It doesn't take much more than a fifth grade education to understand the distinction between public and free software. I won't bother with a detailed breakdown of your FUD, I'm sure you've got the necessary skills to look up the GPL or read commentary about it. But fundamentally, your idea that only proprietary software can be commercial is retarded.
I dunno. His argument sounds alot more reasonable and reasoned than your off-the-cuff rant.:P
I suspect if you replaced his use of the context free with the context public, his argument will still hold true.
Let's try it shall we?
Yeah.
It's constantly amazing to me too how many of the Gnu-Uber-Alles folks don't really understand that they are [placing their work in the public domain] and can not reasonably expect anything in return. Not a salary, not an occasional trip, not even acknowledgement. [Public means public], you can't expect jack in return. Those are the terms you choose when you use the GPL!
Feeling otherwise really is just feeling proprietary, like the fruits of your work is your property and you can expect something in return. Sorry, that's not what the GPL is about, the GPL is about giving up any control you have over how the result is used or how (or whether) you are compensated (beyond the GPL). The "[publicdom (the grammar fairy just died)]" isn't for the creator of the new work, [it] is for the users to not owe you a damned thing in return.
Works for me!! Especially about the users not oweing you a thing. Morally they might do... but legally?
I was once doing at least 70mph on a motorway overtaking a slower car and a lorry when the slow car decided to pull into my lane to overtake the lorry.
Unfortunately there was another car overtaking me in the fast lane. I was aware that the car overtaking me was still slightly behind me and accelerated as I swerved into the fast lane. It was all a bit hairy but luckily there wasn't a crash, just some serious adrenaline.
But it might have turned out differently if my car decided to brake!! I'd like to see how this thing works in real life.
I heard an interview with the scientist this morning on BBC Radio 4. The news reader asked him 3 or 4 times what were the potential uses for the tape.
Every single time the scientist shot off at a tangent talking about the science and properties of the tape.
"blah blah you can wipe dirt off blah blah blah it's dry blah blah blah"
At the end of the 3-4 minute interview he still hadn't answered the question. The news reader laughed and said something along the lines of "you never answered the question. Next on the news is...".
>>There are a lot of reasons why so-called private devices would want a real IP address. First and foremost is so that they can send out requests to the Internet and the receiver of requests will know where to send the response.
Question: Why would you want a private device making requests on a public network? I don't know about you but if I was setting up a large amount of private equipment all of which are ip enabled then I would definitely have a private network.
the President has his password set as 'IBGOD' and the head of networking doesn't have the guts to point out this is a bad choice for a password?
Heh.... if the head of networking knows what the presidents password is then he's tried guessing it and wouldn't mention it because he could then be accused of cracking.;)
IT systems should never ever display a users password. Not even to the user.
Before I continue, let me first point out that "good products" are relative.
Agreed.
Regarding viewpoint on MS' morality. You could also say it's just a viewpoint that the sexual mutilation of girls is immoral. Just a viewpoint that raping women is wrong. And so on and so forth.
Pffff. Let's just compare raping women with coporate theft and bullying. Next we can compare underage sex with smoking weed.;)
Anyway, I really don't want to continue this argument. One might be better than the other but exposure to both is the best option in my opinion.
If someone is skilled in GNU/Linux, they can easily translate those skills over to MS Windows. Let's not pretend it takes much intelligence to operate MS Windows.
I concede your point that they don't have to throw away their MS products but it does take training to move onto MS's products. We're not talking about skill here cause the most intelligent person can sit infront a computer and not know how to use it. They'll learn faster but it doesn't guarantee immediate skill. (case in point - your experience with MSWord. You need to be trained in the product in order to use it properly (I do agree that it can be a pain))
What good? Where are these good MS products?
1. Win 2K
2. MS Word (it's good when you know how to use it)
3. Outlook (amazing mail client. Combines mail management with a great calender, taxonomy and task list)
4. Excel
5. Access (shit product if you want a proper database but excellent product if you want a small database with strong user interface, integration and reporting and I think you'll find that management really wants reporting)
6. MSProject
7. MSVisio (heavy but one of the best products out there for flowcharting and process management)
8. Internet Explorer (I agree with your points but it degrades a hell of a lot more gracefully than any of the other browsers out there. It certaintly never brought my system down like NS.. but we're only talking 5.5 and later - I take issue with it's W3C compliance but I've come to realise that it's not as evil as I first thought... unless you use it on a Mac *shudder*)
9. SQLServer 2000 - Just yum - that is all.
that still does not mean that using them is acceptable among principled people.
No argument there cause that's a viewpoint. I'd like to think that I pick my battles but in reality I think that I'm not as concerned as you regarding this issue - I just don't believe MS is as evil as people scream. I think the ranting reminiscent of religious nuts pushes me towards disbelief. I wouldn't work for Nestle or AOL.;) I'd snap up a job for MS though. I hear their employee perks are tremendous.
Let's not pretend that the university would be denying students choice by not buying MS products.
We're not pretending. It's absolutely true.
These students could use whatever they want on their own computers. Exposing them to Linux at the libraries and other public areas would expose them to an operating system which is more likely than not the direction of the future.
And if you're wrong you've damaged the marketability and general knowledge of the students... severely. An example is that my university choose to use Java as the OO language. I had no exposure to C or C++. On leaving university all I could see in the job listings is "C++ programmer wanted."
It also doesn't matter if Linux ends up being the winner in the O/S war (if there IS a winner) because MS is the dominant force in the marketplace right now. University courses take anything from 3 years to 5 years. Do you honestly believe that MS won't be around the workplace in 3 to 5 years?
As a future employer of these students I want my staff to be able to walk in my office on day one and know how to send an email and compose a word document.
MS may be the dominant force, but it has no-where to go but down, and it's insistence on making crappy products, illegally using it's monopoly power, and depriving consumers of their rights will certainly accelerate its downfall.
I'm starting to think you're a troll. The problem with rampant advocates of MS's evil is that they do not/can not/will not see any good in any of the products. And that's a crying shame because you should be able to make the best with with what you've got.
Finally, exposing students to Linux exposes them to the way computer's really work. Linux -- though it now has easy-to-use interfaces -- does not hide it's workings from the user, as does Windows.
I agree but you should expose students to as much variation as possible. Much better to have a student who can support a mixed network rather than someone who can only support one network.
If the student decides that they want to concentrate all their skills on one particular OS then fine but what kind of teacher are you if you force that choice upon them? That's like forcing your child into a specific profession.
My mental well-being? That's it? I'll get to retain my standards, ethics, and physical well-being, too? This game testing 'job' keeps looking better and better...
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you...
Looking at your sig, you've already lost your mental well-being. Win-win situation!!;)
>> Stereo sound on the Amiga and Atari systems was used for directional sound. If a monster was off to your left, the sound came out of the left hand speaker..
I dunno man. I never got the sound direction to work properly. My sound came from the right when the monsters came from the left and vice versa. I still have nightmares where the monsters appear from the other side.
>> I made a 700mb CD image full of the that same file repeated 70 times ...
The probability of me losing that data is probably lower than time reversing itself to the point where I decided to back it up, and then reversing that decision.
And yet if the original file is corrupt, you're screwed.
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>>Either that or the shuttle was shot down by an Al Quaida operated railgun lent to Osama by Saddam and fired from Cuba! (those railguns have long range you know).
Actually Osama was taught how to build railguns by the CIA.;)
Saddam has railguns too but those were bought from the Brits.
> > On the whole SCSI is still a more complex technology, and I would not be surprised if tested with higher margin / more thoroughly due to the "enterprise level reliability" thing.
Yeah but since the 10000 rpm ATA drive is ALSO billed as enterprise technology, and hence ALSO needs "enterprise level reliability", that cannot be a factor why SCSI testing costs more.
n.b. Yes I know you didn't say that it WAS a factor in costs but a factor in thouroughness... but I'm equating the two. Sue me.;)
When MS were starting out, the lowest margin, most easily accessed market was the WP/spreadsheet client. Nowadays, clients are expensive things with lots of graphics and ram and commodity features, and it's the small server market that's low margin and easy to get into.
True. On a related note I don't think Open Source systems got into the small server market because of a marketing decision. I think that it happened naturally because small servers normally sit in an environment with the knowledgable tech support necessary to keep an Open Source system functional (also small server buyers normally don't have the financial resources available to the larger firms). Open Source developers and ditributers are simply responding to the demand.
Of course my theory bodes well for Open Source because if the demand is driven naturally and isn't artifically flavoured by aggresive marketing then it indicates a good product.
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...go sit on a beach for a while with a beer in hand...
;-)
He can't afford a beer.
The point about GPL is that you can't get ripped off. If they rip you off,...
Error number ADR: Contradiction alert!!
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It doesn't take much more than a fifth grade education to understand the distinction between public and free software. I won't bother with a detailed breakdown of your FUD, I'm sure you've got the necessary skills to look up the GPL or read commentary about it. But fundamentally, your idea that only proprietary software can be commercial is retarded.
:P
I dunno. His argument sounds alot more reasonable and reasoned than your off-the-cuff rant.
I suspect if you replaced his use of the context free with the context public, his argument will still hold true.
Let's try it shall we?
Yeah.
It's constantly amazing to me too how many of the Gnu-Uber-Alles folks don't really understand that they are [placing their work in the public domain] and can not reasonably expect anything in return. Not a salary, not an occasional trip, not even acknowledgement. [Public means public], you can't expect jack in return. Those are the terms you choose when you use the GPL!
Feeling otherwise really is just feeling proprietary, like the fruits of your work is your property and you can expect something in return. Sorry, that's not what the GPL is about, the GPL is about giving up any control you have over how the result is used or how (or whether) you are compensated (beyond the GPL). The "[publicdom (the grammar fairy just died)]" isn't for the creator of the new work, [it] is for the users to not owe you a damned thing in return.
Works for me!! Especially about the users not oweing you a thing. Morally they might do... but legally?
Rocket to start it spinning.
Electromagnetic force to recharge after momentum exchange.
Actually I've missed the point cause you could not possibly be asking such a simple question on slashdot.
>> Anyone get what is wrong with this post? Yup, the girlfriend.
Actually I thought it was that he seems to be bomarding his girlfriend with orbital debris.
>> and it can withstand many years of bombardment by orbital debris
I know I haven't had any for a while but I'm pretty sure I can't get my debris into orbit.
I was once doing at least 70mph on a motorway overtaking a slower car and a lorry when the slow car decided to pull into my lane to overtake the lorry.
Unfortunately there was another car overtaking me in the fast lane. I was aware that the car overtaking me was still slightly behind me and accelerated as I swerved into the fast lane. It was all a bit hairy but luckily there wasn't a crash, just some serious adrenaline.
But it might have turned out differently if my car decided to brake!! I'd like to see how this thing works in real life.
I heard an interview with the scientist this morning on BBC Radio 4. The news reader asked him 3 or 4 times what were the potential uses for the tape. Every single time the scientist shot off at a tangent talking about the science and properties of the tape. "blah blah you can wipe dirt off blah blah blah it's dry blah blah blah" At the end of the 3-4 minute interview he still hadn't answered the question. The news reader laughed and said something along the lines of "you never answered the question. Next on the news is ...".
>>There are a lot of reasons why so-called private devices would want a real IP address. First and foremost is so that they can send out requests to the Internet and the receiver of requests will know where to send the response.
Question: Why would you want a private device making requests on a public network? I don't know about you but if I was setting up a large amount of private equipment all of which are ip enabled then I would definitely have a private network.
the President has his password set as 'IBGOD' and the head of networking doesn't have the guts to point out this is a bad choice for a password?
;)
Heh.... if the head of networking knows what the presidents password is then he's tried guessing it and wouldn't mention it because he could then be accused of cracking.
IT systems should never ever display a users password. Not even to the user.
It helps if you work for a brewery. ;) /gloat
Before I continue, let me first point out that "good products" are relative.
;)
Agreed.
Regarding viewpoint on MS' morality. You could also say it's just a viewpoint that the sexual mutilation of girls is immoral. Just a viewpoint that raping women is wrong. And so on and so forth.
Pffff. Let's just compare raping women with coporate theft and bullying. Next we can compare underage sex with smoking weed.
Anyway, I really don't want to continue this argument. One might be better than the other but exposure to both is the best option in my opinion.
If someone is skilled in GNU/Linux, they can easily translate those skills over to MS Windows. Let's not pretend it takes much intelligence to operate MS Windows.
;) I'd snap up a job for MS though. I hear their employee perks are tremendous.
I concede your point that they don't have to throw away their MS products but it does take training to move onto MS's products. We're not talking about skill here cause the most intelligent person can sit infront a computer and not know how to use it. They'll learn faster but it doesn't guarantee immediate skill. (case in point - your experience with MSWord. You need to be trained in the product in order to use it properly (I do agree that it can be a pain))
What good? Where are these good MS products?
1. Win 2K
2. MS Word (it's good when you know how to use it)
3. Outlook (amazing mail client. Combines mail management with a great calender, taxonomy and task list)
4. Excel
5. Access (shit product if you want a proper database but excellent product if you want a small database with strong user interface, integration and reporting and I think you'll find that management really wants reporting)
6. MSProject
7. MSVisio (heavy but one of the best products out there for flowcharting and process management)
8. Internet Explorer (I agree with your points but it degrades a hell of a lot more gracefully than any of the other browsers out there. It certaintly never brought my system down like NS.. but we're only talking 5.5 and later - I take issue with it's W3C compliance but I've come to realise that it's not as evil as I first thought... unless you use it on a Mac *shudder*)
9. SQLServer 2000 - Just yum - that is all.
that still does not mean that using them is acceptable among principled people.
No argument there cause that's a viewpoint. I'd like to think that I pick my battles but in reality I think that I'm not as concerned as you regarding this issue - I just don't believe MS is as evil as people scream. I think the ranting reminiscent of religious nuts pushes me towards disbelief. I wouldn't work for Nestle or AOL.
Let's not pretend that the university would be denying students choice by not buying MS products.
We're not pretending. It's absolutely true.
These students could use whatever they want on their own computers. Exposing them to Linux at the libraries and other public areas would expose them to an operating system which is more likely than not the direction of the future.
And if you're wrong you've damaged the marketability and general knowledge of the students... severely. An example is that my university choose to use Java as the OO language. I had no exposure to C or C++. On leaving university all I could see in the job listings is "C++ programmer wanted."
It also doesn't matter if Linux ends up being the winner in the O/S war (if there IS a winner) because MS is the dominant force in the marketplace right now. University courses take anything from 3 years to 5 years. Do you honestly believe that MS won't be around the workplace in 3 to 5 years?
As a future employer of these students I want my staff to be able to walk in my office on day one and know how to send an email and compose a word document.
MS may be the dominant force, but it has no-where to go but down, and it's insistence on making crappy products, illegally using it's monopoly power, and depriving consumers of their rights will certainly accelerate its downfall.
I'm starting to think you're a troll. The problem with rampant advocates of MS's evil is that they do not/can not/will not see any good in any of the products. And that's a crying shame because you should be able to make the best with with what you've got.
Finally, exposing students to Linux exposes them to the way computer's really work. Linux -- though it now has easy-to-use interfaces -- does not hide it's workings from the user, as does Windows.
I agree but you should expose students to as much variation as possible. Much better to have a student who can support a mixed network rather than someone who can only support one network.
If the student decides that they want to concentrate all their skills on one particular OS then fine but what kind of teacher are you if you force that choice upon them? That's like forcing your child into a specific profession.
>> They still need to do some work on here.. Too bad the bugs show up when we try doing in depth posts.. :(
Yeah. Those bugs that only occur sporadically are the hardest to debug.
My mental well-being? That's it? I'll get to retain my standards, ethics, and physical well-being, too? This game testing 'job' keeps looking better and better...
;)
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you...
Looking at your sig, you've already lost your mental well-being. Win-win situation!!
>> Stereo sound on the Amiga and Atari systems was used for directional sound. If a monster was off to your left, the sound came out of the left hand speaker..
I dunno man. I never got the sound direction to work properly. My sound came from the right when the monsters came from the left and vice versa. I still have nightmares where the monsters appear from the other side.
>> I made a 700mb CD image full of the that same file repeated 70 times
...
The probability of me losing that data is probably lower than time reversing itself to the point where I decided to back it up, and then reversing that decision.
And yet if the original file is corrupt, you're screwed.
>>Either that or the shuttle was shot down by an Al Quaida operated railgun lent to Osama by Saddam and fired from Cuba! (those railguns have long range you know).
;)
Actually Osama was taught how to build railguns by the CIA.
Saddam has railguns too but those were bought from the Brits.
> > On the whole SCSI is still a more complex technology, and I would not be surprised if tested with higher margin / more thoroughly due to the "enterprise level reliability" thing.
;)
Yeah but since the 10000 rpm ATA drive is ALSO billed as enterprise technology, and hence ALSO needs "enterprise level reliability", that cannot be a factor why SCSI testing costs more.
n.b. Yes I know you didn't say that it WAS a factor in costs but a factor in thouroughness... but I'm equating the two. Sue me.
>> Guaranteed to put a loud and immediate stop to the silent treatment.
Huh. Also likely to put a loud and immediate stop to your life.
>> ...as reasons for Segway's slow sales.
Maybe I'm naive but I don't understand how sales of the Segway can resemble anything other than the pace of continental shift.
Belay that... continental shift is faster than what I'm imagining. Think "static".
When MS were starting out, the lowest margin, most easily accessed market was the WP/spreadsheet client. Nowadays, clients are expensive things with lots of graphics and ram and commodity features, and it's the small server market that's low margin and easy to get into.
True. On a related note I don't think Open Source systems got into the small server market because of a marketing decision. I think that it happened naturally because small servers normally sit in an environment with the knowledgable tech support necessary to keep an Open Source system functional (also small server buyers normally don't have the financial resources available to the larger firms). Open Source developers and ditributers are simply responding to the demand.
Of course my theory bodes well for Open Source because if the demand is driven naturally and isn't artifically flavoured by aggresive marketing then it indicates a good product.
This is really quite analogous with what happned when MS's cheaper solutions began to eat the Unix market from the workstation up.
Except it's not because Microsoft is being eaten from the server down.
Oooo wow. Someone can't take a joke.
The yellow key doesn't let you get throught the yellow bar, the black upside-down U doesn't -DO- anything and I can't get in the castles!
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And nobody has posted a manual yet. For those of you who are young whippersnappers like me, here's the manual: http://www.atariage.com/manual_html_page.html?Sof
Naturally only young people are allowed to follow that link.