net view > machinelist.txt
take that list and generate another script that basically does
net use v:\\machinename\c$
dir/s/b *.nws,*.msg > infected.txt
Then just import that text file into excel, add the del cmd before each entry and export it to a space delimited file. Then just rename the file into a batch script.
Of course I do realize, nimda does overwrite critical networking files, but if those machines are dead on the network, chances are they wont be infecting anyone else.
It's not MS fault this happened, it happened because someone really immature knows that the laws to prosecute these types of crimes are not really in place at the moment. So writing this virus was fun for them, but hell for us today. The bad guy is the virus writer, just remember that.
It's not going to matter what o/s it is if someone can write a virus, root kit, whatever for it. Just so happens more people are writing them for MS.
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Somewhere along the great evolution of the net, two sides developed.
The.gov, where accountability based on responsibility was developed.
The.edu where immature minds wanted to buck the system.
These were the two parallel forces that drove the internet up until the 90's when the net was mainstream for everyone. Yet the two mindsets definetly
contradict one another in goals.
Since the 09-11-01 things are going to change. You say your a geek? Ok what kind? Are you 10 in 100 in your family/friends/co-worker group? We only represent %10 percent. In that %10 percent this
issue is going to be split 50/50. Add in.com interests and it goes even lower.
Majority is going to make it happen. It's time we laid to rest this myth of "we're allowed to not be accountable for what we do on the net because it's all virtual" Virtual my ass, I
got to fix it when it breaks, I got to have some accountability if someone does something illegal on my server. What if someone puts a link to my site to the
funniest joke in
the world and kills somebody? Well that joke is bogus, but kiddie porn
isn't. Maybe I'm just getting on in my years and starting to think we need more
responsibility on the net. As an adult, I've sort of accepted the fact
when things need to change, even if I don't like it, I have to change to cover
my own butt.
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>>You can't reinstall data.
LOL yeah that sucks, I remember a 20 meg MFM drive going out on my old 2 line wildcat board ended my BBS hobby. My equipment at the time was mainly hand me down, except for the extra 2400 baud modem which I had spent weeks saving up for.
I'm gonna get you to agree on one of my points if it kills me.
>>because Windows 95 thought it wasn't needed.
95/98/me was dosshell.com renamed into win.exe. dosshell was a stripped down version of win1.0 (remember the neat little 8086 add on card they gave you with that?)
Anyways NT is how MS does things right. VMS blows Dos, away. Remember, dos had that little 640k thing, VMS didn't. 3.51 was ok, 4.0 was a bit better. 2k was done right sans the recent wave of IIS exploits.
Now here's a funny story about XP. My bud and his girl came over the other night, they're support people like us. We were talking about XP when she said, "It's all colorful and bright like a kindergartner painting, it's anoying as hell"
Just two minutes earlier we had discussed the similarities between being a sysadmin and babysitting.
"Did you look at your users?" I said.
"It's annoying as hell!" She replied.
"Did you look at your users?" I said.
"It's annoying as hell!" She replied.
The joke went over her head 6 or 7 times until her b/f spelled it out for her.
XP has some very nice stuff in it that actually works. Networking profiles, blank cd's are treated just like a floppy, web integration.
Ease of use for the average user. You and I are usually what, 1 for every 100 employees? So that makes us in the top %1 of users that know that every OS has partitions, some place in the OS to configure things, new hardware needs drivers, and IP networking involves a minimal of 4 sets of numbers (gw ip sm dns). YEAH THATS EASY FOR US MAN WE'RE GEEKS. It's allmost like being able to speak several launguages because we understand the fundamentals of language. The other %99 percent does not understand this.
You and I both have come across some very dense users in the course of our careers. How many times have you seen some exec completly flip when he didn't know where something was? Exec's pride themselves on having intuition (god especially CEO's) Windows has constantly evolved towards these people. The top %1 can form a search expression on a single shell line "dir *.txt/s" but they cannot. For them, start>search>files or folders *.txt is intuative(most get confused by * though).
Sure MS has played unfair, a judge dropped his gavel and it is law.
Yet without their borg like mentality, they would have never accomplished what they have. I've seen a lot of open source projects go through 2 or 3 revisions, then they get dropped before they could even be considered a stable alpha.
WordPerfect is good, but not as good as Office2k. There is too much training involved for anyone using WP. Things like setting up macro's, adding words to a spell check. Me as a sysadmin, I don't want to waste time creating a trained version. Anyways its not what my executive want's. He/she want's their company logo and default documents maybe, even then most of the time they're just concerned with stability and why this program keeps crashing or how do I do this or my personal favorite, "Hey bob just a really quick question" that turns into a 30 minute volley of questioning.
It gives me a lot less prep work, and if MS had to step on a bunch of toes to bring me their products, i'm happy for them cause somebody, anybody did it right. IBM should have been more agressive and competitivly priced OS/2 and countered MS's anti compete discounts with their own. It's not MS's fault big blue stuck with their normal mentality of "we're big blue and invincable" (sounds like something a cape wearing superhero might yell lol)
I like alternative o/s's but it depends on what job I want to do. If I want a router, couple of netcards, a router on floppy distro, and a 20 dollar pentium at the goodwill will do the trick. MS is great at wearing many different hats at once with a huge library of software that I don't have to train. After a long day of training humans, I don't want to go home and use my PC for more training. I want to go home and play GOOD games. Maybe catch up on my/. debates, or drink a beer and watch some killer 3D accelerated winamp plugins and just vegitate. Fuck having to tweak my system. I do that all day long on many different platforms, gets old after a while.
MS is cool, that wouldnt happen to be a IE browser you're using would it:P
>>when Worf told us that something happened to change their appearance that "we don't like to talk about".
I'm gonna use conspiracy theory here. From what we know in this first episode, genetic mutation is abundant in STE's time. My guess is that a group of the Klingon race will suffer from "Humanoid Envy" and will seek cosmetic surgery to make them appear more human/vulcan like.
>>And Picard told us that the war with the Klingons was sparked by a botched first contact with them. But that contact didn't seem to be botched.
Actually, we don't know that for sure unless we speak klingon. We did get bit's and peices (The downed Klingon was pissed he didn't die) So the humans saving his life might actually be comitting a "klingon social faux pau". My guess is the klingons now view humans as a race that does not have respect for the sanctity of their ways.
Anyways thats what I think is going on. I thought the show was great. Then again i'm a second generation trekkie:P
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NO NO AND NO
He purposely was poking around for a exploit, he found the exploit and purposely used it to gain access INTO A PLACE HE WAS CLEARLY NOT SUPPOSED TO BE. On top of that he was from a competing ISP.
How much clearer does it need to be that that? He broke (exploited) and entered(rooted) Nobody asked him to look for exploits on the system. HE DID IT WITHOUT PERMISSION. Consider this guy part of the winds of change. The cracking community needs to realize that working admins are sick of seeing port scans DAILY across their firewalls, and the laws are going to change very soon. For the better IMHO.
Before people go and assume things about the show lets see what we got
stacked up so far. Production Quality From the moment that klingon fired his phaser at the corn silo, you could
see effects qualities on par with not so recent films such as twister.
The letterbox Format was sweet on my non HDTV tv, I know UPN does broadcast
digital so it was probably on par with a full theater production for those with
the proper setup. The explosion was very nicely done with many particles
flying everywhere. Question is, how did they do that? Set's actually
pulled you into the storyline. You could tell attention to detail was the
primary goal of the directors. Makeup was great as was the props. It was a
completely new look that had no resemblance to ST STNG STDSN, well none of em..
Awesome! Storyline The story at this point seems to revolve around scott bakula's character,
with his flashbacks to his childhood where his father is the inventor of the
warp 4.5 engine. He holds a very visible (and at one point very vocal!)
attitudes towards Vulcan's for not giving his father the equivalent of killing
the goose. First episode, he got into fist fights, used the first phaser,
got acid trails, got some nookie, AND on top of all this had badass space battle
scenes. It was all glued together very well, the plot was not as predictable as
I thought it was going to be. My Thoughts I'm amazed to see Scott Bakula playing such a physically demanding role. I
hope the writers understand that this is his ticket, ACTION AND FIGHTING W00T.
Kirk and Spock were best buddies, Vulcan's and humans had hung out for 200 years
by then. Captain archers distain and Commander archer's relationship
blended together well, but lacked the friendship aspect that Kirk and
Spock had. You could tell that Sneaky Vulcan is going to have more secrets
throughout the show. I predict he basic elements of the show (weekly focus
change to different characters, new species, new planets) will remain the same.
Star trek is about a voyage of discovery. And a question to paramount webserver admins. I went to the website and found myself
asking. What was the server load?
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No understand what he did, he was poking around for exploits, and broke the system to gain entry to a part of the system he wasn't supposed to be in. On top of that he was from a competing ISP. His defense is as lame as, "Gee sorry governor, I pulled the gun to see if it was loaded I didn't mean to shoot him"
Breaking and Entering. Open and shut as that. He has a criminal mindset and needs to be rehabilitated.
>>But the thing is you have to stop beating MS's drum
Hey, if it wasn't for that o/s crappin out on people all the time, I couldn't have made a career from fixin it. It got me a house, car, everything you ever wanted to have as a kid when you grew up.
You and I are definetly looking at this from our own perspectives. I guess if I had worked at IBM with the os/2 warp team I would be singing a different tune right now since my whole career would be based on it, but my career has been MS based, and it has been rewarding for me. That's why I beat the drum:)
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I'm just blown away by the fact people actually defend this guy! We all have to start changing our view on security breaches by bringing in real life analogies.
If this guy had gone to the front door of his competing ISP, noticed it was unlocked and then walked in, HE WOULD BE GUILTY OF BREAKING AND ENTERING.
The whole underground movement of "lets push doors to see what's open and make ourselves look good by admitting to breaking and entering" isn't going to cut it anymore in this post terrorism world. He committed a crime plain and simple, doesn't matter if the key was copper or RSA. You are not a good neighbor if you are constantly looking for ways to break into my house. Especially if I don't even know you!!
It's true, people do need to check their firewalls and whatever other security means they have for exploits, but it does not give anyone a license to go willy nilly on the net looking for exploitable systems. If someone has a system infected by nimda and you see their IP coming across your firewall, yes call them. That's OK cause you are not breaking or entering.
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Where did that sentance say I was linking to an article, go out and buy a copy. BTW only charma whore's post as anonymous cowards. I take full responsibility for my posts, even if I know they will get modded down to -1. You sir obviously do not stand behind your comment otherwise you wouldn't have posted anonymously, therefore it is you that is the luser.
Man you really remind me of someone I used to work with named K.D. (he was a OS/2 freak, we worked together at ricochet support, btw if those are your initals this is R.C.) Anyways this is cool, I like getting into these debaticals with people willing to use good points to support their arguments, lets continue:)
>>Windows 98 has 71 floppies.
Win98 was released years after os/2. win3.1 came about the time of os/2 and that was what... 7 floppies + the 3 floppies for dos? I gotta admit though, very cool being able to play games while installing.
>>It was Lotus 123 and Wordperfect, DBAse and XYZ Word, that brought the PC's into general application.
No that only made it mainstream in the business world. You prolly got about 10 years on me agewise so let me explain what I mean about mainstream.
Ever watch malcolm in the middle? In the late 70's and early 80's that was me. We only had 1 computer in the school (commodore pet) and I used to spend all my time on it. Jr. High was appleIIe's, again the school only had 2 of em, all of my friends from back then did not accept my geekness until they started buying windows machines as adults. Being the geek I am, they would bring me broken boxes for fixin, that is what got geekness it's acceptance. Sure windows is buggy and unstable, I'll be the first to admit that, but it created a need for people like you and me and that is what got us accepted by our previously,"I would never touch a pc" friends.
>>It's a silly company that runs more than one system on their network, be it DOS, Windows, OS/2 Linux, or Apple. Multi-OS networks dont gel in the workplace.
I agree, so what was your answer? Lemme guess, all MS right? (hmm yummy dave for el maco's to make it integrate with the wintel world)
>>"Why Linux is losing the desktop war"
Check the latest issue of wired. http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/9.10/full.html
>>It was actually based on what you had said. I mean, you can't be really inspired to denote $5 money yourself to the WTC, but happy for MS to send the same amount (of time earnings), to the same thing.
I got a little american flag and some cookies for donating my blood, since the.com crash sysadmin jobs in silicon valley are allmost non-existant now, and i've been lookin since jan, so money is tight, but i got 8 pints:) I did what I could. You really gotta quit makin personal presumtions about me and just stick to the debate OK?
>>The other thing is that MS has been getting some very BAD publicity in relation to WTC. You see, the FlightSim is a fairly accurate representation of many cities, and provides a fairly easy way to learn your way around the skylines of a city. This point has not been lost on Sky TV.
LOL is this really true? Give me a link I gotta see it with my own eyes before I belive it LOL ROTF.
>>Yes, it's all about Money. The price of a MS licence was considerably less if you promised to exclude competition. So no-one even got a lookin. Check out the DR-DOS case for details on this.
I know all about it (i think) basically MS included some code so win3.1 would not install on a DR.Dos machine. Isn't that fair play? I mean jeesh Dos can't read HPFS (which btw I don't understand why it isn't implemented in more places, a fat table in the middle of the platter.. what a great idea!)
>>People, given the sort of help, generally do not make the investment with whateve they got, and as a result, just stay with the bad bunch. Most of the users I have encountered don't use their word processer any thing that wordpad could not do.
Again I go back to my point of a single vendor for all your products. Me myself, I hardly use word, I like notepad. When I do my/. posts if i'm including links i'll use frontpage. It's not neccisarily a bad thing to dance with who you came with.
One of my major beef's with the Linux community in general has been their
fanatical anti.gov and.mil views. I've always thought of it as being
unpatriotic to bring down the net, via dos attacks, defacing a.gov website. Or
just generally being an asshole to anyone who is running a Redmond product on
their desktop. This
issue of wired does a pretty good job of summarizing all the "bad
stuff" that has plagued this community. Really take the time to read
the article and understand it before you start tossing flames.
With that said, I think this is a great oppertunity for the linux scene in
general to get a chance to grow out of their stereotype, and actually become the
hero's of the computing world, heck the world. It's all about putting your
money where your mouth is. Imagine seeing a story like this in the news..
Dec, 31st 2001, San Francisco CA
Nuclear disaster was averted new years eve when a group of hackers listening in
on alphanumeric pager transmission foiled a plot by the teleban to detonate a
nuclear bomb in the middle of the cities finacial district. Working with the FBI
and the CIA
I'm gonna stop because thats fantasy at this point, but IT COULD
HAPPEN. If you are a patriotic american, and you care about linux, you
need to step up to the plate and give the.gov a hand. Instead of making fun of
their shortcomings. Remember, this could change everything.
>>There are any number of ways to automate preparing a PC for a user, ranging from automated install scripts
Yeah I know this, but automation really depends on what the corporate controller says you can use as a desktop standard. One company I worked at had all screwdriver shop PC's (300 of em) all with diverse hardware configurations. I did automate the install process (boot floppy, mount a network share, run setup, make a few entries in the runonce part of the registry) even though it was automated, installing everything (including office and corporate apps) still took 3 hours. Also to note, this company had no respect for IT and basically the entire dev team controlled what we did. Ghost would not work here.
>>Besides, you ought to have a clue about this: the slander that allegedly led you to lose your job could just as easily land you in jail in future, with laws like these. Be careful what you wish for.
I'm glad I actually took the time to read that, I almost mistook it for a flame but you're right! I must concede on that point alone.
It really depends on where you work I guess. If you work for a company where IT isn't looked upon as a gigantic black hole where money goes and never returns, then yes, everything you outlined would be true. Believe me though, companies like the one you work for are a minority.
Funniest thing I ever heard a developer say is "lets use yahoo for our corporate mail and calendar software"
I bounced from 4 jobs last year, it was a very turmultious time for me and the wife.
Job#1 Company imploded when the CEO moved the office from sunnyvale to alameda. What was a 10-15 minute commute turned into a 1.5 hour commute down the 880 hellhole. Then he bought his concubine a condo on alameda island. My last month there was spent secretly reading his inbox, as well as the beancounters quickbooks. Turned out he hired a mole to spy on us, make sure that nobody was onto his scams. After seeing the shape the company was in, I warned a couple of people of the impending implosion. I bailed out when they started telling me they wanted me on hourly. I got out of there with a celeron computer, a box of cat5, few other little odds and ends. Company did implode and everyone got pink slips.
Job#2 Things went well for about 5 months, then I started noticing my boss giving me death march assignments, making more demands on me. I put my resume out there and was offered a job for 30k more than I was making. I got out of there with 2 atx cases, a couple of 10k RPM LVD drives, about 384megs of sims and dims.
Job#3 These people were cool. About my second month into the job we all talked (my boss and CIO) I told them flat out don't B.S. me just give it to me straight and they did. They let me work until I found a new job, making 4k more than before. I decided not to do anything because they were actully decent to me and I respected that.
Job#4 Things seemed great at first, but quickly declined from there. I started noticing incoming netbios connections on my computer. I quickly defined some win2k rules to stop anyone but me from making connections. When I asked my boss why the company was going through my computer (usually a sign that they are looking for something to fire you for) he told me i was being paranoid and to forget about it. 2 weeks later I was handed a pink slip. I knew it was coming so I got out of there with 2 thinkpads, a monitor, a bunch of NT CAL's and some original win2k server media.
Now I did something smart with all this stuff, rather than leaving myself open to scrutiny from the local law enforcement agency, I donated all of this stuff to freinds who are dirt poor. In turn it has changed their lives for the better. When I say dirt poor I mean they are living in the ghetto's of silicon valley. So yeah, these former employers can bitch all they want, but they'll never find there equipment at my house mwahaahahaha.
Now there is an old Italian proverb that goes well here, dead men dont talk. In dot com terms, dead companies dont talk either.
>>I am not a Linux person, I am an OS/2 person. Have you ever heard of Team-OS/2? Yes, I worked on a front line support position for many different systems for 15 years, and no, I don't say read the manual.
Ok again I go back to my point of ease of use. If I remember correctly, warp had what.. 28 floppies? I hardly call that an easy install. True it was leaps and bounds better than win3.1 as far as stability was concerned, but it was a pain in the $@$%* finding any software for it. IBM released 1 game for the o/s... I hardly call that supporting their own product. Oh yeah I forgot, novell release groupwise server for it.. big woop.
> Linux was not responsible for mainstream geek acceptance. That honor goes to wintel.
>>It's actually DOS that gets the honour. All the standard fixes that people report about Windows don't actually work under Windows, but they do under DOS.
Nono & NO. Let's not argue this one, we're both wrong here. That honor goes to mac. GUI's in general made PC's mainstream, mac was the first to have one.
>>You think that MS is a good guy because they give 30 minutes of their time for free publicity and stick their name in the news. If you gave $10 millions, they would just pass you over in the news.
I dont think so, alladin systems was mentioned, they were giving way less than 10mil, HP was mentioned for 3 mill. A few private donators were mentioned too. Like I said, put up or shut up linux.
Of course it's a PR thing, but at the same time think about all the GOOD it will be doing. Are you so anti MS fanatical that you would deny these people the help simply because the money came from MS? Now before you get pissed and rip of a flame, I was just askin, not accusing, I know you don't truly feel that way, nobody would deny these people help (cept that asshole osama)
I don't really know if it was a PR thing either, considering the shaky ground the tech sector has been on for the last year, how can any of these companies afford to give like they are? I know for a fact HP is planning layoff's, not sure about MS but the point i'm trying to make is this, they are scraping together what they can for a very good humanitarian reason. I don't know of a single person, male or female that was not brought to tears from the WTC pictures. I really don't think it was a PR motivated move.
>>You must have lead a sheltered life.
Was that a presumtion or were you farting from the mouth?
>>why can't you buy a computer at your local shop with OS/2, DRDOS, or BeOS on it, when these were big threats.
Do you really know the answer? I think you're the sheltered one. It's all about the money. None of the formentioned O/S's were ever a threat to MS simply because they lacked application support. MS made their own o/s, their own productivity suite, even their own browser (OK well they bought spyglass but thats another story). It gave people a 1 vendor solution. You should know all about 1 vendor solutions with your IBM background.
>>and no, I don't say read the manual.
Trust me, I got the same attitude when it comes to any support, but thats you and me, and its documented even in the latest issue of wired about all the RTFM shitheads out there. Even the cover says, "Why Linux is losing the desktop war"
That's a pretty bold statement, the article explains everything i've been sayin all along.
Ok, do this for me, if you work in a cubical corral. Look over your cube and tell me the # of desktops running any of these "alternative" operating systems. Less than you could count on 1 hand? I thought so.
>>Why if they are not competant enough to clean their own machine are they using W2K?
First off, mr. phone jockey, this friend is a med student, not a CS student. Tell you what, next time your bleeding from the gut, just ask one of your tech support buddies to fix you up.
>>You might consider how revealing your comments can be about your own level of intelligence, before posting.
You might consider what shame you bring down on your country by leading into the canuck stereotype of "All canucks are egotistical assholes"
Actually, a Kids in the Hall skit said it best, "Without your queen, your just americans" I think you hit your head one too many times with a hockey stick you hosehead.
Anyways, slashdot is a democracy, and protected by free speech, we're supposed to comment on articles, and each others post. Not throw personal insults at one another.
>>However, scrawling "I love you Crystal" or some such on some web page is not terrorism.
If I spraypainted, "I love Crystal" on your house wouldn't that be enough for you to want my ass in a sling?
How do you think a sysadmin (usually 1 per 200 employees) feels when he's been a victim of such an attack? Think about how it makes him/her look to the entire company, a website defacement is something EVERYONE in the company knows about, unlike something simple like a network printer going down.
And don't give me the excuse "Oh they should have been better at their job" Look man, unless you've been in that position, you got no idea just how busy sysadmin life can get. Most coders don't even give a second thought to how LONG it takes to prepare a PC for a user.
You cannot really count just what damage something like this can do to someone's career. I got shittcanned cause someone outside the company that didn't agree with my views and thought it would be a funny joke to call my work and say I was a security risk. The company I was working for was looking for any excuse they could find to layoff people so it made me a real easy target.
So no, defacement, slander, is not funny, it's not a joke when you lose your job a week after buying your house. It may be a fun game to some little zit faced 15 year old cracker, but it has real life consequences that go far beyong "I love you crystal"
MS marches on windows banner waving in the air.
Stomping over penguins allmost everywhere.
It's enough to give a slashdotter a good scare.
XP's source code cannot be found anywhere.
Bill Gates is Deploying again.
Glory glory here comes the upgrades
Glory glory here comes the user training
Glory Glory we gotta upgrade all the pc's
Cause the boss read XP will save him money! (which is BS)
I'm sorry I just don't see how a free O/S generates tax revenue. Like I said, lets see VA or RH or debian or any of the other linux distro's step up to the plate, otherwise your whole reply is just talk.
money for MS = protect monopoly
Ok why do people keep saying MS is a monopoly? People use it because it's just plain simpler to use. Just about anyone with an opposable thumb can pop open the CD drive and install. WHEEE!
free Linux = money for people to spend.
Your not counting how much a good unix tech costs these days, not free. What about the costs associated with training your IT staff for linux? What if your codebase is from someone that no longer wants to work on their open source project? You hire more programmers, basically fscked every way till tuesday.
>>Linux = saved money = power for the people
No our power is from our taxes, thats why we have paved highways and a mighty military. It's why america is the one country everyone wants to come too.
I just don't get it with you linux people. Have you ever in YOU LIFE been in either a Systems administrator or Lan Administrator position where you had to give support? Oh yeah I forgot the linux credo.... RTFM
At least with my $189 purchase of XP it comes with some tech support. Any tech that says they have never needed help is LYING. I got 3 Linux books, learned linux by myself, every linux person I talked to about a problem I was having while learning, allways gave me the same response.. RTFM, man pages, --help.
So now I can set up a samba server, do fun stuff with bind, build my own distro on a floppy, all kinds of neat stuff. My opinion, yeah its a nice toy. I wouldnt give it to any of my users in a million years though.
The one thing that really gets me about MS bashing is nobody gives credit where credit is due. Back in my schoolboy days, I was an outcast for being a computer geek (6502's remember those?) I would spend every moment I could in our 2 computer lab (both appleIIE yuck) It wasn't until the 1990's when MS took over the world that my hobby was accepted and even admired. Linux did not do that for us. Linux was not responsible for mainstream geek acceptance. That honor goes to wintel.
Sure it's easy to be a charma whore, and go with the rest of the mindless linux zealots out there on/., but bashing MS is not going to make linux popular any time soon. It's the one weakness the whole community has and it's going to bite them in the ass one day. I don't see Be, QNX, IBM (os/2), or anyone else out there blaming anything on MS. They just plug away and hope people see the merits of their OS. (Be > Linux)
>>How much did they give to victims of failed companies.
When are the slashdot editors going to stop posting anti-ms crap like this?
I just heard on tech now (bay area syndicated technology show) that MS is giving 5 million in cash, 5 million in hardware/software and service.
This is gonna get modded troll or flame I know it.
Has redhat or VA systems or any linux company donated anything except more anti ms lip?
Yes ms costs money, that money is taxed, and those taxes will be used for the war efforts. Be a patriot, Buy MS. Linux = 0 to the economy.
>> 2. People using NT/2000 often don't even realize they have exposed ports. The worst of the Code Red/Nimda infections are coming from machines on Cable/DSL...home users who probably don't even know their machine is a server.
My freind caught it being on MSN dialup on his 2k machine. Isn't that funny? Cmon moderators I need the points!!
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net view > machinelist.txt
/s /b *.nws,*.msg > infected.txt
take that list and generate another script that basically does
net use v:\\machinename\c$
dir
Then just import that text file into excel, add the del cmd before each entry and export it to a space delimited file. Then just rename the file into a batch script.
Of course I do realize, nimda does overwrite critical networking files, but if those machines are dead on the network, chances are they wont be infecting anyone else.
It's not MS fault this happened, it happened because someone really immature knows that the laws to prosecute these types of crimes are not really in place at the moment. So writing this virus was fun for them, but hell for us today. The bad guy is the virus writer, just remember that.
It's not going to matter what o/s it is if someone can write a virus, root kit, whatever for it. Just so happens more people are writing them for MS.
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A good sysadmin is a lazy one.
mod this up its funny
so is this...
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Somewhere along the great evolution of the net, two sides developed.
.gov, where accountability based on responsibility was developed.
.edu where immature minds wanted to buck the system.
.com interests and it goes even lower.
The
The
These were the two parallel forces that drove the internet up until the 90's when the net was mainstream for everyone. Yet the two mindsets definetly contradict one another in goals.
Since the 09-11-01 things are going to change. You say your a geek? Ok what kind? Are you 10 in 100 in your family/friends/co-worker group? We only represent %10 percent. In that %10 percent this issue is going to be split 50/50. Add in
Majority is going to make it happen. It's time we laid to rest this myth of "we're allowed to not be accountable for what we do on the net because it's all virtual" Virtual my ass, I got to fix it when it breaks, I got to have some accountability if someone does something illegal on my server. What if someone puts a link to my site to the funniest joke in the world and kills somebody? Well that joke is bogus, but kiddie porn isn't. Maybe I'm just getting on in my years and starting to think we need more responsibility on the net. As an adult, I've sort of accepted the fact when things need to change, even if I don't like it, I have to change to cover my own butt.
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>>You can't reinstall data.
/s" but they cannot. For them, start>search>files or folders *.txt is intuative(most get confused by * though).
/. debates, or drink a beer and watch some killer 3D accelerated winamp plugins and just vegitate. Fuck having to tweak my system. I do that all day long on many different platforms, gets old after a while.
:P
LOL yeah that sucks, I remember a 20 meg MFM drive going out on my old 2 line wildcat board ended my BBS hobby. My equipment at the time was mainly hand me down, except for the extra 2400 baud modem which I had spent weeks saving up for.
I'm gonna get you to agree on one of my points if it kills me.
>>because Windows 95 thought it wasn't needed.
95/98/me was dosshell.com renamed into win.exe. dosshell was a stripped down version of win1.0 (remember the neat little 8086 add on card they gave you with that?)
Anyways NT is how MS does things right. VMS blows Dos, away. Remember, dos had that little 640k thing, VMS didn't. 3.51 was ok, 4.0 was a bit better. 2k was done right sans the recent wave of IIS exploits.
Now here's a funny story about XP. My bud and his girl came over the other night, they're support people like us. We were talking about XP when she said, "It's all colorful and bright like a kindergartner painting, it's anoying as hell"
Just two minutes earlier we had discussed the similarities between being a sysadmin and babysitting.
"Did you look at your users?" I said.
"It's annoying as hell!" She replied.
"Did you look at your users?" I said.
"It's annoying as hell!" She replied.
The joke went over her head 6 or 7 times until her b/f spelled it out for her.
XP has some very nice stuff in it that actually works. Networking profiles, blank cd's are treated just like a floppy, web integration.
Ease of use for the average user. You and I are usually what, 1 for every 100 employees? So that makes us in the top %1 of users that know that every OS has partitions, some place in the OS to configure things, new hardware needs drivers, and IP networking involves a minimal of 4 sets of numbers (gw ip sm dns). YEAH THATS EASY FOR US MAN WE'RE GEEKS. It's allmost like being able to speak several launguages because we understand the fundamentals of language. The other %99 percent does not understand this.
You and I both have come across some very dense users in the course of our careers. How many times have you seen some exec completly flip when he didn't know where something was? Exec's pride themselves on having intuition (god especially CEO's) Windows has constantly evolved towards these people. The top %1 can form a search expression on a single shell line "dir *.txt
Sure MS has played unfair, a judge dropped his gavel and it is law.
Yet without their borg like mentality, they would have never accomplished what they have. I've seen a lot of open source projects go through 2 or 3 revisions, then they get dropped before they could even be considered a stable alpha.
WordPerfect is good, but not as good as Office2k. There is too much training involved for anyone using WP. Things like setting up macro's, adding words to a spell check. Me as a sysadmin, I don't want to waste time creating a trained version. Anyways its not what my executive want's. He/she want's their company logo and default documents maybe, even then most of the time they're just concerned with stability and why this program keeps crashing or how do I do this or my personal favorite, "Hey bob just a really quick question" that turns into a 30 minute volley of questioning.
It gives me a lot less prep work, and if MS had to step on a bunch of toes to bring me their products, i'm happy for them cause somebody, anybody did it right. IBM should have been more agressive and competitivly priced OS/2 and countered MS's anti compete discounts with their own. It's not MS's fault big blue stuck with their normal mentality of "we're big blue and invincable" (sounds like something a cape wearing superhero might yell lol)
I like alternative o/s's but it depends on what job I want to do. If I want a router, couple of netcards, a router on floppy distro, and a 20 dollar pentium at the goodwill will do the trick. MS is great at wearing many different hats at once with a huge library of software that I don't have to train. After a long day of training humans, I don't want to go home and use my PC for more training. I want to go home and play GOOD games. Maybe catch up on my
MS is cool, that wouldnt happen to be a IE browser you're using would it
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Hi Todd, just some inisghts..
:P
>>when Worf told us that something happened to change their appearance that "we don't like to talk about".
I'm gonna use conspiracy theory here. From what we know in this first episode, genetic mutation is abundant in STE's time. My guess is that a group of the Klingon race will suffer from "Humanoid Envy" and will seek cosmetic surgery to make them appear more human/vulcan like.
>>And Picard told us that the war with the Klingons was sparked by a botched first contact with them. But that contact didn't seem to be botched.
Actually, we don't know that for sure unless we speak klingon. We did get bit's and peices (The downed Klingon was pissed he didn't die) So the humans saving his life might actually be comitting a "klingon social faux pau". My guess is the klingons now view humans as a race that does not have respect for the sanctity of their ways.
Anyways thats what I think is going on. I thought the show was great. Then again i'm a second generation trekkie
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NO NO AND NO
He purposely was poking around for a exploit, he found the exploit and purposely used it to gain access INTO A PLACE HE WAS CLEARLY NOT SUPPOSED TO BE. On top of that he was from a competing ISP.
How much clearer does it need to be that that? He broke (exploited) and entered(rooted) Nobody asked him to look for exploits on the system. HE DID IT WITHOUT PERMISSION. Consider this guy part of the winds of change. The cracking community needs to realize that working admins are sick of seeing port scans DAILY across their firewalls, and the laws are going to change very soon. For the better IMHO.
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Ok Michael I get the False Cynicism :P
Before people go and assume things about the show lets see what we got stacked up so far.
Production Quality
From the moment that klingon fired his phaser at the corn silo, you could see effects qualities on par with not so recent films such as twister. The letterbox Format was sweet on my non HDTV tv, I know UPN does broadcast digital so it was probably on par with a full theater production for those with the proper setup. The explosion was very nicely done with many particles flying everywhere. Question is, how did they do that? Set's actually pulled you into the storyline. You could tell attention to detail was the primary goal of the directors. Makeup was great as was the props. It was a completely new look that had no resemblance to ST STNG STDSN, well none of em.. Awesome!
Storyline
The story at this point seems to revolve around scott bakula's character, with his flashbacks to his childhood where his father is the inventor of the warp 4.5 engine. He holds a very visible (and at one point very vocal!) attitudes towards Vulcan's for not giving his father the equivalent of killing the goose. First episode, he got into fist fights, used the first phaser, got acid trails, got some nookie, AND on top of all this had badass space battle scenes. It was all glued together very well, the plot was not as predictable as I thought it was going to be.
My Thoughts
I'm amazed to see Scott Bakula playing such a physically demanding role. I hope the writers understand that this is his ticket, ACTION AND FIGHTING W00T. Kirk and Spock were best buddies, Vulcan's and humans had hung out for 200 years by then. Captain archers distain and Commander archer's relationship blended together well, but lacked the friendship aspect that Kirk and Spock had. You could tell that Sneaky Vulcan is going to have more secrets throughout the show. I predict he basic elements of the show (weekly focus change to different characters, new species, new planets) will remain the same. Star trek is about a voyage of discovery.
And a question to paramount webserver admins.
I went to the website and found myself asking. What was the server load?
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No understand what he did, he was poking around for exploits, and broke the system to gain entry to a part of the system he wasn't supposed to be in. On top of that he was from a competing ISP. His defense is as lame as, "Gee sorry governor, I pulled the gun to see if it was loaded I didn't mean to shoot him"
Breaking and Entering. Open and shut as that. He has a criminal mindset and needs to be rehabilitated.
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and im sure your ip has been noted and forwarded to the FBI as a taliban sympathizer by cmdrtaco.
/. account next time you got something stupid to say.
You are a classic example of karma whore. Try using your real
Fuckhead. Grow up.
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>>But the thing is you have to stop beating MS's drum
:)
Hey, if it wasn't for that o/s crappin out on people all the time, I couldn't have made a career from fixin it. It got me a house, car, everything you ever wanted to have as a kid when you grew up.
You and I are definetly looking at this from our own perspectives. I guess if I had worked at IBM with the os/2 warp team I would be singing a different tune right now since my whole career would be based on it, but my career has been MS based, and it has been rewarding for me. That's why I beat the drum
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I'm just blown away by the fact people actually defend this guy! We all have to start changing our view on security breaches by bringing in real life analogies.
If this guy had gone to the front door of his competing ISP, noticed it was unlocked and then walked in, HE WOULD BE GUILTY OF BREAKING AND ENTERING.
The whole underground movement of "lets push doors to see what's open and make ourselves look good by admitting to breaking and entering" isn't going to cut it anymore in this post terrorism world. He committed a crime plain and simple, doesn't matter if the key was copper or RSA. You are not a good neighbor if you are constantly looking for ways to break into my house. Especially if I don't even know you!!
It's true, people do need to check their firewalls and whatever other security means they have for exploits, but it does not give anyone a license to go willy nilly on the net looking for exploitable systems. If someone has a system infected by nimda and you see their IP coming across your firewall, yes call them. That's OK cause you are not breaking or entering.
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~~~Moderators, note I posted this with my real account. Unlike the karma whoring anonymous cowards I stand behind my opinions.
Thank you Wyatt, feels good when I get a "Atta boy" for posting something good :)
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This [wired.com] issue of wired
Where did that sentance say I was linking to an article, go out and buy a copy. BTW only charma whore's post as anonymous cowards. I take full responsibility for my posts, even if I know they will get modded down to -1. You sir obviously do not stand behind your comment otherwise you wouldn't have posted anonymously, therefore it is you that is the luser.
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Man you really remind me of someone I used to work with named K.D. (he was a OS/2 freak, we worked together at ricochet support, btw if those are your initals this is R.C.) Anyways this is cool, I like getting into these debaticals with people willing to use good points to support their arguments, lets continue :)
,"I would never touch a pc" friends.
.com crash sysadmin jobs in silicon valley are allmost non-existant now, and i've been lookin since jan, so money is tight, but i got 8 pints :) I did what I could. You really gotta quit makin personal presumtions about me and just stick to the debate OK?
/. posts if i'm including links i'll use frontpage. It's not neccisarily a bad thing to dance with who you came with.
>>Windows 98 has 71 floppies.
Win98 was released years after os/2. win3.1 came about the time of os/2 and that was what... 7 floppies + the 3 floppies for dos? I gotta admit though, very cool being able to play games while installing.
>>It was Lotus 123 and Wordperfect, DBAse and XYZ Word, that brought the PC's into general application.
No that only made it mainstream in the business world. You prolly got about 10 years on me agewise so let me explain what I mean about mainstream.
Ever watch malcolm in the middle? In the late 70's and early 80's that was me. We only had 1 computer in the school (commodore pet) and I used to spend all my time on it. Jr. High was appleIIe's, again the school only had 2 of em, all of my friends from back then did not accept my geekness until they started buying windows machines as adults. Being the geek I am, they would bring me broken boxes for fixin, that is what got geekness it's acceptance. Sure windows is buggy and unstable, I'll be the first to admit that, but it created a need for people like you and me and that is what got us accepted by our previously
>>It's a silly company that runs more than one system on their network, be it DOS, Windows, OS/2 Linux, or Apple. Multi-OS networks dont gel in the workplace.
I agree, so what was your answer? Lemme guess, all MS right? (hmm yummy dave for el maco's to make it integrate with the wintel world)
>>"Why Linux is losing the desktop war"
Check the latest issue of wired. http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/9.10/full.html
>>It was actually based on what you had said. I mean, you can't be really inspired to denote $5 money yourself to the WTC, but happy for MS to send the same amount (of time earnings), to the same thing.
I got a little american flag and some cookies for donating my blood, since the
>>The other thing is that MS has been getting some very BAD publicity in relation to WTC. You see, the FlightSim is a fairly accurate representation of many cities, and provides a fairly easy way to learn your way around the skylines of a city. This point has not been lost on Sky TV.
LOL is this really true? Give me a link I gotta see it with my own eyes before I belive it LOL ROTF.
>>Yes, it's all about Money. The price of a MS licence was considerably less if you promised to exclude competition. So no-one even got a lookin. Check out the DR-DOS case for details on this.
I know all about it (i think) basically MS included some code so win3.1 would not install on a DR.Dos machine. Isn't that fair play? I mean jeesh Dos can't read HPFS (which btw I don't understand why it isn't implemented in more places, a fat table in the middle of the platter.. what a great idea!)
>>People, given the sort of help, generally do not make the investment with whateve they got, and as a result, just stay with the bad bunch. Most of the users I have encountered don't use their word processer any thing that wordpad could not do.
Again I go back to my point of a single vendor for all your products. Me myself, I hardly use word, I like notepad. When I do my
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One of my major beef's with the Linux community in general has been their fanatical anti .gov and .mil views. I've always thought of it as being
unpatriotic to bring down the net, via dos attacks, defacing a .gov website. Or
just generally being an asshole to anyone who is running a Redmond product on
their desktop. This
issue of wired does a pretty good job of summarizing all the "bad
stuff" that has plagued this community. Really take the time to read
the article and understand it before you start tossing flames.
With that said, I think this is a great oppertunity for the linux scene in general to get a chance to grow out of their stereotype, and actually become the hero's of the computing world, heck the world. It's all about putting your money where your mouth is. Imagine seeing a story like this in the news..
Dec, 31st 2001, San Francisco CA
Nuclear disaster was averted new years eve when a group of hackers listening in on alphanumeric pager transmission foiled a plot by the teleban to detonate a nuclear bomb in the middle of the cities finacial district. Working with the FBI and the CIA
I'm gonna stop because thats fantasy at this point, but IT COULD HAPPEN. If you are a patriotic american, and you care about linux, you need to step up to the plate and give the .gov a hand. Instead of making fun of
their shortcomings. Remember, this could change everything.
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I just wanted to make 2 comments on this...
>>There are any number of ways to automate preparing a PC for a user, ranging from automated install scripts
Yeah I know this, but automation really depends on what the corporate controller says you can use as a desktop standard. One company I worked at had all screwdriver shop PC's (300 of em) all with diverse hardware configurations. I did automate the install process (boot floppy, mount a network share, run setup, make a few entries in the runonce part of the registry) even though it was automated, installing everything (including office and corporate apps) still took 3 hours. Also to note, this company had no respect for IT and basically the entire dev team controlled what we did. Ghost would not work here.
>>Besides, you ought to have a clue about this: the slander that allegedly led you to lose your job could just as easily land you in jail in future, with laws like these. Be careful what you wish for.
I'm glad I actually took the time to read that, I almost mistook it for a flame but you're right! I must concede on that point alone.
It really depends on where you work I guess. If you work for a company where IT isn't looked upon as a gigantic black hole where money goes and never returns, then yes, everything you outlined would be true. Believe me though, companies like the one you work for are a minority.
Funniest thing I ever heard a developer say is "lets use yahoo for our corporate mail and calendar software"
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I bounced from 4 jobs last year, it was a very turmultious time for me and the wife.
Job#1 Company imploded when the CEO moved the office from sunnyvale to alameda. What was a 10-15 minute commute turned into a 1.5 hour commute down the 880 hellhole. Then he bought his concubine a condo on alameda island. My last month there was spent secretly reading his inbox, as well as the beancounters quickbooks. Turned out he hired a mole to spy on us, make sure that nobody was onto his scams. After seeing the shape the company was in, I warned a couple of people of the impending implosion. I bailed out when they started telling me they wanted me on hourly. I got out of there with a celeron computer, a box of cat5, few other little odds and ends. Company did implode and everyone got pink slips.
Job#2 Things went well for about 5 months, then I started noticing my boss giving me death march assignments, making more demands on me. I put my resume out there and was offered a job for 30k more than I was making. I got out of there with 2 atx cases, a couple of 10k RPM LVD drives, about 384megs of sims and dims.
Job#3 These people were cool. About my second month into the job we all talked (my boss and CIO) I told them flat out don't B.S. me just give it to me straight and they did. They let me work until I found a new job, making 4k more than before. I decided not to do anything because they were actully decent to me and I respected that.
Job#4 Things seemed great at first, but quickly declined from there. I started noticing incoming netbios connections on my computer. I quickly defined some win2k rules to stop anyone but me from making connections. When I asked my boss why the company was going through my computer (usually a sign that they are looking for something to fire you for) he told me i was being paranoid and to forget about it. 2 weeks later I was handed a pink slip. I knew it was coming so I got out of there with 2 thinkpads, a monitor, a bunch of NT CAL's and some original win2k server media.
Now I did something smart with all this stuff, rather than leaving myself open to scrutiny from the local law enforcement agency, I donated all of this stuff to freinds who are dirt poor. In turn it has changed their lives for the better. When I say dirt poor I mean they are living in the ghetto's of silicon valley. So yeah, these former employers can bitch all they want, but they'll never find there equipment at my house mwahaahahaha.
Now there is an old Italian proverb that goes well here, dead men dont talk. In dot com terms, dead companies dont talk either.
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I'm not a expert so i'm asking.
How do solar flares cause radio interferrance?
Thanks in advanced for fullfilling my curiosity.
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>>I am not a Linux person, I am an OS/2 person. Have you ever heard of Team-OS/2? Yes, I worked on a front line support position for many different systems for 15 years, and no, I don't say read the manual.
Ok again I go back to my point of ease of use. If I remember correctly, warp had what.. 28 floppies? I hardly call that an easy install. True it was leaps and bounds better than win3.1 as far as stability was concerned, but it was a pain in the $@$%* finding any software for it. IBM released 1 game for the o/s... I hardly call that supporting their own product. Oh yeah I forgot, novell release groupwise server for it.. big woop.
> Linux was not responsible for mainstream geek acceptance. That honor goes to wintel.
>>It's actually DOS that gets the honour. All the standard fixes that people report about Windows don't actually work under Windows, but they do under DOS.
Nono & NO. Let's not argue this one, we're both wrong here. That honor goes to mac. GUI's in general made PC's mainstream, mac was the first to have one.
>>You think that MS is a good guy because they give 30 minutes of their time for free publicity and stick their name in the news. If you gave $10 millions, they would just pass you over in the news.
I dont think so, alladin systems was mentioned, they were giving way less than 10mil, HP was mentioned for 3 mill. A few private donators were mentioned too. Like I said, put up or shut up linux.
Of course it's a PR thing, but at the same time think about all the GOOD it will be doing. Are you so anti MS fanatical that you would deny these people the help simply because the money came from MS? Now before you get pissed and rip of a flame, I was just askin, not accusing, I know you don't truly feel that way, nobody would deny these people help (cept that asshole osama)
I don't really know if it was a PR thing either, considering the shaky ground the tech sector has been on for the last year, how can any of these companies afford to give like they are? I know for a fact HP is planning layoff's, not sure about MS but the point i'm trying to make is this, they are scraping together what they can for a very good humanitarian reason. I don't know of a single person, male or female that was not brought to tears from the WTC pictures. I really don't think it was a PR motivated move.
>>You must have lead a sheltered life.
Was that a presumtion or were you farting from the mouth?
>>why can't you buy a computer at your local shop with OS/2, DRDOS, or BeOS on it, when these were big threats.
Do you really know the answer? I think you're the sheltered one. It's all about the money. None of the formentioned O/S's were ever a threat to MS simply because they lacked application support. MS made their own o/s, their own productivity suite, even their own browser (OK well they bought spyglass but thats another story). It gave people a 1 vendor solution. You should know all about 1 vendor solutions with your IBM background.
>>and no, I don't say read the manual.
Trust me, I got the same attitude when it comes to any support, but thats you and me, and its documented even in the latest issue of wired about all the RTFM shitheads out there. Even the cover says, "Why Linux is losing the desktop war"
That's a pretty bold statement, the article explains everything i've been sayin all along.
Ok, do this for me, if you work in a cubical corral. Look over your cube and tell me the # of desktops running any of these "alternative" operating systems. Less than you could count on 1 hand? I thought so.
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2 comments you made really stuck out.
>>Why if they are not competant enough to clean their own machine are they using W2K?
First off, mr. phone jockey, this friend is a med student, not a CS student. Tell you what, next time your bleeding from the gut, just ask one of your tech support buddies to fix you up.
>>You might consider how revealing your comments can be about your own level of intelligence, before posting.
You might consider what shame you bring down on your country by leading into the canuck stereotype of "All canucks are egotistical assholes"
Actually, a Kids in the Hall skit said it best, "Without your queen, your just americans" I think you hit your head one too many times with a hockey stick you hosehead.
Anyways, slashdot is a democracy, and protected by free speech, we're supposed to comment on articles, and each others post. Not throw personal insults at one another.
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I hope you mods like this..
>>However, scrawling "I love you Crystal" or some such on some web page is not terrorism.
If I spraypainted, "I love Crystal" on your house wouldn't that be enough for you to want my ass in a sling?
How do you think a sysadmin (usually 1 per 200 employees) feels when he's been a victim of such an attack? Think about how it makes him/her look to the entire company, a website defacement is something EVERYONE in the company knows about, unlike something simple like a network printer going down.
And don't give me the excuse "Oh they should have been better at their job" Look man, unless you've been in that position, you got no idea just how busy sysadmin life can get. Most coders don't even give a second thought to how LONG it takes to prepare a PC for a user.
You cannot really count just what damage something like this can do to someone's career. I got shittcanned cause someone outside the company that didn't agree with my views and thought it would be a funny joke to call my work and say I was a security risk. The company I was working for was looking for any excuse they could find to layoff people so it made me a real easy target.
So no, defacement, slander, is not funny, it's not a joke when you lose your job a week after buying your house. It may be a fun game to some little zit faced 15 year old cracker, but it has real life consequences that go far beyong "I love you crystal"
Mod this up as insightful--
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Sung to glory glory haulleluea
MS marches on windows banner waving in the air.
Stomping over penguins allmost everywhere.
It's enough to give a slashdotter a good scare.
XP's source code cannot be found anywhere.
Bill Gates is Deploying again.
Glory glory here comes the upgrades
Glory glory here comes the user training
Glory Glory we gotta upgrade all the pc's
Cause the boss read XP will save him money! (which is BS)
I'm sorry I just don't see how a free O/S generates tax revenue. Like I said, lets see VA or RH or debian or any of the other linux distro's step up to the plate, otherwise your whole reply is just talk.
/., but bashing MS is not going to make linux popular any time soon. It's the one weakness the whole community has and it's going to bite them in the ass one day. I don't see Be, QNX, IBM (os/2), or anyone else out there blaming anything on MS. They just plug away and hope people see the merits of their OS. (Be > Linux)
money for MS = protect monopoly
Ok why do people keep saying MS is a monopoly? People use it because it's just plain simpler to use. Just about anyone with an opposable thumb can pop open the CD drive and install. WHEEE!
free Linux = money for people to spend.
Your not counting how much a good unix tech costs these days, not free. What about the costs associated with training your IT staff for linux? What if your codebase is from someone that no longer wants to work on their open source project? You hire more programmers, basically fscked every way till tuesday.
>>Linux = saved money = power for the people
No our power is from our taxes, thats why we have paved highways and a mighty military. It's why america is the one country everyone wants to come too.
I just don't get it with you linux people. Have you ever in YOU LIFE been in either a Systems administrator or Lan Administrator position where you had to give support? Oh yeah I forgot the linux credo.... RTFM
At least with my $189 purchase of XP it comes with some tech support. Any tech that says they have never needed help is LYING. I got 3 Linux books, learned linux by myself, every linux person I talked to about a problem I was having while learning, allways gave me the same response.. RTFM, man pages, --help.
So now I can set up a samba server, do fun stuff with bind, build my own distro on a floppy, all kinds of neat stuff. My opinion, yeah its a nice toy. I wouldnt give it to any of my users in a million years though.
The one thing that really gets me about MS bashing is nobody gives credit where credit is due. Back in my schoolboy days, I was an outcast for being a computer geek (6502's remember those?) I would spend every moment I could in our 2 computer lab (both appleIIE yuck) It wasn't until the 1990's when MS took over the world that my hobby was accepted and even admired. Linux did not do that for us. Linux was not responsible for mainstream geek acceptance. That honor goes to wintel.
Sure it's easy to be a charma whore, and go with the rest of the mindless linux zealots out there on
>>How much did they give to victims of failed companies.
How much did linux give?
--toq
When are the slashdot editors going to stop posting anti-ms crap like this?
I just heard on tech now (bay area syndicated technology show) that MS is giving 5 million in cash, 5 million in hardware/software and service.
This is gonna get modded troll or flame I know it.
Has redhat or VA systems or any linux company donated anything except more anti ms lip?
Yes ms costs money, that money is taxed, and those taxes will be used for the war efforts. Be a patriot, Buy MS. Linux = 0 to the economy.
--toq
>> 2. People using NT/2000 often don't even realize they have exposed ports. The worst of the Code Red/Nimda infections are coming from machines on Cable/DSL...home users who probably don't even know their machine is a server.
My freind caught it being on MSN dialup on his 2k machine. Isn't that funny? Cmon moderators I need the points!!
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