000.
So what do you do? You sell it to them cheaper and say "but you can't sell this to anyone else, because you haven't fully paid me for it."
It's like a rental, except it's not time based because no one ever has to return it. Instead, it's instance based. You rent x copies of the code, forever. To be fair, they should be able to sell their copies so long as they stop using them (and don't sell more than they've bought).
Now eventually the coder may have made the full cost of the software, been fully compensated. They could release it for free after this, but software isn't a sure bet. You can have one product make a substancial profit and have another be a total loss. If the potentially profitting projects were cut off when they had been fully paid, all software companies would lose money.
Boy, reading through the comments here reminds me of reading creature stories for Black & White whenever that came out.