Why didn't they just take a long break, write all the episodes for the first two seasons, and then just start filming directly in the third season? Then they could release the other episodes later as prequels, or, hey, not at all.
No, it's not better than nothing. What Trek needs more than anything else is a mercy killing - or at least a vacation for a few years. That would let the fans forget about all the bad stuff and reminisce about all the good stuff, while the movers and shakers worked in the background to figure out how either to take the whole idea in a fresh direction or just leave it in peace.
Are you seriously arguing that a poor show should be allowed to remain on the air just so that its janitors can remain employed? That's so ludicrous I can't even wrap my brain around it.
Yeah, I bet any decent wedge could pop those things right off. I'm thinking of a motorcycle stunt ramp. Just let those stinking Cavefish try to follow me!
I think you'll find that Lawrence Waterhouse was really the father of modern computing. I'm surprised his grandson Randy hasn't popped up here to set you guys straight.
Shuzan rolled out his robot and said, "If you call this a robot, you oppose its reality. If you do not call it a robot, you ignore the fact. Now what do you wish to call this?"
Right now I'm playing a fighter in a play-by-email game my friend is DMing. He picked up the old 1986 rules and a couple of modules online and we've been using those. The players are letting the DM handle all the information like combat rolls, HP and experience. We just know our own stats so we can role-play, which we work hard at. We don't even need our own copies of the rules.
Anyway, it's a heck of a lot of fun just role-playing and not concerning ourselves much with the actual rules. The DM is trying to follow the rules to the letter (he even rolled our stats on a straight 3d6, no mulligans or rearrangement), but the players just do what makes sense for the characters.
Knowledge is relative. With all your great scientific knowledge, If you were dropped naked into the middle of the Amazon rain forest, you'd probably die of poison or starvation inside a week. All the while those stupid savages who worship their sun gods have been surviving there for generations just fine.
Well, possibly, but those native people don't survive there because of their belief. They survive there because of hundreds of years of trial-and-error, and experimentation, discarding what doesn't work and keeping what does - in other words, science, albeit primitive and inefficient science. Sure, they have to enshrine a lot of it in religious taboo and tradition to make sure it's not lost, but the knowledge didn't come from the religion. It's the other way around.
Don't adopt or reject a belief just because someone you admire did. That's what leads to everything that's wrong with religion. I don't believe in calculus just because Newton did. I believe in it because I can prove it to myself that it is true. I don't believe in gods because I can't prove to myself that they are real, not because Dr. So-and-So doesn't believe in gods.
Wasn't there a guy here who lost his daughter to some form of SIDS and was imploring the geek community to help him come up with a cheap biomonitor so tons of SIDS data could be collected and the syndrome stopped? What happened with that?
Flame away, but is it possible, just possible mind you, that too many people were watching these shows on TiVo or like systems and not watching the commercials and that the advertisers noticed a decrease in profits for their products causing them to complain or something which in turn led to the stations pulling them?
So? What bearing does this have on your childhood? Is it that you can't have pictures and figures around your desk now without people telling you how crappy the movies are? Can't you simply agree with them and say "Yeah, but I really enjoy the old ones, and still do."
Yes, I realize I'm never getting a response to this.
Oh, man, am I tired of this. How in HELL does a movie made as an adult have any impact on your childhood, or even things you loved as a child? Do you seriously enjoy the original movies LESS because of the new ones? Why?
Will someone, once and for all, tell me what difference it makes whether something is called a planet or not?
Classifications can be such a pain. You'll always have someone arguing about those members at the border between classes. What are important are an object's characteristics not its name. Just saying the word "planet" wouldn't tell me anything, I'd still need to know its vital statistics. So why not call it a planet or a belt object or an invisible pink unicorn, for all the good it does, and then file all the USEFUL information we can about it.
It's like the koan about what to call a short staff. If you call it a short staff, you deny the truth that it is also a piece of firewood, a lever, a weapon, a paperweight, or any number of other things. If you don't call it a short staff, you ignore the fact that it IS a short staff.
Sure, but when a car or plane crashes it doesn't take out 20,000 or even 100 other people. When an asteroid hits it could take out 1,000,000 people before it even hits the ground.
Whenever I hear statistics like this, I imagine going up to every person and rolling a set (or two or three sets) of percentile dice, a la D&D. If I roll a one for that person on one set, they'll die in a car crash. If I roll a 1 for a person on two sets, they'll die in a plane crash. If I roll a 1 for a person on three sets they'll die in an impact. But if the last one happens I can put my dice in my bag and fly 10,000 miles away, because rolling for anyone else in that area has become moot.
I'm glad you're honest about the fact that you're worried about your own hide, here. The concern about an impact has to do with the whole species. War, famine, and pestilence might kill a bunch of us, might even kill you, but the rest will continue on. An impact would be different. An impact that takes out someone on the other side of the planet still has a very good chance of taking you out too. But that's not even my concern, and shouldn't be yours. You should be thinking about the entire species here, not your own sorry ass. Nuclear war, sure. Military super-bugs, sure. Killer-GM foods, why not? But the only thing we know for sure can take out and has taken out entire species, even stupendously badass ones, is an impactor. We KNOW this. It's not science fiction, starring Bruce Willis and Morgan Freeman. It's a thing that happens, has happened, and will happen.
Look, as I'm sure others will have pointed out already, there's no reason we can't deal with this threat and have as much effect on the other problems - which, by the way, have always been around, have been worse in the past, and have yet to slow our population growth by any measurable amount.
Why would you assume that the Zeroth Law wouldn't show up? What if the reason for the rampage we see in the trailer is because the robots are defending humanity by killing and disobeying a bunch of humans?
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Why didn't they just take a long break, write all the episodes for the first two seasons, and then just start filming directly in the third season? Then they could release the other episodes later as prequels, or, hey, not at all.
No, it's not better than nothing. What Trek needs more than anything else is a mercy killing - or at least a vacation for a few years. That would let the fans forget about all the bad stuff and reminisce about all the good stuff, while the movers and shakers worked in the background to figure out how either to take the whole idea in a fresh direction or just leave it in peace.
Are you seriously arguing that a poor show should be allowed to remain on the air just so that its janitors can remain employed? That's so ludicrous I can't even wrap my brain around it.
Yeah, I bet any decent wedge could pop those things right off. I'm thinking of a motorcycle stunt ramp. Just let those stinking Cavefish try to follow me!
I think you'll find that Lawrence Waterhouse was really the father of modern computing. I'm surprised his grandson Randy hasn't popped up here to set you guys straight.
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What I can't figure out is why they'd go to all the trouble of figuring out what I wrote, just to mod me as a troll.
Unless they speak Quenya....
Hira cuilë!
Goonies for Nintendo was bad, but Goonies for the C64 was a great problem solving game.
Shuzan rolled out his robot and said, "If you call this a robot, you oppose its reality. If you do not call it a robot, you ignore the fact. Now what do you wish to call this?"
Right now I'm playing a fighter in a play-by-email game my friend is DMing. He picked up the old 1986 rules and a couple of modules online and we've been using those. The players are letting the DM handle all the information like combat rolls, HP and experience. We just know our own stats so we can role-play, which we work hard at. We don't even need our own copies of the rules.
Anyway, it's a heck of a lot of fun just role-playing and not concerning ourselves much with the actual rules. The DM is trying to follow the rules to the letter (he even rolled our stats on a straight 3d6, no mulligans or rearrangement), but the players just do what makes sense for the characters.
Knowledge is relative. With all your great scientific knowledge, If you were dropped naked into the middle of the Amazon rain forest, you'd probably die of poison or starvation inside a week. All the while those stupid savages who worship their sun gods have been surviving there for generations just fine.
Well, possibly, but those native people don't survive there because of their belief. They survive there because of hundreds of years of trial-and-error, and experimentation, discarding what doesn't work and keeping what does - in other words, science, albeit primitive and inefficient science. Sure, they have to enshrine a lot of it in religious taboo and tradition to make sure it's not lost, but the knowledge didn't come from the religion. It's the other way around.
Don't adopt or reject a belief just because someone you admire did. That's what leads to everything that's wrong with religion. I don't believe in calculus just because Newton did. I believe in it because I can prove it to myself that it is true. I don't believe in gods because I can't prove to myself that they are real, not because Dr. So-and-So doesn't believe in gods.
Wasn't there a guy here who lost his daughter to some form of SIDS and was imploring the geek community to help him come up with a cheap biomonitor so tons of SIDS data could be collected and the syndrome stopped? What happened with that?
I doubt anyone here would even want to watch it.
I wonder who's going to play Cortana.
Flame away, but is it possible, just possible mind you, that too many people were watching these shows on TiVo or like systems and not watching the commercials and that the advertisers noticed a decrease in profits for their products causing them to complain or something which in turn led to the stations pulling them?
So? What bearing does this have on your childhood? Is it that you can't have pictures and figures around your desk now without people telling you how crappy the movies are? Can't you simply agree with them and say "Yeah, but I really enjoy the old ones, and still do."
Yes, I realize I'm never getting a response to this.
Yeah, the LOTR cast commentaries are good, except when they let Elijah out of his box to say something.
Oh, man, am I tired of this. How in HELL does a movie made as an adult have any impact on your childhood, or even things you loved as a child? Do you seriously enjoy the original movies LESS because of the new ones? Why?
Will someone, once and for all, tell me what difference it makes whether something is called a planet or not?
Classifications can be such a pain. You'll always have someone arguing about those members at the border between classes. What are important are an object's characteristics not its name. Just saying the word "planet" wouldn't tell me anything, I'd still need to know its vital statistics. So why not call it a planet or a belt object or an invisible pink unicorn, for all the good it does, and then file all the USEFUL information we can about it.
It's like the koan about what to call a short staff. If you call it a short staff, you deny the truth that it is also a piece of firewood, a lever, a weapon, a paperweight, or any number of other things. If you don't call it a short staff, you ignore the fact that it IS a short staff.
Dat's da joke
Yeah, but they'd only be able to walk tightropes. How useful is that?
Sure, but when a car or plane crashes it doesn't take out 20,000 or even 100 other people. When an asteroid hits it could take out 1,000,000 people before it even hits the ground.
Whenever I hear statistics like this, I imagine going up to every person and rolling a set (or two or three sets) of percentile dice, a la D&D. If I roll a one for that person on one set, they'll die in a car crash. If I roll a 1 for a person on two sets, they'll die in a plane crash. If I roll a 1 for a person on three sets they'll die in an impact. But if the last one happens I can put my dice in my bag and fly 10,000 miles away, because rolling for anyone else in that area has become moot.
I'm glad you're honest about the fact that you're worried about your own hide, here. The concern about an impact has to do with the whole species. War, famine, and pestilence might kill a bunch of us, might even kill you, but the rest will continue on. An impact would be different. An impact that takes out someone on the other side of the planet still has a very good chance of taking you out too. But that's not even my concern, and shouldn't be yours. You should be thinking about the entire species here, not your own sorry ass. Nuclear war, sure. Military super-bugs, sure. Killer-GM foods, why not? But the only thing we know for sure can take out and has taken out entire species, even stupendously badass ones, is an impactor. We KNOW this. It's not science fiction, starring Bruce Willis and Morgan Freeman. It's a thing that happens, has happened, and will happen.
Look, as I'm sure others will have pointed out already, there's no reason we can't deal with this threat and have as much effect on the other problems - which, by the way, have always been around, have been worse in the past, and have yet to slow our population growth by any measurable amount.
Are you sure? I could have sworn they were:
1: Serve the public trust.
2: Protect the innocent.
3: Uphold the law.
There might be a "Zeroth Law," too, but it's probably not important....
Why would you assume that the Zeroth Law wouldn't show up? What if the reason for the rampage we see in the trailer is because the robots are defending humanity by killing and disobeying a bunch of humans?