AND THEN you put it in your music directory which is shared on Kazaa and then
Everyone else spends a few minutes searching P2P networks for all the songs that make up a new CD release. They find them all easily, they have been purchased by a few people from the same source, and shared. You get a perfect quality album in 10 mins.
You're whole assumption is based on the fact that the majority of people on P2P are buying new albums, ripping them in high quality, and sharing them.
I would contend, based on my experience on P2P, that it's mostly people getting a few songs from a CD and sharing it with all their friends. I am basing this on how hard it was to find several complete CD's worth of music on P2P. I tried Kazaa Lite, Gnutella, etc. It's a pain in the ass. If your theory was true, it should have taken me 10 minutes.
And I'm not talking about obscure shit either. On example is I when wanted to hear the entire Eminem CD a week or so after it was released in stores.
Even if some guy has the whole album, all laid out nicely and easy to find, his connection is nowhere near as fast as downloading it from big, fat pipe that the music labels could afford. Even if he's on a cable modem and you're the only one downloading, and he's your next door neighbor... you're looking at download speeds of 25-30KBps, if you're lucky, because most cable connection upload speed are capped that low.
I don't see how it significantly changes from the current distribution system - someone still pays for the original music somehow, then shares it. The only change is that it may be easier for that original person to buy the whole MP3 album than it is to rip a new CD you bought from the store.
Here's how it'd be different:
1. It's easier. Go to your favorite band's website, and they'll most likely link you directly to the label's page to buy the MP3 album. Or go to the label's site and search for the artist. Assuming they make it as easy as Amazon.com, you're in and out in no time.
2. It's faster to locate an album. No searches of poorly organized music over P2P, trying to figure out which MP3's are the good ones, which are not complete, which are accurately named, etc. All the songs would be there, guaranteed, unlike P2P.
3. It's faster to download. You'd be downloading over a big, fat pipe, not joeblow's cable modem shared with 5 other people downloading from him. Less chance of your download getting cut off prematurely.
4. It's clearly legal. You won't feel like you're stealing the music. No guilt.
michael wrote "For some reason advertisers never come up with new, smaller advertising formats."
Just because 'the advertisers' come up with these new formats doesn't mean you have to use them. GET CREATIVE. How about clearly marked slashdot articles that are actually advertisements? Hell, some of the ones you run now sure sound like them already, might as well get paid and make it legitimate with an 'Advertisement' label. Don't let non-paying slashdot members block that category, either. Let the advertiser decide whether or not to allow comments on the product. Hell, give the advertiser infinite mod points for that article, they're paying for it. (Just as long as you let everyone know.)
Google innovated with their ads. They're making money and not pissing us off with bigger ads.
All that having been said, I find it amusing that slashdot is using HUGE banner ads only on the reply pages. It's like you're punishing the one group of people that add content to your site. Kinda lame, but I guess you'd rather just "blame it on the advertisers."
But I met up with a friend I hadn't seen for a while the other weekend and he told me he now *only* get his music off the net and doesn't pay for any of it.
And this is someone who would previously have been a heavy spender in this area.
You see, this perfectly illustrates why the labels are going about MP3 in the WRONG WAY.
Ask yourself, what would this previously "heavy spender" do if the labels made it FAST/EASY/CHEAP to download unrestricted music from them directly?
I tend to disagree with this. I think it is safe to assume that a majority of the people in the US will always take the 'free' alternative if they can get away with it with ease. People says that "If the music industry let me pay $.50 per song to download in a unrestricted format, I would pay instead of steal" and while some would, most would still get their music from kazaa. The reason why we hear people on slashdot say this so much is that they know a system like this will never happen with the current RIAA. Instead they decide to use it as a poor moral justification to their illegal music swapping habit.
No, the main reason use Kazaa or what have you is because it's easier AND cheaper than going to the store and buying the CD, then ripping it.
If the music labels made it EASIER to get their music in unrestricted formats for a reasonable price, you've just demolished one reason for using P2P.
Then you've got one left -- cheapness. Free P2P music would only remain to be 'free' if your time is of no value.
Which is more likely to happen if the labels started selling affordable unrestricted music online:
- You pay a reasonable fee to download a high-quality MP3 album directly from the label's fast network pipe. On a cable modem, this may take you 5 minutes of active work (even less if they license Amazon One Click Shopping®!), and another 10 minutes of waiting for the 80MB download.
OR
- You spend an hour or more searching P2P networks for all the songs that make up a new CD release. Even then you might not find them all. Even if you do, some of them may be shitty quality. Even if they're not all shitty quality, how many times did you have to retry a file because the person cut you off, or the connection was too slow?
Ahhh, "reasonable" being someone that agrees with you....the founding fathers designed the second amendment to allow all Americans access to personal firearms.
Correct.
Muzzle loaded, smoothbore, single shot flintlocks.
Does it say that?
Of course, the idea of giving a person today's concealable automatic ceramic-barreled teflon-round armed killing machines would have been complete anathema even to Patrick Henry
The point of the well-armed militia was to be able to protect your freedom against a government, foreign or local. In that context, it makes sense that you should be able to own a modern firearm, as a "muzzle loaded, smoothbore, single shot flintlock" would not be up to the job.
it is likely that the Supreme Court will get around to upholding a ban on everything but black powder smoothbore
Upholding a ban? Umm there would have to be a ban to uphold, and thankfully there isn't.
but until then we'll have to tolerate the nutjobs.
Anyone that refers to a law-abiding, gun-owning citizen as a "nutjob" is, in my opinion, a nutjob themselves.
First of all, you're comparing 280 million people versus 60 million. We have 5x more people than you do. Second of all, I don't know where you're getting the number 40x, or how accurate it is. People are always going to be killed by guns, regardless of whether law-abiding citizens are allowed to own them. Criminals don't care about gun laws.
You're assuming they don't treat each radioactive case with the utmost care. It sounds like they are. I'm sorry, when someone comes through and sets off radioactive alarms, I just doubt the subway workers are going to get all ho-hum about it. "Aww, you look like a cancer patient, go ahead."
What'll happen is someone will come up with a good idea on how to easily confirm or deny that a person has been treated. It's a problem that can be solved.
I never thought they'd get enough radiation shot into them to set off detectors, unless the threshold is way to low.
Too low? I'd say the detectors are working just right. Yeah it sucks for these patients, but they can work this out. I'd much rather have a few false positives than possibly miss a dirty bomb shielded in lead.
I dunno... you got a stereo in your bag for a plane trip. You've got a beard. Your name is garcia, so I will stereotype you as dark-skinned. This is the kind of profile I expect to be put under closer scrutiny, as it matches the profile of the terrorists.
I don't mind random searches, but their definitely should [continue?] to be focused intensity on people that fit the profile. Best of both worlds.
That's just it though, it's never going to be legitimate without some type of DRM.
Every tool has legitimate and illegitimate uses. I can butter my bread with this knife, or slit your throat with it. Do we need ARM (analog rights management) to maintain control of it?
Sorry I don't mean to be Mr. Obvious here, but I just feel any future P2P doesn't stand a chance if it doesn't have a legitimate foundation to stand on.
It doesn't need a legitimate FOUNDATION, it just needs a SINGLE legitimate use that is valid.
Yesterday I downloaded some high quality live recordings of Billy Corgan's new band, Zwan. It was in SHN format (lossless compression -- large file sizes) on one of the DC++ P2P network hubs.
This was completely legal -- Zwan encourages trading of their live recordings.
The RIAA & MPAA has already proven what a great team of legal sharks they have
True
and can overcome any technological advancements made in P2P
Macworld Tokyo is the biggest gathering of Mac fans in the world.
was
Although the three-day show draws about half the exhibitors of U.S. shows,
drew
it attracts double the number of visitors, about 190,000.
attracted
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JP was his greatest book, IMHO. If they had filmed the movie exactly like the book, you would have shit your pants in the theatre!
(And the movie would have been 5 hours long.)
I've read all his books, and to me, JP stands out by far. Those others you listed (Congo, Terminal Man, Sphere) had interesting ideas, but were not his best work. I believe if you liked Andromeda Strain, you will like this book. I bought it as a present for my brother, and started reading the opening pages... next thing I knew, page 100. Whoops.
Their software/hardware is also capable of handling very long threads, (our longest being over 12,000 posts and 130mb for the text only before becoming corrupted.)
I believe your definition of "capable" differs from mine.
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Body of 'a' victim I expect. It killed more people than the world war.
'A' world war, not 'the' world war.
AND THEN you put it in your music directory which is shared on Kazaa and then
Everyone else spends a few minutes searching P2P networks for all the songs that make up a new CD release. They find them all easily, they have been purchased by a few people from the same source, and shared. You get a perfect quality album in 10 mins.
You're whole assumption is based on the fact that the majority of people on P2P are buying new albums, ripping them in high quality, and sharing them.
I would contend, based on my experience on P2P, that it's mostly people getting a few songs from a CD and sharing it with all their friends. I am basing this on how hard it was to find several complete CD's worth of music on P2P. I tried Kazaa Lite, Gnutella, etc. It's a pain in the ass. If your theory was true, it should have taken me 10 minutes.
And I'm not talking about obscure shit either. On example is I when wanted to hear the entire Eminem CD a week or so after it was released in stores.
Even if some guy has the whole album, all laid out nicely and easy to find, his connection is nowhere near as fast as downloading it from big, fat pipe that the music labels could afford. Even if he's on a cable modem and you're the only one downloading, and he's your next door neighbor... you're looking at download speeds of 25-30KBps, if you're lucky, because most cable connection upload speed are capped that low.
I don't see how it significantly changes from the current distribution system - someone still pays for the original music somehow, then shares it. The only change is that it may be easier for that original person to buy the whole MP3 album than it is to rip a new CD you bought from the store.
Here's how it'd be different:
1. It's easier. Go to your favorite band's website, and they'll most likely link you directly to the label's page to buy the MP3 album. Or go to the label's site and search for the artist. Assuming they make it as easy as Amazon.com, you're in and out in no time.
2. It's faster to locate an album. No searches of poorly organized music over P2P, trying to figure out which MP3's are the good ones, which are not complete, which are accurately named, etc. All the songs would be there, guaranteed, unlike P2P.
3. It's faster to download. You'd be downloading over a big, fat pipe, not joeblow's cable modem shared with 5 other people downloading from him. Less chance of your download getting cut off prematurely.
4. It's clearly legal. You won't feel like you're stealing the music. No guilt.
michael wrote "For some reason advertisers never come up with new, smaller advertising formats."
Just because 'the advertisers' come up with these new formats doesn't mean you have to use them. GET CREATIVE. How about clearly marked slashdot articles that are actually advertisements? Hell, some of the ones you run now sure sound like them already, might as well get paid and make it legitimate with an 'Advertisement' label. Don't let non-paying slashdot members block that category, either. Let the advertiser decide whether or not to allow comments on the product. Hell, give the advertiser infinite mod points for that article, they're paying for it. (Just as long as you let everyone know.)
Google innovated with their ads. They're making money and not pissing us off with bigger ads.
All that having been said, I find it amusing that slashdot is using HUGE banner ads only on the reply pages. It's like you're punishing the one group of people that add content to your site. Kinda lame, but I guess you'd rather just "blame it on the advertisers."
But I met up with a friend I hadn't seen for a while the other weekend and he told me he now *only* get his music off the net and doesn't pay for any of it.
And this is someone who would previously have been a heavy spender in this area.
You see, this perfectly illustrates why the labels are going about MP3 in the WRONG WAY.
Ask yourself, what would this previously "heavy spender" do if the labels made it FAST/EASY/CHEAP to download unrestricted music from them directly?
I tend to disagree with this. I think it is safe to assume that a majority of the people in the US will always take the 'free' alternative if they can get away with it with ease. People says that "If the music industry let me pay $.50 per song to download in a unrestricted format, I would pay instead of steal" and while some would, most would still get their music from kazaa. The reason why we hear people on slashdot say this so much is that they know a system like this will never happen with the current RIAA. Instead they decide to use it as a poor moral justification to their illegal music swapping habit.
No, the main reason use Kazaa or what have you is because it's easier AND cheaper than going to the store and buying the CD, then ripping it.
If the music labels made it EASIER to get their music in unrestricted formats for a reasonable price, you've just demolished one reason for using P2P.
Then you've got one left -- cheapness. Free P2P music would only remain to be 'free' if your time is of no value.
Which is more likely to happen if the labels started selling affordable unrestricted music online:
- You pay a reasonable fee to download a high-quality MP3 album directly from the label's fast network pipe. On a cable modem, this may take you 5 minutes of active work (even less if they license Amazon One Click Shopping®!), and another 10 minutes of waiting for the 80MB download.
OR
- You spend an hour or more searching P2P networks for all the songs that make up a new CD release. Even then you might not find them all. Even if you do, some of them may be shitty quality. Even if they're not all shitty quality, how many times did you have to retry a file because the person cut you off, or the connection was too slow?
Cmdr and Mrs. Taco. Soon to follow, their children, Fish, Beef and Soft.
And their daughter, Tuna.
(Tasteless, yet oh-so-funny.)
Wow, what a boring Ask Slashdot. Allow me to introduce another, more interesting question.
What is your favorite candy? I love Zours!
Now we just need to get the enemy to aim these giant projectors at us!
I think every reasonable American knows that...
...the founding fathers designed the second amendment to allow all Americans access to personal firearms.
Ahhh, "reasonable" being someone that agrees with you.
Correct.
Muzzle loaded, smoothbore, single shot flintlocks.
Does it say that?
Of course, the idea of giving a person today's concealable automatic ceramic-barreled teflon-round armed killing machines would have been complete anathema even to Patrick Henry
The point of the well-armed militia was to be able to protect your freedom against a government, foreign or local. In that context, it makes sense that you should be able to own a modern firearm, as a "muzzle loaded, smoothbore, single shot flintlock" would not be up to the job.
it is likely that the Supreme Court will get around to upholding a ban on everything but black powder smoothbore
Upholding a ban? Umm there would have to be a ban to uphold, and thankfully there isn't.
but until then we'll have to tolerate the nutjobs.
Anyone that refers to a law-abiding, gun-owning citizen as a "nutjob" is, in my opinion, a nutjob themselves.
I hear the word "bitter" coming out of a lot of Americans in the last year --- what's all that about?
We own a dictionary and aren't afraid to use it?
You have about 40x as many gun homicides as us.
And statistics never lie, do they?
First of all, you're comparing 280 million people versus 60 million. We have 5x more people than you do. Second of all, I don't know where you're getting the number 40x, or how accurate it is. People are always going to be killed by guns, regardless of whether law-abiding citizens are allowed to own them. Criminals don't care about gun laws.
Capiche?
My point was the monarchy is for show. The queen has no real power.
The editors are only interested in bitching about the government, not in working to affect change.
1. We are not a Democracy, we are a Democratic Republic. We are about as much a Democracy as the UK is a Monarchy.
2. Not every politician is 'for sale.' But the ones that are get a lot of press on Slashdot.
3. What American hypocrisy do you speak of? You just sound bitter. It's not my fault they took away all your guns.
By the way this isn't a flamebait, just political opinion
Yeah right.
...is to discover the "dirty anal bomb" when its too late. Do you want that on your conscience?
You're assuming they don't treat each radioactive case with the utmost care. It sounds like they are. I'm sorry, when someone comes through and sets off radioactive alarms, I just doubt the subway workers are going to get all ho-hum about it. "Aww, you look like a cancer patient, go ahead."
What'll happen is someone will come up with a good idea on how to easily confirm or deny that a person has been treated. It's a problem that can be solved.
I never thought they'd get enough radiation shot into them to set off detectors, unless the threshold is way to low.
Too low? I'd say the detectors are working just right. Yeah it sucks for these patients, but they can work this out. I'd much rather have a few false positives than possibly miss a dirty bomb shielded in lead.
It apparantly is no longer enough for them to MISS typos in their own writings, they have to introduce them into other peoples'!
I dunno... you got a stereo in your bag for a plane trip. You've got a beard. Your name is garcia, so I will stereotype you as dark-skinned. This is the kind of profile I expect to be put under closer scrutiny, as it matches the profile of the terrorists.
I don't mind random searches, but their definitely should [continue?] to be focused intensity on people that fit the profile. Best of both worlds.
...after building a 'breeder' reactor, you are no longer able to breed.
In Soviet Russia, breeder reactor builds YOU!
That's just it though, it's never going to be legitimate without some type of DRM.
Every tool has legitimate and illegitimate uses. I can butter my bread with this knife, or slit your throat with it. Do we need ARM (analog rights management) to maintain control of it?
Sorry I don't mean to be Mr. Obvious here, but I just feel any future P2P doesn't stand a chance if it doesn't have a legitimate foundation to stand on.
It doesn't need a legitimate FOUNDATION, it just needs a SINGLE legitimate use that is valid.
Yesterday I downloaded some high quality live recordings of Billy Corgan's new band, Zwan. It was in SHN format (lossless compression -- large file sizes) on one of the DC++ P2P network hubs.
This was completely legal -- Zwan encourages trading of their live recordings.
The RIAA & MPAA has already proven what a great team of legal sharks they have
True
and can overcome any technological advancements made in P2P
Ummm, false. They definitely have NOT shown that.
Also included in the article was a blurb about a guy sending a fedex package to Santa Claus, North Pole. Fedex actually delivered it... to Snowmass, CO. Signed for by: S CLAUS
Macworld Tokyo is the biggest gathering of Mac fans in the world.
was
Although the three-day show draws about half the exhibitors of U.S. shows,
drew
it attracts double the number of visitors, about 190,000.
attracted
JP was his greatest book, IMHO. If they had filmed the movie exactly like the book, you would have shit your pants in the theatre!
(And the movie would have been 5 hours long.)
I've read all his books, and to me, JP stands out by far. Those others you listed (Congo, Terminal Man, Sphere) had interesting ideas, but were not his best work. I believe if you liked Andromeda Strain, you will like this book. I bought it as a present for my brother, and started reading the opening pages... next thing I knew, page 100. Whoops.
Their software/hardware is also capable of handling very long threads, (our longest being over 12,000 posts and 130mb for the text only before becoming corrupted.)
I believe your definition of "capable" differs from mine.