I saw that and flipped- I thought you meant Carmel, Indiana. I can definately relate to the 'grossmans' that run the schools thru their generous 'wealth' and donations.....
When they call you on the phone state at first that there is a 150$ per minute consultation fee for communications and (check your wiretap laws) you are going to send him a bill:)
Keep all your records and if you have to take up a civil action in court asking for relief.
First that 'old-boy's club' you mock with your third choice may be the one that gets you places in the future. Don't burn that connection unless you absolutely have to....
I am an engineer tho I do not work on the shuttle;) I just work with 1000 gallon containers of explosive solvent and try to do chemical reactions in them, safely. You are absolutely right- those plots of the shuttle damage were horribly done. The data presented was horribly wrong. And the ultimate price for a mistake was paid, not by the people that made the mistake, but by the people they were sworn to protect- in some form or another But when you come right down to it... you have a mentality of conjecture that surrounds the failures. Someone plotted the information wrong the first time and THAT BECAME THE PARADIGM as to how to present the information. It's easy to look back and stick the o-ring into a glass of cold water and notice it's not deforming properly, but how many people actually would DIP a segment of plastic into their iced tea while taking a break? None. Period. You'll also note that the senator did NOT drink from his glass afterwards
Experiments cost money. I hate to say it. And when you are an overworked (read 7 til 730 and i'm talking more than 12 hours here) you get to overlook some details now and then. In the 60's it was unlimited funding- a whole crop of enigineers coming and learning it all from the beginning. In the 90's it was 'faster, cheaper, better'. And thats what you get- risk benefit analysis. No room for an engineers 'gut' instict- there isn't a dollar sign and the experiments haven't been performed... so shut up and show us the data (I actually was told that the other day, heh, so I did it and proved my point, but it took me a week...) It's so very easy to start now and look backwards. But sitting there you don't have the benefit of what would happen. Hell, looking at the tapes of the challenger launch you can see that huge first puff of black smoke come out of the SRB. In that instant an abort should have been made... but... no one saw it until much much later. Accidents, whether thru misconjecture, not enough information, or just plain 'newness'are the worst type to have to live with. Don't hold everyone there responsible for a few shortsighted business decisions that seemed 'safe.
Yup, I've seen a lockup that a service contract was around 150K - I believe we turned it down at that point and decided to take out chances. Of course SUN has posted some pretty pathetic results lately, but I guess that's to be expected- how do you justify 150K for the 'ability' to upgrade at a later date should said update be released? It's ufnny that everyone thinks version 5 was easy to upgrade- I think I had to reformat 4 or 5 times to get rid of it long enough to do an update to 6... and 6 didn't update to 7 (broke everything).... and 7 didn't upgrade to 8, and a clean install of 8 didn't work unless I installed Xwindows (as I wanted to just use it as a webserver/dmz). Of course, that could just be my luck with upgrades.
A few years ago there were a few rants because Linux (redhat) wasn't secure out of the box. It shipped with a few packages that had a few exploits- yet the fault fell on the user for not updating their package. My grandmother hasn't updated anything on her computer- she's 81 and more concerned with knitting and talking to her grandchildren. I just walked her thru an update. Can you imagine if I had to tell her how to do that on linux ?? (without a subscription mind you) - Yeah grandma, type wget -?...
Windows Update did- and worked- and fixed it. But it's easier to bash MS for the people whom didn't patch their systems in a timely manner than to target the blame where it ought to be. In the past 3 years, since my Grandmother got her computer, how many new Redhat versions have rolled out? How many of those versions would seamlessly install over the other one? I believe the answer is 3 versions and none, Bob. Lay off the MS bashing- most of my software I have to use is closed source and several $K per seat- I'm not going to stop using MS until.... well, never. If they move to a different system then I move. I'm tied to the company that writes the code I need to do my job, as are many people in the engineering fields. Leverage one, move the other.
I am an introvert. Consistently labeled as such and branded, situations constantly force me to take up residence in the corner of the room nearest the exit. But put me in a crowd of strangers and you'll have a bigger extrovert than a frat boy at a sorority convention. Why? Because introverts fear 'repeat' business;) Nah, I'll buy the book to read it but... I'm not gonna believe for a second its hardwired. I know why I stay away- but in a crowd it doesn't bother me.
True story- Problem with servers discovered. Problem tested, shown reproduceable, reported to school IT department (CS really). Result: Academic probation followed up by academic dismissal for hacking. Do NOT turn the code in, simply anon remail it if you have to.
You ask about formats turning me on or off towards buying- well, here ya go. Format should not have ANY effect on the desire to purchase, but it WILL have an effect on that 'after the sale' feeling, which will probably lead to more purchases (if you are lucky) Why? Because if I see some format being offered as a proprietary DRM format, I'm not gonna buy it. If I see it at 128 kbps, I'm not going to buy it. If I see it at 320 kbps, or 100% VBR then I'm likely to consider it..... and if the sound quality is good on my stereo and it has all the appropriate tags embedded for volume leveling and lyrics.... I'll even like it. To the note about subscriptions, I'll never do a subscription for the very reason that it's a royal pain in the ass to cancel.... burned once, forever shy.
ABC News posted several emails about why the shuttle was doomed- apparently the engineers didn't follow the proper reporting procedure to send up a 'red flare' and stop it. I had all the links nicely typed into a story, but it was rejected. Regardless, pictures were asked for and management squashed it for failing to follow procedure. And now a shuttle is dead. TPP reports, anyone?
Ouch. 30% off topic and 40% troll? Are you moderators a bit sensitive about yourselves down under? Don't worry, with all the spam ads that I've been getting lately, I'll be glad to forward you on some that advertise a 'great package' in little to no time....
google search for fravia and "+orc". Lots of indepth articles at reverse engineering, how compilers work, etc. Much more practical and interesting, not to mention loads of indepth information that, honestly, surpass what's present in these articles.
Not for the Faint of Heart. It's nice to see this coming back, but all of this was discussed ad naseum ~1996ish.
I've just completed wiring my den for ethernet/phone/cable/fibre channel. Exciting. But the real fun occurred when I wished to upgrade my bathroom drain to a little 'pop plug' instead of the 'twist plug'. So I removed it, cranked on the pipe, only to find out the pipe sheared off the base... at which point I fished it out, cleaned it up, and then the trap cracked.... and the water leaked out.... so I removed that then found out that the cast iron pipe was corroded away.... - entire time taken- 4 days for a 30 minute 'valve' replacement.:)
Oh I agree. I'm not so sure living in a fascist state would be so bad, as they couldn't easily touch what I dream, and I'd be alive and hope for change. Which is more than John Doug will ever get the opportunity for. My main problem is people clammering to have them removed since it prevents them from 'lying' about their speed. Justice is truth. Without it there can be nothing good. If the black box demonstrated he had been traveling at 98 mph for an extended period (say 3 minutes) And hadn't braked once (given he was on a rural road with stoplights every block) it was pretty obvious as to his state of mind. but.... they can also prove innocence, as eyewitnesses have said cars were traveling 50% over the speed limit when indeed they werent, thus reckless is dropped from an accident and it is no longer homicide but a sad accident In all, this can only help protect the innocent and prosecute the guilty- and the only way to get the information is to break the law or be involved in an accident, which currently is acceptable. If they introduced audits, well, all bets are off;)
The only problem I see with shooting at lower resolution is the inevitable "GOD! I wish I had taken that photo higher- it's awesome!". You know, that one in a million shot.... My trip to Europe consumed around 100 rolls of film. The last one was 50 rolls in 10 days. So yeah.... burning film is a bit of a cost, but I have huge prints to thank for it (And a gf that really hates roman ruins now;P)
i remember reading a case where the 'eye witnesses' were testifying a vehicle was traveling at 90 mph just before impact. It was, in fact, traveling at 60 mph as recorded by the box, thus declaring the accident 'an accident' and not a malicious or irresponsible driving act. As with any technology it is not inherently 'good' or 'evil'... thats for the lawyers to decide.
It's actually a bit higher on cost- rolls come in or 4 packs, so say you'll buy all 36 exposure rolls for 10$ (not unreasable, but not cheapest route either). That works out to be roughly $0.10 (what you got) worth of film. Development is actually 3x that cost since it's 3 rolls, so that cost is $0.0625, so about $0.16 per photograph Now your CF 256mb has a rebate on it- they are 80$ a piece. And you can only get 256 images from a 3megapixel camera (and frankly anything lower will suck for image quality). So that is $.313 for each photo. For arguments sake, you get 10 buddies together and they all spend the 85$ to get the cards with rebates for 56$, thats now $0.21 per image. Yep, you can reclaim the images you don't like- lets make sure you know you will never want that photo... One aspect about digital that you talk about but fail to understand (and many people do, I'm not singling you out) is that things *can* go wrong with *any* image, digital or AgX. Basically you can corrupt data bits on the card, can have the camera shut off too fast, or worst- accidently format the wrong card. Same thing with AgX- can drop the film, drive over it (done that). Drop it into water (been there).
And when it comes down to the final comparison, image quality.. well... you just can't beat AgX until you hit the digital SLR realm, in which case (and not even then) you come close.... to making an 11x14. I've got some 20x30's that hang in my room from my Europe trip which show exceptional detail, even down to the text engraved upon the wall. You can't get that from a digital point-and-shoot camera. But it's no matter to try. As for the 'bulky' film, well, it's about 3x bigger than the cartridge but much easier to handle and has alot less theft-interest;)
Lets face it.... 1.5 tons @ 98 mph is an extremely effective demolition tool. I speak tongue-in-cheek because my best friend and his gf were killed by a driver moving at 90 mph thru a red light....by a truck vs a small compact car. If it helps put the bastards away for life for murder, which is what I felt it was... then all the better. I'll give up that little bit of safety so that no one else will ever have to experience that phone call.
I completed (3 years ago) a trip to Europe where I backpacked and carried an SLR AgX camera (silver halide, aka Film). I shot approximately 100 rolls of film. Some were over,under, normal exposures (to capture dynamic range in chrome), alot were throw away shots. But the great thing about editing is I've got them all stored in the original format.... and I can go back and look thru them for images that strike my fancy now that didn't otherwise before. After all, the incremental cost of a roll of film is extremely small.... same with digital (Assuming, of course, you own the appropriate media). Now, I didn't worry about 9/11 because it hadn't happened- all of my film was stored in plastic baggies that literally went in my knapsack wherever I went- raw, unshot film stayed in my backpack. My camera was NEVER out of my reach at any given point. I met people that worked for a living doing this that had had several )3) digital cameras stolen. Also if you get film processed, you can always ship it back. A single SLR battery will get you 100 rolls, less if you flash. It'll also cost you about as much as your low end digital camera (well, relatively high end but not yet prosumer SLR quality) to go that route. Glass alone will cost 300$
What I am trying to say, in essence, is that the technology may NOT be there yet. You can hit cybercafes if you are close by to get them to burn you CDs, but you'd better have your own MIA (media interface adapter) and a CD of the drivers. And even then they may not let you touch the comps. I ran into a few places that had macs as their primary computer (who'd thunk that!).... burning CDs is a luxury that youd probably not get. Best bet, which is very unfortunate, get a laptop that can burn CDs for you to back up from. Get a few power adapters for the various voltages.... and possibly a solar power charger for your backpack top (can stick it out the window on the train). BUy several backup sticks/memory cards- they will break/get stolen. Worse of all.... be prepared to lose everything if your backpack gets stolen.
You could try to do a mail drop now and then, but I lost about 50% of what I sent home, so... good luck:)
I tried searching for it but never got anywhere... a google search turned it up but was inactive. I can usually find anything on the net... but searching slashdot was downright impossible.
Slashdot Mirror
I saw that and flipped- I thought you meant Carmel, Indiana. I can definately relate to the 'grossmans' that run the schools thru their generous 'wealth' and donations.....
:)
When they call you on the phone state at first that there is a 150$ per minute consultation fee for communications and (check your wiretap laws) you are going to send him a bill
Keep all your records and if you have to take up a civil action in court asking for relief.
First that 'old-boy's club' you mock with your third choice may be the one that gets you places in the future. Don't burn that connection unless you absolutely have to....
I am an engineer tho I do not work on the shuttle ;) I just work with 1000 gallon containers of explosive solvent and try to do chemical reactions in them, safely.
You are absolutely right- those plots of the shuttle damage were horribly done. The data presented was horribly wrong. And the ultimate price for a mistake was paid, not by the people that made the mistake, but by the people they were sworn to protect- in some form or another
But when you come right down to it... you have a mentality of conjecture that surrounds the failures. Someone plotted the information wrong the first time and THAT BECAME THE PARADIGM as to how to present the information. It's easy to look back and stick the o-ring into a glass of cold water and notice it's not deforming properly, but how many people actually would DIP a segment of plastic into their iced tea while taking a break? None. Period. You'll also note that the senator did NOT drink from his glass afterwards
Experiments cost money. I hate to say it. And when you are an overworked (read 7 til 730 and i'm talking more than 12 hours here) you get to overlook some details now and then. In the 60's it was unlimited funding- a whole crop of enigineers coming and learning it all from the beginning. In the 90's it was 'faster, cheaper, better'. And thats what you get- risk benefit analysis. No room for an engineers 'gut' instict- there isn't a dollar sign and the experiments haven't been performed... so shut up and show us the data (I actually was told that the other day, heh, so I did it and proved my point, but it took me a week...)
It's so very easy to start now and look backwards. But sitting there you don't have the benefit of what would happen. Hell, looking at the tapes of the challenger launch you can see that huge first puff of black smoke come out of the SRB. In that instant an abort should have been made... but... no one saw it until much much later.
Accidents, whether thru misconjecture, not enough information, or just plain 'newness'are the worst type to have to live with. Don't hold everyone there responsible for a few shortsighted business decisions that seemed 'safe.
They use organic polymers - dyes are organic. Everything fades. Your laptop will fade. OLEDs sometime do this faster, sometimes slower.
http://www.gotSheep.com :)
Yup, I collect them. And the reside quite happily out in the front yard
I just checked my redhat desktop - no flashy red thingy to click :(
Yup, I've seen a lockup that a service contract was around 150K - I believe we turned it down at that point and decided to take out chances. Of course SUN has posted some pretty pathetic results lately, but I guess that's to be expected- how do you justify 150K for the 'ability' to upgrade at a later date should said update be released?
It's ufnny that everyone thinks version 5 was easy to upgrade- I think I had to reformat 4 or 5 times to get rid of it long enough to do an update to 6... and 6 didn't update to 7 (broke everything).... and 7 didn't upgrade to 8, and a clean install of 8 didn't work unless I installed Xwindows (as I wanted to just use it as a webserver/dmz).
Of course, that could just be my luck with upgrades.
A few years ago there were a few rants because Linux (redhat) wasn't secure out of the box. It shipped with a few packages that had a few exploits- yet the fault fell on the user for not updating their package. ...
My grandmother hasn't updated anything on her computer- she's 81 and more concerned with knitting and talking to her grandchildren. I just walked her thru an update.
Can you imagine if I had to tell her how to do that on linux ?? (without a subscription mind you) - Yeah grandma, type wget -?
Windows Update did- and worked- and fixed it. But it's easier to bash MS for the people whom didn't patch their systems in a timely manner than to target the blame where it ought to be.
In the past 3 years, since my Grandmother got her computer, how many new Redhat versions have rolled out? How many of those versions would seamlessly install over the other one? I believe the answer is 3 versions and none, Bob.
Lay off the MS bashing- most of my software I have to use is closed source and several $K per seat- I'm not going to stop using MS until.... well, never. If they move to a different system then I move. I'm tied to the company that writes the code I need to do my job, as are many people in the engineering fields. Leverage one, move the other.
I am an introvert. Consistently labeled as such and branded, situations constantly force me to take up residence in the corner of the room nearest the exit. ;)
But put me in a crowd of strangers and you'll have a bigger extrovert than a frat boy at a sorority convention. Why? Because introverts fear 'repeat' business
Nah, I'll buy the book to read it but... I'm not gonna believe for a second its hardwired. I know why I stay away- but in a crowd it doesn't bother me.
True story-
Problem with servers discovered. Problem tested, shown reproduceable, reported to school IT department (CS really).
Result: Academic probation followed up by academic dismissal for hacking.
Do NOT turn the code in, simply anon remail it if you have to.
In fact, they were stopped by running into a curb. So therefore, to progress the wheel chair properly, you may stop it on the following items:
Curb
Wall
Neighbor
Steps
Pedestrian (moving target bonus)
Car (again moving target bonus)
Cat (what else are they good for- makes good doorstops)
The Micael Jackson (Just think Left, Right, Left, Right)
Etc. See, stop is highly overrated.
Curb
Curb
Curb
Thanks for saying it nice and concisely!
You ask about formats turning me on or off towards buying- well, here ya go. Format should not have ANY effect on the desire to purchase, but it WILL have an effect on that 'after the sale' feeling, which will probably lead to more purchases (if you are lucky)
Why? Because if I see some format being offered as a proprietary DRM format, I'm not gonna buy it. If I see it at 128 kbps, I'm not going to buy it. If I see it at 320 kbps, or 100% VBR then I'm likely to consider it..... and if the sound quality is good on my stereo and it has all the appropriate tags embedded for volume leveling and lyrics.... I'll even like it.
To the note about subscriptions, I'll never do a subscription for the very reason that it's a royal pain in the ass to cancel.... burned once, forever shy.
ABC News posted several emails about why the shuttle was doomed- apparently the engineers didn't follow the proper reporting procedure to send up a 'red flare' and stop it. I had all the links nicely typed into a story, but it was rejected.
Regardless, pictures were asked for and management squashed it for failing to follow procedure. And now a shuttle is dead. TPP reports, anyone?
Ouch. 30% off topic and 40% troll? Are you moderators a bit sensitive about yourselves down under? Don't worry, with all the spam ads that I've been getting lately, I'll be glad to forward you on some that advertise a 'great package' in little to no time....
- all you need to know is bigger is better, right women?
google search for fravia and "+orc". Lots of indepth articles at reverse engineering, how compilers work, etc. Much more practical and interesting, not to mention loads of indepth information that, honestly, surpass what's present in these articles.
Not for the Faint of Heart.
It's nice to see this coming back, but all of this was discussed ad naseum ~1996ish.
I've just completed wiring my den for ethernet/phone/cable/fibre channel. Exciting. But the real fun occurred when I wished to upgrade my bathroom drain to a little 'pop plug' instead of the 'twist plug'. So I removed it, cranked on the pipe, only to find out the pipe sheared off the base... at which point I fished it out, cleaned it up, and then the trap cracked.... and the water leaked out.... so I removed that then found out that the cast iron pipe was corroded away.... - entire time taken- 4 days for a 30 minute 'valve' replacement. :)
Oh I agree. I'm not so sure living in a fascist state would be so bad, as they couldn't easily touch what I dream, and I'd be alive and hope for change. Which is more than John Doug will ever get the opportunity for. ;)
My main problem is people clammering to have them removed since it prevents them from 'lying' about their speed. Justice is truth. Without it there can be nothing good. If the black box demonstrated he had been traveling at 98 mph for an extended period (say 3 minutes) And hadn't braked once (given he was on a rural road with stoplights every block) it was pretty obvious as to his state of mind. but.... they can also prove innocence, as eyewitnesses have said cars were traveling 50% over the speed limit when indeed they werent, thus reckless is dropped from an accident and it is no longer homicide but a sad accident
In all, this can only help protect the innocent and prosecute the guilty- and the only way to get the information is to break the law or be involved in an accident, which currently is acceptable. If they introduced audits, well, all bets are off
The only problem I see with shooting at lower resolution is the inevitable "GOD! I wish I had taken that photo higher- it's awesome!". You know, that one in a million shot.... ;P)
My trip to Europe consumed around 100 rolls of film. The last one was 50 rolls in 10 days. So yeah.... burning film is a bit of a cost, but I have huge prints to thank for it (And a gf that really hates roman ruins now
i remember reading a case where the 'eye witnesses' were testifying a vehicle was traveling at 90 mph just before impact. It was, in fact, traveling at 60 mph as recorded by the box, thus declaring the accident 'an accident' and not a malicious or irresponsible driving act.
As with any technology it is not inherently 'good' or 'evil'... thats for the lawyers to decide.
It's actually a bit higher on cost- rolls come in or 4 packs, so say you'll buy all 36 exposure rolls for 10$ (not unreasable, but not cheapest route either). That works out to be roughly $0.10 (what you got) worth of film. Development is actually 3x that cost since it's 3 rolls, so that cost is $0.0625, so about $0.16 per photograph ;)
Now your CF 256mb has a rebate on it- they are 80$ a piece. And you can only get 256 images from a 3megapixel camera (and frankly anything lower will suck for image quality). So that is $.313 for each photo. For arguments sake, you get 10 buddies together and they all spend the 85$ to get the cards with rebates for 56$, thats now $0.21 per image.
Yep, you can reclaim the images you don't like- lets make sure you know you will never want that photo...
One aspect about digital that you talk about but fail to understand (and many people do, I'm not singling you out) is that things *can* go wrong with *any* image, digital or AgX. Basically you can corrupt data bits on the card, can have the camera shut off too fast, or worst- accidently format the wrong card. Same thing with AgX- can drop the film, drive over it (done that). Drop it into water (been there).
And when it comes down to the final comparison, image quality.. well... you just can't beat AgX until you hit the digital SLR realm, in which case (and not even then) you come close.... to making an 11x14. I've got some 20x30's that hang in my room from my Europe trip which show exceptional detail, even down to the text engraved upon the wall. You can't get that from a digital point-and-shoot camera.
But it's no matter to try.
As for the 'bulky' film, well, it's about 3x bigger than the cartridge but much easier to handle and has alot less theft-interest
Lets face it.... 1.5 tons @ 98 mph is an extremely effective demolition tool.
I speak tongue-in-cheek because my best friend and his gf were killed by a driver moving at 90 mph thru a red light....by a truck vs a small compact car.
If it helps put the bastards away for life for murder, which is what I felt it was... then all the better. I'll give up that little bit of safety so that no one else will ever have to experience that phone call.
I completed (3 years ago) a trip to Europe where I backpacked and carried an SLR AgX camera (silver halide, aka Film). I shot approximately 100 rolls of film. Some were over,under, normal exposures (to capture dynamic range in chrome), alot were throw away shots.
.... be prepared to lose everything if your backpack gets stolen. :)
But the great thing about editing is I've got them all stored in the original format.... and I can go back and look thru them for images that strike my fancy now that didn't otherwise before. After all, the incremental cost of a roll of film is extremely small.... same with digital (Assuming, of course, you own the appropriate media).
Now, I didn't worry about 9/11 because it hadn't happened- all of my film was stored in plastic baggies that literally went in my knapsack wherever I went- raw, unshot film stayed in my backpack. My camera was NEVER out of my reach at any given point. I met people that worked for a living doing this that had had several )3) digital cameras stolen.
Also if you get film processed, you can always ship it back. A single SLR battery will get you 100 rolls, less if you flash. It'll also cost you about as much as your low end digital camera (well, relatively high end but not yet prosumer SLR quality) to go that route. Glass alone will cost 300$
What I am trying to say, in essence, is that the technology may NOT be there yet. You can hit cybercafes if you are close by to get them to burn you CDs, but you'd better have your own MIA (media interface adapter) and a CD of the drivers. And even then they may not let you touch the comps. I ran into a few places that had macs as their primary computer (who'd thunk that!).... burning CDs is a luxury that youd probably not get.
Best bet, which is very unfortunate, get a laptop that can burn CDs for you to back up from. Get a few power adapters for the various voltages.... and possibly a solar power charger for your backpack top (can stick it out the window on the train). BUy several backup sticks/memory cards- they will break/get stolen.
Worse of all
You could try to do a mail drop now and then, but I lost about 50% of what I sent home, so... good luck
Thanks!
I tried searching for it but never got anywhere... a google search turned it up but was inactive.
I can usually find anything on the net... but searching slashdot was downright impossible.