Silverlight is a cross-browser, cross-platform, and cross-device plug-in used for creating rich applications on the Internet.
Cross platform? Two platforms is barely what I think of as cross platform. Cross device? Where's Silverlight for Android? iOS? Symbian is still in beta... What MS brochure did you cut and paste from?
Silverlight also boasts a powerful client networking stack (making it easy to connect to third-party services like Facebook and Twitter, using SOAP, REST, or even raw TCP sockets)
Sure, but I would suspect that most folks using Silverlight will also be using WCF or WCF RIA services that are pretty much usable only by MS applications. I've rarely needed to communicate at the socket level, but it's easily doable with flash. More importantly, I can generally find someone's class that already does what I need within the Adobe development community instead of spending the time writing something at the socket level.
Bingo, though I might disagree about Silverlight being optimal when you have control over the environment depending on how 'environment' is scoped. If all the existing applications and all internal users were of the MS type, I'd agree. But when supporting both OS X and Vista internal users and grabbing data from SAP, MySQL, MS-SQL, JSON services, SOAP, flat files, etc, I just seem to get it done faster by using PHP to grab the data and hand it off to Flex to display/manipulate.
I agree completely with your comments on trying to manage sessions and states across page loads... delivering the app in a single page gets rid of so much overhead and lets me deploy and move on to the next project much faster.
As a result product lock-in becomes more expensive in the long run that these products are worth, both in terms of money and loss of control for those who wish to do more in life than just add to CEO's retirement funds.
Lock in? Technology changes all the time. There's nothing I write today that I expect to be around in 5-10 years because the business needs I designed for will most likely change. When those projects come up for renewal, nothing stops us from writing in a different tool if it makes sense to do so. As long as our data is stored in safe, consistent manner that lends itself to universal retrieval, I could care less what the UI is written in in five years.
I'll concur that 'neither' is an acceptable answer, but I can't see how you'd be locked in to any solution with enough attention to overall system design.
Writing from the standpoint of an intranet developer, I have control of most of the end user's environment... and those things I can't control, I'm aware of. Daily, I am tasked with bringing data from numerous systems that have a variety of data stores, most of them in MySQL, XML, or available as web services. Looking at both Flash and Silverlight, we went with Flash (via FLEX) to control the appearance across a variety of browsers and ease of integration with existing data stores. FLEX also handles authentication against our AD server and integrates well with WordPress to deliver the same applications directly from the web or desktop with the same code for both our OS X and Vista users via Adobe Air. Silverlight, though to be fair I haven't given the latest release an adequate evaluation, provided to be troublesome for the OS X folks where our Flash applications generate no trouble tickets with the held desk. Just my anecdotal two cents, but Flash FTW when it comes to the current RIA offerings.
I was right there with you until you proved your limited vocabulary.
Noun 1. niggard - a selfish person who is unwilling to give or spend [perhaps of Scandinavian origin; related to Swedish dialect nygg and Old English hnaw stingy]
It is relevant because he's talking about stingy employers/clients. Chaucer was writing about niggards in the late 1300's... a little bit before the racial slur you're thinking about.
For you, the point of a phone might be to get alerted to rare but important emergencies. I'm not that important nor am I an emergency responder. I bought my phone so I could contact people when I needed to and so that my friends and family have a way to contact me.... not so they have a way to wake me up in the middle of the night.
There is nothing so important that I need to be woken up in the middle of the night for... and if it's that important, I'll most likely deal with it much better after a good sleep. My 'mute' button gets a good workout and my voice-mail works just fine. None of my friends have ever complained that I'm hard to get ahold of.
I remember when answering machines were exotic and pagers were for doctors and ambulance drivers.
Ever think that some of us might have our TVs hooked up to a computer? If my 'ladyfriend' wants to sit on the sofa with me and watch something on the 42" screen (plenty big for the space I have), she's quite happy watching one of the latest releases in high def over the PS3's network, or perhaps that episode of Chuck on Hulu.... you know, the one we missed cause we were out having a life instead of worshiping the ad masters.
As for making a woman cum, I'm gonna guess you're new to the game. After you've been at it for 30 or so years, it's not the be-all/end-all you think it is. Having one that you like spending time with when you're NOT having sex is the real deal.
When the REAL professionals stop inviting us to come participate in drills and actual disasters, I'll give your point of view some consideration. In the mean time, you just sound like someone that wanted a license but was too dumb to pass the test. Don't they miss you on 4chan?
Funny, I don't have to do that to change a contact on my G1. I find it in the contact list, press 'menu -> edit contact', scroll down to the field and change it. It will synch with Google when I force a synch, or when the next scheduled synch comes if I've got it on automatic. Same with your other two tests. They only prove that you don't know how to work your android phone./z
I cannot imagine people paying Apple prices to run MS Windows on an exclusive basis. I can imagine them paying such prices to run virtual machines with other OS.
Take a look at the executive conference room. Lots of PHBs love having their slim little macbook pros and macbook airs as status symbols, but still run XP and Vista because they can't be bothered to learn something new.
You don't live in the US, do you. Take a look at the Amtrak time tables and fares... it's not a viable option for anyone that has to travel for a living. Trips that are 500 miles and a few hours by plane stretch in to several day 1500 mile odysseys costing 5x the fare of a plane. Then what about the times when the city you need to be in is 200 miles from a rail stop? It's nice to have good commuter rail in the north east and I use it when in the area, but rail is teh fail for business travel in America.
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Check again. A lot of public services are not available to convicted felons.
Silverlight is a cross-browser, cross-platform, and cross-device plug-in used for creating rich applications on the Internet.
Cross platform? Two platforms is barely what I think of as cross platform. Cross device? Where's Silverlight for Android? iOS? Symbian is still in beta... What MS brochure did you cut and paste from?
Silverlight also boasts a powerful client networking stack (making it easy to connect to third-party services like Facebook and Twitter, using SOAP, REST, or even raw TCP sockets)
Sure, but I would suspect that most folks using Silverlight will also be using WCF or WCF RIA services that are pretty much usable only by MS applications. I've rarely needed to communicate at the socket level, but it's easily doable with flash. More importantly, I can generally find someone's class that already does what I need within the Adobe development community instead of spending the time writing something at the socket level.
Bingo, though I might disagree about Silverlight being optimal when you have control over the environment depending on how 'environment' is scoped. If all the existing applications and all internal users were of the MS type, I'd agree. But when supporting both OS X and Vista internal users and grabbing data from SAP, MySQL, MS-SQL, JSON services, SOAP, flat files, etc, I just seem to get it done faster by using PHP to grab the data and hand it off to Flex to display/manipulate.
I agree completely with your comments on trying to manage sessions and states across page loads... delivering the app in a single page gets rid of so much overhead and lets me deploy and move on to the next project much faster.
As a result product lock-in becomes more expensive in the long run that these products are worth, both in terms of money and loss of control for those who wish to do more in life than just add to CEO's retirement funds.
Lock in? Technology changes all the time. There's nothing I write today that I expect to be around in 5-10 years because the business needs I designed for will most likely change. When those projects come up for renewal, nothing stops us from writing in a different tool if it makes sense to do so. As long as our data is stored in safe, consistent manner that lends itself to universal retrieval, I could care less what the UI is written in in five years.
I'll concur that 'neither' is an acceptable answer, but I can't see how you'd be locked in to any solution with enough attention to overall system design.
Writing from the standpoint of an intranet developer, I have control of most of the end user's environment... and those things I can't control, I'm aware of. Daily, I am tasked with bringing data from numerous systems that have a variety of data stores, most of them in MySQL, XML, or available as web services. Looking at both Flash and Silverlight, we went with Flash (via FLEX) to control the appearance across a variety of browsers and ease of integration with existing data stores. FLEX also handles authentication against our AD server and integrates well with WordPress to deliver the same applications directly from the web or desktop with the same code for both our OS X and Vista users via Adobe Air. Silverlight, though to be fair I haven't given the latest release an adequate evaluation, provided to be troublesome for the OS X folks where our Flash applications generate no trouble tickets with the held desk. Just my anecdotal two cents, but Flash FTW when it comes to the current RIA offerings.
HAH! I was just going for this quote :)
You mean like this?
Or... like this.
There was a solar-powered repeater operated by a local club on top of a mountain, broadcasting at 100 watts.
You mean transmitting at 100 watts. It is illegal to broadcast on amateur frequencies except under very limited conditions.
I was right there with you until you proved your limited vocabulary.
Noun 1. niggard - a selfish person who is unwilling to give or spend [perhaps of Scandinavian origin; related to Swedish dialect nygg and Old English hnaw stingy]
It is relevant because he's talking about stingy employers/clients. Chaucer was writing about niggards in the late 1300's... a little bit before the racial slur you're thinking about.
google, ftw
I'm with curmi on this one. Couldn't get the thing to work.
Yeah, but then she met some time traveler with a better looking lip and ditched his ass.
For you, the point of a phone might be to get alerted to rare but important emergencies. I'm not that important nor am I an emergency responder. I bought my phone so I could contact people when I needed to and so that my friends and family have a way to contact me.... not so they have a way to wake me up in the middle of the night.
There is nothing so important that I need to be woken up in the middle of the night for... and if it's that important, I'll most likely deal with it much better after a good sleep. My 'mute' button gets a good workout and my voice-mail works just fine. None of my friends have ever complained that I'm hard to get ahold of.
I remember when answering machines were exotic and pagers were for doctors and ambulance drivers.
Ever think that some of us might have our TVs hooked up to a computer? If my 'ladyfriend' wants to sit on the sofa with me and watch something on the 42" screen (plenty big for the space I have), she's quite happy watching one of the latest releases in high def over the PS3's network, or perhaps that episode of Chuck on Hulu.... you know, the one we missed cause we were out having a life instead of worshiping the ad masters.
As for making a woman cum, I'm gonna guess you're new to the game. After you've been at it for 30 or so years, it's not the be-all/end-all you think it is. Having one that you like spending time with when you're NOT having sex is the real deal.
It's Apple-F, you insensitive clod!
Dude... what's un-clever about finding Sarah Michelle Gellar attractive? Did you think we watched it for the plot?
Amen. Works perfect on the G1 with Cyanogen's mod and T-Mobile doesn't seem to care.
AMEN! How do I measure a game's worth? If I can find the damn thing when I want to play it, it's all good... if I can't, it's worthless. /z
Well... I thought it was funny.
When the REAL professionals stop inviting us to come participate in drills and actual disasters, I'll give your point of view some consideration. In the mean time, you just sound like someone that wanted a license but was too dumb to pass the test. Don't they miss you on 4chan?
-W1BMW
Funny, I don't have to do that to change a contact on my G1. I find it in the contact list, press 'menu -> edit contact', scroll down to the field and change it. It will synch with Google when I force a synch, or when the next scheduled synch comes if I've got it on automatic. Same with your other two tests. They only prove that you don't know how to work your android phone. /z
I cannot imagine people paying Apple prices to run MS Windows on an exclusive basis. I can imagine them paying such prices to run virtual machines with other OS.
Take a look at the executive conference room. Lots of PHBs love having their slim little macbook pros and macbook airs as status symbols, but still run XP and Vista because they can't be bothered to learn something new.
Because we like well designed things that function as they should?
You don't live in the US, do you. Take a look at the Amtrak time tables and fares... it's not a viable option for anyone that has to travel for a living. Trips that are 500 miles and a few hours by plane stretch in to several day 1500 mile odysseys costing 5x the fare of a plane. Then what about the times when the city you need to be in is 200 miles from a rail stop? It's nice to have good commuter rail in the north east and I use it when in the area, but rail is teh fail for business travel in America.
Logic is a little bird.
I think someone needs a hug