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France to Be Site of World's First Nuclear Fusion
brad writes "The New York Times (free registration) is reporting that 'France won an international competition today to be the site of the world's first nuclear fusion reactor, an estimated $12 billion project that many scientists see as essential to solving the world's future energy needs.'"
If only /. editors could develop a method for fusing dups.
Try paying attention to your own site.
Falun Dafa is good!
http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/2 8/1847202&tid=232&tid=126&tid=14&tid=219
Just fuse the original story and this dupe into a heavier-Z nucleus story.
make world, not war
I just hope it will work.
posted only a few hours ago, i'll be damned.
Big time dupe there.
Nuclear Fusion test reactor: 13.0billion $ /.: Priceless
Not repeating yourself on
Dupe. And not even off the front page.
Wow... this story was only posted about 2 hours ago. Slashdot reposting is reaching an all-time high in efficiency!
What moron let this title slip by. Uhhhh, the sun? Numerous research reactors?
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon, Marshal of France - speaking truth to power
Now...where have I read about this before???
Oh yeah. On Slashdot. Earlier today.
Hmm, this story looks familiar.
ah, that same old song, except this time all on the same screen!
Wow, this must be a first where dups can be seen together. I am impressed.
Do the editors even check anymore?
See previous slashdot article here.
Fr1st dupe?
Fr1st fusion of dupe?
Awww... fsck it. It's a dupe. on the same page.
Not like the editors need to read their own site.
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This is sectioned "Hardware", not "Science", so perhaps this time around we could have an actual discussion on fusion technology and the planned plant, not devolve into a flamefest between idiots.
Trust the Computer. The Computer is your friend.
Jesus F'ing Christ Timothy, this story is still on the front fricken page.
I have nothing against France (only some French), but I was warmly hoping that Japan gets the project. In my view, Japan is so perfectly suited, technology and mentality-wise, to pull this off. Still, France is OK, because they are one of the countries with highest % of nuclear energy. So much so, in fact, that they make a lot of good money exporting it. And get this: one of the largest importers (the largest?) offrench electric energy is Germany, who have outlawed and disbanded their nuclear plants due to Green misguided pressure, and are now a) polluting themselves with coal plants, which actually produce more radioactive waste than nuclear plants of same energy output (not to mention other pollutants). b) paying for el. energy to France, which is produced by nuclear plants which are close enough to Germany, that if a meltdown happened, they would be just as affected! There is something humorous in all this.
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Hopefully the reactor will work better than a Citroen. If not, global warming is likely to see a signifigant increase within the next few years.
If only I had paid for a subscription to Slashdot. Then I could have seen the problem early and helped prevent Timothy from screwing up his job.
I didn't have time to read the article the first time it was posted today. Thanks for the helpful dupe!
Renews for nerds stuff that matters again.
The same crap keeps getting posted over and over and over and over
...timothy, send me your address, I'll get you a copy of hooked on phonics so you can READ the bloody stories
1- bribe Slashdot editor to post dupe 2- re-post old comments 3- ???? 5- Profit!
Can't you at least wait until the original article scrolls off the main page before you post the same article again...
How hard is it to CHECK THE MAIN PAGE BEFORE YOU POST?!
*bangs head on table*
This one's guilty
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My only desire would be that the safety procedures at the new reactor are placed under the control of a third party - preferably a college frat house, its members well supplied with halucinogenic drugs, and who could control the reactor's safety computer systems (based on Windows ME) over the Internet from their own dormrooms via a non-secured link.
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Scientists should instead only monitor slashdot, where the combined mass of dupes should soon exceede the amount necessary for spontaneous fusion. We can only hope the firey ignition is enough to get the attentions of editors.
France will be the worlds 2nd site for (sustained) nuclear fusion. It's been up and running at the Navys undersea research facility off the coat of Maine. Trust me I know.
Can it be used to fuse the two articles into one?
:)
They are getting nuclear fusion or a reactor that uses it?
I bet that "Brad" character is one of the few thankful for lackluster /. editorialship.
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From TFA: Greenpeace, for one, stated that "at a time when it is universally recognized that we must reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 2050, Greenpeace considers it ridiculous to use resources and billions of euros on this project." I swear, I think Greenpeace is more concerned about making sure nobody builds any new powerplants than they are about protecting the environment. They are against new coal plants with modern scrubber technology, they are against fission plants, now they are against this expiremental fusion plant. Do they realize that humanity needs energy to live and thrive? Do they realize that by not building new more efficient powerplants they are forcing people to rely on older, more polluting powerplants more heavily? It seems counterintuitive to me, it's like they would rather stick their thumb in the eye of corporations than actually help the environment.
dupes
Seastead this.
Since they already have EuroDisney, and this Fusion thingy might not pan out, the headline just as easily could have been:
France to Be Site of World's Second Largest Boondogle
This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
Badly-formatted dupe post - The original post in the original thread is here:9 34901
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=154194&cid=12
Who can remember that long ago? I had to google it to verify that you were right. Luckily, it was still in Google's cache.
I, for one, welcome duplicate stories.
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mod down... was posted in the original discussion here by someone else
Help me take back Slashdot. When did 'News for Nerds' become 'FUD and Conspiracy Theories for Extremist Nutjobs'?
Having sent a few -- typos, "choose a different submitter, damn it, this one's a moron" etc -- I've seen no sign that the "editors" read e-mails sent to the Mysterious Future either.
you had me at #!
--Moiche
Rephrased, to illustrate the subtext:
"I have nothing against Israel (only some Jews)."
"I have nothing against Africa (only some niggers)."
He posts without reading the site first and his posts are usually opinion.
Nuke France. Nuke Timothy.
Looks like the half-life of a slashdot story is about 7.5 hours...
Culture is more than commerce
Hell I'm a subscriber and clicked the "report problems here" and emailed the so called "on duty editor".
The "new" article then remained red in the mysterious future for a further 15 minutes before being added to the main non-subscriber page.
So oh mighty editors, if you aren't going to pay attention to emails sent to you, why have the link there in hte first place?
So how bad would it be to just repost all the same comments in this story? :)
This is the news that doesn't end,
yes it goes on and on my friend,
some people started posting it not knowing it's a dupe,
now they'll continue duping it forever just because...
(repeat)
Circumcision is child abuse.
Gods, man! Its on the same friggin page not a third of the way down....
Very insightful.
Do you always run around plagiarizing posts from dup'ed articles?
Jackass.
The French are going to have TWO nuclear fusion reactors. They are becoming a top world power! :D
This shows how irrational and stupid thinking can win against common sense even on large scales, such as national policy. What about US -- they have not built too many reactors since the mid 80s. Chernobyl scare combined with leftover fear of the cold war nuclear appocalipse didn't help, but one would think people who make such decisions will act rationally.
Seriously though, who on earth is bankrolling this little anyway? It'd be really cool if they could hit the break-even point...then I could get one of these to power my flashy new twin-GF7800s...but we're looking at a 10-year time schedule here.
Is there actually going to be enough dosh within Europe to keep this project going in 10 years time? Who's to say Europe won't become some economic backwater in a decade or so? No offence, but at the rate they're going, countries like China and India (well, if they get over the endemic corruption, and manage to attract more FI) are looking to overtake them in less time that that, and in the meantime the US is chugging along quite happily, with 30% of the world's economy in the palm of its hands, and racking up the foreing debt bonus points....
cya, Victor
It will be a sad day when they say goodbye to the hamster.
I wonder where Saddam's WMDs disappeared to. Obviously, this is a conspiracy by the French to make the Bush Administration look bad when no WMDs was found in Iraq. We should send our nuclear waste over there for good measure. ;)
Is it leap frog? [bullfrog laughing] muahhahahhaah [/bullfrog laughing] I don't know.... it made funny when I was half asleep...
I for one am in favor of fusing the French. The only question is what to fuse them with? Maybe an octopus. I don't know what you'd get, but it'd sure throw up a lot of arms when it surrendered!
On one hand, people start talking about ways of preventing solar heat from reaching Earth to reduce global warming, on the other hand, people are getting ready to create power plants that will eventually generate gigawatts.
Well, fusion plants are necessary to replace coal/diesel/fission plants but global warming initiatives should simply focus on making everything more power-efficient and low-emission instead of coming up with inconvenient/impossible ideas. (Some european minister said he was shocked at how much power standby electronics use and suggested that people should not leave TVs&all plugged in when not in use... but how many people would unplug their VCR/TV/PC/etc. to save 5-20W per appliance given the inconveniences?)
Hmm.... where did I read this before?
Oh, right, about 9 stories down...
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How hard is it to scroll down a couple clicks and see the same story before posting? With a more accurate headline to boot. (the world's first nuclear fusion has already occured, God knows where)
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This is exactly why this place is falling apart. What's the point of this when there's now Technocrat.net?
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Please see my other posts in this thread.
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If I was feeling clever, I'd go back through the post earlier today and repost some of the things that got +5s, just for the extra karma.
But I'm feeling lazy.
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The only thing that's different between the original post and this dupe is that this one's headline isn't completely accurate - fusion has already happened with the detonation of the H-bomb in... whenever it was.
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The construction of ITER should (hopefully) see the construction of the worlds first energy positive fusion reactor (ie it produces more energy than it uses). however the question is wether the amount of energy produced can power an entire city or if it can barely power a 12W light globe. Hopefully there will be enough research dollars in the future to answer that question.
Please see my other posts in this thread!
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I wanna see a dupe where both articles are posted by the same editor next.
Hold up, now. I was reading slashdot earlier, and I'm pretty sure that this article's headline should actually read:
:)
"France to be site of world's *second* nuclear fusion"
That should clear things up for anyone who's confused.
Their may be a grammatical error, misspeling, or evn a typo in this post.
Please see my other posts in this thread?
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duped and the dup is still on the front page.. i don't think it has been this bad in the past only 8 between them.. this is jsut sad
'...if only "Jumping to a Conclusion" was an event in the Olympics.'
All joking aside, wouldn't it be nice if SlashDot's main page worked just like the moderation system? Every submitted story would start with a value of 1 and each moderator could push a story up or down one point. Of course, it all comes together when each user sets their own threshhold for front page stories...
I'm guessing this feature has already been suggested for SlashCode implementation. Maybe I should go check...
Nuclear fusion has been done (thermonuclear weapons, anyone?), it's just that this is the first time they think they can actually get useful energy from such a reaction.
Let's duplicate our complaints about the duplicate post! "Same comment, twice on the same page!"
I can only guess that since there isn't a new story every 5 seconds, someone has to approve stories posted.
so, wouldn't someone think to themselves "hey, this isn't news, this is history, we already saw this..."
oh...nevermind.
DUUUUPE
From TFA:
Greenpeace, for one, stated that "at a time when it is universally recognized that we must reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 2050, Greenpeace considers it ridiculous to use resources and billions of euros on this project."
I swear, I think Greenpeace is more concerned about making sure nobody builds any new powerplants than they are about protecting the environment.
They are against new coal plants with modern scrubber technology, they are against fission plants, now they are against this expiremental fusion plant. Do they realize that humanity needs energy to live and thrive? Do they realize that by not building new more efficient powerplants they are forcing people to rely on older, more polluting powerplants more heavily?
It seems counterintuitive to me, it's like they would rather stick their thumb in the eye of corporations than actually help the environment.
While everyone decries the duplicate posts, and one is forced to wonder if the editors atually bother to RTFsite, it occurs to me that there is an oppurtunity here. One could start dupedot, a site that specializes in only posting news that has been posted twice on slashdot. If it is posted twice it MUST be important.
Classic, could be re-phrased as :-
Myself and two other cohorts dreamed up this scheme to enable us to retire early. We dreamt up this project that needed huge sums of cash. We then siphoned 20% off the top straight ionto our own projects, known as wine, women and song.
Of course it was only a matter of time before we were caught and had to retire leaving a new line of porkers at the trough. But those incompentent fools only took 5% and spent the remaining on projects.
This retirment swindle has gone on for years and now everybody aspires to this rather than finding fusion.
And do YOU actually go to Technocrat? Truth is, Fucked Company once had interesting boards, too. Long gone, and Slash is following quickly. Slashdot == The New Fucked Company...
And we can see the same story THREE times on the main page!!! That would be a historic first!
Come on slashdotters, let's make it happen!!!
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
.... Have scientist meddling in nuclear fusion caused a rip in the very fabric of space time? I could have sworn reading this article a mere 7 hours ago here on /. ...
-everphilski-
Friend, it's bitter grapes ramblings from a has-been on a GeoCities web site, for Christ's sake. Get a grip.
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
I guess Nerds NEVER make a mistakes...
I am pulling for the Lawrence Livermore Inertial Confinement Fusion project AKA the National Ignition Facility. The race is on!
c ility
Besides, I love the idea of little tiny fusion bombs being fired off at 10 hz. or so (but that's just me). I imagine it will make a very satisfying vibration.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Ignition_Fa
Wow. If there is some huge screwup France could be gone. (I know fusion technology should be completely safe if it existed.) That would be so sad wouldn't it? :-)
Eric Wilson
Dang, I read this and I thought, for some weird reason, I had just become trapped in the movie "Groundhog's Day".
Scary.
-=Lothsahn=-
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I guess Nerds NEVER make a mistakes.....
A quick trip to google news will show you 307 other sources of this story, which don't require registration. It seems to me like slashdot should never have to link to NYT from the main page.
I can understand if my suggestion is not taken seriously. I only hope it doesn't lead to 307 more dupes.
French location chosen for fusion reactor.
I Surrender Already. I Surrender!
France is not anywhere near the Bay area and SF.
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Hmm... 3 times have been done before, but never on the FP I think.
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http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144601&cid=12
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Of course there was the April Fools Trupe of yore:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=59193&thresho
And then there are the many dupes by the same "Editor" (Usually Zonk):
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144599&cid=12
Ah yes, and then there was the dupe that occured less than an hour after the original. There has been some debate as to whether that was even a dupe or just a Slashvertisement, but for our purposes today we will just call it a dupe:
http://www.andrerestivo.com/weblog/archives/slash
All of this has been documented for your protection here:
http://anti-slash.org/injustices/CmdrTaco/double_
HJ
or else you might get French Fried, or do we call it Freedom Fried now?
Table-ized A.I.
Winning is the important thing:
the US tried and lost.
And then even supported Japan to spite France - and the US lost again! Haha!
I'm thinking about learning French just so I can insult Americans - because I'm really growing to hate you people.
timothy, meet Zonk. He works at Slashdot too. Like you, he's interested in France's fusion reactor. In fact, he posted a story about it seven hours before you did.
Now go away or I shall dupe you a second time.
If my call is important, why am I talking to a recording?
I cant believe so many moderators are wasting points modding up dupe related comments that have been said a thousand times before. let the dupe die and move on already
TIAEAE!
on my page, anyway.
And it's a fucking CONTRACT, for Christ's sake! They haven't even BUILT the goddamn thing yet! Do we really need TWO stories on THAT?
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I believe Amazon has already patented this idea, maybe you should send them a check for disclosing proprietary information.
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
"The song that doesn't end" is the ending song, not the intro.
I can almost see both dupes on my front page at once.
Come on, That's less than 12 hours between dupe posts.
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 is the magic number.
Worse karma whoring attempt EVAR.
It's no accident that France was also the driving force for the EU constitution. They'll embrace any boondoggle that they think will get them out from the shadow of the U.S. and that little island kingdom to the the northwest. If they stopped trying to export cradle-to-grave socialism and red tape, they might have a chance in hell. Viva the sixth, seventh, eighth, and ninth republic! Hooray for whine and smoked cheese!
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2) Post on
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What a slow news day. Oh, here we go. In other news, Paris is no more! The legendary city of lights has been extinguished forever as a huge ::turns off TV::
Think of it as a chance for "do-over" the comment you thought you'd score high mod points earlier...
Well, but now all comments will be redundant since we posted them already!
Is this a dupe?
Fuckin Dupin' loving morons can't you see what you have done to Slashdot?!?!?
When it is duped next time it better be in the "Games" section. I want to play a nice game of Sim Fusion Power Plant.
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Timothy sure seems to have a recurring history of duping posts. He really needs to change his nom-de-plume to "The Duplicator."
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It sure seems that Timothy dupes posts on a recurring basis. "The Duplicator" should be his pen name.
Oh... wait... didn't someone post something about this already??? Silly me.
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Slashdot to be site of many more dups
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"Lamb Chop's Play-Along" was children's programming at its finest -- engaging young minds with wit, instead of talking down to them like that GODDAMN EVIL PURPLE DINOSAUR.
That that is is that that that that is not is not.
Boys and girls. This post is our lesson on the dirty, but admittedly pretty lame, tactics taken by Republicans. Let's invent a story that not only tries to malign a scientific project (Republicans *hate* science), but we can't let an opportunity to take a jab at a Democrat pass us by.
The funny thing is that Republicans have to make up lies and stories in their attempts to tarnish Democrats, and all Democrats have to do is replay tapes or videotapes of Republicans to turn the tables.
Tokamak technology goes back around 60 years, not 30. It was invented in the 1940s. There is a replica of the original Tokamak style reactor in a small museum at General Atomics in San Diego.
General Atomics, by the way, is in a very Republican area. GA has one of the biggest fusion programs around, AND is part of the established energy industry. They do have a gigantic magnetic fusion reactor there, but also a number of groups working on alternative fusion technologies.
Here's a list of other fusion reactors that came before ITER: http://www.grandunification.com/hypertext/Fusion_
That that is is that that that that is not is not.
Not so difficult to remember, the bikini was named after it.
Site of the first H (fusion) bomb detonation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikini_Atoll
>France was selected to be the site of the
... of science.
>world's first nuclear fusion reactor
French are glad to die for love
They delight in fighting for their reactors
But I prefer a yank who lives and gives
me expensive oil shares!
We haven't actually achieved nuclear fusion yet? Sonoluminescence fusion appeared to be a failure when independently tested, and cold fusion was a resounding failure. Or is there some new method of nuclear fusion that I haven't yet heard about?
That it is France who chooses to spend 12 billion, taking a risk, to make the world better. A little hypocritical? Or perhaps there will be an international backlash where America and France II constantly bitches and wines about their moral superiority and France I's inevitable failure.
It was Enwetak. Go figure. See link. The first explosion over a megaton (Oct 31, 1952) is what you're looking for. It's the first fusion bomb. The next is in 1954, and is at Bikini Atoll.
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Library/Catalog
See this is like sim city , in sim city 2000 the fusion power plant was kind of cool , but in sim city 3000 the plant looked much better .
You see this is why its not a dupe it's a sequel , the hardware section looks much better than the science section , though both have pretty much the same features
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To the local politicians...
"I assumed blithely that there were no elves out there in the darkness"
Oh, c'mon! It's almost always timothy!
/., diversity means we get several dupes a day, and leave it at that.
It's like OSTG has a program to employ all of the kids from the short bus, and somehow timothy got the gig as editor.
Of that group, he's probably the best at this. So we should show our support. It isn't easy being intellectually-challenged.
But at the same time, we shouldn't be blaming others.
Let's accept the fact that, at least on
Do you enjoy the taste of Howard Dean's semen?
JET http://www.jet.efda.org/ has been doing fusion for quite a while.
> This led DoE to fight industry wherever a non-DoE hopful new idea appeared.
Is this why accelerator-driven fission reactor systems of the kind suggsted by Carlo Rubbia et al, are given little publicity?
From the article: Still, few scientists expect a fusion reactor to generate commercially viable electricity before the middle of the century, if by then.
I can see the original post and the dupe in the front page at the same time!!! Woaaa! This time you really have raised the bar for future dupes!
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former" - Albert Einstein.
their 35-hour weeks, their 2-hour lunches, their 6-weeks of vacations, their overpriced wine, and their smelly cheese.
You forgot to point that we french also have crooked noises and big penises.
I tried to find more about this, but all I find is a lot of trolling on all kinds of web pages.
I will have to side with the people at Wikipedia. I'd like more proof than a Geocites page by an internet troll.
Also, in order to have the Japanese agree to let the project happen in France, they required that the director of the facility was a Japanese. Also keep in mind that EU and France will have to pay 40% of the bill, while the remaining countries will "only" have to pay 10% each.
500 scientists will be working there, half of them being not french. An estimated 3000-4000 other jobs will be created in the region.
The facility itself will cost 12$ billions, but another 8 or 10$ billions will have to be spent within the 10 years following the creation. Specialists estimate that the first results in industry will be seen in about 40 or 50 years. Overall, I'd say it's a pretty good deal for the France (because of the jobs created and the "proudness" of having the largest fusion reactor in the world), but since all the other countries will, of course, profit of the research there, it's not that much of an advantage.
unfortunately the first fusion reaction was the trinity test, or possibly beforehand, and further fusion reactions have been happening in experimenter's basements since the 60s with the Farnsworth Fusor, among many other efforts.
Perhaps what the submitter meant was "hopefully first greater than unity reaction"...
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And you also forgot we already know how to make an H-Bomb. That would be no use.
Want another piece of H-cake ?
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They spend months arguing to get one then 2 turn up at once!
Chief Scientist: Nope.
Director: Hmm. So there's a significant chance that this could go 'boom'?
Chief Scientist: Quite spectacularly.
Director: Okay. Let's put it in France. We'll tell them they won a competition or something...
>not the French! These are the folks who
>built a nuke-capable reactor for Saddam
>that the Israeli Air Force had to bomb
In fact the very same France in 1959 sold the entire Dimona nuclear reactor to the zionists. The greater israel jewish hawks continue to use it to build circa 400 A- and H-bombs. With these bomb cache the zionist entity terrorizes the entire middle east and the 900 million muslim people worldwide and opresses the palestinian nation, robbing it of its motherland.
One can only hope that the Dimona reactor will also be bombed one day and peace martyr Mordechai Vanunu will get the Nobel Peace prize he deserves.
It is so disgusting when USA threatens Iran and North Korea over few if any nuclear weapons but turns the blind eye to zionist Israel and its posession of 400 nuclar bombs. Double standards in their most shameful form.
While crying and moaning about dupes and rejected submissions isn't exactly constructive criticism, I have to voice my disappointment with the Slashdot editors, especially Timothy, on this one.
I feel particularly annoyed about this news bit. Why is that? Well, I happened to submit this story early tuesday morning (about 10 am GMT / 6 am EST) and it got rejected. It happens and as such is not a big deal. But the following is imho rather embarrassing.
Not only was this news piece accepted and posted on Slashdot later as someone elses submission, it was actually accepted & posted twice (becoming yet another infamous Slashdot dupe). And in this case the poster of the dupe was no other than Timothy, who rejected my submission.
It seems he initially didn't think this particular news was important and rejected my submission. I knew it was an important bit of news to anyone who follows physics and nuclear stuff, a category which many slashdotters fall into. Potentially and on the long run this could be important news to everyone on the planet who uses electricity.
Anyway, the next day Timothy seems to have decided that a less comprehensive and informative submission on the same subject is worth posting, and as icing on the cake, he does it without even bothering to check the site's own news from yesterday (the already posted story was actually still on the frontpage!) thus creating a dupe story.
Only on Slashdot do you find editors who don't even read their own site's frontpage when posting a news story (to avoid dupes), nor remember that they rejected the very same story yesterday. We're all human and mistakes happen. And I'm sure the editors get swamped by a huge number of submissions, which probably aren't exactly a joy to wade through trying to pick the worthy ones.
However, these sort of things seem to happen a bit more often than they could or should. Perhaps the editors could put a little more time and effort into the process, since many of the previous, similar mistakes seem rather easily avoided (at least to a
Ps. Here's my original Slashdot submission about this story just for reference (with a forgotten BBC link added):
After 18 months of wrangling over the construction site of the ITER (International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor) the participants (China, EU, Japan, Russia, South Korea and USA) finally agreed upon Cadarache in France over Rokkasho-Mura in Japan. Japan withdrew its bid after getting a concessions package deal. The 10 billion ($12bn) project will be the 2nd most expensive joint scientific project after the ISS and hopefully a gateway to a commercial fusion reactor prototype. Construction should begin this year and be completed in 2015.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure of the former" - Albert Einstein
The headline is just plain wrong. Nuclear fusion is going on all the time in laboratories around the world.
A H-bomb, not an H-bomb. "Haich" starts with a consonant when it is the first letter of an abbreviation. Haich-tee-em-el and pee-'aich-pee .....
There have been dozens of fusion reactors, if not more over the last few decades, some of them in operation now. The NYT has posted an expanded article that corrects the gaffe. Some names you can google for more info: TFTR NSTX JET C-Mod DIII-D
Sorry for the interjection of some actual history from the real world, however... Eisenhower, on his deathbed, told Nixon that they hadn't been fair to de Gaulle during the war. Unlike Winston Churchill, FDR and Ike didn't trust de Gaulle. Instead, they were busy speaking to the leader of the Vichy regime, marshall Petain, who was Hitler's puppet. Which got them nowhere and prolonged the war. So not only did the U.S. arrive late to the war, they then kissed Hitler's ass by recognizing as legitimate leader of France, a national traitor.
..... it's having to wade through endless comments about dupes. IMHO such complaints are offtopic.
I always metamod any moderating-down of a "dupe" whinge as fair. Next time I get mod points, if I see a duplicate story, I will open it and I will blow the lot modding whinges about duplicates offtopic.
If you're really that bothered, download the Slash source code; start your own news and discussion forum; and police it however you like, even down to machine-gunning anyone who even thinks about posting a duplicate story. But as long as you're a guest in someone else's house, you either abide by their rules or get out.
Otherwise, for pete's sake, just ignore the fact that it's a dupe.
Je fume. Tu fumes. Nous fûmes!
Yes, because as we all know, "various Democratic Senators and Congressmen could" have a large say in Japan, Britain, Canada, France (et al).
Nice try at "big spending liberals are just wasting $ *again*" spin.
Who would have thought Carl Rove posts on Slashdot and with such a low user ID?
(Sorry, still bitter about that "race".)
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"they'll sell it to any demented dictator who'll let them keep their 35-hour weeks, their 2-hour lunches, their 6-weeks of vacations, their overpriced wine, and their smelly cheese"
Shit, for that I'd help any demented dictator build a giant "laser" on the moon. Obviously not very quickly, but that sounds a lot better than the deal I have going right now where I DIDN'T sell anything to a demented dictator.
This time, we're talking about dropping the bomb. About time I say.
Anyone who takes slashdot seriously is a fool. It's a blog based on childish IRC handles and IRC culture that has had way too much influence and been given extreme attention for no good reason.
Is it just me, or is anybody else concerned about the fact that France is simultaneously trying to all but outlaw Islam, and building a fusion reactor?
We missed you in the original thread, Jim.
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I understand your frustration, but I'm going to bet the article was rejected simply because somebody posted it even earlier than you. I get rejected a lot for that reason. I don't think it's personal -- it's just that, with so many people, it's likely that someone already beat us to the punch.
What would help is if there was some sort of feedback as to why it was rejected. But, I'm sure this horse has been beaten, resurrected, and beaten again.
There is a law with communciation: no communication is always seen as negative. I'm betting it isn't negative, although it seems that way.
They'll just surrender as soon as they see the first problem.
Scooby dooby dupe. It's still on the screen. It seems the editors are just bored.
Yours didn't have a NY Times link. And yours wasn't at all misleading and sensationalist, either. To spice things up, maybe add a condescending sentence at the end, like so:
The world's first fusion reactor is soon to be completed in France. Nuclear Fusion is what powers the sun and hydrogen bombs. w00t!
And last, but not least, submit it under the wrong category, like say, Star Wars.
Hopefully France will have better luck than Otto Octavious did :)
Viva le necleration ?
ARTHUR: Halt! Hallo! Hallo!
GUARD: 'Allo! Who is zis?
ARTHUR: It is King Arthur, and these are the Knights of the Round Table. Who's castle is this?
GUARD: This is the castle of my master, Guy de Loimbard!
ARTHUR: Go and tell your master that we have been charged by God with a sacred quest. If he will give us food and shelter for the night he can join us in our quest for the Fusion Reactor.
GUARD: Well, I'll ask him, but I don't think he'll be very keen... Uh, he's already got one, you see?
ARTHUR: What?
GALAHAD: He says they've already got one!
ARTHUR: Are you sure he's got one?
GUARD: Oh, yes, it's very nice-a (I told him we already got one)
There is _no_ evidence that Bussard _ever_ tried to use this for anything not related to making Fusion happen.
Not counting the stars and the sun, the first site of Fusion on earth was the Bikini atoll, n'est pas? Zut alors, or at least what's left of Bikini... Not much, which is why they named a tiny swimsuit after it. Controlled fusion - I'll give you that.
I have worked with the French. (While working for a U.S. military contractor.) Those Frenchies I worked with were some the best coders, hardest workers, and most consciencious people I hav ever met. If anyone can pull this off without destroying the planet it is the French. Us Americans would kepp cutting corners until the whole project failed, or went way,way over budget, or blew up the planet. They might not be the greatest fighters, but damn, they know how to make technology work. Way to go France!!!
This is NOT a paid political endorsement of the French, just an Anonymous Coward's observations.
It is called Scoop and you can see it at (among other places) SciScoop.com. Everyone gets to vote on stories, not just the moderators. I post several articles a week myself.
isn't this like Scientology?
"We are not tolerant people. We prefer drastically effective solutions"
I used to submit what I considered useful stuff all the time that got rejected. I never took it personally but I eventually got tired of typing up a good story only to see it hit the reject pile, so I stopped submitting anything. I guess that helps what they consider to be a signal to noise ratio, but I have to wonder how many good writeups were rejected so they could post dups, or advertise for companies as "news".
I guess what I'm saying is you are not alone, and the only thing you can really do about it is start your own site if you're so inclined, or put up with the BS here.
Here in the UK we are already pioneering it, the fusion reactors (tokamaks) for both russia and the UK are in test in the south of England, bit slow on the uptake aren't we jaques?
I read and article about this that says Greenpeace is apposed to the project. They have really lost there way. All they have to do is hear the word nuclear and there opposed to it. Don't they realize that a key element of any environmental plan is to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels. Ask the Greenpeace people if they are willing to live with candles for lighting or walk to work. They such a bunch of hypocrites.
Also, none of the founders of Scientology had the decency to come out later and try to stop it.
Seastead this.
...to mention that Nuclear Reactors may be an exciting new market for Linux to get into as Windows is rubbish.
Justin.
You're only jealous cos the little penguins are talking to me.
During the time I worked on this legislation with Bussard he did tell me about some of Inesco's luxurious accommodations provided by Bob Guccione's support of that fusion company. But that was privately funded and more attributable to Guccione's style than any supposed addiction to luxury suffered by Bussard. Perhaps some folks heard about some of this and mistook it for behavior during the government program.
Seastead this.
Y'know, keeping the English-speaking tech geeks of the world amused/informed all day long is a big job, and the people making it happen behind the scenes are human. I can imagine the nightshift guy, bleary-eyed, handing off the baton to the early shift guy, bleary-eyed, both in need of more caffeine or sleep. They all work really hard to serve us, most of whom don't pay to read this content.
Once in a while, they slip up. The other 364 days of the year, their work is seamless. So instead of giving them a hard time for the once in a blue moon that they make a mistake or dupe an article, why don't we try, for once, to congratulate them for the excellent work they do, and try to be understanding when the human factor kicks in once in a while.
Do what you can, with what you have, where you are.
Since France is sure to be overthrown by the likes of Haiti or Jamaica the United States should persue our own fusion reactor.
Two of the three founders of the Tokamak program have come out against the Tokamak and one of the founders circulated a letter to all of the plasma physics labs as well as to the relevant Congressmen, stating categorically that the Tokamak program was never real -- it was just a vehicle for raising funding so that other more hopeful ideas could be tried.
I scanned the original letter and presented a link to it as an aspect of the fusion power article. This is primary source material -- not original research -- from one of the foremost authorities, indeed one of the fathers of the US fusion energy program. The nothing-better-to-do-with-their-times censored it and quite honestly I just don't have the time, energy or patience to bother with a reversion war with the anonymous bottom feeders.
Seastead this.
You knew it'd be coming, though, didn't you? I mean, "France" did appear in the original story.
Anyone who claims one party or the other has a monopoly on pork barrel spending loses all credibility, period. (The world ain't black and white, but all they've got is rods to see it by.)
"Fundamentalism" isn't about divine morality. It's about human authority.
It really is AN H-BOMB. The letter H is spelled Aitch not Haich. We also say "an historic event" not "a historic event".
And the first chance was NEVER. They didn't have WMD and the administration knew it.
The same people who are running the Bush administration today sat back and watched the Kurds being gassed during the Bush I regime and didn't bat an eyelid. Why would they? They were the same people who sold those chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein during the Reagan administration.
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I'm still waiting for the promised "creatures of great size" that we were promised from fission power! Where's the dinosaurs? The giant ants? The huge scorpions? The 60' lady? The radioactive spiders that will give us super powers?
They need to drop fusion until they can give us what we were promised!! Vote NO to fusion until we are all glowing green, at the least!!! No more night lights for me!!!!!!!
Who would win this election: Andrew Weiner vs Andrew Weiner's weiner.
when are we going to nuke France?
One helium nuclei fusion in france will definitely start a storm in Alaska. Burn Earthy, burn !
As a graduate student in plasma and fusion engineering, I guess I'll have to be the one to tell everyone that nuclear fusion has been happening on Earth for as long as Earth has existed, likely. Numerous natural processes that occur on Earth produce measurable (but miniscule) fusion energy.
Fusion has been occurring under the (more or less) control of experimenters in a laboratory setting since at least the mid 1950's (c.f. the two devices that are producing some fusion energy in my lab in the United States right now; not net energy, of course, but deuterium and energy go in, then less energy comes out.) In addition to being a duplicate, this article has a title that is a lie.
Conversely, ITER ought to be the first magnetic confinement fusion (MCF) device to achieve energy break-even. It is likely that it will not be the first fusion device to do so on account of National Ignition Facility (NIF) and possibly other inertial confinement devices (preemptively, I'll ask that you not post about how terrible NIF is unless you know what you're talking about; it'll save time for both of us.)
Sinecrely,
Violently Angry Plasma Physicist
C'mon, this from the nice people who brought us Le Car? So it does work, then the Germans will march in and take it....
I wish I kew who you were, to "friend" you.
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