I understand the distinction and would like to point out that I warned you that it was a rant.
What my point was, is that we are decrying the killing of civilians left and right and using it as a justification to kill civilians. We are not helping them by killing them. We are killing them.
You are right sometimes war is the only solution, but do you really believe that was the case this time. Maybe we could have spent a bit more time seeing if there really were WMD's before we ran in waving the flag waiting for the flowers to litter the path of our soldiers.
This was not a justified war. The White House chose to use faulty evidence that they knew much of the intelligence community disagreed with.
I believe in an earlier post you said that this war was also stratigic. We went in to stabalize the region not now, but twenety years from now. If that is the case then does that mean you agree with the administrations idea of nation building. Do you really think it is the job of the USA to set up Democratic goverments by force throughout the world.
Sorry I'm all over the place with this. I'm posting on breaks. I know I didn't hit on some of your points, I'll try to hit them when I get home this evening.
That's great, our troops only killed 15,000 CIVILIANS. What is it called again when you kill civilians to futher a cause, like bombing buildings, Oh thats right its called TERRORISM.
Some of the things that you refrence even the Bush administration has said aren't true. OK city was a case of domestic terrorism, the 9/11 committee says Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. I'm not sure how you link the others with Iraq, but I highly doubt the actual facts back you up considering the other things you have asserted.
As someone else has already pointed out we are there now and Saddam was a real shit, but saying that we are there for untrue reasons helps no one.
Oh, I do agree with you that Reagan did a lot to put us in this situation. That is another thing that worries me about this administration, they seem to think Reagan was some kind of god. Reagan gave us American sponsered terrorists, Saddam gassing his people and Iran, and a huge recession in the late 80's with fiscal policies that Bush is trying to reinstate.
I agree that most of the things on the air is garbage. I don't agree that we should censor it though.
People have a right to voice their opinions. I think what we need is to open the airwaves even more. Allow low power brodcasting on unused frequencies.
We have lost freedom and many people have gained the perception of security.
Perception is reality.
Therefore we have gained more security.
You are right of course, we have gained little in actual security while we have lost l alot in freedom. The flaw in a democratic society is that perception and not reality are what politicians are judged on. How the people of that country percieve things is what is important to their leaders, not the actual situation.
I think that it is very irresponsible to publish that information. However it is not illegal. Just like it is not illegal for the anti-abortion sites to list names and addresses of doctors along with a list of names that has the murdered doctors names crossed out.
I don't agree with either one of these actions, but publishing freely available information on the internet is not a crime, nor do I think it should be.
It is wring that people hurt other people, but that is no excuse to ignore the Constitution of the USA.
I don't mind people choosing to pay higher taxes to get services for their own laziness, I don't take my own trash to the dump either. The problen I have is people constanly bitching that taxes are so hig and we need to cut taxes so they can get a bigger pool. These are the same folks who come screaming that the goverment needs to protect them from their own stupidity.
I can give you a case in point. I work construction during the summers, while I was going to a job we had to stop at the security gate to get through. Now the security person is a real bitch, but thats ok because thats what they pay her for. Well the job gets postponed till that afternoon so we leave and come back. Security is a dick again and after I told her three times where I was going I just pulled through. Again this was annoying, but these people are paying for security. Security calls the cop that is patroling this neighborhood and only this neighborhood. The cop pulls me over and asks why I ran the security gate and when I tell him what happened he just nods and says to go ahead. Apperently he is used to the idiocy of the security guard.
Now what pissed me off is that I have friend that live on the bad side of town and they cant get the police to show for at least 45 minutes, this gated community has their own cop in a squad car, on duty no less 24/7. Then I realize something else, the roads are publicly maintained as is the sewer in this neighborhood. You cannot block off public roads, but since these people know the right people in local goverment they get their own extra services and I get to pay for it.
Sorry about the rant, had a few to many drinks and got a bit carried away.
The virus never kills you, however there is as very common reperitory infection that many people have and never know about. This infection kills many people with AIDS since no one expects it, since everyone has it and it is easily beaten by our immune system.
That is what usually kills people when people say they were killed by the virus.
We are writing you to apologize about your cat. Sadly it was involved in a terrorist plot the we are currently not at liberty to discuss and for reasons of national security we were forced to drive over it repeatedly in black unmarked, sedans. We thank you for your cooperation in this matter and hope this does not affect your vote.
I admidt my logic wasnt at its best when I typed my respones last night, but I think idiots is a bit much.
Lets start with my first point which you failed to address. If you need to make things up or stretch the truth to convince people you are right then you need to accept the fact that their is a good possibility that you are wrong, as in this case. That's why scientific journals insist on peer review. The administration ignored the peer review because it was not what they wanted to here. They were dishonest so that they could get people to believe what they wanted them to believe. Which is a lot of what propaganda is.
As to the morality issue, you can help whoever the hell you want. My point is that the administrations of this country, Democrat and Republican, love to say that they are doing all kinds of things because its moral or its right or its the Christian thing to do. The truth this country will deal with the devil if we think it is advantageous to do so. You may be familiar with a middle eastern dicatator who we supplied weapons to while he was using Weapons of Mass Destruction. You may also want to look into the folks that went over to see him and make sure he go what he needed.
I'm not trying to say that the US should be fine and altruistic. I'm saying that this country needs to be honest as much as possible to allow for the proper workings of democracy. The more voters know and understand the issues and the stance of their leaders on those issues the better prepared to vote that individual is.
So its okay to lie to the American public about Saddam reconstituting is nuclear program because you are pretty sure that Saddam is going to try to reconstitute other WMD programs as soon as he can and nuclear weapons are scary and make for good propaganda. Don't think for a moment it is anything but war propaganda.
If the truth is not a strong enough case to go to war on then maybe you should not go to war.
On an unrelated note the next time anyone in the administration says that, "we had a moral imperative to go to war", I want them to explain why we don't have a moral imperative to stop the genocide in Sudan. If you want to claim morality as a justification then genocide should to your list of moral outrages.
Are you actually suggesting that each county gets on vote in the system, making say New York City count for the same as some small county in Montana.
It seems a bit diproportionate to allocate votes based simmply on geography. That is part of the problem now. Most of the population in the country lives in more populous areas, you would be taking more of the power from the mojority and giving it to the minority.
I may not agree with the majority alot of the time, but atleast I know that I had a fair say. When you have elections and major decisions being decided by a minority on a regular basis,more and mor people feel like their vote doesn't matter and don't bother voting.
I think his point was that the shoe bomber proved he was wrong about terrorists trying to go after planes again.
As for the only good terrorist being a dead terrorist rhetoric is that it does create martyrs which often leads to more terrorist than those that were killed. The correct solution is, um actually I don't know the correct solution. Its a really tough problem.
I am pretty sure that attacking a muslim country on a false pretense wasn't the best bet, nor do I think abusing prisoners helps the situation.
About the only thing I do know is that the US is there now so the US needs to fix what they broke. I realize that isn't easy and many don't like addmidting that the US broke anything, but they were the aggressors.
Hopefully you are trolling. If you go to actually purchase a very high end sports car like a lamborgini or a ferrari they will give you a test drive and they will sometimes even let you take it home(after they run a credit check)
If you had ever actually been somewhere that sells the cars you may know that. Of course they wouldnt let me take one home, but you can still hop in the drivers seat.
Free means free of the tyrany of socialism. Sure we may have to give up the joys of universal healthcare and safe streets, but we dont have to worry about a govt. spying on its citizens or telling us what to do...
Yes, Meth can ruin peoples lives. So can drinking. Actually drinking ruins more lives than any other drug but tobaco. The real problem with meth is enviromental. You have guys all hopped up on meth mixing very volitiale chemicals and doing a poor job of cleaning up after themselves.
The laws that need stiffening are the enviromental ones. If you want to take a dangerous substance and use it thats fine, but I don't want to have to worry about being harmed by your polluting the ground water and land around us. This goes for chemical companies too. I dont care who you are, if you harm other people its wrong. Harming yourself is a choice though. I don't know why this country decided one day that it knew best and I had to do what I'm told. US citizens are not unruly children that the goverment needs to set nap times for!
No. I believe they give their guys dexidrine or dextrastat(probably misspelled). It is a form of speed and methamphetamine is on of its ancestors, but it is much cleaner, less addictive and taken as a pill.
Most meth people make today is based on the so-called nazi recipe and is much harsher. However when you get down to it speed is speed.
Oh, and dexies can also be prescribed to adults with ADD or in some cases of obesiety. Which is how people usually get them.
I prefered SCSI, Firewire and all the nice high end shit too. Until I had to buy it myself.
Even with the amount prices on SCSI especially have dropped, it is still nowhere near as cheap as IDE. And son't even get started about the price gap 5 years ago. High end kit is real nice, but most folks just cant afford it.
Its called Kazaa or whatever your favorite file sharing program is.
If you don't want to support them, but you still want their product then do what many of us do, steal it. No the quality isn't that good and you need to get highspeed access to download movies, but it really leaves you feeling all warm and fuzzy that you didn't support their machine.
I know we shouldn't steal, its wrong and all that, but I love movies and have relativly lose morals. Also I see what these groups are doing towards eroding my freedoms, the only things worse are the wars on terrorism and drugs, and you really don't want me to rant on about that.
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What my point was, is that we are decrying the killing of civilians left and right and using it as a justification to kill civilians. We are not helping them by killing them. We are killing them.
You are right sometimes war is the only solution, but do you really believe that was the case this time. Maybe we could have spent a bit more time seeing if there really were WMD's before we ran in waving the flag waiting for the flowers to litter the path of our soldiers.
This was not a justified war. The White House chose to use faulty evidence that they knew much of the intelligence community disagreed with.
I believe in an earlier post you said that this war was also stratigic. We went in to stabalize the region not now, but twenety years from now. If that is the case then does that mean you agree with the administrations idea of nation building. Do you really think it is the job of the USA to set up Democratic goverments by force throughout the world.
Sorry I'm all over the place with this. I'm posting on breaks. I know I didn't hit on some of your points, I'll try to hit them when I get home this evening.
That's great, our troops only killed 15,000 CIVILIANS. What is it called again when you kill civilians to futher a cause, like bombing buildings, Oh thats right its called TERRORISM.
Some of the things that you refrence even the Bush administration has said aren't true. OK city was a case of domestic terrorism, the 9/11 committee says Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. I'm not sure how you link the others with Iraq, but I highly doubt the actual facts back you up considering the other things you have asserted.
As someone else has already pointed out we are there now and Saddam was a real shit, but saying that we are there for untrue reasons helps no one.
Oh, I do agree with you that Reagan did a lot to put us in this situation. That is another thing that worries me about this administration, they seem to think Reagan was some kind of god. Reagan gave us American sponsered terrorists, Saddam gassing his people and Iran, and a huge recession in the late 80's with fiscal policies that Bush is trying to reinstate.
Sorry about the rant.
Wonko has been right for a long time now.
People have a right to voice their opinions. I think what we need is to open the airwaves even more. Allow low power brodcasting on unused frequencies.
I would also like to add that I to love NPR.
Perception is reality.
Therefore we have gained more security.
You are right of course, we have gained little in actual security while we have lost l alot in freedom. The flaw in a democratic society is that perception and not reality are what politicians are judged on. How the people of that country percieve things is what is important to their leaders, not the actual situation.
I don't agree with either one of these actions, but publishing freely available information on the internet is not a crime, nor do I think it should be.
It is wring that people hurt other people, but that is no excuse to ignore the Constitution of the USA.
I can give you a case in point. I work construction during the summers, while I was going to a job we had to stop at the security gate to get through. Now the security person is a real bitch, but thats ok because thats what they pay her for. Well the job gets postponed till that afternoon so we leave and come back. Security is a dick again and after I told her three times where I was going I just pulled through. Again this was annoying, but these people are paying for security. Security calls the cop that is patroling this neighborhood and only this neighborhood. The cop pulls me over and asks why I ran the security gate and when I tell him what happened he just nods and says to go ahead. Apperently he is used to the idiocy of the security guard.
Now what pissed me off is that I have friend that live on the bad side of town and they cant get the police to show for at least 45 minutes, this gated community has their own cop in a squad car, on duty no less 24/7. Then I realize something else, the roads are publicly maintained as is the sewer in this neighborhood. You cannot block off public roads, but since these people know the right people in local goverment they get their own extra services and I get to pay for it.
Sorry about the rant, had a few to many drinks and got a bit carried away.
The virus never kills you, however there is as very common reperitory infection that many people have and never know about. This infection kills many people with AIDS since no one expects it, since everyone has it and it is easily beaten by our immune system.
That is what usually kills people when people say they were killed by the virus.
We are writing you to apologize about your cat. Sadly it was involved in a terrorist plot the we are currently not at liberty to discuss and for reasons of national security we were forced to drive over it repeatedly in black unmarked, sedans. We thank you for your cooperation in this matter and hope this does not affect your vote.
Sincerly,
Dick Cheney
Lets start with my first point which you failed to address. If you need to make things up or stretch the truth to convince people you are right then you need to accept the fact that their is a good possibility that you are wrong, as in this case. That's why scientific journals insist on peer review. The administration ignored the peer review because it was not what they wanted to here. They were dishonest so that they could get people to believe what they wanted them to believe. Which is a lot of what propaganda is.
As to the morality issue, you can help whoever the hell you want. My point is that the administrations of this country, Democrat and Republican, love to say that they are doing all kinds of things because its moral or its right or its the Christian thing to do. The truth this country will deal with the devil if we think it is advantageous to do so. You may be familiar with a middle eastern dicatator who we supplied weapons to while he was using Weapons of Mass Destruction. You may also want to look into the folks that went over to see him and make sure he go what he needed.
I'm not trying to say that the US should be fine and altruistic. I'm saying that this country needs to be honest as much as possible to allow for the proper workings of democracy. The more voters know and understand the issues and the stance of their leaders on those issues the better prepared to vote that individual is.
If the truth is not a strong enough case to go to war on then maybe you should not go to war.
On an unrelated note the next time anyone in the administration says that, "we had a moral imperative to go to war", I want them to explain why we don't have a moral imperative to stop the genocide in Sudan. If you want to claim morality as a justification then genocide should to your list of moral outrages.
It seems a bit diproportionate to allocate votes based simmply on geography. That is part of the problem now. Most of the population in the country lives in more populous areas, you would be taking more of the power from the mojority and giving it to the minority.
I may not agree with the majority alot of the time, but atleast I know that I had a fair say. When you have elections and major decisions being decided by a minority on a regular basis,more and mor people feel like their vote doesn't matter and don't bother voting.
As for the only good terrorist being a dead terrorist rhetoric is that it does create martyrs which often leads to more terrorist than those that were killed. The correct solution is, um actually I don't know the correct solution. Its a really tough problem.
I am pretty sure that attacking a muslim country on a false pretense wasn't the best bet, nor do I think abusing prisoners helps the situation.
About the only thing I do know is that the US is there now so the US needs to fix what they broke. I realize that isn't easy and many don't like addmidting that the US broke anything, but they were the aggressors.
Watching from the inside its hard to sleep too.
Smart weapons are great and I think they have made great strides in cutting back civilian casulties, but the Iraq war is by no means without them.
Whats wrong with defeating copy protection? Is it wrong to make a tool that can be used for something you consider morally wrong?
Hopefully you are trolling. If you go to actually purchase a very high end sports car like a lamborgini or a ferrari they will give you a test drive and they will sometimes even let you take it home(after they run a credit check)
If you had ever actually been somewhere that sells the cars you may know that. Of course they wouldnt let me take one home, but you can still hop in the drivers seat.
Wait what are we getting out of this deal again?
The laws that need stiffening are the enviromental ones. If you want to take a dangerous substance and use it thats fine, but I don't want to have to worry about being harmed by your polluting the ground water and land around us. This goes for chemical companies too. I dont care who you are, if you harm other people its wrong. Harming yourself is a choice though. I don't know why this country decided one day that it knew best and I had to do what I'm told. US citizens are not unruly children that the goverment needs to set nap times for!
Most meth people make today is based on the so-called nazi recipe and is much harsher. However when you get down to it speed is speed.
Oh, and dexies can also be prescribed to adults with ADD or in some cases of obesiety. Which is how people usually get them.
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When you sell the CD you give up the license thus giving up your right to back up the copyrighted material.
Well now they are going for the users.
Even with the amount prices on SCSI especially have dropped, it is still nowhere near as cheap as IDE. And son't even get started about the price gap 5 years ago. High end kit is real nice, but most folks just cant afford it.
Its called Kazaa or whatever your favorite file sharing program is.
If you don't want to support them, but you still want their product then do what many of us do, steal it. No the quality isn't that good and you need to get highspeed access to download movies, but it really leaves you feeling all warm and fuzzy that you didn't support their machine.
I know we shouldn't steal, its wrong and all that, but I love movies and have relativly lose morals. Also I see what these groups are doing towards eroding my freedoms, the only things worse are the wars on terrorism and drugs, and you really don't want me to rant on about that.