Supporting open source and open computing are one thing, politically charged opinions are the result of a much different agenda.
Check out this quote from the FAQ:
He goes even further, and rebukes anyone who suggests that engineers and scientists should consider social consequences of our technical work--rejecting the lessons society learned from the development of the atom bomb.
Wow. I have never really been interested or followed in the goals of the FSF. First impressions are lasting impressions. After reading this FAQ (freqently asked? I doubt it). I have definately formed an opinion of the FSF. These guys are nuts!
Cablevision says it does not prevent recording on more familiar consumer devices, such as a videocassette recorder or a Tivo-like digital video recorder
Really means.. Oh the analog hole and the Tivo that we don't have control over (yet). If they could take it away they would take it away. I suppose Macrovision might accidently slip its way into the cable lines next. This is a perfect example of what rights you are losing due to the media cartels. What are your advantages to using this?
He says rules are designed to reflect home use -- while addressing piracy fears that prevent Hollywood from releasing more high-quality content
Another twisted comment. So I guess for the last 20+ years that the VCR has been around, Hollywood has been holding off on quality content because they knew it would be copied. Now that there is suddenly a chance of controlling it, the really good actors and directors that were "holding out" are going to start making shows. I do not foresee any change of the quality of programming based on this.
And the movie studios and broadcasters ultimately get to decide what shows to protect
If this concept is FULLY explained to the potential consumer and not hidden as a footnote on page 25 it will not sell! Why would you pay hundreds of dollars for a piece of equipment that has a strong chance of not recording what you really want to record in high quality digital?
Floyd's recent re-release of Ummagumma contained a poster of the original album cover
Just a poster? I still have the double album in my attic that I bought in the 1980 time frame. Too bad I don't have a record player! I've rebought almost every PF release I had on vinyl because I can handle mp3 for general listening but not for kicking back at the home stero and enjoying the music. A lot of my older early-mid 80's punk and metal favorites like Agnostic Front, Mercyful Fate, Slayer etc.. had shitty quality anyway so a non-compressed cd would not help. I've rebought some but others I never will. IMHO I own the albums so I do not see a problem with finding the mp3.
Corporations are allowed to restrict distribution of their music. Technologically speaking, there is no real difference between copying and distributing (there is no way to allow one without the other) without DRM.
I do not agree with the context of the above. Yes they are allowed to control the distribution. Making of a personal use copy is not further distribution. I am not distributing it to anyone. It is my COPY for my personal use. Same with right of first sale. If I choose to sell my original copy (after destroying all of my copies), I am allowed. This is not distribution either. With DRM controls, I will not be able to make personal copies or sell what rights I own to someone else. More then likely, I will not even be able to listen to my music on anything other then the machine I originally used when I made the purchase or initially loaded it on, or I will have to connect to some remote location to verify my current rights for the media. I do not see this as controlling distribution. What you are saying is that because it is media, your purchase from a retail store should legally be the last time that it EVER changes hands. Anything after that would be distibution of something you do not own?
IMHO, it doesnt matter how many companies control it, it is the big picture of trying to restrict what I can do with what I bought. I can currently take a NTSC VCR tape and play it thousands of times on any NTSC VCR in the world. I can take my new audio CD and copy it to cassette for the garage, mp3 for my portable and DVD player, and an audio copy for a backup in my car, all perfectly 100% legal. What is going to be available when DRM comes around? Media companies are already trying to use existing technology flukes to prevent authorized copying on audio cd's. Do you think they will have a change of heart later and allow me to make these copies? This is NOTHING more then a chance to squeeze every last penny that they can out of the consumer. Region encoding, strange format audio cd's, access licenses stored in the computer or remotely, plugging the 'analog hole', locking of ebooks, DCMA, DRM, etc etc. They are trying to do this in stages but it quickly adds up to you losing your rights. None of these are an advantage or of any use to an individual, only corporate interests.
The rule of thumb for ISPs, at least in North America, is generally that if it's on a client system (subscriber - your PC), then it's not our problem (legally). If a file resides on our cache, then we can be held responsible for it by law enforcement agencies.
Not flaming here but where is this information from? I have NEVER seen or read about anything relating to this concept of responsiblility for temporary cache storage, specially since you are considering this a rule of thumb. What about a customers mail that is sitting in your queue? What about those binaries on your news server? What about some files in/home/someuser/myfiles?
So I could either increase the price of my white bread, to compensate for the lack of additional sales. But that's a dangerous route to take
This is exactly the plan the MPAA had this year. Less movie ticket sales and higher ticket prices. Gee I wonder if the less ticket sales was from Napster too. I wonder how much more sales would have been without the increase. You just need to find that fine balance. The RIAA has not and they are blaming it on something else. HINT: Maybe its the economy stupid!!
How mmany of the media player components are preloaded therefore making it appear to start and load faster? How many other MS applications must be installed for Media Player to work correctly? I don't know the answer but I do know this effect hinders quite a few applications that compete with MS products. This is the main reason that people are not happy with simply "hiding" an MS application, they want to get rid of it completely and free up some system resources for other things. Open Office and K-Meleon are two examples of products that offer preloading to speed things up. If you could remove the unused MS preloading the effect could be two-fold.
it's not bloated
Depends on what you are using it for. If it was the ONLY video, audio, and whatever else player you planned on using then maybe. It may stack up to a comparable size of like third party applications that performed the same fuctions.
I like this quote: "Everyone's been waiting for the great convergence product," Duboise said.
I think by "everyone" he means, software and hardware makers looking to generate some sales. I don't think he was talking about consumers. I can't think of a single person that would be interested in this. If this does sell, it would not be because of the advantages it offers, it will be because people were not aware of what they were actually buying and the rights they were throwing away with the purchase. You can do everything this has to offer now for less in price.
While browsing around, I found what appears to be a standalone unit that you can use to browse and record broadcast television, includes no DRM controls, includes a 19inch screen, a remote control unit, speakers, and is contained in ONE unit. It does not record the broadcast digitally but the medium it uses appears to be compatible with 1000's of other units and is cheaper then any memory stick or other removeable device I've ever seen. I imagine a device like this sitting next to your computer would be a more logical choice for only $169.
You are a bitch to the developers, they pack houses in like sardines (sp?) so you have no choice but to see your 27 closest neighbors. If you had some space for a yard and some trees it should not matter what fucking color your mailbox is. They even limit your shrubbery, I'd would not be surprised if they start banning cars older then 10 years from your driveway. Here in the DC suburbs the housing market is still kicking. I pitty the new owners of the nice $600K 3000ft2 houses on a 3500ft2 lots. Don't have cable? Walk out on the beautiful backdeck of your sunroom and look around, I'm sure you can see at least 15 of your neighbors tv's.
I'm sure some people enjoy this lifestyle and in some areas of the country it is unavoidable. In the DC area there is tons of land in 5 or 10 acre pieces that would be cheaper and better then the prefab subdivision choice.
You can recreate the design of a vehicle from a movie, sell it, and no one minds. Create some original clip art of the same vehicle and try to sell it and you will must certainly face jail time. Strange how it makes a difference when computers are involved.
Just like the CueCat.. That business model does not work. Strange how we have such a range of standards when it comes to modifications of things. Your car, clock radio, and VCR are okay, your computer hardware somewhat but software seems untouchable. What is the difference from modding my VCR compared to a TiVO? What is the REAL difference other then "its always been that way"
I do not use Google to "browse" for information or find the one site that has it all and looks pretty. Normally I know exactly what I am looking for, or at least something very specific. I just need to find it. I start near the top of the Google results and work my way down until I get my answer or enough information to solve my quest. If I can't find it, I try different keywords. A resent search I had was an example of a fetchmailrc using preauth. Sure, there may be a few top notch fetchmail sites (and thousands of copies of the man page) out there but I'd be wasting my time viewing them if they did not have the specific example I am looking for. If I want general information on a subject, I make my searches simpler or use the Google catagories. If this guys page truely is as good as he believes, his creation will eventually make it's way up the ladder.
A shell account at an ISP (or to home if practical) is like a Swiss army knife. By using SSH and port forwarding you can encrypt and protect yourself from almost any corporate sniffer, access blocker, or packet logger (at least plain text). Even if your not using it to "bypass" a restriction, its worth the effort simply for the encryption over the local network.
My last job used to block DejaNews and Google groups. I used it for quick fixes and support. If your ISP is not running a proxy you can run your own small proxy like cj.pl (cookie_jar) or junkbusters and bounce from that.
I guess my point is, if you need it, there is a way to get access to it. It may not be ethical and may raise suspicion and get you fired but it works.
Yeah, lets not post a link and the rest of the world will be completely safe from this. Would your system crash differently if an experienced cracker exploited this by hand instead of some script kiddie? You are blaming the wrong people. Maybe the problem will just go away or it will fix itself. I have an idea, lets create a "trusted" inner circle of hand selected vendors with government or MS oversight to disclose bugs to only those that pay to the yearly slush fund. If you hide and conseal your software bugs then all security problems will go away. We could even fabricate or interpet an existing law that makes reporting potential software bugs illegal. With advanced management and filtering of potential software bugs (I suggest AMFPSB), everyone will be much safer and MS can save millions of $ a year on software audits. If bugs and proof of concepts went away then we could judge a software companies products on their marketing ability and not have to worry about the actual quality of the product.
My opinion on this will not change with negative moderation.
The Windows 2000 installer is much more graceful in a situation like that.
Dude, a bad disk is a bad disk. It doesnt matter if it your 1st disk, your last disk or anywhere in between. If the installer needs it then it will fail. To make a blanket statement that Windows would recover from this is simply not correct. It depends on what part or files that the installer could not access. Same with your HD. Sudden development of some bad sectors is not good for any OS. A blanket statement that one OS could recover over another is this situation is not accurate. It depends on what was in those sectors!
If I had a bad third disk and I needed that for the install, I would have simply downloaded another one. The only place you will find a W2K ISO is from a 0 day list in 45 RAR files.
My county has all their property records, real estate transactions, tax information, buyers, sellers, satellite photos, coordinates etc all available online.... On one hand it is very convenient to look at your property and values, on the other its scary to think that anyone in the world that is online can too.
The Prince William County mapper is here. For an example you can search by "address" for 8091 COUNSELOR. I live off of Bristow Road, haha. The tax information is available via link after finding an address. You can do all kinds of strange searches like adjoining properties, school boundaries, road paths, recently sold houses etc...
The site is normally slow so I doubt it can handle/. It is a cool thing to play with and browse around with though. I don't know how updated it is, my pool has been in for almost 2 years and it doesn't show up in the photos.
I have had quite a few WD's do the same exact clicking/clonking thing. I ran the WD test utilities and it found no problems. I called WD tech support and they claimed it was my system bios configuration "trying to access a part of the disk that does not exist" and not a problem with the drive. Of course it had been running in the same machine for almost a year with no problems. I called back and spoke with a different tech who approved an RMA, same thing happened to the replacement 1 year after that.
Like stated later in this thread, they don't make stuff like they used too. The very first HD I bought in 1992 (Quantum LPS270)had been running various things until 1995 when I installed it in my Samba server as / where it sat headless running 24/7 from early 1995 to late 2001. It would still be in use today but I changed the server to RH from Slackware and I was having problems getting RH small enough to fit on it.
The recent WD's I've seen only come with a 1 year replacement policy, imagine that. I'm sure everyone has some beef with any HD failure regardless of the company but I personally have not had much luck with WD.
You published your feelings and comments in a public place for all of the world to see. You had a VERY BIG misconception and assumed that it would somehow disappear or wear out over time. Just because it is electronic does not mean you have extra rights or exclusive control of its distribution at a later date. What about some obnoxious comment you wrote in your buddies HS yearbook? Do you have the right to take it from him or line it out?
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Supporting open source and open computing are one thing, politically charged opinions are the result of a much different agenda.
Check out this quote from the FAQ:
He goes even further, and rebukes anyone who suggests that engineers and scientists should consider social consequences of our technical work--rejecting the lessons society learned from the development of the atom bomb.
Wow. I have never really been interested or followed in the goals of the FSF. First impressions are lasting impressions. After reading this FAQ (freqently asked? I doubt it). I have definately formed an opinion of the FSF. These guys are nuts!
When they find them, they fill them up with warez, porn, and movies.
Let it run for a few days and fill up your HD without doing anything. Where do I sign up? Much easier then browsing P2P..
Cablevision says it does not prevent recording on more familiar consumer devices, such as a videocassette recorder or a Tivo-like digital video recorder
Really means.. Oh the analog hole and the Tivo that we don't have control over (yet). If they could take it away they would take it away. I suppose Macrovision might accidently slip its way into the cable lines next. This is a perfect example of what rights you are losing due to the media cartels. What are your advantages to using this?
He says rules are designed to reflect home use -- while addressing piracy fears that prevent Hollywood from releasing more high-quality content
Another twisted comment. So I guess for the last 20+ years that the VCR has been around, Hollywood has been holding off on quality content because they knew it would be copied. Now that there is suddenly a chance of controlling it, the really good actors and directors that were "holding out" are going to start making shows. I do not foresee any change of the quality of programming based on this.
And the movie studios and broadcasters ultimately get to decide what shows to protect
If this concept is FULLY explained to the potential consumer and not hidden as a footnote on page 25 it will not sell! Why would you pay hundreds of dollars for a piece of equipment that has a strong chance of not recording what you really want to record in high quality digital?
Floyd's recent re-release of Ummagumma contained a poster of the original album cover
Just a poster? I still have the double album in my attic that I bought in the 1980 time frame. Too bad I don't have a record player! I've rebought almost every PF release I had on vinyl because I can handle mp3 for general listening but not for kicking back at the home stero and enjoying the music. A lot of my older early-mid 80's punk and metal favorites like Agnostic Front, Mercyful Fate, Slayer etc.. had shitty quality anyway so a non-compressed cd would not help. I've rebought some but others I never will. IMHO I own the albums so I do not see a problem with finding the mp3.
Corporations are allowed to restrict distribution of their music. Technologically speaking, there is no real difference between copying and distributing (there is no way to allow one without the other) without DRM.
I do not agree with the context of the above. Yes they are allowed to control the distribution. Making of a personal use copy is not further distribution. I am not distributing it to anyone. It is my COPY for my personal use. Same with right of first sale. If I choose to sell my original copy (after destroying all of my copies), I am allowed. This is not distribution either. With DRM controls, I will not be able to make personal copies or sell what rights I own to someone else. More then likely, I will not even be able to listen to my music on anything other then the machine I originally used when I made the purchase or initially loaded it on, or I will have to connect to some remote location to verify my current rights for the media. I do not see this as controlling distribution. What you are saying is that because it is media, your purchase from a retail store should legally be the last time that it EVER changes hands. Anything after that would be distibution of something you do not own?
I agree with the rest of your comment.
IMHO, it doesnt matter how many companies control it, it is the big picture of trying to restrict what I can do with what I bought. I can currently take a NTSC VCR tape and play it thousands of times on any NTSC VCR in the world. I can take my new audio CD and copy it to cassette for the garage, mp3 for my portable and DVD player, and an audio copy for a backup in my car, all perfectly 100% legal. What is going to be available when DRM comes around? Media companies are already trying to use existing technology flukes to prevent authorized copying on audio cd's. Do you think they will have a change of heart later and allow me to make these copies? This is NOTHING more then a chance to squeeze every last penny that they can out of the consumer. Region encoding, strange format audio cd's, access licenses stored in the computer or remotely, plugging the 'analog hole', locking of ebooks, DCMA, DRM, etc etc. They are trying to do this in stages but it quickly adds up to you losing your rights. None of these are an advantage or of any use to an individual, only corporate interests.
The rule of thumb for ISPs, at least in North America, is generally that if it's on a client system (subscriber - your PC), then it's not our problem (legally). If a file resides on our cache, then we can be held responsible for it by law enforcement agencies.
/home/someuser/myfiles?
Not flaming here but where is this information from? I have NEVER seen or read about anything relating to this concept of responsiblility for temporary cache storage, specially since you are considering this a rule of thumb. What about a customers mail that is sitting in your queue? What about those binaries on your news server? What about some files in
So I could either increase the price of my white bread, to compensate for the lack of additional sales. But that's a dangerous route to take
This is exactly the plan the MPAA had this year. Less movie ticket sales and higher ticket prices. Gee I wonder if the less ticket sales was from Napster too. I wonder how much more sales would have been without the increase. You just need to find that fine balance. The RIAA has not and they are blaming it on something else. HINT: Maybe its the economy stupid!!
It's fast
How mmany of the media player components are preloaded therefore making it appear to start and load faster? How many other MS applications must be installed for Media Player to work correctly? I don't know the answer but I do know this effect hinders quite a few applications that compete with MS products. This is the main reason that people are not happy with simply "hiding" an MS application, they want to get rid of it completely and free up some system resources for other things. Open Office and K-Meleon are two examples of products that offer preloading to speed things up. If you could remove the unused MS preloading the effect could be two-fold.
it's not bloated
Depends on what you are using it for. If it was the ONLY video, audio, and whatever else player you planned on using then maybe. It may stack up to a comparable size of like third party applications that performed the same fuctions.
I like this quote:
"Everyone's been waiting for the great convergence product," Duboise said.
I think by "everyone" he means, software and hardware makers looking to generate some sales. I don't think he was talking about consumers. I can't think of a single person that would be interested in this. If this does sell, it would not be because of the advantages it offers, it will be because people were not aware of what they were actually buying and the rights they were throwing away with the purchase. You can do everything this has to offer now for less in price.
While browsing around, I found what appears to be a standalone unit that you can use to browse and record broadcast television, includes no DRM controls, includes a 19inch screen, a remote control unit, speakers, and is contained in ONE unit. It does not record the broadcast digitally but the medium it uses appears to be compatible with 1000's of other units and is cheaper then any memory stick or other removeable device I've ever seen. I imagine a device like this sitting next to your computer would be a more logical choice for only $169.
My take on HOA's, they SUCK.
You are a bitch to the developers, they pack houses in like sardines (sp?) so you have no choice but to see your 27 closest neighbors. If you had some space for a yard and some trees it should not matter what fucking color your mailbox is. They even limit your shrubbery, I'd would not be surprised if they start banning cars older then 10 years from your driveway. Here in the DC suburbs the housing market is still kicking. I pitty the new owners of the nice $600K 3000ft2 houses on a 3500ft2 lots. Don't have cable? Walk out on the beautiful backdeck of your sunroom and look around, I'm sure you can see at least 15 of your neighbors tv's.
I'm sure some people enjoy this lifestyle and in some areas of the country it is unavoidable. In the DC area there is tons of land in 5 or 10 acre pieces that would be cheaper and better then the prefab subdivision choice.
You can recreate the design of a vehicle from a movie, sell it, and no one minds. Create some original clip art of the same vehicle and try to sell it and you will must certainly face jail time. Strange how it makes a difference when computers are involved.
Even funnier is the first one chonologically is currently moderated as redundant +3, the second posting is still Insightful +4
Just like the CueCat..
That business model does not work.
Strange how we have such a range of standards when it comes to modifications of things. Your car, clock radio, and VCR are okay, your computer hardware somewhat but software seems untouchable. What is the difference from modding my VCR compared to a TiVO? What is the REAL difference other then "its always been that way"
I do not use Google to "browse" for information or find the one site that has it all and looks pretty. Normally I know exactly what I am looking for, or at least something very specific. I just need to find it. I start near the top of the Google results and work my way down until I get my answer or enough information to solve my quest. If I can't find it, I try different keywords. A resent search I had was an example of a fetchmailrc using preauth. Sure, there may be a few top notch fetchmail sites (and thousands of copies of the man page) out there but I'd be wasting my time viewing them if they did not have the specific example I am looking for. If I want general information on a subject, I make my searches simpler or use the Google catagories. If this guys page truely is as good as he believes, his creation will eventually make it's way up the ladder.
A shell account at an ISP (or to home if practical) is like a Swiss army knife.
By using SSH and port forwarding you can encrypt and protect yourself from almost any corporate sniffer, access blocker, or packet logger (at least plain text).
Even if your not using it to "bypass" a restriction, its worth the effort simply for the encryption over the local network.
My last job used to block DejaNews and Google groups. I used it for quick fixes and support. If your ISP is not running a proxy you can run your own small proxy like cj.pl (cookie_jar) or junkbusters and bounce from that.
I guess my point is, if you need it, there is a way to get access to it. It may not be ethical and may raise suspicion and get you fired but it works.
Yeah, lets not post a link and the rest of the world will be completely safe from this. Would your system crash differently if an experienced cracker exploited this by hand instead of some script kiddie? You are blaming the wrong people. Maybe the problem will just go away or it will fix itself. I have an idea, lets create a "trusted" inner circle of hand selected vendors with government or MS oversight to disclose bugs to only those that pay to the yearly slush fund. If you hide and conseal your software bugs then all security problems will go away. We could even fabricate or interpet an existing law that makes reporting potential software bugs illegal. With advanced management and filtering of potential software bugs (I suggest AMFPSB), everyone will be much safer and MS can save millions of $ a year on software audits. If bugs and proof of concepts went away then we could judge a software companies products on their marketing ability and not have to worry about the actual quality of the product.
My opinion on this will not change with negative moderation.
The Windows 2000 installer is much more graceful in a situation like that.
Dude, a bad disk is a bad disk. It doesnt matter if it your 1st disk, your last disk or anywhere in between. If the installer needs it then it will fail. To make a blanket statement that Windows would recover from this is simply not correct. It depends on what part or files that the installer could not access. Same with your HD. Sudden development of some bad sectors is not good for any OS. A blanket statement that one OS could recover over another is this situation is not accurate. It depends on what was in those sectors!
If I had a bad third disk and I needed that for the install, I would have simply downloaded another one. The only place you will find a W2K ISO is from a 0 day list in 45 RAR files.
Examples
Pink Floyd "Pulse" from amazon.com
Pulse Hi-Fi VHS(not on DVD yet) - $21.99
Pulse Audio CD - $28.99
Same concert, same songs. The video has extra stuff at the end and of course, VIDEO to watch!
I wonder why it has not been released on DVD yet? I have a conspiracy theory if you want to here it.
How about "The Wall" Granted, the movie is closely related to the album but not really in standard song format throughout.
Audio CD - $27.99
DVD Movie - $27.99
Ever see the "Running Man" with Arnold Schwarzenegger? Does not appear to be as much a fictional as it once was.
My county has all their property records, real estate transactions, tax information, buyers, sellers, satellite photos, coordinates etc all available online.... On one hand it is very convenient to look at your property and values, on the other its scary to think that anyone in the world that is online can too.
/. It is a cool thing to play with and browse around with though. I don't know how updated it is, my pool has been in for almost 2 years and it doesn't show up in the photos.
The Prince William County mapper is here. For an example you can search by "address" for 8091 COUNSELOR. I live off of Bristow Road, haha. The tax information is available via link after finding an address. You can do all kinds of strange searches like adjoining properties, school boundaries, road paths, recently sold houses etc...
The site is normally slow so I doubt it can handle
I have had quite a few WD's do the same exact clicking/clonking thing. I ran the WD test utilities and it found no problems. I called WD tech support and they claimed it was my system bios configuration "trying to access a part of the disk that does not exist" and not a problem with the drive. Of course it had been running in the same machine for almost a year with no problems. I called back and spoke with a different tech who approved an RMA, same thing happened to the replacement 1 year after that.
Like stated later in this thread, they don't make stuff like they used too. The very first HD I bought in 1992 (Quantum LPS270)had been running various things until 1995 when I installed it in my Samba server as / where it sat headless running 24/7 from early 1995 to late 2001. It would still be in use today but I changed the server to RH from Slackware and I was having problems getting RH small enough to fit on it.
The recent WD's I've seen only come with a 1 year replacement policy, imagine that. I'm sure everyone has some beef with any HD failure regardless of the company but I personally have not had much luck with WD.
You published your feelings and comments in a public place for all of the world to see. You had a VERY BIG misconception and assumed that it would somehow disappear or wear out over time.
Just because it is electronic does not mean you have extra rights or exclusive control of its distribution at a later date. What about some obnoxious comment you wrote in your buddies HS yearbook? Do you have the right to take it from him or line it out?
My parents had a phone number that was one number off from a dentist office. I used to take and change appointments all the time!