I guess we're the odd ones out then as I'm pretty disappointed at this keynote. There's the AppleTV which isn't something I'm interested in as devices like that have been out for years, and a very expensive phone that is exclusive to a provider which all of my friends have suggested I avoid like the plague. I guess I'll be able to get one in 3-4 years, great...
I think what made me saddest was the name change from Apple Computer Inc to Apple Inc. Ars has been saying for sometime that Apple's future seems to be gizmo's and gadgets after the switch to Intel. I'm just all sorts of dejected.
Also, apple.com has been updated but it looks like its webserver is being blasted off the face of the planet heh.
Well, I bought an Inspiron B130 right before Christmas as my Pentium 2 latitude had seen the end of the line and was supprised how well it works with Linux. With Ubuntu edgy, everything worked out of the box sans needing 915resolution to get my widescreen supported properly. I find myself using the laptop more than my athlon64 desktop these days.
I would have liked the system to come without Windows, but booting the Ubuntu cdrom as soon as I got the machine and using dd to wipe the partition table solved that problem for me.
Hmm, so it sounds cool for Mac users to be able to place/timeshift their Tivo. I've been trying to get VLC to stream out video from my Hauppage card so I can send TV to my girlfriend's machine across the apartment over 802.11g. While a slingbox could probably do what I want, it doesn't have linux support.
Does anyone know of hardware that will allow the cable tv to be streamed to a laptop or TV where I can't run coax? She just wants to be able to watch TV in bed.
So ok, its not a perfect solution and might not fit as you didn't specify what you windows needs are, but what about running Win2k virtualized inside a vmware world? Both my laptop and desktop run Ubuntu only these days, but I do have an XP virtual machine on the desktop to "boot up" should I need something which requires Windows. I don't really find much of a reason to do that these days though.
If you do need to keep Windows natively on the hardware, I would advise setting up a hardware firewall between the machine and the internet, and browse securely with an up to date browswer (Firefox or Opera). Disable MS Filesharing if you don't use it.
Over the long term, you might want to consider why you're keeping Windows and find an alternative (Linux/OS X, whatever). I can't imagine that anything after Vista is going to be any better and well, you will have to upgrade your machines someday...
"so they are actively pursuing ways of crippling the spammers."
I vote for axe handles. Or, tie them to a bed, and smash thier ankles with a sledge hammer. That worked for Cathy Bates.
Now what sort of logic does that make? James Caan spent the rest of the movie in a wheelchair with a typewritter!. The spammers would still be able to spam, but not much else.
Well hmm, as someone who has run linux for about 8 years now and linux exclusively for the last 3 I guess I'd take a swing at these things.
1) As mentioned by another poster, that "issue" can be "fixed" by adjusting permissions. I'm not sure why you think typing 5 extra keystrokes is a big deal. 2) Well, um, duh? If you're in MS's camp to being with, you're going to need their toys to play along. 3) I've never had that experience. Though again, the first thing I did with my new laptop was wipe it of windows and the gig of Dell preinstalled ickyness (though, if I was still using XP, I'd have wiped it and installed a fresh XP install without the Dell ickyness anyway). 4) I have an intel 2200BG card; I entered my wpa key in the little box which asks for it and thats really all there is to it. I turn on my computer now and it connects. 5) Well, thats your option which I don't share. I find Linux to have better software options, other than in the games realm though I think there I'd be more likely to buy a wii.
Changing operating systems based on the speed of a Halo trailer leads me to believe that you're trolling. I've never had a problem with the H.264 stuff from Apple although I guess the Halo stuff could be WMV.
I don't see anything in any of your points why a normal user couldn't carry out office functions and web browsing under linux. Especially considering that some of the top web browsers (Opera & Firefox) run on both OS's and some of the better office apps (Abiword & OpenOffice) also run on both.
I bought a new Dell Inspiron laptop. I have 1 and 3. I can't comment on 2 as well, I find it cheaper to go to walmart for the 2-3 photos a year I want in hard copy.
All the new purchased PC (PC means personal computer for the Microsoft folks) games are for Linux, I bought 8 games this year.
If you're willing, would you be willing to list them? I have pretty much every idsoftware game on my desktop, but I'm always looking for new stuff (especially non-FPS). My laptop can't handle extreme graphic requirements and I can play only so much mahjong:).
Well, the Mint doesn't do anything with $1 bill or any bill for that matter. That would be the Bureau of Engraving and Printing. The Mint does the coins and Bureau of Engraving and Printing does the paper.
That said, I'm pretty much supportive of nuking the penny, making $1 a coin, and creating a $5 coin (but keeping the bill). But thats just my $2.
I grew up with the kits so they've been doing that for awhile. Today there aren't as many choices - I always liked the space ones and now everything has to be god awfull starwars crap.
Even with the kits, you'd play with the spaceships and eventually, you'd drop them, or they'd break apart in the bucket you stored them in. Then you got to build your own creations from the debris. The best of both worlds:).
As someone who's casually interested in picking one up, how hard are the Wii's to find? Are they going *poof* as soon as shipments get into the stores? I'm probably going to wait until January (just bought a laptop) but even my girlfriend has expressed an interest in it. Naturally I have to investigate:).
I think your average Linux/BSD user is going to be in Mostly Free. My desktop has the Nvidia Driver and flashplayer to make things run. I just ordered a new Dell Laptop and it will need Ndiswrapper for the wifi. The OpenSource drivers are coming (broadcom chip) but even then I have to use some binary firmware.
I also have Flashplayer on the system and (the real killer), Vmware with a Windows XP installation for times when a work app just needs windows.
Your average Windows user is probably Mostly Proprietary (some free). There is some middle ground.
Well, I want to run filterset.g which consists of dozens of regexps. It works out of the box blocking everything I want blocked and not really anything I don't. I can click one button to disable it if I want.
Opera's never done that. I can block ads, but not as well or it takes more work to get going. The main reason I don't use konqueror is that I use gnome or XFCE and try rather hard not to have qt or kdelibs installed on my system. Opera I can get by with the static qt version.
I just don't understand why it is so hard to add regexp support to opera's filtering.
I have to say, I would switch over to Opera too, IF there was a way of using regexp based filtering like the adblock extension. I don't see ads with Firefox and adblock. I don't really want to use Firefox as I think its a disaster area of a browser next to Opera or Konq but since I'm a gnome user who has an addition to blocked ads, I'm stuck with this thing until something changes.
It kills me because all I need is that one thing and firefox is gone.
Uh, the reason "none of the bad things(tm) happened" is that people made a substantial effort to prevent the environmental disasters. There has been a massive amount of environmental work done since 1970s at least in the US. Recycling, new environmental laws, etc, prevented the fish from dying and the water from being toxic. (Now whether you think it has been too much or too little is another topic and anything said there is probably flamebait:)).
Or to put it in a context for this site, the Y2K bug. We flipped from 19xx to 20xx without much of a problem because a lot of testing and code corrections were done before January 1 hit. You can't write that off either.
Well, looking for rational responses to this issue on slashdot is an uphill battle:).
For Novell, they got a big chunk of cash and the ablity to market "look we work with MS" to business folks. For MS, they get to play havoc with the Linux market. Even if they don't say it, they've said Novell is safe from patent suits whereas nobody else is. (IBM is probably safe as well, given that they patent just about anything, anywhere, anytime so I'm sure they have some stuff MS is using). The cons for MS, are well, they spent however many millions (which is probably nothing to them) and the cons for Novell is that, many Linux users view this as betrayal.
For my own part, Novell is a company and I don't care what they do business-wise, but now that the pool is polluted, I'll never use any of their products again. I started using Linux as a second skillset many years ago like you did for a simple reason - it couldn't be taken away. MS was rattling the drum on how Windows 98 would not be supported in a few years and everyone should update to ME (or maybe it was from ME to XP, or 98 to 2k - I don't remember). If a company can come in and pull the rug out from Novell, then I'd be stuck. So I will stick to things they don't have a hand in.
That annoys me as I'm considering moving my main workstation to a MacBook (right now its a Ubuntu Linux desktop) and ifolder looked to be the app I needed to keep the two in sync. Its mono-based and made by Novell so now its out and I don't have a good alternative. I'm also worried about Gnome absorbing Mono into its base. I was able to purge it from this system after I got Edge Eft installed, but if it becomes linked into the base of Gnome, I'll be saying goodbye to the desktop I've used since starting with Linux (that'd be about gnome 1.2ish days). That hasn't happened yet, but there is always KDE and XFCE around should that happen.
Umm, so I know I've run proprietary code on Linux. Nvidia Drivers at the moment as well as Flash and Java. Codeweavers, Oracle, and that small company called IBM...
I'm sure many people can run MS Office in Wine. Now why you'd want to is another matter...
Indeed, and I will look into it, but this proves my point a bit. I'm going to have to pull out the 64-bit firefox, and do some various sorts of magic to get the flash plugin to work (and I'm really debating if flash is worth all of that). My TV card does work but there is a 4+ page howto on what I have to do to get the remote control associated with it to work.
A Macbook and a dumpster would solve all of this frustration.
I'd have to agree with that. I have been running Linux since I was 16-17ish (I'm now 24) and frankly I'm pretty exhausted with it. I've used Slackware, Debian, Suse, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, and Ubunutu and while Ubunutu is pretty close to just "install and go", I still have to jump through hoops and pray that my hardware is supported. When I built my last computer a year and half ago, I seriously considered a MacMini. It probably would have cost as much, offered me all of the opensource applications I love, and wouldn't sound like the jet engine. My next upgrade cycle in probably 2 years, will likely see me switching to a Macbook and tossing out my two athlons and I'd trade them today if I could. I guess I'm a Linux hobbiest who no longer wants to spend hours working on his hobby. It should just work.
I think Linux is as the point that for it to work out of the box, you need the support of vendors and commerical application providers. Ubuntu pops up on my system just fine and the install isn't a problem... once I patch ASUS's broken bios. Once its up, I can surf most of the web... other than the ever incresing number of sites which require flash (64-bit ubunutu so no flashplayer plugin). Gaim works for the most part and I can get into Gmail. Getting the tvcard on the machine to work requires all of my accumulated tech kharma over the years. When my fiance says, "go to this website and tell me what you think" and I have to respond with, "well, let me boot up my windows xp box and rdesktop into it" she rolls her eyes. And she has a point.
Now if I can just convince her that to prove her point she has to buy me that Mac...:)
And while Yosho's post is spot on, it is also worth noting that well, FreeBSD is in the midst of a ports freeze, 3.5.5 probably will not be in the mainstream tree until later in the month/early next month. A FreeBSD/KDE person would probably have a better idea of that. I'm sure it will be fetchable from non-offical mirrors before that though. I'm presently using gnome 2.16 on FreeBSD that way.
I know you're right but that does make me feel very old. Teenagers today can video conference, cell phone, IM, myspace, iTunes, etc all at once. Back in my day, *gets out cane*, if you got IE 3.0 and AIM working life was good. My cousin in elementary school has a better laptop and cell phone than I do. I know there are people on this site who fondly remember punchcards, but kids today.
Get off my yard!
*marks himself DEPRECATED and schedules date for port removal*
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I guess we're the odd ones out then as I'm pretty disappointed at this keynote. There's the AppleTV which isn't something I'm interested in as devices like that have been out for years, and a very expensive phone that is exclusive to a provider which all of my friends have suggested I avoid like the plague. I guess I'll be able to get one in 3-4 years, great ...
I think what made me saddest was the name change from Apple Computer Inc to Apple Inc. Ars has been saying for sometime that Apple's future seems to be gizmo's and gadgets after the switch to Intel. I'm just all sorts of dejected.
Also, apple.com has been updated but it looks like its webserver is being blasted off the face of the planet heh.
Well, I bought an Inspiron B130 right before Christmas as my Pentium 2 latitude had seen the end of the line and was supprised how well it works with Linux. With Ubuntu edgy, everything worked out of the box sans needing 915resolution to get my widescreen supported properly. I find myself using the laptop more than my athlon64 desktop these days.
I would have liked the system to come without Windows, but booting the Ubuntu cdrom as soon as I got the machine and using dd to wipe the partition table solved that problem for me.
Hmm, so it sounds cool for Mac users to be able to place/timeshift their Tivo. I've been trying to get VLC to stream out video from my Hauppage card so I can send TV to my girlfriend's machine across the apartment over 802.11g. While a slingbox could probably do what I want, it doesn't have linux support.
Does anyone know of hardware that will allow the cable tv to be streamed to a laptop or TV where I can't run coax? She just wants to be able to watch TV in bed.
So ok, its not a perfect solution and might not fit as you didn't specify what you windows needs are, but what about running Win2k virtualized inside a vmware world? Both my laptop and desktop run Ubuntu only these days, but I do have an XP virtual machine on the desktop to "boot up" should I need something which requires Windows. I don't really find much of a reason to do that these days though.
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If you do need to keep Windows natively on the hardware, I would advise setting up a hardware firewall between the machine and the internet, and browse securely with an up to date browswer (Firefox or Opera). Disable MS Filesharing if you don't use it.
Over the long term, you might want to consider why you're keeping Windows and find an alternative (Linux/OS X, whatever). I can't imagine that anything after Vista is going to be any better and well, you will have to upgrade your machines someday
"so they are actively pursuing ways of crippling the spammers."
I vote for axe handles. Or, tie them to a bed, and smash thier ankles with a sledge hammer. That worked for Cathy Bates.
Now what sort of logic does that make? James Caan spent the rest of the movie in a wheelchair with a typewritter!. The spammers would still be able to spam, but not much else.
Well hmm, as someone who has run linux for about 8 years now and linux exclusively for the last 3 I guess I'd take a swing at these things.
1) As mentioned by another poster, that "issue" can be "fixed" by adjusting permissions. I'm not sure why you think typing 5 extra keystrokes is a big deal.
2) Well, um, duh? If you're in MS's camp to being with, you're going to need their toys to play along.
3) I've never had that experience. Though again, the first thing I did with my new laptop was wipe it of windows and the gig of Dell preinstalled ickyness (though, if I was still using XP, I'd have wiped it and installed a fresh XP install without the Dell ickyness anyway).
4) I have an intel 2200BG card; I entered my wpa key in the little box which asks for it and thats really all there is to it. I turn on my computer now and it connects.
5) Well, thats your option which I don't share. I find Linux to have better software options, other than in the games realm though I think there I'd be more likely to buy a wii.
Changing operating systems based on the speed of a Halo trailer leads me to believe that you're trolling. I've never had a problem with the H.264 stuff from Apple although I guess the Halo stuff could be WMV.
I don't see anything in any of your points why a normal user couldn't carry out office functions and web browsing under linux. Especially considering that some of the top web browsers (Opera & Firefox) run on both OS's and some of the better office apps (Abiword & OpenOffice) also run on both.
I bought a new Dell Inspiron laptop. I have 1 and 3. I can't comment on 2 as well, I find it cheaper to go to walmart for the 2-3 photos a year I want in hard copy.
All the new purchased PC (PC means personal computer for the Microsoft folks) games are for Linux, I bought 8 games this year.
:).
If you're willing, would you be willing to list them? I have pretty much every idsoftware game on my desktop, but I'm always looking for new stuff (especially non-FPS). My laptop can't handle extreme graphic requirements and I can play only so much mahjong
Well, the Mint doesn't do anything with $1 bill or any bill for that matter. That would be the Bureau of Engraving and Printing. The Mint does the coins and Bureau of Engraving and Printing does the paper.
That said, I'm pretty much supportive of nuking the penny, making $1 a coin, and creating a $5 coin (but keeping the bill). But thats just my $2.
I grew up with the kits so they've been doing that for awhile. Today there aren't as many choices - I always liked the space ones and now everything has to be god awfull starwars crap.
:).
Even with the kits, you'd play with the spaceships and eventually, you'd drop them, or they'd break apart in the bucket you stored them in. Then you got to build your own creations from the debris. The best of both worlds
"Give me your wallet."
"Well, ok, but now I carry all of my money in this chip embedded in my hand."
*Lops off your hand and runs off with it*
Am I the only one that saw that problem coming?
Thanks Fryed.
:).
I will bide my time and wait until I can just go in and pick one up as an impulse buy. Otherwise, what excuse would I have
As someone who's casually interested in picking one up, how hard are the Wii's to find? Are they going *poof* as soon as shipments get into the stores? I'm probably going to wait until January (just bought a laptop) but even my girlfriend has expressed an interest in it. Naturally I have to investigate :).
I think your average Linux/BSD user is going to be in Mostly Free. My desktop has the Nvidia Driver and flashplayer to make things run. I just ordered a new Dell Laptop and it will need Ndiswrapper for the wifi. The OpenSource drivers are coming (broadcom chip) but even then I have to use some binary firmware.
I also have Flashplayer on the system and (the real killer), Vmware with a Windows XP installation for times when a work app just needs windows.
Your average Windows user is probably Mostly Proprietary (some free). There is some middle ground.
Well, I want to run filterset.g which consists of dozens of regexps. It works out of the box blocking everything I want blocked and not really anything I don't. I can click one button to disable it if I want.
Opera's never done that. I can block ads, but not as well or it takes more work to get going. The main reason I don't use konqueror is that I use gnome or XFCE and try rather hard not to have qt or kdelibs installed on my system. Opera I can get by with the static qt version.
I just don't understand why it is so hard to add regexp support to opera's filtering.
I have to say, I would switch over to Opera too, IF there was a way of using regexp based filtering like the adblock extension. I don't see ads with Firefox and adblock. I don't really want to use Firefox as I think its a disaster area of a browser next to Opera or Konq but since I'm a gnome user who has an addition to blocked ads, I'm stuck with this thing until something changes.
It kills me because all I need is that one thing and firefox is gone.
Uh, the reason "none of the bad things(tm) happened" is that people made a substantial effort to prevent the environmental disasters. There has been a massive amount of environmental work done since 1970s at least in the US. Recycling, new environmental laws, etc, prevented the fish from dying and the water from being toxic. (Now whether you think it has been too much or too little is another topic and anything said there is probably flamebait :)).
Or to put it in a context for this site, the Y2K bug. We flipped from 19xx to 20xx without much of a problem because a lot of testing and code corrections were done before January 1 hit. You can't write that off either.
Well, looking for rational responses to this issue on slashdot is an uphill battle :).
For Novell, they got a big chunk of cash and the ablity to market "look we work with MS" to business folks. For MS, they get to play havoc with the Linux market. Even if they don't say it, they've said Novell is safe from patent suits whereas nobody else is. (IBM is probably safe as well, given that they patent just about anything, anywhere, anytime so I'm sure they have some stuff MS is using). The cons for MS, are well, they spent however many millions (which is probably nothing to them) and the cons for Novell is that, many Linux users view this as betrayal.
For my own part, Novell is a company and I don't care what they do business-wise, but now that the pool is polluted, I'll never use any of their products again. I started using Linux as a second skillset many years ago like you did for a simple reason - it couldn't be taken away. MS was rattling the drum on how Windows 98 would not be supported in a few years and everyone should update to ME (or maybe it was from ME to XP, or 98 to 2k - I don't remember). If a company can come in and pull the rug out from Novell, then I'd be stuck. So I will stick to things they don't have a hand in.
That annoys me as I'm considering moving my main workstation to a MacBook (right now its a Ubuntu Linux desktop) and ifolder looked to be the app I needed to keep the two in sync. Its mono-based and made by Novell so now its out and I don't have a good alternative. I'm also worried about Gnome absorbing Mono into its base. I was able to purge it from this system after I got Edge Eft installed, but if it becomes linked into the base of Gnome, I'll be saying goodbye to the desktop I've used since starting with Linux (that'd be about gnome 1.2ish days). That hasn't happened yet, but there is always KDE and XFCE around should that happen.
Mac users suspend theirs, so they pick up where they left off. They also don't hear the "bwong" sound 10 times a day.
Umm, so I know I've run proprietary code on Linux. Nvidia Drivers at the moment as well as Flash and Java. Codeweavers, Oracle, and that small company called IBM ...
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I'm sure many people can run MS Office in Wine. Now why you'd want to is another matter
Can I mod his comment -1 (not so insightful)?
Indeed, and I will look into it, but this proves my point a bit. I'm going to have to pull out the 64-bit firefox, and do some various sorts of magic to get the flash plugin to work (and I'm really debating if flash is worth all of that). My TV card does work but there is a 4+ page howto on what I have to do to get the remote control associated with it to work.
A Macbook and a dumpster would solve all of this frustration.
I'd have to agree with that. I have been running Linux since I was 16-17ish (I'm now 24) and frankly I'm pretty exhausted with it. I've used Slackware, Debian, Suse, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, and Ubunutu and while Ubunutu is pretty close to just "install and go", I still have to jump through hoops and pray that my hardware is supported. When I built my last computer a year and half ago, I seriously considered a MacMini. It probably would have cost as much, offered me all of the opensource applications I love, and wouldn't sound like the jet engine. My next upgrade cycle in probably 2 years, will likely see me switching to a Macbook and tossing out my two athlons and I'd trade them today if I could. I guess I'm a Linux hobbiest who no longer wants to spend hours working on his hobby. It should just work.
... once I patch ASUS's broken bios. Once its up, I can surf most of the web ... other than the ever incresing number of sites which require flash (64-bit ubunutu so no flashplayer plugin). Gaim works for the most part and I can get into Gmail. Getting the tvcard on the machine to work requires all of my accumulated tech kharma over the years. When my fiance says, "go to this website and tell me what you think" and I have to respond with, "well, let me boot up my windows xp box and rdesktop into it" she rolls her eyes. And she has a point.
... :)
I think Linux is as the point that for it to work out of the box, you need the support of vendors and commerical application providers. Ubuntu pops up on my system just fine and the install isn't a problem
Now if I can just convince her that to prove her point she has to buy me that Mac
And while Yosho's post is spot on, it is also worth noting that well, FreeBSD is in the midst of a ports freeze, 3.5.5 probably will not be in the mainstream tree until later in the month/early next month. A FreeBSD/KDE person would probably have a better idea of that. I'm sure it will be fetchable from non-offical mirrors before that though. I'm presently using gnome 2.16 on FreeBSD that way.
A better quote from Shakespeare relevant to the patent process:
"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers"
King Henry VI, Part II, Act IV, Scene II.
I know you're right but that does make me feel very old. Teenagers today can video conference, cell phone, IM, myspace, iTunes, etc all at once. Back in my day, *gets out cane*, if you got IE 3.0 and AIM working life was good. My cousin in elementary school has a better laptop and cell phone than I do. I know there are people on this site who fondly remember punchcards, but kids today.
Get off my yard!
*marks himself DEPRECATED and schedules date for port removal*