thats an entirely different case. I guess you didnt read the definition of blackmail, posted in the thread right baove yours... Bust out your dictionary.
I agree with what you say, however I would like to draw your attention to the implication of the issue. Its not about whether Bhutan should be kept in a bottle. its about the insideous effects of television. Maybe, just maybe, the kind of stuff we see every day on television isnt good for us. Maybe its very, very bad for us. We are here able to bear witness to exactly what happens when a country of moral, loving people are exposed to television's content. This should really tell us something about what it is doing to we who are and have been exposed to it for extremely long periods. The problem here is not that the cat has been let out of the bag in Bhutan, its that its been out of the bag and untethered in the West for so long.
Some people make the argument that Westerners have built up "defenses" against the insideous effects of television. But even if this is possible (which it isnt), is a country full of jaded and hardended attitudes towards killing, murder, crime and immorality a good thing?
Yes, their physical states were not determined by the television, and never has anyone ever made any claim that television is a teleportation device. But these kinds of crimes NEVER used to happen in Bhutan, so where are they getting the ideas from? Clearly they are getting the ideas from somewhere... did the alchohol some how give this man a divine revelation? I dont think so. It made him weak enough to imitate that which he saw on the television. The fact that these people were intoxicated is insignificant: there were heroin addicts and drunks before television, but not this kind of crime.
Time and time again television has proven to have an enourous effect on our western lives. Now that the country of Bhutan is becoming corrupt and immoral just as our culture is being exported to it, you claim that television is a "convenient scapegoat"? Why cant you just admit what so many other people have: television is an extremely powerful force in shaping our actions and how we think. We are so lucky to be able to bear direct witness to exactly what happens when a person raised in a perfectly moral atmosphere with no crime is suddenly submerged in the machine's atmosphere of violence and immorality. We have the opportunity to learn the full effects of this terrible device.
A quick survey of crime rates and moral aptitude in America would indicate that a machine which essentially shuts down the right side (rational) part of the brain within 30 seconds of viewing it and forces the viewer to engage the medium through 'beta' waves is hard to defend against. You may recall Marshall Mcluhan's diagnosis of television as a tactile medium. This is based on the fact that television engages the emotions (left side of the brain), i.e. feelings.
see Joyce Nelson's The Perfect Machine for an interesting discussion of this effect of television, discovered in the 1960s, which is the basis for modern television advertising.
I think that is a good analogy. They are a buddhist nation and the kind of stuff we watch on TV would be, to them, the equivilant of explicit hardcore porn- the killing, crime, and lack of any moral base whatsoever. In fact I would venture to guess they would find that more disturbing than explicit hardcore porn, but maybe thats because I havent watched enough porno.
You must be crazy? What exactly would they be in trouble for?
Its VERY VERY easy to prove that its to be expected that some games cant be developed or are abandoned even after they are announced to the general public (due to technology limitations, money limitations, etc etc etc). These are LAW COURTS, not your kitchen table.
False advertising is when claims made are false in entirety. Microsoft does have functional security; it is just far more lax and insecure than they admit.
Heres the thing: I dont recall Microsoft making any concrete claims about its security whatsoever. Microsoft does not sell Windows XP on the basis that it will make your computer safe from hackers, and even if they did, there is neither an adequate benchmark to compare it to, nor an accepted standard of the word "safe" (or "hacker") that courts can admit. Not saying that your security is better or worse than another security system is most certaintly not fraud, let alone hyperbole (what you call "puffery"). Its not a matter of allowing it, so much as not being able to prosecute it because of logical arguments to the contrary. Now consider if Microsoft marketed Windows XP on the claim "There is no way for any person to gain unauthorized access to this software"..... they would clearly be prosectued.
you feel cheated??? out of what exactly? That is so weak.. I think if people dont have enough time (1.5 seconds) to load the webpage, they wont be reading your idiotic repeition of it.
Isnt that copyrighted material? The people who have been cheated are the writer, the host of the writer's work and the advertisers that support their website. VERY poor attempt at a Karma grab. I hope you've learned your lesson.
The major point of attack thr RIAA and MPAA have on P2P is that they can claim it has no legitimate legal use. This business model presents an entirely legal, moneymaking business model for using peer to peer networks. Its not outlawing piracy and going the way of Napster, its just giving the program a legal use.
Where do u get off comparing Switzerland and Bhutan on the basis that they are LANDLOCKED? That is obscene. We began with an economic and technological analogy, and now you move it geography? Wheres you logic, son?
I agree the person hyperbolized by saying NO phones. But your annoying response proving that in fact there is a very very low density of phones in the country is useless. What does it mean? That he was right all along: there are no phones in the country, comparatively speaking, and the US uses a system that is shared only by a country that is very much technologically inferior to the Western world.
Seeing as your reply in fact butresses his argument, I am puzzled as to your intent.
Finally, it disgusts me that the country of Bhutan has 10,000 TVs and feels the need to invest in a 48m dollar TV network while the 600,000 workers of its farming economy starve. Clearly this if made for only one class: wealthy land owning elites.
i find it hard to blame anything on piracy, but you have to keep in mid that stores and developers actually lose money on selling the systems with the intention of recouping it in the long with games. anyways, all systems and customizable like the dreamcast.. difference was, dreamcast came first, getting the attention of the modders while missing the hype of the 128 bit system craze.
In my opinion, the combined marketing of the gamecube, xbox AND ps2 created a a real fascination with consoles that the dreamcast missed out on. The media was flooded with gaming advertising and information.. everyone cashed in, dreamcast cashed out.
its insane that u get modded up so much in the face of this blatant error.
6000 telephones in a country of 2 million. There are 11,000 radios and 1 radio station in the country, making RADIO the primary source of communication among the one in three hundred people who can affor them.
when the dude said "without any telephones", he meant it.
Point of interest: Diefenbaker also refused to equip Canada with nuclear weapons. Canadian history buffs will recall the Bomark missle crisis, which revolved around the fact that the Chief would not attach nuclear warheads to the bomark missles the Liberal gov. had bought from the states. He felt they were unwarrented. I agree.
FYI my cherished childhood memories are certainly not the many hours wasted in front of the idiot box, and I will not be disappointed if someone defiles an already fabricated reality whose sole purpose is to sell us things.
If these are your childhood memories they NEED to be broken.
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(Did you know the Eisenhower administration was exciting?)
Yes, anyone who has looked at the Eisenhower era would know its exciting. But no one looks at history anymore.. including, apparently, you. Its just his name thats boring =)... His era is the one where the cold war got momentum.
Some interesting things of note in the Eis era:
-The USA came out of isolationism and began enforcing "Containment Policy" : The application of force anywhere there is percieved communist expandsion. This is still their Foreign Policy guideline today. (but it deals with terrorists) -The USA went to war against the little known country (at the time), Korea in 1950. This was the first appliction of containment. -The CIA formed its Office of Special Operations, the espionage division. -The CIA and the State Department successfully completed its first foreign coup: Iran, 1953. -The CIA successfully compeleted its second coup in Guatemala, 1953-54.
There are a number of other interesting things.. you guys should check it out. Modern history is still quite relevent. (only 40-50 years old! younger than your dad! Your dads not irrelevant is he? =)
Let me point out your hyporacy in case you didnt pick up on it: You call science the new religion, and then take the same standpoint ancient religious zealots have towards it.
Dont bother responding, you will just make yourself sound more stupid.
I dont recall talking about any scientific studies that "'prove' that video games make people into psychotic killers." My point is that violent behavior becomes internalized and will underline your attitudes and decisions. I said specifically you will NEVER even attempt to imitate or think about the stuff you experience in the games, it will simply become a part of your experience. Experience shapes your thoughts and attitudes.
Well I find it very strange that you have such low esteem of science, "the new religion". You do realize that medicine, computers, and the modern economy are all products of science. so, your arguement is, because scientists (and theologians and mathematicians and philosophers) thought the earth was flat at one point, and then went on to make brilliant discoveries about the way the world works.....wait.... what the hell IS your arguement? You are clearly a complete fuckhead.
Yes Psychology is a very new science. No you dont have to take the attitude that chrisitian zealots had towards Copernicus, Galileo and Newton, among others.
Thanks for proving to me that people ARE still as stupid as they were in the dark ages. I hope you never have kids (what a STUPID thing to say) because you are obviously a drooling, snorting, head banging retard.
These people are not the only ones in the world who can figure this out. Now that they've introduced the idea to the world, someone else will try it. Some university will lose thousnads of dollars, possibly someone will gain entry to a dorm and rape, kill or steal, and Blackboard will get sued for millions of dollars for willfull negligence (as it is pretty clear that they know about the problem).
By ignoring their own security issues, they put the security of others at risk. I just pray that when it happens the victim comes out ok.
You might also ad that at the time BOTH of those were written copyright law provided very little protection for the creator of a work and was a tool employed by the publishers for their own gain. Only a few, like Dickens, managed to make a profit, and their publishers made alot more then they did.
I hope you dont think even for a SECOND that your obscure experience that here takes the form of untestable anecdotal evidence somehow qualifies as coutner evidence to the findings of THOUSANDS OF SCIENTIFIC STUDIES.
An considering this topic is one that reaches FAR BEYOND what YOU think about video games, its a good idea to bring up that little foundation of our society, SCIENCE.
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thats an entirely different case. I guess you didnt read the definition of blackmail, posted in the thread right baove yours... Bust out your dictionary.
excellent... very quotable
I agree with what you say, however I would like to draw your attention to the implication of the issue. Its not about whether Bhutan should be kept in a bottle. its about the insideous effects of television. Maybe, just maybe, the kind of stuff we see every day on television isnt good for us. Maybe its very, very bad for us. We are here able to bear witness to exactly what happens when a country of moral, loving people are exposed to television's content. This should really tell us something about what it is doing to we who are and have been exposed to it for extremely long periods. The problem here is not that the cat has been let out of the bag in Bhutan, its that its been out of the bag and untethered in the West for so long.
Some people make the argument that Westerners have built up "defenses" against the insideous effects of television. But even if this is possible (which it isnt), is a country full of jaded and hardended attitudes towards killing, murder, crime and immorality a good thing?
Yes, their physical states were not determined by the television, and never has anyone ever made any claim that television is a teleportation device. But these kinds of crimes NEVER used to happen in Bhutan, so where are they getting the ideas from? Clearly they are getting the ideas from somewhere... did the alchohol some how give this man a divine revelation? I dont think so. It made him weak enough to imitate that which he saw on the television. The fact that these people were intoxicated is insignificant: there were heroin addicts and drunks before television, but not this kind of crime.
Time and time again television has proven to have an enourous effect on our western lives. Now that the country of Bhutan is becoming corrupt and immoral just as our culture is being exported to it, you claim that television is a "convenient scapegoat"? Why cant you just admit what so many other people have: television is an extremely powerful force in shaping our actions and how we think. We are so lucky to be able to bear direct witness to exactly what happens when a person raised in a perfectly moral atmosphere with no crime is suddenly submerged in the machine's atmosphere of violence and immorality. We have the opportunity to learn the full effects of this terrible device.
A quick survey of crime rates and moral aptitude in America would indicate that a machine which essentially shuts down the right side (rational) part of the brain within 30 seconds of viewing it and forces the viewer to engage the medium through 'beta' waves is hard to defend against. You may recall Marshall Mcluhan's diagnosis of television as a tactile medium. This is based on the fact that television engages the emotions (left side of the brain), i.e. feelings.
see Joyce Nelson's The Perfect Machine for an interesting discussion of this effect of television, discovered in the 1960s, which is the basis for modern television advertising.
I think that is a good analogy. They are a buddhist nation and the kind of stuff we watch on TV would be, to them, the equivilant of explicit hardcore porn- the killing, crime, and lack of any moral base whatsoever. In fact I would venture to guess they would find that more disturbing than explicit hardcore porn, but maybe thats because I havent watched enough porno.
You must be crazy? What exactly would they be in trouble for?
Its VERY VERY easy to prove that its to be expected that some games cant be developed or are abandoned even after they are announced to the general public (due to technology limitations, money limitations, etc etc etc). These are LAW COURTS, not your kitchen table.
False advertising is when claims made are false in entirety. Microsoft does have functional security; it is just far more lax and insecure than they admit.
..... they would clearly be prosectued.
Heres the thing: I dont recall Microsoft making any concrete claims about its security whatsoever. Microsoft does not sell Windows XP on the basis that it will make your computer safe from hackers, and even if they did, there is neither an adequate benchmark to compare it to, nor an accepted standard of the word "safe" (or "hacker") that courts can admit. Not saying that your security is better or worse than another security system is most certaintly not fraud, let alone hyperbole (what you call "puffery"). Its not a matter of allowing it, so much as not being able to prosecute it because of logical arguments to the contrary. Now consider if Microsoft marketed Windows XP on the claim "There is no way for any person to gain unauthorized access to this software"
you feel cheated??? out of what exactly? That is so weak.. I think if people dont have enough time (1.5 seconds) to load the webpage, they wont be reading your idiotic repeition of it.
Isnt that copyrighted material? The people who have been cheated are the writer, the host of the writer's work and the advertisers that support their website. VERY poor attempt at a Karma grab. I hope you've learned your lesson.
The major point of attack thr RIAA and MPAA have on P2P is that they can claim it has no legitimate legal use. This business model presents an entirely legal, moneymaking business model for using peer to peer networks. Its not outlawing piracy and going the way of Napster, its just giving the program a legal use.
Where do u get off comparing Switzerland and Bhutan on the basis that they are LANDLOCKED? That is obscene. We began with an economic and technological analogy, and now you move it geography? Wheres you logic, son?
I agree the person hyperbolized by saying NO phones. But your annoying response proving that in fact there is a very very low density of phones in the country is useless. What does it mean? That he was right all along: there are no phones in the country, comparatively speaking, and the US uses a system that is shared only by a country that is very much technologically inferior to the Western world.
Seeing as your reply in fact butresses his argument, I am puzzled as to your intent.
Finally, it disgusts me that the country of Bhutan has 10,000 TVs and feels the need to invest in a 48m dollar TV network while the 600,000 workers of its farming economy starve. Clearly this if made for only one class: wealthy land owning elites.
Wont somebody think of the children???
(obligitory Simpsons reference)
i find it hard to blame anything on piracy, but you have to keep in mid that stores and developers actually lose money on selling the systems with the intention of recouping it in the long with games. anyways, all systems and customizable like the dreamcast.. difference was, dreamcast came first, getting the attention of the modders while missing the hype of the 128 bit system craze.
In my opinion, the combined marketing of the gamecube, xbox AND ps2 created a a real fascination with consoles that the dreamcast missed out on. The media was flooded with gaming advertising and information.. everyone cashed in, dreamcast cashed out.
LOL
its insane that u get modded up so much in the face of this blatant error.
6000 telephones in a country of 2 million.
There are 11,000 radios and 1 radio station in the country, making RADIO the primary source of communication among the one in three hundred people who can affor them.
when the dude said "without any telephones", he meant it.
I was watching Celebrity Justice of Fox (I know, I know) and apparently the person saying that line on the music files is Madonna herself.
Its dissappointing that people in the music industry dont seem to understand the concept of free advertising...
Point of interest: Diefenbaker also refused to equip Canada with nuclear weapons. Canadian history buffs will recall the Bomark missle crisis, which revolved around the fact that the Chief would not attach nuclear warheads to the bomark missles the Liberal gov. had bought from the states. He felt they were unwarrented. I agree.
FYI my cherished childhood memories are certainly not the many hours wasted in front of the idiot box, and I will not be disappointed if someone defiles an already fabricated reality whose sole purpose is to sell us things.
If these are your childhood memories they NEED to be broken.
(Did you know the Eisenhower administration was exciting?)
... His era is the one where the cold war got momentum.
Yes, anyone who has looked at the Eisenhower era would know its exciting. But no one looks at history anymore.. including, apparently, you. Its just his name thats boring =)
Some interesting things of note in the Eis era:
-The USA came out of isolationism and began enforcing "Containment Policy" : The application of force anywhere there is percieved communist expandsion. This is still their Foreign Policy guideline today. (but it deals with terrorists)
-The USA went to war against the little known country (at the time), Korea in 1950. This was the first appliction of containment.
-The CIA formed its Office of Special Operations, the espionage division.
-The CIA and the State Department successfully completed its first foreign coup: Iran, 1953.
-The CIA successfully compeleted its second coup in Guatemala, 1953-54.
There are a number of other interesting things.. you guys should check it out. Modern history is still quite relevent. (only 40-50 years old! younger than your dad! Your dads not irrelevant is he? =)
Thanks for listening,
Let me point out your hyporacy in case you didnt pick up on it: You call science the new religion, and then take the same standpoint ancient religious zealots have towards it.
Dont bother responding, you will just make yourself sound more stupid.
I dont recall talking about any scientific studies that "'prove' that video games make people into psychotic killers." My point is that violent behavior becomes internalized and will underline your attitudes and decisions. I said specifically you will NEVER even attempt to imitate or think about the stuff you experience in the games, it will simply become a part of your experience. Experience shapes your thoughts and attitudes.
.wait.... what the hell IS your arguement? You are clearly a complete fuckhead.
Well I find it very strange that you have such low esteem of science, "the new religion". You do realize that medicine, computers, and the modern economy are all products of science. so, your arguement is, because scientists (and theologians and mathematicians and philosophers) thought the earth was flat at one point, and then went on to make brilliant discoveries about the way the world works....
Yes Psychology is a very new science. No you dont have to take the attitude that chrisitian zealots had towards Copernicus, Galileo and Newton, among others.
Thanks for proving to me that people ARE still as stupid as they were in the dark ages. I hope you never have kids (what a STUPID thing to say) because you are obviously a drooling, snorting, head banging retard.
These people are not the only ones in the world who can figure this out. Now that they've introduced the idea to the world, someone else will try it. Some university will lose thousnads of dollars, possibly someone will gain entry to a dorm and rape, kill or steal, and Blackboard will get sued for millions of dollars for willfull negligence (as it is pretty clear that they know about the problem).
By ignoring their own security issues, they put the security of others at risk. I just pray that when it happens the victim comes out ok.
You might also ad that at the time BOTH of those were written copyright law provided very little protection for the creator of a work and was a tool employed by the publishers for their own gain. Only a few, like Dickens, managed to make a profit, and their publishers made alot more then they did.
Lots of people know how the brain works, dummy, they're called psychologists.
right. So you are one of the morons who doesnt read the posts and then makes a stupid comment. Alright nice to meet you.
I hope you dont think even for a SECOND that your obscure experience that here takes the form of untestable anecdotal evidence somehow qualifies as coutner evidence to the findings of THOUSANDS OF SCIENTIFIC STUDIES.
An considering this topic is one that reaches FAR BEYOND what YOU think about video games, its a good idea to bring up that little foundation of our society, SCIENCE.
get a brain.