Socrates never existed at all. He was a fictional character used as a tool to propose ideas.
Plato is not the sole reference to Socrates. Xenophon, who would have been around 30 at the putative time of Socrates' death similarly "preserved" Socratic ideas in a series of dialogues.
Plato's works are all Plato's ideas.
It's true that we can't safely distinguish the two. However the ideas, and indeed the character of Socrates portrayed in Plato's Apology, differs markedly from those in later works such as The Republic. It seems that Plato began by trying to keep alive the memory of his mentor, but ended by using him as a mere vehicle for his own ideas.
He's also mentioned in Aristophanes' play THE CLOUDS, so Socrates was definitely a well-known fellow.
After reading your post, I refreshed my memory by looking up an earlier leak, the Pentagon Papers. I believe that particular leak was completely justified because it proved that a succession of presidents had lied to the American people. The reason that the Pentagon and the diplomatic corps are worried about this current leak may just be that they have similar wrongdoing in them...because they acted improperly and illegally and do not want this known. Personally, if there's anything in them about "extraordinary rendition" or torture, I want that known, and it will NOT come out through proper channels. For such things, the system does not and cannot work.
So what should a moral citizen do? The answer is that he DOES make the determination himself that certain things are immoral to keep hidden. No man should ever place his conscience in another's keeping. The Nuremberg trials were all about that principle.
So, break the law if you feel it necessary. This is called "Civil Disobedience." And yes, sooner or later pay the price for it. My impression is that the founder of Wikileaks knows that he will pay the price eventually, but wants to have an effect on the world first. My feeling is that the price he will pay with is his life. Our governments are not above assassination, any more than they are above kidnapping or torture.
The magical thinking around chi alchemy is the result of Western charlatans taking what was effectively an 100% practial art and science and turned marketed it into a magical pill that heals all ills by next Tuesday. Protip: That ain't the way it works.
I wouldn't say it was 100% "practical." When there are the same number of acupuncture points as there are days in the year, there's magical thinking going on. When a chi master is believed to be able to expel the chi force in his body and fly, there's magical thinking going on. Chi, mana, magical force, no difference. When the system of meridians is differentiated from the blood vessels only by the proportions of blood and chi in them (mostly chi, some blood flowing, vs. mostly blood, some chi flowing), even though blood vessels are easily discoverable in the body and the meridians are not, well, science is not at work.
In a great many ways, Chinese traditional medicine is spookily similar to Western traditional medicine. There, too, health depends on the amount and proportion of a few essential fluids in the body. What the Chinese called qi flowing in meridians, the West called pneuma flowing in veins (until the experiments of Galen disproved that theory). There was a founder of medicine in both traditions (Yellow Emperor, Hippocrates), and Chinese herbal thinking had its counterpart in Western herbal medicine. (Compare the Shénnóng bnco jng to Dioscorides' Materia Medica).
The more you look, the more similarities you see. The big difference is that the West turned its back on traditional medicine a bit over a hundred years ago, and it's largely been forgotten; in the East, it has been retained beside Western medicine, as a parallel system. Many people trust in both systems simultaneously...except for surgery. There is no such thing as "Chinese Traditional Surgery" being practiced.
My God is real. Your God is not real My God doesn't want people to do X This applies to everyone because they're believing in the wrong God. Doing Gods work gets me into heaven. These people insult God, therefore killing them means I'm protecting God. Therefore God owes me a seat.
I've always liked an Indian saying that Kipling quoted. "Your gods and my gods...Do you or I know which is stronger?" Sounds pretty civilized to me.
My recollection is that none of the stories ever resolved. That always seemed sloppy and lazy to me. The basic Twilight Zone plot always seemed to be: a) Creepy, weird, moderately intriguing things start to happen for no reason. b) Things continue to happen. c) Finally, things stop happening, for no reason. I always felt cheated. Couldn't the writer at least have taken the time to, say, have someone throw a bucket of water on whatever creepy entity was doing the weird things, and have the entity scream "No! No! I can't stand water! I'm melllltttting! I'm melllllttting!" Or end with the main character waking up and finding out that It Was All A Dream?:-) Well, maybe a little bit more clever than that; but it's those little touches of verisimilitude that distinguish SF from fantasy and help suspend disbelief. I always felt that The Twilight Zone was unequivocally fantasy, not science fiction.
Actually, I've been showing season one of the Twilight Zone to my students for a while (as an alternative to reading more short stories, and as a treat), and I can't say that I agree with your impression. My favourite one ("Time Enough at Last") has the dramatic unities of time, space, and character and resolves, tragically. My second favourite ("The After Hours") resolves when the main character finds out and accepts who she is. "What You Need" resolves when a conflict between characters ends (I won't say how and spoil it). "The Monsters on Maple Street" ends when the reason for all the activity is revealed. "The Obsolete Man" ends satisfyingly. I could go on.
There's no arguing over taste, and you're welcome to dislike it, but I've turned modern teenagers who hate black-and-white shows into fans who beg for yet another episode. There is an integrity in the writing and acting on The Twilight Zone that still captures.
By the way, does anyone remember Rod Serling's "Night Gallery" with fondness?
I don't mind teaching this stuff (economics) in school, as long as we don't teach it as "the way we do it here is right." For example, it should include a good look at Stone Age Economics, The Gift, and the chapter of Asimov and Pohl Our Angry Earth called "How Bean Counters can Save the World." It should teach how Muslim banks work, even though they can't charge interest. It should teach the historic importance of the labour movement to those who were not born into the middle or upper class. It should also teach that economic systems can and must be changed over time to correct inequities and negative feedback loops, just as any social and cultural system can be changed.
I remember listening to a talk by David Suzuki, in which he said that, despite being a scientist, he was always intimidated by economic jargon, so he signed up for a first year economics course. The prof put a huge and complex flowchart up on the board and said, "This is Economics." Suzuki looked at it, trying to find where the boxes on the board linked up with anything he knew, and failed, so he stuck his hand up and asked, "Where is the natural environment? Where is the culture?" The prof said, "Oh, those are externalities. Suzuki commented, "I'm a scientist. I know what externalities are. I was just flabbergasted that everything that I care about could be dismissed with that word."
Yes, I'm remembering this, so the quotations are actually paraphrases. It's a good story, though, and summarizes my thinking that economics is a good servant, if its limitations are understood, but a very poor and inhuman guide to what we should be doing in any particular case.
For web page editing on the Mac, designers might prefer using Freeway (http://www.softpress.com/). It lets people lay out web pages, do button actions, etc. using a desktop publishing metaphor. I've played with it in the past, and it looked slick, but haven't used it in depth nor recently.
What do you mean, 'does nothing of the sort'? How about the dozens of rules on the people you have to kill?
That's the Old Testament. Christians respect that for historical reasons but generally don't go to it for guidance. E.g. People aren't generally on the lookout for witches to kill, take on the responsibility of marrying their dead brother's wife, have up to hundreds of wives, circumcise themselves for religious reasons, or follow the dietary restrictions. The New Testament is usually supposed to replace the old in such matters.
"Freedom of speech is an American concept, so I don't give it any value." - Dean Steacy, Canadian Human Rights Commission investigator
That's an odd comment, and I suspect it's taken out of context. If we look under the Fundamental Freedoms guaranteed in the Charter (part of the Canadian Constitution, that is), we see
"(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;"
which seems to be a "free speech" guarantee. However, being Canadian, we back away from anything too... absolute, and so all such rights are " subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society." That's why "hate crimes" can be legislated into existence and enforced.
In Canada, musical recordings and movies leave copyright after fifty years. (Written works leave copyright fifty years after the death of the author). That means that an extensive list of movies is public domain (in Canada) and can be legally downloaded. For example,
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937) The Wizard of Oz (1939) Fantasia (1940) 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (1954) Lady and the Tramp (1955)
I used a torrent the other day to get a copy of music that my dad used to have on album, "Yvonne de Carlo Sings." The date: 1957. I'd argue that the torrent search engine and I are in the clear on this one.
The one proviso: when Disney restores the colour or re-engineers the sound track, the copyright clock starts ticking again ON THE REVISED VERSION, which is why Disney does that so often.
By the way, if anyone knows where I can get a torrent of the film "Dr. Ehrlich's Magic Bullet" (1940) or Thurber's "The Male Animal" (1942) please let me know.
European Space Agency picks the planetoid named after Europe? Who didn't see this coming?
You may be joking, but actually the Europeans chose a planet named after a pretty girl. So, as you say, who didn't see this coming? (Europa's the one that Jupiter came to in the form of a bull. Europe's named after her, not the other way around).
I noticed an odd fact in the prayer before the inaugurations. The qualities ascribed to God were that he is "one" and he is "compassionate." This seems to be a subtle reaching out to Muslims right there, since those are the qualities of God emphasized in Islam: "In the name of Allah, the Merciful, the Compassionate. Say (O Muhammad), He is God, the One God, the Everlasting Refuge, who has not begotten, nor has been begotten, and equal to Him is not anyone." He could have mentioned salvation or the Trinity or other divisive attributes instead. When he does mention Jesus, he gives the name in several languages including, I think, Arabic. Probably to remind Americans that Jesus is not a property of the U.S. and remind Muslims that the prophet Jesus is honoured in Islam. Finally, he ends with the Lord's Prayer which, as well as being blessedly short, is something that no Christian denomination has trouble with.
Just an observation: the reaching out to Muslims started before the Inaugural Speech.
This proves that the Intelligent Designer: - has never been taught of proper design practice and re-use of previous work - has been sued by the other intelligent designer who built the previous brain for patent infringement and thus couldn't use the same brain but had to built a new one - is so messy that instead of trying to dig again her/his/its plans of the previous (intelligent) design for brains somewhere under a mountain of junk, restarting everything from scratch is a better alternative - isn't meticulous and precise enough be succeed making the same brain twice in a row - is so bored the she/he/it needs to reinvent the wheel every week or so
Never before have my work habits been described as 'Godlike.' Thank you.
As part of my job, I explain to students from republican governments how the parliamentary system and constitutional monarchy, as practiced in Canada, makes sense. To me, it is silly to have to respect a politician as a symbol of my country. Split the jobs: non-political symbol, non-symbolic politician. However, I think that the British comedy group "Beyond the Fringe" put it well in one of their skits.
Person 1: However, there is a sense in which Lyndon Johnson is the Queen and Prime Minister rolled into one. Person 2: One what? Person 1: Exactly!
Count Sudoku() says "Wake me when the house of the future runs on a platform that is secure and stable and relatively free of solutions in search of problems."
I agree. Congratulations to PG. Now what we need is a CANADIAN organization to host the content that PG can't. There's probably a lot of it because Canadian copyright law is still based on a life+50 term.
The most satisfyingly quick computer I've ever had was an Apple IIe that booted from a flash ram card. If I set it up to boot into a program selector, one second flat. If I booted into AppleWorks 4.0, with a bunch of add-ons, four seconds.
-Gareth
Wasn't Douglas Adams prior art for this?
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I remember that the novel "Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency" featured a spreadsheet that turned financial numbers into music, and that later in the book the plot turned on discovering that DNA and other natural phenomena translated into the music of Bach. That's how I remember it, anyway.
It hasn't come up in the discussion, but I've recently discovered a vector graphics program called Xara (http://www.xara.com) that may deserve a plug or three. The program's history, on the home site, shows that it has been around since 1994, so it's mature. It's also free on Linux and cheap on Windows. It's pitched as an Illustrator competitor, so may have the features you need.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding Drsmithy when he wrote:
(1) Column View is the best feature for file browsing not available on any other OS.
Column view is horrid to work with for much the same reason List view is - too much scrolling and no way of easily moving between different directories. I believe the old NeXT file manager used to have a "shelf" where files could be temporarily placed while directories were being navigated - that and/or decent cut & paste would make the Finder about a thousand times more usable.
However, I tried a little experiment (OS X 10.1.5). I dragged a folder into the toolbar of a Finder window. I then dragged a file from the Finder window onto the folder icon in the toolbar. The folder icon darkened, showing it could accept the file. When I dropped the file on it, the file was copied into the folder.
Isn't that what you were saying about a shelf? And couldn't that be used to avoid the excessive scrolling problems you mentioned?
"I've never heard acting and Irish accents that poor! Ever!"
Did you see Sean Connery as an Irish cop in the Untouchables?
Sean's in a class by himself in (not) doing accents. As a spaniard in Highlander, an Estonian in Hunt for Red October, an Englishman in the James Bond movies...
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Rather than re-invent the wheel, he could also have a look at South Africa's free science and math textbooks: http://www.fhsst.org
-Gareth
Socrates never existed at all. He was a fictional character used as a tool to propose ideas.
Plato is not the sole reference to Socrates. Xenophon, who would have been around 30 at the putative time of Socrates' death similarly "preserved" Socratic ideas in a series of dialogues.
Plato's works are all Plato's ideas.
It's true that we can't safely distinguish the two. However the ideas, and indeed the character of Socrates portrayed in Plato's Apology, differs markedly from those in later works such as The Republic. It seems that Plato began by trying to keep alive the memory of his mentor, but ended by using him as a mere vehicle for his own ideas.
He's also mentioned in Aristophanes' play THE CLOUDS, so Socrates was definitely a well-known fellow.
After reading your post, I refreshed my memory by looking up an earlier leak, the Pentagon Papers. I believe that particular leak was completely justified because it proved that a succession of presidents had lied to the American people. The reason that the Pentagon and the diplomatic corps are worried about this current leak may just be that they have similar wrongdoing in them...because they acted improperly and illegally and do not want this known. Personally, if there's anything in them about "extraordinary rendition" or torture, I want that known, and it will NOT come out through proper channels. For such things, the system does not and cannot work.
So what should a moral citizen do? The answer is that he DOES make the determination himself that certain things are immoral to keep hidden. No man should ever place his conscience in another's keeping. The Nuremberg trials were all about that principle.
So, break the law if you feel it necessary. This is called "Civil Disobedience." And yes, sooner or later pay the price for it. My impression is that the founder of Wikileaks knows that he will pay the price eventually, but wants to have an effect on the world first. My feeling is that the price he will pay with is his life. Our governments are not above assassination, any more than they are above kidnapping or torture.
-Gareth
The magical thinking around chi alchemy is the result of Western charlatans taking what was effectively an 100% practial art and science and turned marketed it into a magical pill that heals all ills by next Tuesday. Protip: That ain't the way it works.
I wouldn't say it was 100% "practical." When there are the same number of acupuncture points as there are days in the year, there's magical thinking going on. When a chi master is believed to be able to expel the chi force in his body and fly, there's magical thinking going on. Chi, mana, magical force, no difference. When the system of meridians is differentiated from the blood vessels only by the proportions of blood and chi in them (mostly chi, some blood flowing, vs. mostly blood, some chi flowing), even though blood vessels are easily discoverable in the body and the meridians are not, well, science is not at work.
In a great many ways, Chinese traditional medicine is spookily similar to Western traditional medicine. There, too, health depends on the amount and proportion of a few essential fluids in the body. What the Chinese called qi flowing in meridians, the West called pneuma flowing in veins (until the experiments of Galen disproved that theory). There was a founder of medicine in both traditions (Yellow Emperor, Hippocrates), and Chinese herbal thinking had its counterpart in Western herbal medicine. (Compare the Shénnóng bnco jng to Dioscorides' Materia Medica).
The more you look, the more similarities you see. The big difference is that the West turned its back on traditional medicine a bit over a hundred years ago, and it's largely been forgotten; in the East, it has been retained beside Western medicine, as a parallel system. Many people trust in both systems simultaneously...except for surgery. There is no such thing as "Chinese Traditional Surgery" being practiced.
-Gareth
My God is real.
Your God is not real
My God doesn't want people to do X
This applies to everyone because they're believing in the wrong God.
Doing Gods work gets me into heaven.
These people insult God, therefore killing them means I'm protecting God.
Therefore God owes me a seat.
I've always liked an Indian saying that Kipling quoted. "Your gods and my gods...Do you or I know which is stronger?" Sounds pretty civilized to me.
-Gareth
Isn't that a little strange ? Or is it just one of those obvious things...(Hey, we should build build stone pyramid shaped things...)
Or, to rephrase, "Why is it that pyramids all over the world have the same shape?"
-Gareth
My recollection is that none of the stories ever resolved. That always seemed sloppy and lazy to me. The basic Twilight Zone plot always seemed to be: a) Creepy, weird, moderately intriguing things start to happen for no reason. b) Things continue to happen. c) Finally, things stop happening, for no reason. I always felt cheated. Couldn't the writer at least have taken the time to, say, have someone throw a bucket of water on whatever creepy entity was doing the weird things, and have the entity scream "No! No! I can't stand water! I'm melllltttting! I'm melllllttting!" Or end with the main character waking up and finding out that It Was All A Dream? :-) Well, maybe a little bit more clever than that; but it's those little touches of verisimilitude that distinguish SF from fantasy and help suspend disbelief. I always felt that The Twilight Zone was unequivocally fantasy, not science fiction.
Actually, I've been showing season one of the Twilight Zone to my students for a while (as an alternative to reading more short stories, and as a treat), and I can't say that I agree with your impression. My favourite one ("Time Enough at Last") has the dramatic unities of time, space, and character and resolves, tragically. My second favourite ("The After Hours") resolves when the main character finds out and accepts who she is. "What You Need" resolves when a conflict between characters ends (I won't say how and spoil it). "The Monsters on Maple Street" ends when the reason for all the activity is revealed. "The Obsolete Man" ends satisfyingly. I could go on.
There's no arguing over taste, and you're welcome to dislike it, but I've turned modern teenagers who hate black-and-white shows into fans who beg for yet another episode. There is an integrity in the writing and acting on The Twilight Zone that still captures.
By the way, does anyone remember Rod Serling's "Night Gallery" with fondness?
-Gareth
Fifty years, which means each season is now falling one year at a time into the public domain in Canada. Yay!
-Gareth
I don't mind teaching this stuff (economics) in school, as long as we don't teach it as "the way we do it here is right." For example, it should include a good look at Stone Age Economics, The Gift, and the chapter of Asimov and Pohl Our Angry Earth called "How Bean Counters can Save the World." It should teach how Muslim banks work, even though they can't charge interest. It should teach the historic importance of the labour movement to those who were not born into the middle or upper class. It should also teach that economic systems can and must be changed over time to correct inequities and negative feedback loops, just as any social and cultural system can be changed.
I remember listening to a talk by David Suzuki, in which he said that, despite being a scientist, he was always intimidated by economic jargon, so he signed up for a first year economics course. The prof put a huge and complex flowchart up on the board and said, "This is Economics." Suzuki looked at it, trying to find where the boxes on the board linked up with anything he knew, and failed, so he stuck his hand up and asked, "Where is the natural environment? Where is the culture?" The prof said, "Oh, those are externalities. Suzuki commented, "I'm a scientist. I know what externalities are. I was just flabbergasted that everything that I care about could be dismissed with that word."
Yes, I'm remembering this, so the quotations are actually paraphrases. It's a good story, though, and summarizes my thinking that economics is a good servant, if its limitations are understood, but a very poor and inhuman guide to what we should be doing in any particular case.
Gareth
For web page editing on the Mac, designers might prefer using Freeway (http://www.softpress.com/). It lets people lay out web pages, do button actions, etc. using a desktop publishing metaphor. I've played with it in the past, and it looked slick, but haven't used it in depth nor recently.
-Gareth
What do you mean, 'does nothing of the sort'? How about the dozens of rules on the people you have to kill?
That's the Old Testament. Christians respect that for historical reasons but generally don't go to it for guidance. E.g. People aren't generally on the lookout for witches to kill, take on the responsibility of marrying their dead brother's wife, have up to hundreds of wives, circumcise themselves for religious reasons, or follow the dietary restrictions. The New Testament is usually supposed to replace the old in such matters.
-Gareth
"Freedom of speech is an American concept, so I don't give it any value." - Dean Steacy, Canadian Human Rights Commission investigator
That's an odd comment, and I suspect it's taken out of context. If we look under the Fundamental Freedoms guaranteed in the Charter (part of the Canadian Constitution, that is), we see
"(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;"
which seems to be a "free speech" guarantee. However, being Canadian, we back away from anything too ... absolute, and so all such rights are " subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society." That's why "hate crimes" can be legislated into existence and enforced.
-Gareth
In Canada, musical recordings and movies leave copyright after fifty years. (Written works leave copyright fifty years after the death of the author). That means that an extensive list of movies is public domain (in Canada) and can be legally downloaded. For example,
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937)
The Wizard of Oz (1939)
Fantasia (1940)
20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (1954)
Lady and the Tramp (1955)
I used a torrent the other day to get a copy of music that my dad used to have on album, "Yvonne de Carlo Sings." The date: 1957. I'd argue that the torrent search engine and I are in the clear on this one.
The one proviso: when Disney restores the colour or re-engineers the sound track, the copyright clock starts ticking again ON THE REVISED VERSION, which is why Disney does that so often.
By the way, if anyone knows where I can get a torrent of the film "Dr. Ehrlich's Magic Bullet" (1940) or Thurber's "The Male Animal" (1942) please let me know.
-Gareth
European Space Agency picks the planetoid named after Europe? Who didn't see this coming?
You may be joking, but actually the Europeans chose a planet named after a pretty girl. So, as you say, who didn't see this coming? (Europa's the one that Jupiter came to in the form of a bull. Europe's named after her, not the other way around).
-Gareth
I noticed an odd fact in the prayer before the inaugurations. The qualities ascribed to God were that he is "one" and he is "compassionate." This seems to be a subtle reaching out to Muslims right there, since those are the qualities of God emphasized in Islam: "In the name of Allah, the Merciful, the Compassionate. Say (O Muhammad), He is God, the One God, the Everlasting Refuge, who has not begotten, nor has been begotten, and equal to Him is not anyone." He could have mentioned salvation or the Trinity or other divisive attributes instead. When he does mention Jesus, he gives the name in several languages including, I think, Arabic. Probably to remind Americans that Jesus is not a property of the U.S. and remind Muslims that the prophet Jesus is honoured in Islam. Finally, he ends with the Lord's Prayer which, as well as being blessedly short, is something that no Christian denomination has trouble with.
Just an observation: the reaching out to Muslims started before the Inaugural Speech.
-Gareth
This proves that the Intelligent Designer:
- has never been taught of proper design practice and re-use of previous work
- has been sued by the other intelligent designer who built the previous brain for patent infringement and thus couldn't use the same brain but had to built a new one
- is so messy that instead of trying to dig again her/his/its plans of the previous (intelligent) design for brains somewhere under a mountain of junk, restarting everything from scratch is a better alternative
- isn't meticulous and precise enough be succeed making the same brain twice in a row
- is so bored the she/he/it needs to reinvent the wheel every week or so
Never before have my work habits been described as 'Godlike.' Thank you.
As part of my job, I explain to students from republican governments how the parliamentary system and constitutional monarchy, as practiced in Canada, makes sense. To me, it is silly to have to respect a politician as a symbol of my country. Split the jobs: non-political symbol, non-symbolic politician. However, I think that the British comedy group "Beyond the Fringe" put it well in one of their skits.
Person 1: However, there is a sense in which Lyndon Johnson is the Queen and Prime Minister rolled into one.
Person 2: One what?
Person 1: Exactly!
-Gareth
Count Sudoku() says "Wake me when the house of the future runs on a platform that is secure and stable and relatively free of solutions in search of problems."
Would that be a concrete foundation?
-Gareth
I agree. Congratulations to PG. Now what we need is a CANADIAN organization to host the content that PG can't. There's probably a lot of it because Canadian copyright law is still based on a life+50 term.
-Gareth
The most satisfyingly quick computer I've ever had was an Apple IIe that booted from a flash ram card. If I set it up to boot into a program selector, one second flat. If I booted into AppleWorks 4.0, with a bunch of add-ons, four seconds.
-Gareth
I remember that the novel "Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency" featured a spreadsheet that turned financial numbers into music, and that later in the book the plot turned on discovering that DNA and other natural phenomena translated into the music of Bach. That's how I remember it, anyway.
So, do novels count as prior art?
-Gareth
It hasn't come up in the discussion, but I've recently discovered a vector graphics program called Xara (http://www.xara.com) that may deserve a plug or three. The program's history, on the home site, shows that it has been around since 1994, so it's mature. It's also free on Linux and cheap on Windows. It's pitched as an Illustrator competitor, so may have the features you need.
-Gareth
Maybe I'm misunderstanding Drsmithy when he wrote:
However, I tried a little experiment (OS X 10.1.5). I dragged a folder into the toolbar of a Finder window. I then dragged a file from the Finder window onto the folder icon in the toolbar. The folder icon darkened, showing it could accept the file. When I dropped the file on it, the file was copied into the folder.
Isn't that what you were saying about a shelf? And couldn't that be used to avoid the excessive scrolling problems you mentioned?
Gareth
I recall it being $120 million. (Purely nominal, as a "vote of confidence," of non-voting stock). Since sold, at a profit.
-Gareth
Bowie J. Poag opined:
"I've never heard acting and Irish accents that poor! Ever!"
Did you see Sean Connery as an Irish cop in the Untouchables?
Sean's in a class by himself in (not) doing accents. As a spaniard in Highlander, an Estonian in Hunt for Red October, an Englishman in the James Bond movies...
-Gareth