I hear ya. I responded with Debian to the distro question, which I was hopeful was close enough to Ubuntu that they'd sneak me in.
The funny thing is, according to the beta announcement, "An overwhelming majority of beta applicants have reported they’re running the Ubuntu distro of Linux". I have to wonder how many of those people are actually running other distributions and said Ubuntu, and how many didn't even bother signing up, because it was widely known that Valve were targeting Ubuntu for the beta.
If E is mostly masturbation, then I have been masturbating for the last four or five years. Daily. At work and at home. In front of friends and family.
Even more, if you count E16, although I only switched to using E17 at work around four or five years ago.
Third party software. For the most part, I administer everything via the command line. There are some third party systems that use an X GUI for configuration. Thus I need network transparency.
That... is awesome news! Thanks for that information. I hadn't heard anything about it.
The X compatibility layer will still be useful regardless, but I'm very glad to hear that Wayland will likely have network transparency as well. The more I hear about this system, the more I'm liking it.
I agree that we need to come up with a brand new system to handle today's graphics systems. That's what Wayland is for, and why it's such an interesting project. It is not legacy baggage, but a ground up designed system. You have heard of it, haven't you? Seems like every Linux user and their dog knows about it these days.
Also, I'm very glad that Wayland is implementing an X compatibility layer. I'm one of those fraction of a percent that use and enjoy network transparency. It would annoy the hell out of me if I had to run a full graphic system on the servers I manage, and then use VNC to connect to them. It's just so much nicer to ssh into the machine, run the program, and have it appear directly on my screen. Never mind that I like keeping a minimal amount of packages installed on the servers. I try to keep it simple.
By the way, if we have the memory, computational power, and bandwidth, why are you so worried about X overhead and latency? Surely they become marginal with more resources.
Well, Enlightenment is not entirely a good argument. It's coming up for release very soon (E17), and the next version is already being talked about as having compositing a _requirement_.
I first encountered this joke around the mid 90's, and it was US/Canadian then. No recent ugly nationalism to blame here. It hasn't lost any humour value, so you can laugh if you want.
The article reminds me of that old US/Canadian joke that circulates every so often...
------------------ This is the transcript of an actual radio conversation between a US naval ship and Canadian authorities off the coast of Newfoundland in October 1995. The Radio conversation was released by the Chief of Naval Operations on Oct. 10, 1995.
US Ship: Please divert your course 0.5 degrees to the south to avoid a collision.
CND reply: Recommend you divert your course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision.
US Ship: This is the Captain of a US Navy Ship. I say again, divert your course.
CND reply: No. I say again, you divert YOUR course!
US Ship: THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS CORAL SEA, WE ARE A LARGE WARSHIP OF THE US NAVY. DIVERT YOUR COURSE NOW!!
A well written piece of sophism. It doesn't address the idea, though, of where there is no proof, there is belief. Belief in something that exists, or doesn't exist, is still a belief, and therefore can fit a definition of religion. If I get a bunch of people together, with the single belief that we are alone in the universe, that there is no life elsewhere except on this planet, I have established a religion.
Oh, but Atheism is a religion, for various different definitions of religion. Consider it an OR test, where it failed your chosen definition of religion, but there are still other definitions which it satisfies.
One definition of Religion is a set of beliefs followed by a number of people. In "believing" that there is no god, Atheism relegates itself to the category of Religion, by this definition. The parent poster is quite correct in this.
You proved that Atheism is a word for not having a deity. You didn't prove that Atheism is a word for not having a religion.
Good points, but on the whole, they're not especially bad issues. Except maybe for that testing dependency bug you mentioned. Apt-get will print a confirmation prompt before doing package removals, and a large package removal batch should stick out like a sore thumb. I suggest you give testing another try.
As far as the other issues, they aren't deal-breakers. In fact, for a newbie, they can be a good catalyst for learning more about how the system works. Little inconveniences can often lead to a great deal of learning.
I agree with you about your main point of Debian + chosen DE != Ubuntu, but I'm not so sure about some of the points you raised on Debian issues. I've dealt with dozens of different Debian installs, both server and desktop/workstation, and have not encountered some of the issues you list.
* Bootloader problems. I've never had bootloader problems with Debian. It's always just worked for me. It even auto-detects windows partitions and adds an entry into the grub menu for it.
* Network non-free components. Never had an issue with a wired interface. Wireless, though, may require some manual intervention to install the non-free firmware needed. So that part will make it harder for basic users.
* Graphics issues. Yep, needs some manual work if you want to run the latest Nvidia drivers. For heaven's sake, do NOT install the drivers using some script made by a random guy. Add the testing or unstable repositories to your apt-get config, and pin your system to the stable repository (or easier still, just install Debian testing). You can then install the latest and greatest Nvidia driver via official debian packages. I'm using the testing package myself, and it's perfectly fine. It's already been through unstable, so I'm assured that there aren't any "game-breaking" bugs in it. Debian testing is as stable as other distribution's full releases, except that Debian updates more often.
* Codec issues. Yep, not friendly to basic users. Can't be helped, though. Debian has always said that it is dedicated to completely free software. It was never going to include encumbered codecs in the main system. Not even in the non-free section. I dispute that the deb-multimedia repo is a "resort". It's an excellent source for these missing codecs
* Printer installation. Yep, good point. Ubuntu handles printer installations better. Actually, I just did a quick search, and there is a package that promises automatic printer installation for Debian. It's called system-config-printer-udev . I've never used it, so can't comment on how effective it is.
* Iceweasel. Actually, I really like this name, especially when you know the story behind it. Believe me, it's not done to confuse. There is a reason, and it is good.
So anyway, we do agree that Debian is a power user, or enthusiast, OS. More so, it's an OS for people who believe in the free software philosophy. Some of the issues you mention are due to that philosophy. It's not a bad thing, really.
It's interesting that you use drivers as an example of how Windows is more unified than Linux. Linux drivers are, for the most part, supplied with the kernel, and are therefore highly unified with the system. Whereas with Windows, drivers are often the domain of the hardware manufacturer, and are therefore not as unified. In fact, it's quite often bugs in manufacturer drivers that necessitate driver updates in Windows. A problem that Linux does not have (barring Nvidia/ATI drivers).
Unification on the desktop, though, is probably what you're referring to. That is not a Linux problem per se. It's a Gnome problem, or KDE problem, or whatever other GUI system problem... in which case it's the fault of whoever wrote or designed that system, not Linux.
Cronulla is a beach suburb in the southern part of Sydney. Part of the Sutherland Shire. "The Shire", as it's commonly known, was known for its, ahem, insular ways and attitude. They were just not very exposed to different cultures.
Speaking as a not so young man of Middle Eastern appearance, I know that many young Middle Eastern men do act belligerent, rowdy, and aggressive. Friction between this type of group and young local residents was the catalyst for the riot, not any implicit association of terrorism. Both sides behaved very badly, and neither can truly be excused for their actions. The riot was a one-of-a-kind, and is definitely not considered typical behaviour for Australians.
These days, Cronulla is a little more open to different ethnic groups. Still not great, but much improved. I doubt that this type of riot would happen nowadays.
Case in point: The Templars are forcing their will on the world. The Assassins are trying to free the world from tyranny. Which group best matches Ubisoft DRM?
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*shrug* And yet, despite having a shitty driver subsystem, Linux drivers work, and work very well.
For someone who ignores trolls, as indicated in your sig, I can only conclude you haven't paid much attention to what you wrote.
I hear ya. I responded with Debian to the distro question, which I was hopeful was close enough to Ubuntu that they'd sneak me in.
The funny thing is, according to the beta announcement, "An overwhelming majority of beta applicants have reported they’re running the Ubuntu distro of Linux". I have to wonder how many of those people are actually running other distributions and said Ubuntu, and how many didn't even bother signing up, because it was widely known that Valve were targeting Ubuntu for the beta.
First impression of the error: you're missing a library file.
I did a google search, and came up with this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba4/+bug/887537
Maybe that will help?
That was quite the stream-of-consciousness post. Nice work. I think I even understood most of it.
By the way, to change your theme, download a new theme file, copy it to ~/.e/e/themes/, go to Settings->Theme and select it. Theme change is instant.
I'm running E17, on Debian Testing (proper). With a new theme. I'm happy with it.
If E is mostly masturbation, then I have been masturbating for the last four or five years. Daily. At work and at home. In front of friends and family.
Even more, if you count E16, although I only switched to using E17 at work around four or five years ago.
Third party software. For the most part, I administer everything via the command line. There are some third party systems that use an X GUI for configuration. Thus I need network transparency.
That ... is awesome news! Thanks for that information. I hadn't heard anything about it.
The X compatibility layer will still be useful regardless, but I'm very glad to hear that Wayland will likely have network transparency as well. The more I hear about this system, the more I'm liking it.
I agree that we need to come up with a brand new system to handle today's graphics systems. That's what Wayland is for, and why it's such an interesting project. It is not legacy baggage, but a ground up designed system. You have heard of it, haven't you? Seems like every Linux user and their dog knows about it these days.
Also, I'm very glad that Wayland is implementing an X compatibility layer. I'm one of those fraction of a percent that use and enjoy network transparency. It would annoy the hell out of me if I had to run a full graphic system on the servers I manage, and then use VNC to connect to them. It's just so much nicer to ssh into the machine, run the program, and have it appear directly on my screen. Never mind that I like keeping a minimal amount of packages installed on the servers. I try to keep it simple.
By the way, if we have the memory, computational power, and bandwidth, why are you so worried about X overhead and latency? Surely they become marginal with more resources.
Well, Enlightenment is not entirely a good argument. It's coming up for release very soon (E17), and the next version is already being talked about as having compositing a _requirement_.
Install Debian testing, and have the best of both worlds.
Not the Japanese. They love Mech stuff.
Actually, so do I. I think I'm turning Japanese, I really think so.
(well, you did mention the 80s)
Not sure about the DVD, but I have the Blu-Ray version, and the suicide squad scene was included as an extra "deleted scenes" feature.
I first encountered this joke around the mid 90's, and it was US/Canadian then. No recent ugly nationalism to blame here. It hasn't lost any humour value, so you can laugh if you want.
Snopes even have an entry about it, and they do go into the history of the joke, which is quite interesting.
http://www.snopes.com/military/lighthouse.asp
The article reminds me of that old US/Canadian joke that circulates every so often ...
------------------
This is the transcript of an actual radio conversation between a US naval ship and Canadian authorities off the coast of Newfoundland in October 1995. The Radio conversation was released by the Chief of Naval Operations on Oct. 10, 1995.
US Ship: Please divert your course 0.5 degrees to the south to avoid a collision.
CND reply: Recommend you divert your course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision.
US Ship: This is the Captain of a US Navy Ship. I say again, divert your course.
CND reply: No. I say again, you divert YOUR course!
US Ship: THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS CORAL SEA, WE ARE A LARGE WARSHIP OF THE US NAVY. DIVERT YOUR COURSE NOW!!
CND reply: This is a lighthouse. Your call.
A well written piece of sophism. It doesn't address the idea, though, of where there is no proof, there is belief. Belief in something that exists, or doesn't exist, is still a belief, and therefore can fit a definition of religion. If I get a bunch of people together, with the single belief that we are alone in the universe, that there is no life elsewhere except on this planet, I have established a religion.
Oh, but Atheism is a religion, for various different definitions of religion. Consider it an OR test, where it failed your chosen definition of religion, but there are still other definitions which it satisfies.
One definition of Religion is a set of beliefs followed by a number of people. In "believing" that there is no god, Atheism relegates itself to the category of Religion, by this definition. The parent poster is quite correct in this.
You proved that Atheism is a word for not having a deity. You didn't prove that Atheism is a word for not having a religion.
Not so new, my friend. Slashdot has been lording it over me for a good many years.
No, I am the author of the story above, and my name is Brian.
Good points, but on the whole, they're not especially bad issues. Except maybe for that testing dependency bug you mentioned. Apt-get will print a confirmation prompt before doing package removals, and a large package removal batch should stick out like a sore thumb. I suggest you give testing another try.
As far as the other issues, they aren't deal-breakers. In fact, for a newbie, they can be a good catalyst for learning more about how the system works. Little inconveniences can often lead to a great deal of learning.
I agree with you about your main point of Debian + chosen DE != Ubuntu, but I'm not so sure about some of the points you raised on Debian issues. I've dealt with dozens of different Debian installs, both server and desktop/workstation, and have not encountered some of the issues you list.
* Bootloader problems. I've never had bootloader problems with Debian. It's always just worked for me. It even auto-detects windows partitions and adds an entry into the grub menu for it.
* Network non-free components. Never had an issue with a wired interface. Wireless, though, may require some manual intervention to install the non-free firmware needed. So that part will make it harder for basic users.
* Graphics issues. Yep, needs some manual work if you want to run the latest Nvidia drivers. For heaven's sake, do NOT install the drivers using some script made by a random guy. Add the testing or unstable repositories to your apt-get config, and pin your system to the stable repository (or easier still, just install Debian testing). You can then install the latest and greatest Nvidia driver via official debian packages. I'm using the testing package myself, and it's perfectly fine. It's already been through unstable, so I'm assured that there aren't any "game-breaking" bugs in it. Debian testing is as stable as other distribution's full releases, except that Debian updates more often.
* Codec issues. Yep, not friendly to basic users. Can't be helped, though. Debian has always said that it is dedicated to completely free software. It was never going to include encumbered codecs in the main system. Not even in the non-free section. I dispute that the deb-multimedia repo is a "resort". It's an excellent source for these missing codecs
* Printer installation. Yep, good point. Ubuntu handles printer installations better. Actually, I just did a quick search, and there is a package that promises automatic printer installation for Debian. It's called system-config-printer-udev . I've never used it, so can't comment on how effective it is.
* Iceweasel. Actually, I really like this name, especially when you know the story behind it. Believe me, it's not done to confuse. There is a reason, and it is good.
So anyway, we do agree that Debian is a power user, or enthusiast, OS. More so, it's an OS for people who believe in the free software philosophy. Some of the issues you mention are due to that philosophy. It's not a bad thing, really.
It's interesting that you use drivers as an example of how Windows is more unified than Linux. Linux drivers are, for the most part, supplied with the kernel, and are therefore highly unified with the system. Whereas with Windows, drivers are often the domain of the hardware manufacturer, and are therefore not as unified. In fact, it's quite often bugs in manufacturer drivers that necessitate driver updates in Windows. A problem that Linux does not have (barring Nvidia/ATI drivers).
Unification on the desktop, though, is probably what you're referring to. That is not a Linux problem per se. It's a Gnome problem, or KDE problem, or whatever other GUI system problem ... in which case it's the fault of whoever wrote or designed that system, not Linux.
E, ana Libnene. (yes, I am Lebanese).
Cronulla is a beach suburb in the southern part of Sydney. Part of the Sutherland Shire. "The Shire", as it's commonly known, was known for its, ahem, insular ways and attitude. They were just not very exposed to different cultures.
Speaking as a not so young man of Middle Eastern appearance, I know that many young Middle Eastern men do act belligerent, rowdy, and aggressive. Friction between this type of group and young local residents was the catalyst for the riot, not any implicit association of terrorism. Both sides behaved very badly, and neither can truly be excused for their actions. The riot was a one-of-a-kind, and is definitely not considered typical behaviour for Australians.
These days, Cronulla is a little more open to different ethnic groups. Still not great, but much improved. I doubt that this type of riot would happen nowadays.
I am unfamiliar with this word "Fuck" that you constantly mention. Could you please define it?
Ubisoft aren't Assassins. They are Templars.
Case in point: The Templars are forcing their will on the world. The Assassins are trying to free the world from tyranny. Which group best matches Ubisoft DRM?