Apple has what the users want. A safe platform that has Powerful Consumer Apps (iLife, iWork - iTunes Music Store) killer HW that can run on both chips as fast as the market can make it. And a stock price\ earnings reation that the Market loves. It has a Unix that I can put on my Mom's Desktop, or even my Grandmother's Desktop.
Love it or Hate it Apple is all about taking over. I am in the Love it crowd and I cannot believe that Apple was not in the know about the chips or the roadmap. Having the Mac OS and Universal binaries able to run on on x86 chips and PPC will allow apple to run anywhere and everywhere it needs to be. It is the best Unix possible. See I am running KDE in Mac X11 side by side with OSX (with fink - Some people use DarwinPorts) and soon the Intel Chip Based Macs will be able to run linux apps concurrently. Apple the HW company will use both platforms, Bob Cringely told us this last year. I am not trying to hate on Windows it is off of my Radar, because it has no app that I NEED. but it seems to be beat or worthless. Soon everybody's favorite Unix will be able to run everywhere. the only thing missing from a second Apple Golden Age is an Office Suite (is it missing?) and buying Palm (which was the the old Newton Kit.)
The funniest thing -- It keeps me Laughing My A*s Off is that my 2 kids are running EduBuntu on the last 2 G3's in the house.
The title says it all. I make 100% of my living away from the Wintel platform, and I am surprised at how much it still sucks. I am a man and I believe in the 'throw money at it' style of problem solving, and how the market leader (dominator?) avoids fixing their OS which is the primary place to run the rest of their SW is...Hella funny.
straight out of the box it is a goat after six hours of install and patching to get the OS and office to the point where the goat won't eat every last scrap of your life ( and send all of your data to some undisclosed IP in saipeng - or wherever) It is a goat when you try to run a non MS app. ( Games aside)
I think the real question is if this goat came out tomorrow would you, could you give this to your wife, wour mother or your sister.
Don't blow sunshine up a goat's ass it is still a goat.
Yup the only thing I enjoy better than "Macs Suck" is the fact that the OS releases \Updates are usually on time and under budget. It lets the "Think Different" company fly in the face of the SOP that the other companies use i.e. Fast, bug free, and on time (pick 2). I was going through some Old Install disks and found a 7.5.3. from 1995 and on 8.1 from 97 (to put this in prespective that was also RH Linux 3.0 and NT 4) SO While I consider Apple a H/W Company those American Coders in Cupertino have been working hard as FizUCK to make an OS/Upgrade that always works never has hurt my Unit or my Data.
However I am on the fence about this upgrade. My Powerbook 500\DVD just got put on the 'unsupported' list and while it will run just fine, I am mighty happy with Ubuntu. I have been leery about feeling like a 'revenue stream'
And of course this accident of fate will make M$ the Last company to get to the 64 bit desktop.
All bitchiness aside I think I will pony up the bucks on a Mini. 130 for the OS and 150 for the iLife and iWork bundle take me more than half the way to the base model mini.
PPC Linuxes rely on Open Firmware settings: You Could a.> Power down and hold Apple + Option + 'P' + 'R' until the unit maketh the 'bong' sound thrice b.> Power down and hold Apple + Option + 'O' + 'F' and incant #reset-nvram #set-defaults #reset-all c .> Verify if the 'live' image has the same issue
It runs beautifully on my 'Pismo' G3 powerbook. One caveat I set the Airport to filter by MAC address instead of WEP key so that I am in on the same HW however I choose to boot.
Yup seen it before the simple answer is to boot to nine and burn it using the built in burner in nine. I Used toast, Then it worked fine. I am on the 'live' - iso, and you just hold C on boot. I may install it permanantly, but I really enjoy having OS X as the one and only OS
The state of linux on laptops is chunks better than it was when I started this odyssey. There are a lot less vendors and the hardware is waaay more advanced. Am I doing myself a favor begging for drivers from nvidia and ati? Am I doing myself a favor by buying a pawn shop special or eBay box. Linux is only free if you de-value your time.
OTOH, the PPC hw is fast reliable and has all the HW interfaces. A reasonably equipped G4 and 512+ MB RAM is what 1100 - 1500 and the G3 500 that I use (and *more* than meets my needs) and all other G3s on eBay are all less than $600. If the same HW runs the same OS and the same apps, then does it really matter what the CPU is?
My laptop is 5+ years old and when I open the lid and wake it up I am typing in something less than three seconds I have been M$ free and compatible for more than five years. When Cortez got to the New World he Burned his boats. If you have no way to get back to Microsoft then you propabaly will not go back.
So that's How the built Moonbase Alpha. And all these years I thought is was classic (pitiful) U.K models.
On the serious side I dont trust an inflatable anything in case of a CME or other Solar *event* but this design beats the standard inflatable. The current gas bas use a compound like foam sealant/ minsulation replace that with soil, maybe dope the mix with some metal to radiation-harden it. In space it is weightless. If it were build from low grav available materials i.e. the Moon it could ship anywhere.
It would not surprise me if this was a sort of crystalization point where the average user realizes that instead of buying a $500 celeron box to push text surf pr0n, or play UT2k4 (ps don't try it on a $500 celeron) they can guarantee a stable, secure, f'real to the core multi-user BSD based experience. No rant but widows has the same half-life and stability as a 16 yr. old's love life. It's like this for the same reason that people drive SUVs and watch daytime TV or get drunk and pick up that oversized hussy at the end of the bar (not knowing enough to want better), but that is a whole nother kettle of fish.
As a tech, my private life is not billable losing some-most-all of my family data or some-most-all of my personal time fixing things that should never hapen just because Win32 is popular is not worth a Stack of Sony Vaios. settle for less or worse and that is what you keep.
Win32 is dodge Mac is Mercedes, it is not about speed or stability it is about 'total cost of ownership' and safety. And the ever elusive definition of value. I am writing this on a 500MHZ pismo that makes the commute to DC daily and runs like a champ. It routinely runs 8-12 of this years apps AND a DVD window without thrashing, but it is about 4.5 years old and reaching the point where I can pass it off to my son and spend another five years with a new (or even slightly used PowerBook G4)
so I bet you $500 that you can buy a computer that you can be proud of
And if not what do you lose? Spyware, malware, Virus alerts security holes...
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It is clear and proven that Ants evolved from Wasps. there is a obvious advantage of "hive" and mob mentality. How else can one explain organized religon? Or Windows?
as in 'that shit is as dumb as a bag of hammers' I am die-hard Mac user and I can see no reason to emulate Mac in x86. All of my Mac SW works or has a win32 version. More to the point if the world needed this someone would have done it for Linux first. Has anybody even heard of these people?
For real tho' that is the funniest thing I have heard all year, and I am Mac Tech Support. So the rest is offtopic.
Go to http://kde.opendarwin.org/ and run the installer and step well away, go do some yardwork, play with the wife, children...Tha pussy (or dog) do whatever. Then when you return, in the '/Applications' is a KDE folder the real deal is in/OPT and it is double-clickable. I could put my two year old on it. it's sawheet!
Even (sic) "free" MS software is wac mac crac[k] Office users only use it because they have to. Office on the mac only increases their market share. Has Anyone really been pissed to get an.RTF file. It's, a Mac but virus checkers don't allow for stupidity.
No for reals. Either it's snowing in hell, and Duke Nukem is the seventh seal of the Armigedion AND the Mac client will be released simultaneously... or iD is full of crap
I Mean it is hard, but what if ANY other country with such a horrible Human Rights record as Isreal came up with a lie detector 'prototype' and claimed to market it.
Would you buy a detector from N.Korea (or S.Korea), Pakistan, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Chile, Argentina, Turkey, Belarus, Angola, Guatamala, Uganda, Or The *n*t**d St**t*s.
Even the Best polygraph tools are only 50% accurate. It isn't anti-semetic to call a country which has never kept a treaty or accord in my entire life 'Isreal' but it is a little more than shady to use their tools and methodology in any (so called) War on Terror
Great now I can switch from tasty-kakes to Little Debbies, drink MORE coffee and Mountain Dew, and code till my heart pops out of my chest like some alien war beast. I mean if an alkaloid like caffiene is soo gooood for me hten I should switch to crack
I wish they did some real research. because Diabetes is a real killer. Basically a fatal disease.
BTW do I get code royalties when my heart explodes?
First Mars needs Women, Then Mars needs Guitars, NOW Mars Needs sattelites... Y'know if Mars needed enriched uranium or fast-breeder reactors we could get the marines there on the cheap-
Well with 'Beagle 2' and 'Hope/Nozumi' down, It almost puts NASA in a good light
I Use, Run and Endorse OS X Server. For home and office use. I was co-incidentally running a Lab similar to that root exploit and guess what OSX is a::real unix:: it has an exploit. I couldn't replicate because I use Kerberos. But this is the first and only time that I have had my development box (OBJ C / Java), Workgroup Server AND desktop on the same HW. with no loss of data in about three years.
In three years M$ will come out with supposedly secure computing, with more of an eye toward how to KEEP drm secure than how to prevent massive system intrusions violations. In the past seven years I have had none of this virus hype. It seems like the Mac users and the Linux users are having more in common every year (Except the OS X gets faster on the same HW:-> ). The only way to really be sure is to try the mac. Yes Apple has some::Issues:: it was only a matter of time before people clues into the OS a year plan. But the money goes into REAL r&d that makes my sysAdmin at home and work so much easier. From time to time I get a hack attempt. But my mac is set up as an Win2K ActiveDirectory PDC and my logs keep me laughing. I hardly even boot my PC as it would be a real security risk
So before you bash the OS the real question is do you run it. And if not when was the last time you were really happy with your OS -- P.S.> I will not go to Server 10.3 as I already implemented all of the documented features by 05/2003
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It is not surprising at all. When I did Apple T-Supp I would field about 10 maybe fifteen calls a week from AOL users who were using AOL as the only App on a G4 or whatnot. They couldn't open an attachment, couldn't print, couldn't unstuff a file that AOL stuffs couldn't find AOL's prefs in the toolbar. And when they wanted to write a letter would e-mail them selves...
Back on point Let AOL build the whole car they will have to support it and their T-S is so good they all deserve a long vacation in India, or Brazil, or whereva'
-- Whats right is what is left after everything else has gone wrong
This is so true, I have been running Linux for a few years on various Macintoshes and I prefer many of the strengths of Linux ofer many of the grace notes of the Classic MacOS.
Maybe I should not use fink and be forced to buy More vendor-closed software. Right now I have a choice between the scarce packages that are native for Xv.10.1 and MS Office for X and if I run Office for X then I have done far worse than my other choice and that is to continue to use the Linux that I paid for on the mac that I paid for and let the VENDOR BEWARE! I hate to split the point or the codebase, but as a Mac support tech I must run MacOS X, it is a requirement for many of our jobs. Do I then have to *Keep it real* and have a seperate Linux box?
It is and will continue to be my *nix skill that keep me at the head of my field. Any other questions about it. Buy a used Apple and run X on it. You (like me) will want GNOME more than classic.
BTW Has it occurred to anybody that most of the code for MS Office for X *would be* portabe to most *nix's? The reprecussions of this are deeply more far reaching than MS using Apple/MacOS as R & D for yet another user to assimilate into their system.
not to make you seem like flamebait, but the Mac supports fairly skanky speech recognition and handwriting analysis ALL the way, way back to 1994, it also has had a screen reader for a hella long time one that can read any message in english or in spanish...
But on the real side of what makes you bait on this is all of these modules are being reworked for Ten so that sometime in the not so distant future you may find yourself at a computer that is smaller than the cube, doesn't have a keyboard, opens folders and files by voice command, lets you write in your own handwriting recognizes your face instead of a pessword... who knows?
Apple is a hardware company. Macintosh/Claris is a software platform. Mac users Love their machines not because they look candy*ss but because they do what a HOME computer is supposed to do. Make creativity easier. If it happens to run a Posix-Compliant Kernel even better if somone ports Aqua to x86 even mo'better.
Macintosh & resedit... the command line was always there, you just didn't have anything it needed to hear
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Apple has what the users want. A safe platform that has Powerful Consumer Apps (iLife, iWork - iTunes Music Store) killer HW that can run on both chips as fast as the market can make it. And a stock price\ earnings reation that the Market loves. It has a Unix that I can put on my Mom's Desktop, or even my Grandmother's Desktop.
Love it or Hate it Apple is all about taking over. I am in the Love it crowd and I cannot believe that Apple was not in the know about the chips or the roadmap. Having the Mac OS and Universal binaries able to run on on x86 chips and PPC will allow apple to run anywhere and everywhere it needs to be. It is the best Unix possible. See I am running KDE in Mac X11 side by side with OSX (with fink - Some people use DarwinPorts) and soon the Intel Chip Based Macs will be able to run linux apps concurrently.
Apple the HW company will use both platforms, Bob Cringely told us this last year. I am not trying to hate on Windows it is off of my Radar, because it has no app that I NEED. but it seems to be beat or worthless. Soon everybody's favorite Unix will be able to run everywhere. the only thing missing from a second Apple Golden Age is an Office Suite (is it missing?) and buying Palm (which was the the old Newton Kit.)
The funniest thing -- It keeps me Laughing My A*s Off is that my 2 kids are running EduBuntu on the last 2 G3's in the house.
The title says it all. I make 100% of my living away from the Wintel platform, and I am surprised at how much it still sucks. I am a man and I believe in the 'throw money at it' style of problem solving, and how the market leader (dominator?) avoids fixing their OS which is the primary place to run the rest of their SW is ...Hella funny.
straight out of the box it is a goat after six hours of install and patching to get the OS and office to the point where the goat won't eat every last scrap of your life ( and send all of your data to some undisclosed IP in saipeng - or wherever) It is a goat when you try to run a non MS app. ( Games aside)
I think the real question is if this goat came out tomorrow would you, could you give this to your wife, wour mother or your sister.
Don't blow sunshine up a goat's ass it is still a goat.
Yup the only thing I enjoy better than "Macs Suck" is the fact that the OS releases \Updates are usually on time and under budget. It lets the "Think Different" company fly in the face of the SOP that the other companies use i.e. Fast, bug free, and on time (pick 2). I was going through some Old Install disks and found a 7.5.3. from 1995 and on 8.1 from 97 (to put this in prespective that was also RH Linux 3.0 and NT 4) SO While I consider Apple a H/W Company those American Coders in Cupertino have been working hard as FizUCK to make an OS/Upgrade that always works never has hurt my Unit or my Data.
However I am on the fence about this upgrade. My Powerbook 500\DVD just got put on the 'unsupported' list and while it will run just fine, I am mighty happy with Ubuntu. I have been leery about feeling like a 'revenue stream'
And of course this accident of fate will make M$ the Last company to get to the 64 bit desktop.
All bitchiness aside I think I will pony up the bucks on a Mini.
130 for the OS and 150 for the iLife and iWork bundle take me more than half the way to the base model mini.
PPC Linuxes rely on Open Firmware settings: You Could
c .> Verify if the 'live' image has the same issue
a.> Power down and hold Apple + Option + 'P' + 'R' until the unit maketh the 'bong' sound thrice
b.> Power down and hold Apple + Option + 'O' + 'F' and incant
#reset-nvram
#set-defaults
#reset-all
It runs beautifully on my 'Pismo' G3 powerbook. One caveat I set the Airport to filter by MAC address instead of WEP key so that I am in on the same HW however I choose to boot.
Yup seen it before the simple answer is to boot to nine and burn it using the built in burner in nine. I Used toast, Then it worked fine. I am on the 'live' - iso, and you just hold C on boot. I may install it permanantly, but I really enjoy having OS X as the one and only OS
The state of linux on laptops is chunks better than it was when I started this odyssey. There are a lot less vendors and the hardware is waaay more advanced. Am I doing myself a favor begging for drivers from nvidia and ati? Am I doing myself a favor by buying a pawn shop special or eBay box. Linux is only free if you de-value your time.
OTOH, the PPC hw is fast reliable and has all the HW interfaces. A reasonably equipped G4 and 512+ MB RAM is what 1100 - 1500 and the G3 500 that I use (and *more* than meets my needs) and all other G3s on eBay are all less than $600. If the same HW runs the same OS and the same apps, then does it really matter what the CPU is?
My laptop is 5+ years old and when I open the lid and wake it up I am typing in something less than three seconds I have been M$ free and compatible for more than five years. When Cortez got to the New World he Burned his boats. If you have no way to get back to Microsoft then you propabaly will not go back.
So that's How the built Moonbase Alpha. And all these years I thought is was classic (pitiful) U.K models.
On the serious side I dont trust an inflatable anything in case of a CME or other Solar *event* but this design beats the standard inflatable. The current gas bas use a compound like foam sealant/ minsulation replace that with soil, maybe dope the mix with some metal to radiation-harden it. In space it is weightless. If it were build from low grav available materials i.e. the Moon it could ship anywhere.
It would not surprise me if this was a sort of crystalization point where the average user realizes that instead of buying a $500 celeron box to push text surf pr0n, or play UT2k4 (ps don't try it on a $500 celeron) they can guarantee a stable, secure, f'real to the core multi-user BSD based experience. No rant but widows has the same half-life and stability as a 16 yr. old's love life. It's like this for the same reason that people drive SUVs and watch daytime TV or get drunk and pick up that oversized hussy at the end of the bar (not knowing enough to want better), but that is a whole nother kettle of fish.
As a tech, my private life is not billable losing some-most-all of my family data or some-most-all of my personal time fixing things that should never hapen just because Win32 is popular is not worth a Stack of Sony Vaios. settle for less or worse and that is what you keep.
Win32 is dodge Mac is Mercedes, it is not about speed or stability it is about 'total cost of ownership' and safety. And the ever elusive definition of value. I am writing this on a 500MHZ pismo that makes the commute to DC daily and runs like a champ. It routinely runs 8-12 of this years apps AND a DVD window without thrashing, but it is about 4.5 years old and reaching the point where I can pass it off to my son and spend another five years with a new (or even slightly used PowerBook G4)
so I bet you $500 that you can buy a computer that you can be proud of
And if not what do you lose? Spyware, malware, Virus alerts security holes...
It is clear and proven that Ants evolved from Wasps. there is a obvious advantage of "hive" and mob mentality. How else can one explain organized religon? Or Windows?
as in 'that shit is as dumb as a bag of hammers' I am die-hard Mac user and I can see no reason to emulate Mac in x86. All of my Mac SW works or has a win32 version. More to the point if the world needed this someone would have done it for Linux first. Has anybody even heard of these people?
For real tho' that is the funniest thing I have heard all year, and I am Mac Tech Support. So the rest is offtopic.
/OPT and it is double-clickable. I could put my two year old on it. it's sawheet! .RTF file. It's, a Mac but virus checkers don't allow for stupidity.
Go to http://kde.opendarwin.org/ and run the installer and step well away, go do some yardwork, play with the wife, children...Tha pussy (or dog) do whatever. Then when you return, in the '/Applications' is a KDE folder the real deal is in
Even (sic) "free" MS software is wac mac crac[k] Office users only use it because they have to. Office on the mac only increases their market share. Has Anyone really been pissed to get an
No for reals. Either it's snowing in hell, and Duke Nukem is the seventh seal of the Armigedion AND the Mac client will be released simultaneously... or iD is full of crap
Better luck next deadline
Maybe SCO outsourced it to india...
After that 'other DDoS' -Transparent and blatant LIE. What could be next. Really makes me sad, but then again I use MacOS
At this point shouldn't you?
If I turn myself in am I ANY less culpable than them
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If she floats she's a weetch
I Mean it is hard, but what if ANY other country with such a horrible Human Rights record as Isreal came up with a lie detector 'prototype' and claimed to market it.
Would you buy a detector from N.Korea (or S.Korea), Pakistan, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Chile, Argentina, Turkey, Belarus, Angola, Guatamala, Uganda, Or The *n*t**d St**t*s.
Even the Best polygraph tools are only 50% accurate. It isn't anti-semetic to call a country which has never kept a treaty or accord in my entire life 'Isreal' but it is a little more than shady to use their tools and methodology in any (so called) War on Terror
Great now I can switch from tasty-kakes to Little Debbies, drink MORE coffee and Mountain Dew, and code till my heart pops out of my chest like some alien war beast. I mean if an alkaloid like caffiene is soo gooood for me hten I should switch to crack
I wish they did some real research. because Diabetes is a real killer. Basically a fatal disease.
BTW do I get code royalties when my heart explodes?
First Mars needs Women, Then Mars needs Guitars, NOW Mars Needs sattelites... Y'know if Mars needed enriched uranium or fast-breeder reactors we could get the marines there on the cheap-
Well with 'Beagle 2' and 'Hope/Nozumi' down, It almost puts NASA in a good light
I Use, Run and Endorse OS X Server. For home and office use. I was co-incidentally running a Lab similar to that root exploit and guess what OSX is a ::real unix:: it has an exploit. I couldn't replicate because I use Kerberos. But this is the first and only time that I have had my development box (OBJ C / Java), Workgroup Server AND desktop on the same HW. with no loss of data in about three years. :-> ). The only way to really be sure is to try the mac. Yes Apple has some ::Issues:: it was only a matter of time before people clues into the OS a year plan. But the money goes into REAL r&d that makes my sysAdmin at home and work so much easier. From time to time I get a hack attempt. But my mac is set up as an Win2K ActiveDirectory PDC and my logs keep me laughing. I hardly even boot my PC as it would be a real security risk
In three years M$ will come out with supposedly secure computing, with more of an eye toward how to KEEP drm secure than how to prevent massive system intrusions violations. In the past seven years I have had none of this virus hype. It seems like the Mac users and the Linux users are having more in common every year (Except the OS X gets faster on the same HW
So before you bash the OS the real question is do you run it. And if not when was the last time you were really happy with your OS
-- P.S.> I will not go to Server 10.3 as I already implemented all of the documented features by 05/2003
It is not surprising at all. When I did Apple T-Supp I would field about 10 maybe fifteen calls a week from AOL users who were using AOL as the only App on a G4 or whatnot. They couldn't open an attachment, couldn't print, couldn't unstuff a file that AOL stuffs couldn't find AOL's prefs in the toolbar. And when they wanted to write a letter would e-mail them selves...
Back on point Let AOL build the whole car they will have to support it and their T-S is so good they all deserve a long vacation in India, or Brazil, or whereva'
--
Whats right is what is left after everything else has gone wrong
This is so true, I have been running Linux for a few years on various Macintoshes and I prefer many of the strengths of Linux ofer many of the grace notes of the Classic MacOS.
Maybe I should not use fink and be forced to buy More vendor-closed software. Right now I have a choice between the scarce packages that are native for Xv.10.1 and MS Office for X and if I run Office for X then I have done far worse than my other choice and that is to continue to use the Linux that I paid for on the mac that I paid for and let the VENDOR BEWARE! I hate to split the point or the codebase, but as a Mac support tech I must run MacOS X, it is a requirement for many of our jobs. Do I then have to *Keep it real* and have a seperate Linux box?
It is and will continue to be my *nix skill that keep me at the head of my field. Any other questions about it. Buy a used Apple and run X on it. You (like me) will want GNOME more than classic.
BTW Has it occurred to anybody that most of the code for MS Office for X *would be* portabe to most *nix's? The reprecussions of this are deeply more far reaching than MS using Apple/MacOS as R & D for yet another user to assimilate into their system.
Thanks for you time
not to make you seem like flamebait, but the Mac supports fairly skanky speech recognition and handwriting analysis ALL the way, way back to 1994, it also has had a screen reader for a hella long time one that can read any message in english or in spanish... But on the real side of what makes you bait on this is all of these modules are being reworked for Ten so that sometime in the not so distant future you may find yourself at a computer that is smaller than the cube, doesn't have a keyboard, opens folders and files by voice command, lets you write in your own handwriting recognizes your face instead of a pessword... who knows? Apple is a hardware company. Macintosh/Claris is a software platform. Mac users Love their machines not because they look candy*ss but because they do what a HOME computer is supposed to do. Make creativity easier. If it happens to run a Posix-Compliant Kernel even better if somone ports Aqua to x86 even mo'better. Macintosh & resedit... the command line was always there, you just didn't have anything it needed to hear
Dang, I guess you only hve the *rights* that you do not intend to use