As a Note 7 owner, most of us got the v2 "fixed" version (which wasn't quite fixed it turns out). Pretty much everything on the market is a fairly significant downgrade if you're a power user, so if you got a Note 7, you'd want a Note 7 to replace it. CPSC just flipped the switch on the v2 phones yesterday so there are still a good number of Note 7s in circulation. It takes time to manufacture, prep, ship special boxes for shipping damaged lithium batteries, and then have the users return ship them for disposal. And, in the middle of that mess, the 2M people with Note 7s have to go get a replacement phone. You can't just magically have 2 million phones disappear overnight.
There are a few hold outs who don't care and want to keep them, just as there are a couple of people who wanted to keep the hoverboards, but I think they're a pretty small minority.
And those are just the first two pages of Google links. It's not just Apple - all phones do this. All phones with lithium batteries have a chance of entering thermal runaway. It's inherent in the materials. That said, the Note 7 was close to two orders of magnitude above what a consumer device really should be in terms of spontaneous combustion. Still low probability, but too high for the disruptive nature of and heat generating device on an operating aircraft.
More like, we found out that 100 people out of 5 million who ate our Egg-o-licious toaster pastry got sick. If you still have a box of them on your pantryshelf, we're going to send you a prepaid mailing label so you can send it back. And we're going to give you all of your money back. And the tax you paid. And give you $25 for the inconvenience. And, if you'd like to try our Sausage-o-licious or Pancake-o-licious toaster pastries, we'll give you an extra $75 off.
I mean, it's not a free lifetime supply ofSausage-o-licious, and they're not offering you the Egg-and-Spam-o-licious toaster pastry for free next year, but that might be a bit over the top, don't you think?
No, but since they've completely refunded your money and all carrier fees and taxes are being dropped, you're going to have a hard time arguing in court that you suffered anything more than the (minor) inconvenience of having to send the phone back in a pre-paid, no cost box they send to you, or turning it in at your place of purchase. I'm not sure you can get pain and suffering compensation because you got butt hurt over Apple fanboi comments on your Facebook feed.
You get a full refund, plus a refund of all the service charges and tax, plus a $25 credit with your carrier (if you bought it from a carrier). The $100 - $75 net, really, as you don't get the $25 we're sorry credit plus the $100, is if you want to get a new Samsung.
Not that it matters, I traded my POS G4 in for $300 towards my Note 7, and after the song and dance I now have a 256GB uSD card, a Gear VR, a $100 bill credit in addition to the $300 trade in ($400 in total credit), and I just ordered a S7E for $150. If I cancelled my service tomorrow after getting my S7E, I'd pay a $350 ETF. IOW, have the uSD card, Gear VRm and S7E for $100 free and clear. I'd rather have a Note 7 (that doesn't have the flaw), but I'm not exactly feeling "taken advantage of" at this point.
Ah, but this isn't setting your kettle for when you get up, it's setting your kettle for a fixed time and then also waking up at that time. The time you get up is no longer an independent variable in that system. It's like Ford allowing you to choose any color car you like, as long as you choose black.
I thought his sole goal was to reduce the time he spent on making/planning meals. Kind of like having a single color and style of suit, shirt, shoes - no decisions, just efficiency.
I think the editors are just fucking with us now. Do we really think the slashdot editors have such a poor grasp of language that they throw out at least one completely unparsable headline every day unintentionally? Nobody is that stupid and incompetent. My money is that they're just trolling us now.
You mean to tell me that you're going to have millions of vehicles with umpteen sensors, and millions more with passengers that are cataloging every speed fluctuation and bump in the road - all of which can be used for road maintenance and optimization, but we're going to ignore all of that data so we can put into place and maintain a complete second system? All of the civic uses can pretty much be gathered using anonymized cell phone and car data. Fuck the commercial stuff.
It sounded like they lifted some over-zealous marketing wonks out of the conference room and stuck them on the air. The video was cool, but I just about threw up every time they spoke.
We should really make driverless the default and keep the distracted, poor sighted, slow reacting humans out of traffic in congested areas. If you want to make things work smoothly, that's the better solution.
Willing to bet that you'll notice it side by side, but not in a typical mixed-lighting room with direct and indirect sources which are reflected from the (ubiquitous glossy or semi-gloss) screen in a room at 20-50 ft-candles where most people watch TV. For most people, you could just click on the hideous "vibrant" mode on most TVs and they'd think the TV looked better.
It's like getting high definition or 192kHz/48 bit sound from your phone, and then using the included earbuds to listen to music on the New York subway to listen to it.
Added stuff you can't see / won't use*, now for double the price.
*Not you, personally. I'm sure you can see the difference on your 80" 4k OLED curved set with deep color. I meant the rest of us with normal eyes and typical equipment. You know, the 99.9% of us who don't calibrate every TV in our house to 8 different times of the day so that we can watch with the correct color balance depending on the room lighting.
If your primary concern is to make sure your phone can't track things you do then the last company you want to buy it from is Google. Your issue has nothing to do with batteries.
The iPhone 7 review has been out for a week now. It scored an 86, placing it in a 4 way tie for 8th place along with flagships from LG, Samsung and HTC which were released 12-18 months ago.
I'm pretty sure DxO is happy to test any phone that a manufacturer sends them, but I'm somewhat concerned that it wasn't a "off the assembly line" version, and that Google could have easily sent them a handset that was picked for best performance from a larger batch.
Sorry, but that's bullshit marketing at it's finest. My Note will last over 110 hours on a single charge with the battery saving features enabled, so 7 hours of battery life is like 6% of the capacity. OTOH, typical screen-on-time for even good AMOLED phones using apps with light colored backgrounds is rarely over 5-6 hours without special settings to save power. That would imply up to a 140% charge in just 15 minutes. They may as well have said it will charge up to 5 libraries of Congress in just 15 minutes - it would be just as useful a metric.
That would be weird. But I use it all the time for general searches if I'm not going to disturb other people because it's significantly faster than typing.
Samsung already offers a $50-60 battery replacement on most of their older flagship phones. My bet is that this will form a backlog of refurbs for their Samsung Protection Plus plans, and for distribution though other warranty resellers like SquareTrade. It will probably be at (or perhaps after) Christmas before Samsung releases the refurbs onto the market so as not to cannabalize sales of new handsets. It will also allow them to verify that as many of the old models are off the market as possible before expunging the old IMEI from their "bad" database and allowing them back into the wild. I'd say by February there will be a good sale on the refurbs.
And, for the record, it's a kickass awesome phone. Even with the crazy mess that was the recall, I wouldn't trade mine for anything else on the market right now.
These devices only come in one battery configuration - you get a phone and it comes with the battery they manufacturer provides. It's not like the efficiency of the device matters - are we really concerned about the $0.01 difference in cost to charge the biggest battery in the bunch vs the smallest? Will the $10 in electricity over the life of the phone life really tip the cost scales in favor of one phone or the other? Do you consider that a Galaxy S7 takes about 90 minutes to full-charge, while the iPhone 7 takes over 2 hours? Do we care? No. What we want to know if how long it will last after we take it off the charger and head out into the world.
Over and under performing means almost nothing. Does it work? Is it reliable? How long does it last between charges? It's a consumer device, not a 24/7 database server where efficiency can mean power to run, and cool, and maintain is millions of dollars a year.
To be fair, what I'd really like to see is a comparison of call/daa quality and link margin on phones - the old "what phone gets the best reception" question. As we get more and more dependent on data, I think the RF design should be front and center.
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As a Note 7 owner, most of us got the v2 "fixed" version (which wasn't quite fixed it turns out). Pretty much everything on the market is a fairly significant downgrade if you're a power user, so if you got a Note 7, you'd want a Note 7 to replace it. CPSC just flipped the switch on the v2 phones yesterday so there are still a good number of Note 7s in circulation. It takes time to manufacture, prep, ship special boxes for shipping damaged lithium batteries, and then have the users return ship them for disposal. And, in the middle of that mess, the 2M people with Note 7s have to go get a replacement phone. You can't just magically have 2 million phones disappear overnight.
There are a few hold outs who don't care and want to keep them, just as there are a couple of people who wanted to keep the hoverboards, but I think they're a pretty small minority.
Don't take his word for it
http://gizmodo.com/an-iphone-i...
http://www.cultofmac.com/29186...
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2016/...
https://www.cnet.com/news/ipho...
http://www.pcr-online.biz/news...
https://9to5mac.com/2014/02/22...
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/02/...
http://bgr.com/2016/10/03/ipho...
http://bgr.com/2016/09/29/ipho...
http://bgr.com/2016/09/30/ipho...
http://bgr.com/2016/10/03/ipho...
And those are just the first two pages of Google links. It's not just Apple - all phones do this. All phones with lithium batteries have a chance of entering thermal runaway. It's inherent in the materials. That said, the Note 7 was close to two orders of magnitude above what a consumer device really should be in terms of spontaneous combustion. Still low probability, but too high for the disruptive nature of and heat generating device on an operating aircraft.
There is way too much truth in that post.
More like, we found out that 100 people out of 5 million who ate our Egg-o-licious toaster pastry got sick. If you still have a box of them on your pantryshelf, we're going to send you a prepaid mailing label so you can send it back. And we're going to give you all of your money back. And the tax you paid. And give you $25 for the inconvenience. And, if you'd like to try our Sausage-o-licious or Pancake-o-licious toaster pastries, we'll give you an extra $75 off.
I mean, it's not a free lifetime supply ofSausage-o-licious, and they're not offering you the Egg-and-Spam-o-licious toaster pastry for free next year, but that might be a bit over the top, don't you think?
No, but since they've completely refunded your money and all carrier fees and taxes are being dropped, you're going to have a hard time arguing in court that you suffered anything more than the (minor) inconvenience of having to send the phone back in a pre-paid, no cost box they send to you, or turning it in at your place of purchase. I'm not sure you can get pain and suffering compensation because you got butt hurt over Apple fanboi comments on your Facebook feed.
You get a full refund, plus a refund of all the service charges and tax, plus a $25 credit with your carrier (if you bought it from a carrier). The $100 - $75 net, really, as you don't get the $25 we're sorry credit plus the $100, is if you want to get a new Samsung.
I thought there was one?
Not that it matters, I traded my POS G4 in for $300 towards my Note 7, and after the song and dance I now have a 256GB uSD card, a Gear VR, a $100 bill credit in addition to the $300 trade in ($400 in total credit), and I just ordered a S7E for $150. If I cancelled my service tomorrow after getting my S7E, I'd pay a $350 ETF. IOW, have the uSD card, Gear VRm and S7E for $100 free and clear. I'd rather have a Note 7 (that doesn't have the flaw), but I'm not exactly feeling "taken advantage of" at this point.
Ah, but this isn't setting your kettle for when you get up, it's setting your kettle for a fixed time and then also waking up at that time. The time you get up is no longer an independent variable in that system. It's like Ford allowing you to choose any color car you like, as long as you choose black.
It's rare to have a first post that can effectively be the last post. Today is the day you win the internet.
I thought his sole goal was to reduce the time he spent on making/planning meals. Kind of like having a single color and style of suit, shirt, shoes - no decisions, just efficiency.
I think the editors are just fucking with us now. Do we really think the slashdot editors have such a poor grasp of language that they throw out at least one completely unparsable headline every day unintentionally? Nobody is that stupid and incompetent. My money is that they're just trolling us now.
You mean to tell me that you're going to have millions of vehicles with umpteen sensors, and millions more with passengers that are cataloging every speed fluctuation and bump in the road - all of which can be used for road maintenance and optimization, but we're going to ignore all of that data so we can put into place and maintain a complete second system? All of the civic uses can pretty much be gathered using anonymized cell phone and car data. Fuck the commercial stuff.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...
It sounded like they lifted some over-zealous marketing wonks out of the conference room and stuck them on the air. The video was cool, but I just about threw up every time they spoke.
It's new!
We should really make driverless the default and keep the distracted, poor sighted, slow reacting humans out of traffic in congested areas. If you want to make things work smoothly, that's the better solution.
Willing to bet that you'll notice it side by side, but not in a typical mixed-lighting room with direct and indirect sources which are reflected from the (ubiquitous glossy or semi-gloss) screen in a room at 20-50 ft-candles where most people watch TV. For most people, you could just click on the hideous "vibrant" mode on most TVs and they'd think the TV looked better.
It's like getting high definition or 192kHz/48 bit sound from your phone, and then using the included earbuds to listen to music on the New York subway to listen to it.
Added stuff you can't see / won't use*, now for double the price.
*Not you, personally. I'm sure you can see the difference on your 80" 4k OLED curved set with deep color. I meant the rest of us with normal eyes and typical equipment. You know, the 99.9% of us who don't calibrate every TV in our house to 8 different times of the day so that we can watch with the correct color balance depending on the room lighting.
If your primary concern is to make sure your phone can't track things you do then the last company you want to buy it from is Google. Your issue has nothing to do with batteries.
The iPhone 7 review has been out for a week now. It scored an 86, placing it in a 4 way tie for 8th place along with flagships from LG, Samsung and HTC which were released 12-18 months ago.
I'm pretty sure DxO is happy to test any phone that a manufacturer sends them, but I'm somewhat concerned that it wasn't a "off the assembly line" version, and that Google could have easily sent them a handset that was picked for best performance from a larger batch.
"7 hours of battery with a 15 minute charge"
Sorry, but that's bullshit marketing at it's finest. My Note will last over 110 hours on a single charge with the battery saving features enabled, so 7 hours of battery life is like 6% of the capacity. OTOH, typical screen-on-time for even good AMOLED phones using apps with light colored backgrounds is rarely over 5-6 hours without special settings to save power. That would imply up to a 140% charge in just 15 minutes. They may as well have said it will charge up to 5 libraries of Congress in just 15 minutes - it would be just as useful a metric.
That would be weird. But I use it all the time for general searches if I'm not going to disturb other people because it's significantly faster than typing.
Totally different. If you're a slashdot editor.
Samsung already offers a $50-60 battery replacement on most of their older flagship phones. My bet is that this will form a backlog of refurbs for their Samsung Protection Plus plans, and for distribution though other warranty resellers like SquareTrade. It will probably be at (or perhaps after) Christmas before Samsung releases the refurbs onto the market so as not to cannabalize sales of new handsets. It will also allow them to verify that as many of the old models are off the market as possible before expunging the old IMEI from their "bad" database and allowing them back into the wild. I'd say by February there will be a good sale on the refurbs.
And, for the record, it's a kickass awesome phone. Even with the crazy mess that was the recall, I wouldn't trade mine for anything else on the market right now.
These devices only come in one battery configuration - you get a phone and it comes with the battery they manufacturer provides. It's not like the efficiency of the device matters - are we really concerned about the $0.01 difference in cost to charge the biggest battery in the bunch vs the smallest? Will the $10 in electricity over the life of the phone life really tip the cost scales in favor of one phone or the other? Do you consider that a Galaxy S7 takes about 90 minutes to full-charge, while the iPhone 7 takes over 2 hours? Do we care? No. What we want to know if how long it will last after we take it off the charger and head out into the world.
Over and under performing means almost nothing. Does it work? Is it reliable? How long does it last between charges? It's a consumer device, not a 24/7 database server where efficiency can mean power to run, and cool, and maintain is millions of dollars a year.
To be fair, what I'd really like to see is a comparison of call/daa quality and link margin on phones - the old "what phone gets the best reception" question. As we get more and more dependent on data, I think the RF design should be front and center.