It's a 200Mb ethernet-over-coax solution that makes use of existing coax installs and uses traditional cable. We'll be testing it soon for a 200 metre install.
"Some of you may recall legal precedence for this kind of issue, dating waaay back to the 70’s when Bell (then Northern Telecom) tried to force its customers to use Bell branded phones, and tried to attach a special fee to modem/fax use. The courts ruled against Bell, and the CRTC jumped in and made all sorts of rules to prevent telecom’s from requiring proprietary hardware, on standardized networks. This does, legally, carry over to GSM carriers. GSM is GSM. If your phone supports GSM on the frequency of a carrier, the carrier must provide a signal. Period."
I'll add a note that this approach isn't 100% proven. We don't know for a fact that the mods are sending the same information to Rogers contained in the build.prop files as the Rogers firmware is sending, or that the mods are even sending that information at all.
However, I do endorse this approach for lack of better ideas, and my phone is connected in spite of being on CyanogenMod.
I'm not sure if the network reset itself or the build.prop fix is responsible, but I'll take what I can get.
I'll add that there has been some luck fooling it by installing the CursorSense 1.2 mod, which is based on the Mandatory Update itself and reports the same or similar versions of just about everything.
Personally, I'm not that keen on switching mods unless I absolutely have to, though I do rank it as a better option than going with the mandatory update firmware.
So far, we're not altogether sure of what's being scanned for exactly. If it's a message the radio is sending out on connection to the network with a radio version, it'd be very difficult to intercept.
There's been suspicion it's just the build version, but build patches haven't proven themselves to work (it's been tried).
So between Telus and Rogers 3G will be compatible, but phones that also support EDGE and GPRS will not work on Telus in those modes as they lack the legacy infrastructure.
It's a difference in localized economy. I've had it explained to me as follows:
In much of the "West" (by that I assume the industrialized and commercialized nations of North America and Europe) companies have learned to charge what people are willing to pay. People are used to living beyond their means. Credit, mortgages, loans, and overdraft are all familiar to most of us. We exchange virtual money through plastic cards.
In the undeveloped (or less developed) world (a generalization I can't back up, these are someone else's words) there is a tendancy to charge what people are able to pay, or at least a barter system that allows for the best deal on both sides. People have coins, bills, worldly possessions, and work to trade.
I agree... though Project Gutenberg is huge. I end up downloading pirated text and cracked MS Reader files to view on my iPaq these days. I purchase the dead tree copy and it sits on my shelf.
But this is not just a recent development. Text files of published works have been out there since I used to use dialup BBS. The first time I read Neuromancer was in ASCII format (I then bought the dead tree).
Do I know you? I volunteered in a similar Net Day around the same years. Granted it took place in many schools but you don't by chance reside in Calgary?
After having a look at the laws on this a while back, I would venture a good ol' IANAL guess that if there were a track of music on the disc already it would be tax exempt. I thought of this same idea at the time, myself... mostly in relation to the levy on the blank hard drives included in portable music players. If the manufacturer formatted them and included tracks they would certainly be exempt from the levy.
Wow...someone else who actually clicked on the links.
It looks to me like the only ones with seemingly far reaching implications are #6,085,223 (which seems to cover translation of queries to a database) and possibly #6,169,997 though it mostly sounds like nonsense to me. #6,151,601 sounds like it could impact a number of business sites that collect user information. Of course, IANAL.
Re:try using something that already works...
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NWN Linux Client Delayed
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· Score: 2, Interesting
I believe they intend for the linux client to be released to function with the existing game whereas Loki released full ports. I don't want to have to go buy a Linux port.
Personally, I don't care if movies work on my hardware as I skip through them anyway because they chug. Apparantly sound is coming along...if they released a port with working sound and no movies, I'm game.
I think this is terrific. I know very little about the fine details of coding for.NET, but I understand the significance of this project to the community of open source and non-windows users. Good job folks. Keep it up. =)
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I was just searching for this same thing today and a friend of mine suggested this product:
http://www.netsys-direct.com/proddetail.php?prod=NH-310CEKIT&cat=27
It's a 200Mb ethernet-over-coax solution that makes use of existing coax installs and uses traditional cable. We'll be testing it soon for a 200 metre install.
Actually, they legally can't in Canada.
From http://techreview.eatuniverse.net/2010/01/24/rogers-disconnects-data-services-to-g1-users/ :
"Some of you may recall legal precedence for this kind of issue, dating waaay back to the 70’s when Bell (then Northern Telecom) tried to force its customers to use Bell branded phones, and tried to attach a special fee to modem/fax use. The courts ruled against Bell, and the CRTC jumped in and made all sorts of rules to prevent telecom’s from requiring proprietary hardware, on standardized networks. This does, legally, carry over to GSM carriers. GSM is GSM. If your phone supports GSM on the frequency of a carrier, the carrier must provide a signal. Period."
I'll add a note that this approach isn't 100% proven. We don't know for a fact that the mods are sending the same information to Rogers contained in the build.prop files as the Rogers firmware is sending, or that the mods are even sending that information at all.
However, I do endorse this approach for lack of better ideas, and my phone is connected in spite of being on CyanogenMod.
I'm not sure if the network reset itself or the build.prop fix is responsible, but I'll take what I can get.
"will not work on Telus in those modes"
2g = won't work. 3g = will.
Agreed!
I'll add that there has been some luck fooling it by installing the CursorSense 1.2 mod, which is based on the Mandatory Update itself and reports the same or similar versions of just about everything.
Personally, I'm not that keen on switching mods unless I absolutely have to, though I do rank it as a better option than going with the mandatory update firmware.
So far, we're not altogether sure of what's being scanned for exactly. If it's a message the radio is sending out on connection to the network with a radio version, it'd be very difficult to intercept.
There's been suspicion it's just the build version, but build patches haven't proven themselves to work (it's been tried).
As long as the 3G phones support the correct frequencies, they will work on both networks.
Telus: 850/1900Mhz
Rogers: 850/1900Mhz
Wind: 1700Mhz
So between Telus and Rogers 3G will be compatible, but phones that also support EDGE and GPRS will not work on Telus in those modes as they lack the legacy infrastructure.
I've documented everything I've collected on the issue here: http://www.litui.net/archives/796
More detailed and ordered than the OP's links.
sed mi relative estas nova parolanto. Esperantolingvo estas simpla lingvo lerni.
Kial slashdot-aj legantoj ridas la lingvo?
I was rather bored and amused one day by a search for:
c in postscript picas per fortnight
You need to rent the movie Office Space, Mr. or Ms. Coward.
Finally, someone around here who knows how the universe works ;)
I believe that would be the quintessence though your ordering on the first 4 is off =)
It's a difference in localized economy. I've had it explained to me as follows:
In much of the "West" (by that I assume the industrialized and commercialized nations of North America and Europe) companies have learned to charge what people are willing to pay. People are used to living beyond their means. Credit, mortgages, loans, and overdraft are all familiar to most of us. We exchange virtual money through plastic cards.
In the undeveloped (or less developed) world (a generalization I can't back up, these are someone else's words) there is a tendancy to charge what people are able to pay, or at least a barter system that allows for the best deal on both sides. People have coins, bills, worldly possessions, and work to trade.
It makes sense to me, but I'm not an economist.
I agree... though Project Gutenberg is huge. I end up downloading pirated text and cracked MS Reader files to view on my iPaq these days. I purchase the dead tree copy and it sits on my shelf.
But this is not just a recent development. Text files of published works have been out there since I used to use dialup BBS. The first time I read Neuromancer was in ASCII format (I then bought the dead tree).
EL CHUPACABRA!!!
Do I know you? I volunteered in a similar Net Day around the same years. Granted it took place in many schools but you don't by chance reside in Calgary?
After having a look at the laws on this a while back, I would venture a good ol' IANAL guess that if there were a track of music on the disc already it would be tax exempt. I thought of this same idea at the time, myself... mostly in relation to the levy on the blank hard drives included in portable music players. If the manufacturer formatted them and included tracks they would certainly be exempt from the levy.
Wow...someone else who actually clicked on the links.
It looks to me like the only ones with seemingly far reaching implications are #6,085,223 (which seems to cover translation of queries to a database) and possibly #6,169,997 though it mostly sounds like nonsense to me. #6,151,601 sounds like it could impact a number of business sites that collect user information. Of course, IANAL.
There's always Chapters/Indigo
For an independent bookseller, check out McNally Robinson
Until you set it on fire... :)
well said!
I believe they intend for the linux client to be released to function with the existing game whereas Loki released full ports. I don't want to have to go buy a Linux port.
Personally, I don't care if movies work on my hardware as I skip through them anyway because they chug. Apparantly sound is coming along...if they released a port with working sound and no movies, I'm game.
I think this is terrific. I know very little about the fine details of coding for .NET, but I understand the significance of this project to the community of open source and non-windows users. Good job folks. Keep it up. =)
That's a terrific page on the whole, man. Thanks for linking. That made my day.