We have had the Treos deployed for well over a year - and this has been way too common for us.
While everyone on the Treo uses Good Software to access corporate email - there is typically no other applications installed that dont come with the treo.
very few of our people use any 3rd party apps on the treo and the reason is - They fail so frequently that everyone is wary to have any real data on the things.
Cingular wont support the hacks ad only recently have we purchased an unlocked treo for one of our extreme users whos phone bill peaks $3000 every time he travels..
I will be getting an HP device this week to test skype over iPass client on a wifi handheld...
Travelling Sales and Executives (not to mention IT) arent necessarily any harder on these things that normal, but due to how heavily we use the treos they go through a lot of wear and tear.
A short list of many of the problems we have seen with the Treo 600 and 650s:
- Screens go bad or blank. - Unit will not power on even though battery is nown good - Horrendous screeching during phone calls - Calls being dropped after 3 or 4 seconds (*every* call) - Unit contiuallly turns off "Wireless Mode" (the cell phone feature) without interaction from or notification to the user - Touch screen is unresponsive
I would say that those problems cover about 80% of what we see, but there are all sorts of other issues that have come up.
I really like the form factor of the Treo, except the 600 keyboard is terrible - the keys require a lot of prseeure to depress and they are small and slippery little dome dome shapes, resultling in too many typos.. but the phone asa complete device is just way too immature.
"Also, the newest Palms have enough spare speed to run Skype -- they're reportedly creating a client for it, which will presumably run via WiFi."
Thats precisely what I am looking for, the problem is that not all areas have wi-fi, so I want a cell phone that has wi-fi which I can run Skype (and putty) on..
Out of ~300 employees world wide, 298 of them have laptops, at my company. We have rolled out Skype as an official service supported by IT in an effort to drive our telecom charges down. The next step is to provide a skype handset with wifi, but due to the unusually large number of our employees that travel, they still need traditional cell capabilities, but dont wnat to have multiple handhelds for various purposes.
My point was that wifi is not al limitation of the treo, but of the carrier end customers requirements as it pertains to them supporting these devices on their network.
I am thinking that a verizon account with their edge capability and a skypable handset with the 80/mo rate is the best option.
Funding a skype-out account for people is still muc cheaper than some of the 1500 per month cell bills we deal with on a regular basis.
You havent used the treos very long then if you think these devices crash "rarely". My IT Staff supports over 50 ermployees on a mix of 600's and 650's, and these things are peices of crap.
I can predictably crash the treo 600 any time I like, the 650s crash and lockup and go offline just about as much as the 600s but they look a lilttlel better doing it.
I am on my 5th treo in less than a year. Our Ceo is on number 14. We were RMA-ing about 2 per week for some time, we have had AT&T (Now Cingular) in our offices on at least four occasions to complain about the number of failures we have had on these devices.
Our Singapore office uses blackberry instead of treo, and while they dont crash as much they still have their issues.
Any company who builds a device as heavy as the treo with features and what not, while not including wi-fi is lshort-sighted at best, despicable at worst. I am sure that the cellular companies are the ones preventing wi--fi from being a feature on the treos, but lthis whole topic just makes me boil. We spend over 30K per month on cell charges, and a great deal of time is spent on fixing/replacing problems with these horrid devices.
How to display these images on this thing: A 360 degree spinning LED screen and we can have a whole crowd get a personal version of whatever they are watching. Combine that with the sound options that the children of the root post point out and we can really have a party!
Nice attempt at being a comment nazi, but just an FYI - while Yoda is a fictitious character, yes, the concepts embedded into the Star Wars Jedi are not simple creations of George Lucas' imagination. Almost every aspect of the Jedi belief system is pulled from real world religion and philosophy. Just because you fail to choose to recognize this does not invalidate my comments.
I would recommend, that if you are as smart as you would like to lead others to believe, you should look into expanding your horizons in areas other than just online technical commentary...
Why not start with something that can be read for its simplicity at first, but as your consciousness expands you will see layer upon layer of meaning:
Understand? Good! Play. A book of quotes from the head of Hombu Dojo for Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu, Hatsumi Maasaki as translated by one Benjamin Cole: here
One of my favorites from the book: "I am teaching you to weild a sword, even if you have no arms!"
"You need megabases for animals if you want to keep the introns intact (scary - a single animal gene can approach an entire bacterial genome in length). "
This is an important concept. Though I have a question as i am not a molecular biologist (or whomever studies DNA) - the question is this:
We as humans have noted some pretty phenomenal patterns in this universe: PHI, Fractal Geometry of plants, spiral structures of DNA etc...
I would like to know: is there possibly a fractal pattern to the sequences of various proteins in DNA, one that even while long, may be essentially summarized?
For example, in traditional (grphical representations) of fractals, the pattern is generated by a fairly simple [concise] mathmatical algorythm... can a similar algorythm be developed which represents a genetic code reproducable by something like these "gene printers" or "DNA photoshop applications" ???
I think we should be careful about the food we consume at political events!!
On a serious note, [tinfoilhat] certain groups within the government (both her and in the UK) have a long long history of seeking behavioural modification drugs that affect the actions of people without a discernable altering series of symptoms.
I have a video of UK soldiers who were being filmed on training missions after receiving LSD unknowingly. In this case, they were given way too much and the results were not good.
I have a very good friend, who just last week, confided in me about her brothers recent court martial from the Marines. Apparently he was in Iraq and he and 47 others in his platoon were being given meth amphetamines by superiors during battle. They were (all 47) court martialled from the marines recently after they were convicted of "buying narcotics from street dealers" when in fact they were being given the drugs from the military and were not allowed to sleep for very extended periods of time...
I wasnt told the details about how they were caught, but they were under diress not to reveal the true nature of the situation to the court martial.
" Vader:You're either with me, or my enemy/Bush:You're either with or against us/Obi-Wan:Only the Sith deal in absolutes
So you caught Lucas's sorry attempt at political commentary?
Yoda: Do, or do not. There is no try.
Huh."
Well, there is a difference between those statements in my opinion. From a philosophical viewpoint, (or a metaphysical one to be more specific) the Mind does not deal in Failure - any and all actions taken succeed. If it is failure you undertake - it is failure you will succeed at.
This is the statement that Yoda is making, you either do something, or you choose to fail at something.... either way, its a chosen coarse of action at which you will succeed. It fits well into the Jedi philosophy as it is more than just closely modelled on Zen + Shinto concepts.
In fact - its amazing how much Jedi philosophy, which is generally thought of as fictional religios beliefs, is so closely related to the high levels concepts of Bujinkan...
One of the Bujinkan Budo Taijutstu (ninjustu) Professors I used to train with stated that the word "CANT" is an acronym for "Choose Again Not To..." and would state that "the only reason why humans dont fly is: because they dont."
I did also notice the attempt at political commentary that was put into the latest Star Wars Franchise Extender, and while I love Star Wars, I felt that this was poorly executed.
"However, I think this is more of Lucas fullfilling his dreamstudio than something extremely future focused."
Not necessarily true. While what you state here has parts of truth in it, this facility is in fact top notch. I worked a great deal on this facility and have seen that it has a lot of features that will allow it to last and be updated for a long time in a very efficient way. I cannot give away a lot of detail, but the following statements may (or may not) be entirely true about this facility:
- multiple fibre runs to every workstation - ability for any/all workstations in the facility to participate in the render clusters - many hundreds of Gigabits of bandwidth between server areas - security designed into the network implementation - a beautiful facility - a very neat, and innovative datacenter design
make no mistake, this facility is really well designed. Though it will be a challenge to run operationally, I wouldnt miss the chance to work on it...
Hopefully Lucas will create great things from there, in addition to their other facilities and locations - but the primary difference was that those early locations all grew organically as needed - which wasnt always the best way to grow. Now there is a facility that was initially designed based on the vast experience they have with their workflow in an effort to design a site that would scale and provide flexibility in how mass amounts of creative content are produced.
passive RFID tags that can be embedded into a bullet head, while not able to survive 100% of shootings, can infact be placed and read. Not only are we close to this now, but it will be very easy in the next 10 years.
and while this was an extreme example of tracking not people, but a thing associated to an action that people undertake - it can in fact be doable.
Also, with regards to guns and RFID, one application is the tracking of all law enforcement guns with RFID disabling devices which prevent the gun being discharged from people without the key. (say a ring - and yes there are still problems with this as I am aware)
finally, if you were to add digital cameras to the front of law enforcement guns which would snap a picture with a partial pull of the trigger, just before the gun is fired, and it can be autited with the actual person who pulled the trigger via RFID tag pairs, you would have a mechanism to ease concern on the issue of some police (sf, san jose, la, nyc etc..) being "trigger happy" or abusive.
yes, thats where it goes beyond the scope of what the RFID manufacturers are talking about.
Remember that there is a difference to tracking items that are *your inventory* and tracking items that are purchased by people and no longer *yours* to track.
The bullet thing is one issue where things (IMO should) be tracked after purchase.
The walmart issue is where things should only be tracked when it is inventory belonging to walmart. After you purchase the item, the tag is removed at register. (ya ya, except if you buy bullets at wall mart)
But the thing is that there is mandated regulation of such things as hazardous chemicals and large supplies of pharmeceuticals which need to be tracked via RFID in order to prevent them from getting into an "unknown state".
but we wouldnt be tracking, say, watermelons - unless you jsut wanted to track the watermelon delivery truck to see when your shipments are to arrive, or delay times between load and unload.
finally, the crux here is that we need a balance, and we need some serious attention paid to the possibilities for value and abuse in order to come up with a good plan.
"Saying 'Don't tag people - tag things' is meaningless in reality."
No this is not meaningless. Fine, my bullet example was maybe a little too out there for some, but lets look at exactly how the military RFID tags their... bullets!
Military shippments are ENOURMOUS and they go to over 400 countries with some 36000 shipments per (day/month - cant recall)...
basically they ship a lot of stuff. They need to make sure that when stuff gets dropped off that they can access the items very efficiently. You dont want a soldier in the field looking for bullets in a rush and having to sort through lots of containers of food.
They RFID tag al lthe containers with active tags, and the soldiers are equipped with mobile readers. They can run around and scan all the containers and quickly get a manifest of whats inside. They also tag the pallets of ammo, and scan what they take/use.
Now, this is obviously not a per bullet issue - but extend this already existing and in place tracking system out ten years (or less) and you will see that the military will soon be able to track any and all assets no matter what use or where deployed.
What can we take from this? that tracking of *things* in the real world is actually already very important, very well funded and will do nothing but continue. This is already moving to the private sector with general cargo tracking, and soon all assets will be tagged (although on a passive level) in such retail chains as walmart. The active tagging will be for large aggregation of passively tagged items, and for visibility into environmental/logistical/security changes (this thing got too hot / was moved / was opened in transit).
so, its not like there isnt a use, or that there arent plans for it - but soon we will be able to track anything of value... I just would prefer that we stay away from tracking humans. While I would agree that some criminals should be monitored, I jsut dont know about tagging them for life... its just not an area that I think to much about. I do think a lot about tagging and tracking of *things*
I totally agree with you in the slippery slope snowball affect that something like this can have. I do not think that people should be electronically tagged and monitored. I do, however, think that *things*, most things, should be electronically tagged and monitored - like bullets and guns:
All bullets should have an individual tag (serial number) in them that can be read. All guns should have an electronic RFID tag in them that can be read.
When an owner of a gun purchases bullets, the bullets should be also scanned with the gun - or the owner. Then when bullets are fired, we should be able to look up who purchased the bullets. This should not always prove who shot the bullets obviously - but it would put us in the general direction.
I also think that there are a number of other useful applications for RFID. like Luggage, business cards, paper tracking etc...
DISCLAIMER: I work in RFID, I support guns and peoples right to own and buy them. But I also support accountability for ownership. I do not think that just because a tag read indicates an owner, that tag read should also indict an owner.
I remember when I was at Intel in the late ninties in there DRG group doing the game testing on latest Intel processors, we used to see a lot of web stuff come in for demo that never made it out in the open.
One in particular that i never forgot was a vector based web something (plugin, app browser cant remember) that was a NURBS based graphic manipulator. It had an infinite (almost) resolution dolphin model that was used for the demo...
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We have had the Treos deployed for well over a year - and this has been way too common for us.
While everyone on the Treo uses Good Software to access corporate email - there is typically no other applications installed that dont come with the treo.
very few of our people use any 3rd party apps on the treo and the reason is - They fail so frequently that everyone is wary to have any real data on the things.
Cingular wont support the hacks ad only recently have we purchased an unlocked treo for one of our extreme users whos phone bill peaks $3000 every time he travels..
I will be getting an HP device this week to test skype over iPass client on a wifi handheld...
Travelling Sales and Executives (not to mention IT) arent necessarily any harder on these things that normal, but due to how heavily we use the treos they go through a lot of wear and tear.
A short list of many of the problems we have seen with the Treo 600 and 650s:
- Screens go bad or blank.
- Unit will not power on even though battery is nown good
- Horrendous screeching during phone calls
- Calls being dropped after 3 or 4 seconds (*every* call)
- Unit contiuallly turns off "Wireless Mode" (the cell phone feature) without interaction from or notification to the user
- Touch screen is unresponsive
I would say that those problems cover about 80% of what we see, but there are all sorts of other issues that have come up.
I really like the form factor of the Treo, except the 600 keyboard is terrible - the keys require a lot of prseeure to depress and they are small and slippery little dome dome shapes, resultling in too many typos.. but the phone asa complete device is just way too immature.
"Also, the newest Palms have enough spare speed to run Skype -- they're reportedly creating a client for it, which will presumably run via WiFi."
Thats precisely what I am looking for, the problem is that not all areas have wi-fi, so I want a cell phone that has wi-fi which I can run Skype (and putty) on..
Out of ~300 employees world wide, 298 of them have laptops, at my company. We have rolled out Skype as an official service supported by IT in an effort to drive our telecom charges down. The next step is to provide a skype handset with wifi, but due to the unusually large number of our employees that travel, they still need traditional cell capabilities, but dont wnat to have multiple handhelds for various purposes.
My point was that wifi is not al limitation of the treo, but of the carrier end customers requirements as it pertains to them supporting these devices on their network.
I am thinking that a verizon account with their edge capability and a skypable handset with the 80/mo rate is the best option.
Funding a skype-out account for people is still muc cheaper than some of the 1500 per month cell bills we deal with on a regular basis.
You havent used the treos very long then if you think these devices crash "rarely". My IT Staff supports over 50 ermployees on a mix of 600's and 650's, and these things are peices of crap.
I can predictably crash the treo 600 any time I like, the 650s crash and lockup and go offline just about as much as the 600s but they look a lilttlel better doing it.
I am on my 5th treo in less than a year. Our Ceo is on number 14. We were RMA-ing about 2 per week for some time, we have had AT&T (Now Cingular) in our offices on at least four occasions to complain about the number of failures we have had on these devices.
Our Singapore office uses blackberry instead of treo, and while they dont crash as much they still have their issues.
Any company who builds a device as heavy as the treo with features and what not, while not including wi-fi is lshort-sighted at best, despicable at worst. I am sure that the cellular companies are the ones preventing wi--fi from being a feature on the treos, but lthis whole topic just makes me boil. We spend over 30K per month on cell charges, and a great deal of time is spent on fixing/replacing problems with these horrid devices.
"I'm a 19 y/o female with household income > $250K"
You sound like a girl I'd like to meet - whats your email address, zip code mothers maiden name and credit card number?
I Surrender Already. I Surrender!
I Surrender!!
That wonderful. All my thanks are to you.
Just make sure to turn prompting off, otherwise while your back there you'll have to approve every action which really slows down the experience.
How to display these images on this thing: A 360 degree spinning LED screen and we can have a whole crowd get a personal version of whatever they are watching. Combine that with the sound options that the children of the root post point out and we can really have a party!
But if it attempts to produce the famous work of john Cage and his 4:33 - I am sure it will cause the machine to go into a run condition and crash....
Nice attempt at being a comment nazi, but just an FYI - while Yoda is a fictitious character, yes, the concepts embedded into the Star Wars Jedi are not simple creations of George Lucas' imagination. Almost every aspect of the Jedi belief system is pulled from real world religion and philosophy. Just because you fail to choose to recognize this does not invalidate my comments.
I would recommend, that if you are as smart as you would like to lead others to believe, you should look into expanding your horizons in areas other than just online technical commentary...
Why not start with something that can be read for its simplicity at first, but as your consciousness expands you will see layer upon layer of meaning:
Understand? Good! Play. A book of quotes from the head of Hombu Dojo for Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu, Hatsumi Maasaki as translated by one Benjamin Cole: here
One of my favorites from the book: "I am teaching you to weild a sword, even if you have no arms!"
"You need megabases for animals if you want to keep the introns intact (scary - a single animal gene can approach an entire bacterial genome in length).
"
This is an important concept. Though I have a question as i am not a molecular biologist (or whomever studies DNA) - the question is this:
We as humans have noted some pretty phenomenal patterns in this universe: PHI, Fractal Geometry of plants, spiral structures of DNA etc...
I would like to know: is there possibly a fractal pattern to the sequences of various proteins in DNA, one that even while long, may be essentially summarized?
For example, in traditional (grphical representations) of fractals, the pattern is generated by a fairly simple [concise] mathmatical algorythm... can a similar algorythm be developed which represents a genetic code reproducable by something like these "gene printers" or "DNA photoshop applications" ???
or should I just go back to the basement?
What about putting this substance in food.
I think we should be careful about the food we consume at political events!!
On a serious note, [tinfoilhat] certain groups within the government (both her and in the UK) have a long long history of seeking behavioural modification drugs that affect the actions of people without a discernable altering series of symptoms.
I have a video of UK soldiers who were being filmed on training missions after receiving LSD unknowingly. In this case, they were given way too much and the results were not good.
I have a very good friend, who just last week, confided in me about her brothers recent court martial from the Marines. Apparently he was in Iraq and he and 47 others in his platoon were being given meth amphetamines by superiors during battle. They were (all 47) court martialled from the marines recently after they were convicted of "buying narcotics from street dealers" when in fact they were being given the drugs from the military and were not allowed to sleep for very extended periods of time...
I wasnt told the details about how they were caught, but they were under diress not to reveal the true nature of the situation to the court martial.
[/tinfoilhat]
"
Vader:You're either with me, or my enemy/Bush:You're either with or against us/Obi-Wan:Only the Sith deal in absolutes
So you caught Lucas's sorry attempt at political commentary?
Yoda: Do, or do not. There is no try.
Huh."
Well, there is a difference between those statements in my opinion. From a philosophical viewpoint, (or a metaphysical one to be more specific) the Mind does not deal in Failure - any and all actions taken succeed. If it is failure you undertake - it is failure you will succeed at.
This is the statement that Yoda is making, you either do something, or you choose to fail at something.... either way, its a chosen coarse of action at which you will succeed. It fits well into the Jedi philosophy as it is more than just closely modelled on Zen + Shinto concepts.
In fact - its amazing how much Jedi philosophy, which is generally thought of as fictional religios beliefs, is so closely related to the high levels concepts of Bujinkan...
One of the Bujinkan Budo Taijutstu (ninjustu) Professors I used to train with stated that the word "CANT" is an acronym for "Choose Again Not To..." and would state that "the only reason why humans dont fly is: because they dont."
I did also notice the attempt at political commentary that was put into the latest Star Wars Franchise Extender, and while I love Star Wars, I felt that this was poorly executed.
Reality Corrupt.
Reboot Universe? [Y/N]
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does this have anything to do with Cobalt, like Cobalt Qube and Raq? That was a linux based NAS bought by Seagate in the past?
"However, I think this is more of Lucas fullfilling his dreamstudio than something extremely future focused."
Not necessarily true. While what you state here has parts of truth in it, this facility is in fact top notch. I worked a great deal on this facility and have seen that it has a lot of features that will allow it to last and be updated for a long time in a very efficient way. I cannot give away a lot of detail, but the following statements may (or may not) be entirely true about this facility:
- multiple fibre runs to every workstation
- ability for any/all workstations in the facility to participate in the render clusters
- many hundreds of Gigabits of bandwidth between server areas
- security designed into the network implementation
- a beautiful facility
- a very neat, and innovative datacenter design
make no mistake, this facility is really well designed. Though it will be a challenge to run operationally, I wouldnt miss the chance to work on it...
Hopefully Lucas will create great things from there, in addition to their other facilities and locations - but the primary difference was that those early locations all grew organically as needed - which wasnt always the best way to grow. Now there is a facility that was initially designed based on the vast experience they have with their workflow in an effort to design a site that would scale and provide flexibility in how mass amounts of creative content are produced.
"Desperate fro Business Day 2005!!!"
Stop saying pornography. Why are you doing this to me? I am an actor. I am an actor.
passive RFID tags that can be embedded into a bullet head, while not able to survive 100% of shootings, can infact be placed and read. Not only are we close to this now, but it will be very easy in the next 10 years.
and while this was an extreme example of tracking not people, but a thing associated to an action that people undertake - it can in fact be doable.
Also, with regards to guns and RFID, one application is the tracking of all law enforcement guns with RFID disabling devices which prevent the gun being discharged from people without the key. (say a ring - and yes there are still problems with this as I am aware)
finally, if you were to add digital cameras to the front of law enforcement guns which would snap a picture with a partial pull of the trigger, just before the gun is fired, and it can be autited with the actual person who pulled the trigger via RFID tag pairs, you would have a mechanism to ease concern on the issue of some police (sf, san jose, la, nyc etc..) being "trigger happy" or abusive.
yes, thats where it goes beyond the scope of what the RFID manufacturers are talking about.
Remember that there is a difference to tracking items that are *your inventory* and tracking items that are purchased by people and no longer *yours* to track.
The bullet thing is one issue where things (IMO should) be tracked after purchase.
The walmart issue is where things should only be tracked when it is inventory belonging to walmart. After you purchase the item, the tag is removed at register. (ya ya, except if you buy bullets at wall mart)
But the thing is that there is mandated regulation of such things as hazardous chemicals and large supplies of pharmeceuticals which need to be tracked via RFID in order to prevent them from getting into an "unknown state".
but we wouldnt be tracking, say, watermelons - unless you jsut wanted to track the watermelon delivery truck to see when your shipments are to arrive, or delay times between load and unload.
finally, the crux here is that we need a balance, and we need some serious attention paid to the possibilities for value and abuse in order to come up with a good plan.
"Saying 'Don't tag people - tag things' is meaningless in reality."
No this is not meaningless. Fine, my bullet example was maybe a little too out there for some, but lets look at exactly how the military RFID tags their... bullets!
Military shippments are ENOURMOUS and they go to over 400 countries with some 36000 shipments per (day/month - cant recall)...
basically they ship a lot of stuff. They need to make sure that when stuff gets dropped off that they can access the items very efficiently. You dont want a soldier in the field looking for bullets in a rush and having to sort through lots of containers of food.
They RFID tag al lthe containers with active tags, and the soldiers are equipped with mobile readers. They can run around and scan all the containers and quickly get a manifest of whats inside. They also tag the pallets of ammo, and scan what they take/use.
Now, this is obviously not a per bullet issue - but extend this already existing and in place tracking system out ten years (or less) and you will see that the military will soon be able to track any and all assets no matter what use or where deployed.
What can we take from this? that tracking of *things* in the real world is actually already very important, very well funded and will do nothing but continue. This is already moving to the private sector with general cargo tracking, and soon all assets will be tagged (although on a passive level) in such retail chains as walmart. The active tagging will be for large aggregation of passively tagged items, and for visibility into environmental/logistical/security changes (this thing got too hot / was moved / was opened in transit).
so, its not like there isnt a use, or that there arent plans for it - but soon we will be able to track anything of value... I just would prefer that we stay away from tracking humans. While I would agree that some criminals should be monitored, I jsut dont know about tagging them for life... its just not an area that I think to much about. I do think a lot about tagging and tracking of *things*
thanks
You know,
I totally agree with you in the slippery slope snowball affect that something like this can have. I do not think that people should be electronically tagged and monitored. I do, however, think that *things*, most things, should be electronically tagged and monitored - like bullets and guns:
All bullets should have an individual tag (serial number) in them that can be read. All guns should have an electronic RFID tag in them that can be read.
When an owner of a gun purchases bullets, the bullets should be also scanned with the gun - or the owner. Then when bullets are fired, we should be able to look up who purchased the bullets. This should not always prove who shot the bullets obviously - but it would put us in the general direction.
I also think that there are a number of other useful applications for RFID. like Luggage, business cards, paper tracking etc...
DISCLAIMER: I work in RFID, I support guns and peoples right to own and buy them. But I also support accountability for ownership. I do not think that just because a tag read indicates an owner, that tag read should also indict an owner.
I remember when I was at Intel in the late ninties in there DRG group doing the game testing on latest Intel processors, we used to see a lot of web stuff come in for demo that never made it out in the open.
One in particular that i never forgot was a vector based web something (plugin, app browser cant remember) that was a NURBS based graphic manipulator. It had an infinite (almost) resolution dolphin model that was used for the demo...