I think he meant that anyone can get a copy of CentOS and train themselves to acquire the necessary skills, so when they need a paid-for, licensed and supported linux, they go with RHEL.
Its a bit like how Microsoft sells technet subscriptions for next to nothing, so people can play with all the toys like active directory and exchange and learn how they work with some hands-on experience. Oh wait... like how Microsoft *used* to do that, dumbasses.
The suits wanted to buy licenses for RHEL to upgrade the nodes, the IT staff wanted to use CentOS
so the IT staff didn't want to use RHEL, they wanted something identical to RHEL instead.... stupid.
If it was just down to some anti-corporate kind of dumb thinking, then surely said IT staff should be handing back their salaries.. or do you think that by not paying RedHat did anything other than give your CEO a bigger bonus?
(but sure, RH should offer some bulk discounts, idiot salespeople)
the problem they're trying to solve is one where, in some unspecified future if someone comes up with a way of making textbooks more interactive by inserting multimedia and other content then Billy and Nath won't be able to assert their vague and speculative patent to extort loadsa cash.
By registering this vague and speculative patent, this problem gets solved! hurrah for the boost in innovation and economic prosperity (for Billy and Nath obviously, not the sucker who might actually come up with the innovation and hard work to make such technology work).
I look forward to next months survey, looking at active sites (not that parked site irrelevance) usage, Microsoft is on 12%, and nginx is at 11%.... not long and Google will host more sites than Microsoft too, that'll be newsworthy in some way (though mostly of relevance only to marketing droids)
IIRC, GoDaddy switched to IIS for these parked domains and a dip in Apache usage appeared, then reversed itself a year or so later... now its repeating.
Seems more like a money-making initiative fromGoDaddy, or a money-losing initiative from MS yet again. What's the chances history will repeat itself once the contract runs out...
to be fair... he was previously told it was not a problem:
said Armstrong earlier in the meeting: I also want to clear up the fact that leaking information or anything around Patch isn't going to bother me, doesn't bother me.
Scott Adams, you have a new character ready made for the series.
Redhat is the preferred linux distro for business servers. Mainly because it has that "support licencing available" feature that mangers love so much. Its also a very good distro that doesn't get updated so often that you'll always be managing it.
it does not offer unlimited CALs though, you still have to pay for them, and the cost of them is rising similarly. So you might be able to run 1000 VMs on a single physical server (please note, the cost is per processor, not per server), but all those users will start to look really expensive.
There is no Enterprise edition anymore either - Server 2012 has Datacentre, Standard, Essentials, and Foundation. The cost ratio is if you run 16 VMs per standard licence, so if you are running a 16 CPU server, you'd be able to run 16*8 = 128 VMs before datacentre becomes more cost-effective. Sounds like you still have to right licence, but you'll still have to factor in the CAL licences to work out how much it costs overall.
Note as well, you need 2012 CALs to access Server 2012.. 2008 CALs are useless so you'll still have to get your wallet out.
Nothing will really change - the people in charge of these things will simply fall back on their marketing departments to say "all is well" to their customers.
Its not until someone sues one of them for billions of dollars that that company's board will sit down and actually decide that spending some money on security, and more on marketing of course, is a good thing to do.
In the meantime, I'd say that a letter directly addressed to the CEO explaining how easy his devices are to compromise, and pointing out the massive financial implications to his company (and therefore his bonus and possibly even job) will be the only realistic way of getting through to these people. Remember most of them don't really care about what the company does, they only care about running that company. They're businessmen who "do business", and so you have to appeal to that aspect.
I guess the other problem is that your average CEO doesn't even know defcon exists.
I forgot to mention "and toiling in the fields all day so I can get rich off their backs", you still want to hook up, cos I have some holes that need digging.
I prefer my coffee like my women - sweet and white.
understandable, having set your search engine, it reverts back to some other one depending which box you type into... I can see why they did this. I can also see why they won't revert it as you can already use keywords (scroll down) to specify which engine to use.
I guess nobody really cared when it was first set like that because the default was Google.. imagine the outcry if it was Bing that got searched if you used the address bar!
Although it is kind of an interesting idea to consider a computer where there is no distinction between mass storage and RAM, where RAM is rewritable but permanent.
don't give them ideas, Windows already takes up many, many gigabytes of storage, and.NET apps take up many many many megabytes of memory... once you tell them they have a terabyte of RAM to use, they will do so! And then we'll all have to go and buy another memory stick just to run 2 of their apps simultaneously.:-)
yes, but were these people supplied by infosys? Probably not, because then you'd have a junior admin with 2 phds (from some backstreet 'university')
Experience trumps everything IMHO too, but if all you've got to go on is words on a piece of paper, then she's a good hire, until proven otherwise in interview. This is why you get so many untalented people with massive qualifications and 'experience' with anything and everything written on their CV.
Aye... on my work laptop (where I have as little "personal crap" as imaginable) I'm using 160gb. Sure, that does include the windows directory, but that's only 22gb.
to be fair to Java, it can allocate memory in much the same way as the stack does - the GC simply grabs another clock from the heap and returns it.
However, that's where the similarity ends. Java then has to maintain an indirection pointer to the memory, as java programs use this technique to get fast memory access, they tend to create a lot of objects, meaning lots of little allocations which end up scattered through the heap meaning lots of CPU cache misses requiring more memory fetches (hence the use of StringBuilder - see GC allocs aren't as good as everyone says they are or this class wouldn't exist). It also ends up with gaps in the memory heap which it has to resolve every so often by pausing the app and compacting the heap - ie copying huge chunks of memory about. Then it can continue allocating freely.
So the problem is that you have 1 case where it is nice and fast, almost as fast as using the stack in C/C++, but the disadvantages are massive. That's 1 reason why Java programs are slow.
If you didn't want to RTFA, it says they project it'll get somewhere between $18 to $22 million of the requested $32m.
(which ids damn good, $20m of real people's cash. Imagine what could happen if Google, Microsoft or Yahoo stopped buying stupid internet companies for many $billion and spent a fraction on stuff like this - or gave it to these kickstarters!)
Well, I didn't mean no change whatsoever, buut a more gradual change that takes the good stuff and makes it better - currently we have a cult of scrapping good systems for 'cool' new crap simply because its new..
there's also a certain level of new stuff that is important for edge areas, think NoSQL for example - but too many people have jumped on that as the next great thing that will drive old relational databases away... Want to code servers, well you should be using node.js. Want a GUI, it needs to be winforms; no, Silverlight; no WPF; no HTML5; no it needs to be WinRT-based XAML. This is just a tiny part of the problem, look at the industry as a whole as we churn technology almost every year in some places.
PS. that 15 year solution, assuming it was written properly and not to use all the latest, immature ideas that were around at the time, will quite often be the answer you wanted, maybe with a relatively small amount of extending and rework. Or do you think what we do today in terms of client-server computing is fundamentally any different to what we were doing 20 years ago. If you had a C++ solution back then, you didn't need to rework parts of it in Java, then PHP, then Ruby, then Node... but I know some people who have.
And if the work is not new, do I really want someone to write more boring code?
yes.
Part of the problem with the IT industry is the continual churn of 'new' stuff as everyone seeks to find ways to enhance their CVs. If we focussed on solving problems with existing tooling, we'd have a mature industry with standards and established practices, and have mature, stable products that worked!
Its the so-called smart developers that aren't happy with yesterday's solutions and want to rewrite it because they're often not smart enough to maintain existing code.Maybe the smart ones are the ones who do the work on boring code after all.
you know, that Microsoft needs is a marketing department that doesn't just say "its called.net, lets put the word.net on everything, Office.net, Visual Studio.net, SQLServer.net"... then, when showed that was such a mess they said "the new API is called WinRT, I know lets call the operating systems Windows RT too, no-one will be confused at that!", followed shortly by "can we get Bill back to do another advert where he wiggles his ass while holding a big sausage?"
Maybe they should stop getting drunk all the time and do some fricking professional marketing-type work.
just the assumption that people could tell the difference between a media conglomerate with an overreaching opinion of its' self worth and some other conglomerate with an overreaching opinion of its' self worth .
amen - the guy proudly says he lost several real-life friendships over this crap, and you think he might be the kind of guy who'll go to work one day with a shotgun? Well, I don't know, but it does seem he gets off much more with the notoriety than he does with human empathy.
Maybe we'll read about him in a few years when they catch him with a few body parts hacked up in his basement. But it'll be ok, 'cos he'll have made a load of great online friends while he was doing it.
Maybe EVE isn't the gaming role model we really want to encourage. Or maybe the problem with EVE is that its completely wild, they need a NPC federal marshal system to restrict the damage the outlaws can get away with, then they might learn something about real life interaction too that having an "I win" button isn't as much fun as it appears to the childish mind.
On the other side of it you can not tell me that VW didn't know that they had a security issue
which means they'll have a hard time in the courts if (or when) a VW gets hacked by someone doing a drive-by with a bluetooth device that can get access via a hack of the entertainment console.
Ars had a nice writeup of a hacker who had control of a car, they could turn the brakes on and make the steering wheel turn (via the commands that control the automatic parking feature).
The JVM is often used to write large amounts of business crud: Take a parameter, query a database, process a list. Make a service call, transform the result into a slightly different list, merge the results with a different service, then return. You could write that kind of computation in a functional way using Groovy or Scala in half the number of statements
unfortunately COBOL was invented to do these kind of operations with a handful of statements. The merge the list part is usually a single statement in COBOL.
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I think he meant that anyone can get a copy of CentOS and train themselves to acquire the necessary skills, so when they need a paid-for, licensed and supported linux, they go with RHEL.
Its a bit like how Microsoft sells technet subscriptions for next to nothing, so people can play with all the toys like active directory and exchange and learn how they work with some hands-on experience. Oh wait... like how Microsoft *used* to do that, dumbasses.
The suits wanted to buy licenses for RHEL to upgrade the nodes, the IT staff wanted to use CentOS
so the IT staff didn't want to use RHEL, they wanted something identical to RHEL instead.... stupid.
If it was just down to some anti-corporate kind of dumb thinking, then surely said IT staff should be handing back their salaries.. or do you think that by not paying RedHat did anything other than give your CEO a bigger bonus?
(but sure, RH should offer some bulk discounts, idiot salespeople)
the problem they're trying to solve is one where, in some unspecified future if someone comes up with a way of making textbooks more interactive by inserting multimedia and other content then Billy and Nath won't be able to assert their vague and speculative patent to extort loadsa cash.
By registering this vague and speculative patent, this problem gets solved! hurrah for the boost in innovation and economic prosperity (for Billy and Nath obviously, not the sucker who might actually come up with the innovation and hard work to make such technology work).
I look forward to next months survey, looking at active sites (not that parked site irrelevance) usage, Microsoft is on 12%, and nginx is at 11%.... not long and Google will host more sites than Microsoft too, that'll be newsworthy in some way (though mostly of relevance only to marketing droids)
IIRC, GoDaddy switched to IIS for these parked domains and a dip in Apache usage appeared, then reversed itself a year or so later... now its repeating.
Seems more like a money-making initiative fromGoDaddy, or a money-losing initiative from MS yet again. What's the chances history will repeat itself once the contract runs out...
well, don';t worry - now a team of soldiers will be endlessly ensuring the network is in place and working reliably.
to be fair... he was previously told it was not a problem:
said Armstrong earlier in the meeting:
I also want to clear up the fact that leaking information or anything around Patch isn't going to bother me, doesn't bother me.
Scott Adams, you have a new character ready made for the series.
Redhat is the preferred linux distro for business servers. Mainly because it has that "support licencing available" feature that mangers love so much. Its also a very good distro that doesn't get updated so often that you'll always be managing it.
it does not offer unlimited CALs though, you still have to pay for them, and the cost of them is rising similarly. So you might be able to run 1000 VMs on a single physical server (please note, the cost is per processor, not per server), but all those users will start to look really expensive.
There is no Enterprise edition anymore either - Server 2012 has Datacentre, Standard, Essentials, and Foundation. The cost ratio is if you run 16 VMs per standard licence, so if you are running a 16 CPU server, you'd be able to run 16*8 = 128 VMs before datacentre becomes more cost-effective. Sounds like you still have to right licence, but you'll still have to factor in the CAL licences to work out how much it costs overall.
Note as well, you need 2012 CALs to access Server 2012.. 2008 CALs are useless so you'll still have to get your wallet out.
Nothing will really change - the people in charge of these things will simply fall back on their marketing departments to say "all is well" to their customers.
Its not until someone sues one of them for billions of dollars that that company's board will sit down and actually decide that spending some money on security, and more on marketing of course, is a good thing to do.
In the meantime, I'd say that a letter directly addressed to the CEO explaining how easy his devices are to compromise, and pointing out the massive financial implications to his company (and therefore his bonus and possibly even job) will be the only realistic way of getting through to these people. Remember most of them don't really care about what the company does, they only care about running that company. They're businessmen who "do business", and so you have to appeal to that aspect.
I guess the other problem is that your average CEO doesn't even know defcon exists.
I forgot to mention "and toiling in the fields all day so I can get rich off their backs", you still want to hook up, cos I have some holes that need digging.
I prefer my coffee like my women - sweet and white.
Am I the only one who read the headline and thought of Al Gore?
ob. joke.. I like my coffee like my men - strong and black.
understandable, having set your search engine, it reverts back to some other one depending which box you type into... I can see why they did this. I can also see why they won't revert it as you can already use keywords (scroll down) to specify which engine to use.
I guess nobody really cared when it was first set like that because the default was Google.. imagine the outcry if it was Bing that got searched if you used the address bar!
Although it is kind of an interesting idea to consider a computer where there is no distinction between mass storage and RAM, where RAM is rewritable but permanent.
don't give them ideas, Windows already takes up many, many gigabytes of storage, and .NET apps take up many many many megabytes of memory... once you tell them they have a terabyte of RAM to use, they will do so! And then we'll all have to go and buy another memory stick just to run 2 of their apps simultaneously. :-)
yes, but were these people supplied by infosys? Probably not, because then you'd have a junior admin with 2 phds (from some backstreet 'university')
Experience trumps everything IMHO too, but if all you've got to go on is words on a piece of paper, then she's a good hire, until proven otherwise in interview. This is why you get so many untalented people with massive qualifications and 'experience' with anything and everything written on their CV.
Aye... on my work laptop (where I have as little "personal crap" as imaginable) I'm using 160gb. Sure, that does include the windows directory, but that's only 22gb.
Maybe he doesn't do much work!
to be fair to Java, it can allocate memory in much the same way as the stack does - the GC simply grabs another clock from the heap and returns it.
However, that's where the similarity ends. Java then has to maintain an indirection pointer to the memory, as java programs use this technique to get fast memory access, they tend to create a lot of objects, meaning lots of little allocations which end up scattered through the heap meaning lots of CPU cache misses requiring more memory fetches (hence the use of StringBuilder - see GC allocs aren't as good as everyone says they are or this class wouldn't exist). It also ends up with gaps in the memory heap which it has to resolve every so often by pausing the app and compacting the heap - ie copying huge chunks of memory about. Then it can continue allocating freely.
So the problem is that you have 1 case where it is nice and fast, almost as fast as using the stack in C/C++, but the disadvantages are massive. That's 1 reason why Java programs are slow.
If you didn't want to RTFA, it says they project it'll get somewhere between $18 to $22 million of the requested $32m.
(which ids damn good, $20m of real people's cash. Imagine what could happen if Google, Microsoft or Yahoo stopped buying stupid internet companies for many $billion and spent a fraction on stuff like this - or gave it to these kickstarters!)
Well, I didn't mean no change whatsoever, buut a more gradual change that takes the good stuff and makes it better - currently we have a cult of scrapping good systems for 'cool' new crap simply because its new..
there's also a certain level of new stuff that is important for edge areas, think NoSQL for example - but too many people have jumped on that as the next great thing that will drive old relational databases away... Want to code servers, well you should be using node.js. Want a GUI, it needs to be winforms; no, Silverlight; no WPF; no HTML5; no it needs to be WinRT-based XAML. This is just a tiny part of the problem, look at the industry as a whole as we churn technology almost every year in some places.
PS. that 15 year solution, assuming it was written properly and not to use all the latest, immature ideas that were around at the time, will quite often be the answer you wanted, maybe with a relatively small amount of extending and rework. Or do you think what we do today in terms of client-server computing is fundamentally any different to what we were doing 20 years ago. If you had a C++ solution back then, you didn't need to rework parts of it in Java, then PHP, then Ruby, then Node... but I know some people who have.
And if the work is not new, do I really want someone to write more boring code?
yes.
Part of the problem with the IT industry is the continual churn of 'new' stuff as everyone seeks to find ways to enhance their CVs. If we focussed on solving problems with existing tooling, we'd have a mature industry with standards and established practices, and have mature, stable products that worked!
Its the so-called smart developers that aren't happy with yesterday's solutions and want to rewrite it because they're often not smart enough to maintain existing code.Maybe the smart ones are the ones who do the work on boring code after all.
you know, that Microsoft needs is a marketing department that doesn't just say "its called .net, lets put the word .net on everything, Office.net, Visual Studio.net, SQLServer.net"... then, when showed that was such a mess they said "the new API is called WinRT, I know lets call the operating systems Windows RT too, no-one will be confused at that!", followed shortly by "can we get Bill back to do another advert where he wiggles his ass while holding a big sausage?"
Maybe they should stop getting drunk all the time and do some fricking professional marketing-type work.
just the assumption that people could tell the difference between a media conglomerate with an overreaching opinion of its' self worth and some other conglomerate with an overreaching opinion of its' self worth .
there, FTFY.
amen - the guy proudly says he lost several real-life friendships over this crap, and you think he might be the kind of guy who'll go to work one day with a shotgun? Well, I don't know, but it does seem he gets off much more with the notoriety than he does with human empathy.
Maybe we'll read about him in a few years when they catch him with a few body parts hacked up in his basement. But it'll be ok, 'cos he'll have made a load of great online friends while he was doing it.
Maybe EVE isn't the gaming role model we really want to encourage. Or maybe the problem with EVE is that its completely wild, they need a NPC federal marshal system to restrict the damage the outlaws can get away with, then they might learn something about real life interaction too that having an "I win" button isn't as much fun as it appears to the childish mind.
On the other side of it you can not tell me that VW didn't know that they had a security issue
which means they'll have a hard time in the courts if (or when) a VW gets hacked by someone doing a drive-by with a bluetooth device that can get access via a hack of the entertainment console.
Ars had a nice writeup of a hacker who had control of a car, they could turn the brakes on and make the steering wheel turn (via the commands that control the automatic parking feature).
The JVM is often used to write large amounts of business crud: Take a parameter, query a database, process a list. Make a service call, transform the result into a slightly different list, merge the results with a different service, then return. You could write that kind of computation in a functional way using Groovy or Scala in half the number of statements
unfortunately COBOL was invented to do these kind of operations with a handful of statements. The merge the list part is usually a single statement in COBOL.
So Java is not as good as Cobol :)