Luckily, I live in Maryland, so when i have a concern, I can make an appoitment and go visit my representatives. Meeting with them in person while either you're in dc, or they're back home is easily the best way. Who remebers every email you get? I don't, but I'm pretty good about remebering the highlights of actual conversations.
Oh come one, lincoln logs aren't good for anything. Ohh, I made a log cabin. Big whoop. I made a moving plastic dog that shased my car around with legos.
Just as someone has the right to protest for peace, I have the right to try to convince them otherwise (not by hitting them in the face, though). One of the beautiful things about America is the ability to respect someones else's view point, and still try to change thire mind.
Every once and a while, you just have to step back from the paranoia and look at things whith a differnt light. NSA's got TWO jobs. One, the get all the fun information we can on other countries. Note that thats other countries, because they are by law fordbiden from spying on us citizens, and by an executive order since 1978 from having any other country do spying on us citizens for them. Yes, and i still belive echlon doesn't do what everybody thinks it does. The second mission of NSA, however, is INFOSEC, or information security. This role of NSA is to create defensive information operations to achive information assurance (nice bit of buzz words there). Basically, this means NSA wants american goverments and critical commercial utilities (like phone companies and such) to use more secure systems. For them having more secure version on Linux on theese systems, or any more secure os, would be a good thing.
Thsi may be one of the worst ask slashdot questions I've ever seen. College isn't about getting a job. Thast why there's Lincoln Tech and Computer Learning Center.
And what college does teaches you how to do lots of things, but nothing about anything in particular? Thats why you pick a MAJOR. If you major in EE, you learn lots of that. If you pick Criminal Justice, or Underwater Basket Weaving, you'll learn lots about those also. If you don't find those particularly fascinating, pick something else. if you didn;t leanr anything in particualr, its means a) you purposely picked a bogus cake major, or b) you weren't paying attention. We don't havee little data jacks in us (yet) to learng things Matrix style, so its up to you. College is what you make of it. Its a learning opportunity, not traing to be a code monkey. As much as I whine about having to take an extra liturature or diversity class, itsgood for me to take those, as it helps expand my horizons into things I wouldn't normally have taken. My knowlege of Ghandi, Islam, dance, and neauro Physics comes from those classes. Very cool stuff, that I wouldn't have approached otherwise.
"Who knows when, since I've never needed it before. So I will be missing it, and crying in chair, while mumbling curses directed at my cable provider. "
or you could get out that funny metal thing called an antenna.....
If you interested in getting more OS X information in general, the Collge Park chapter of ACM is having a speaker from Apple today to talk about it. Its from 5-6, in the Classrom Building (yes, that actually is the name of one of our buildings), room 0111
Close. The thought is that "no things" are inherintly evil. Concepts and actions such can be, but physical objects are just tools to be used. "Nothing" and "no things" aren't exactally the same.
Ideally, yes, the tech's should get another job. But schools are about the farthest place form idea when it comes to anytihng aproaching technology. Problem is, there isn't even one tech per school. You have a set of around 10 techs who go from school to school and fix hardware problems. Thats about as far as your tech support goes. The rest is up to the school, and the aide running the lab. Remember, aids get paid around 25k a year. This isn't the job for a linux guru. As uchian pointed out in another thread to this (and I wholeheartedly agree), what they need is a good distro, with good software support. My complaint isn;t about KDE or gnome, or even needing to have a teacher lurn how to run an occasional perl script (run, not write), the problem is software. There is no educational software for linux.
This I agree with (although my grany runs an iMac. Install don't get any easier than that). None of the distros are up to educational par, and the software backing isn't there at all. Know, if you could get linux to run all the old IIe software realiable and easily, I could get a school district using it in a month. The old stuff for the apples is still exactally what school want to run, jsut not on the old IIe's themselves.
Just because you're tired of hearing it doesn't make it any less true. And I'm not saying its not ready for the desktop, I'm saying its not ready for my grandmothers desktop, or for that of an elementry school. In schools, most students get around an hour of class time a week. This is time teachers want to spend having them reenforce the classroom lessons, not having to learn how to use the computer. I'm all for having users read the man pages, but in elementry school, reading it self is a challenge for a while, much less reading man pages.
No! School systems are not the place to have linux right now. If a high school can get it work, then more power too them. But high schools and elem/middle schools are totally different beasts. Elememntry and middle schools computer systems are usually run by aids, not full time and paid teachers. The requirements to be an aid or almost rediculously low, and many of the people in those positions are bearly meeting the requirements. If you were compitent to get linux running for an entire school, wouldn't you be working at some place that paid a bit more? In addition, there jsut isn't software to run on linux computer in the low levels. They use some word processing, sure, but most of the fsoftware is almong the lines of "spellavator" or "number munchers." This kind, amount, and quality of educational of software just isn't around for linux. In addition, think oof what the user/techie ratio is where any of you work. Add a zero to it, and thats how overworked techs in the school system are. School systems need things that set up easily, run flawlessly, and never ever need system administration. Now, linux runs great, but thats by one of us setting it up. tech's in school systems have this lovely tendency to be teachers that got sick of teaching. No real rechnical aptitutde required.
I would like to point out that we're looking at LOTR (which I love, btw) longer after its been finished, while the Harry Potter serires is still a work in progress.
This is not a Troll, but are you all on crack? This is not a good thing. For hardly anybody. Putting Linux in a k-12 school system is not a good thing. Despite what anybody here says, Linux is not as easy to use as a Mac, or even windows. I make no bones baout this, and it may be part of the reason I love it so. Linux was designed for servers, and high end workers, not kindergarteners who have enough trouble putting their coats on, much less operating KDE. As someone who supports an elementry school's computers, software for schools often needs to be bright, simple, and colorful. You guys remeber MECC software, and Broderbund? Elementry school are places where using Print Ship can be a challenge, and the concept of "where did I save my work" or "I have to save my work?" are allmost insurmountbale. 9 times out of ten, teachers tend to be the least computer savy people you'll ever meet. And this is not necesaarily a bad thing, since they deal with very small children each and every day. Perl scripts aren't skills they need. Remember the idea here is total cost of ownership. Linux takes time to learn, time that teachers don't have to put in.
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Luckily, I live in Maryland, so when i have a concern, I can make an appoitment and go visit my representatives. Meeting with them in person while either you're in dc, or they're back home is easily the best way. Who remebers every email you get? I don't, but I'm pretty good about remebering the highlights of actual conversations.
but something like 60% of all people who speak chinese never speak to anyone else who speaks another langauge.
Oh come one, lincoln logs aren't good for anything. Ohh, I made a log cabin. Big whoop. I made a moving plastic dog that shased my car around with legos.
I so wish I had some mod points left...
Just as someone has the right to protest for peace, I have the right to try to convince them otherwise (not by hitting them in the face, though). One of the beautiful things about America is the ability to respect someones else's view point, and still try to change thire mind.
Its still a good metaphore. What do you do where there isn't anyone to arrest him?
Its not an issue of what we're attacking them with, but that we are attacking them.
And it'll come packaged with each new iMac you buy
Every once and a while, you just have to step back from the paranoia and look at things whith a differnt light. NSA's got TWO jobs. One, the get all the fun information we can on other countries. Note that thats other countries, because they are by law fordbiden from spying on us citizens, and by an executive order since 1978 from having any other country do spying on us citizens for them. Yes, and i still belive echlon doesn't do what everybody thinks it does. The second mission of NSA, however, is INFOSEC, or information security. This role of NSA is to create defensive information operations to achive information assurance (nice bit of buzz words there). Basically, this means NSA wants american goverments and critical commercial utilities (like phone companies and such) to use more secure systems. For them having more secure version on Linux on theese systems, or any more secure os, would be a good thing.
Thsi may be one of the worst ask slashdot questions I've ever seen. College isn't about getting a job. Thast why there's Lincoln Tech and Computer Learning Center.
And what college does teaches you how to do lots of things, but nothing about anything in particular? Thats why you pick a MAJOR. If you major in EE, you learn lots of that. If you pick Criminal Justice, or Underwater Basket Weaving, you'll learn lots about those also. If you don't find those particularly fascinating, pick something else. if you didn;t leanr anything in particualr, its means a) you purposely picked a bogus cake major, or b) you weren't paying attention. We don't havee little data jacks in us (yet) to learng things Matrix style, so its up to you. College is what you make of it. Its a learning opportunity, not traing to be a code monkey. As much as I whine about having to take an extra liturature or diversity class, itsgood for me to take those, as it helps expand my horizons into things I wouldn't normally have taken. My knowlege of Ghandi, Islam, dance, and neauro Physics comes from those classes. Very cool stuff, that I wouldn't have approached otherwise.
And then DOS is emulating my original pong machine....
"Who knows when, since I've never needed it before. So I will be missing it, and crying in chair, while mumbling curses directed at my cable provider. "
or you could get out that funny metal thing called an antenna.....
Yup, the tornado was on the other side of campus, by the high rises. The "Class room building" is down by rt 1, near the engenering buildings.
If you interested in getting more OS X information in general, the Collge Park chapter of ACM is having a speaker from Apple today to talk about it. Its from 5-6, in the Classrom Building (yes, that actually is the name of one of our buildings), room 0111
And blind cynicism rears its ugly head...
Close. The thought is that "no things" are inherintly evil. Concepts and actions such can be, but physical objects are just tools to be used. "Nothing" and "no things" aren't exactally the same.
Ideally, yes, the tech's should get another job. But schools are about the farthest place form idea when it comes to anytihng aproaching technology. Problem is, there isn't even one tech per school. You have a set of around 10 techs who go from school to school and fix hardware problems. Thats about as far as your tech support goes. The rest is up to the school, and the aide running the lab. Remember, aids get paid around 25k a year. This isn't the job for a linux guru. As uchian pointed out in another thread to this (and I wholeheartedly agree), what they need is a good distro, with good software support. My complaint isn;t about KDE or gnome, or even needing to have a teacher lurn how to run an occasional perl script (run, not write), the problem is software. There is no educational software for linux.
This I agree with (although my grany runs an iMac. Install don't get any easier than that). None of the distros are up to educational par, and the software backing isn't there at all. Know, if you could get linux to run all the old IIe software realiable and easily, I could get a school district using it in a month. The old stuff for the apples is still exactally what school want to run, jsut not on the old IIe's themselves.
Just because you're tired of hearing it doesn't make it any less true. And I'm not saying its not ready for the desktop, I'm saying its not ready for my grandmothers desktop, or for that of an elementry school. In schools, most students get around an hour of class time a week. This is time teachers want to spend having them reenforce the classroom lessons, not having to learn how to use the computer. I'm all for having users read the man pages, but in elementry school, reading it self is a challenge for a while, much less reading man pages.
No! School systems are not the place to have linux right now. If a high school can get it work, then more power too them. But high schools and elem/middle schools are totally different beasts. Elememntry and middle schools computer systems are usually run by aids, not full time and paid teachers. The requirements to be an aid or almost rediculously low, and many of the people in those positions are bearly meeting the requirements. If you were compitent to get linux running for an entire school, wouldn't you be working at some place that paid a bit more? In addition, there jsut isn't software to run on linux computer in the low levels. They use some word processing, sure, but most of the fsoftware is almong the lines of "spellavator" or "number munchers." This kind, amount, and quality of educational of software just isn't around for linux. In addition, think oof what the user/techie ratio is where any of you work. Add a zero to it, and thats how overworked techs in the school system are. School systems need things that set up easily, run flawlessly, and never ever need system administration. Now, linux runs great, but thats by one of us setting it up. tech's in school systems have this lovely tendency to be teachers that got sick of teaching. No real rechnical aptitutde required.
I would like to point out that we're looking at LOTR (which I love, btw) longer after its been finished, while the Harry Potter serires is still a work in progress.
10 million dollars? That's it? You'd think sending mice to mars would cost more.
Hmm, my double E classes always insisted it was much lower like 30 volts of static. The A+ exams said the same.
This is not a Troll, but are you all on crack? This is not a good thing. For hardly anybody. Putting Linux in a k-12 school system is not a good thing. Despite what anybody here says, Linux is not as easy to use as a Mac, or even windows. I make no bones baout this, and it may be part of the reason I love it so. Linux was designed for servers, and high end workers, not kindergarteners who have enough trouble putting their coats on, much less operating KDE. As someone who supports an elementry school's computers, software for schools often needs to be bright, simple, and colorful. You guys remeber MECC software, and Broderbund? Elementry school are places where using Print Ship can be a challenge, and the concept of "where did I save my work" or "I have to save my work?" are allmost insurmountbale. 9 times out of ten, teachers tend to be the least computer savy people you'll ever meet. And this is not necesaarily a bad thing, since they deal with very small children each and every day. Perl scripts aren't skills they need. Remember the idea here is total cost of ownership. Linux takes time to learn, time that teachers don't have to put in.
Somebody explain to me how its a handicap not to be able to walk around the golf course, but not be able to type?