Gentoo is a wonderful distribution... It's the only thing recent that I could get to install on my sparc64 box. Debian installed just fine, and in about 2/3rds the time it took to install gentoo:-)
For your desktop box, I would urge you to do at least a gentoo stage 1 build, if not a Linux From Scratch install. These will take you forever to finish, but your knowledge of the linux as an OS will skyrocket.
Absolutely!
You don't and can't know everything. Admit this often. It's part of the key to learning.
Old tech support adage (I used to do bob jobs before becoming SA a few years ago) "It's not that you know all the answers but you know where to find them". It's impossible to know it all, let alone remember it all. Keep track of where you find things so you can find them again.
I'd suggest thinking long and hard about installing Gentoo on 10 machines running an existing environment.
no no no no never install it on a production environment as a test. Find another machine and install it a few times, on that same machine. Don't format your production machines until you're confident in your skills.
Can you give us the IP addresses of these machines?
127.0.0.1/8
I'd recommend installing gentoo. It will take you some serious effort, but once you make it through it will seem easier the 2nd time. Install it about 4 or 5 times, and you will know a lot about linux. Then move on to another distro that doesn't take 3 days to compile the window manager like mandrake or debian (my personal favs in that order).
be warned however that you will get very frustrated if you try the gentoo thing. It will teach you how to manually create all your partitions, manually create your fstab, manually mount partitions, manually create and mount swap space, how to setup a chroot, etc etc... all of these things you will need to understand to administrate _any_ linux system, and many other unix variants. Have 2 systems running:1 that is on the gentoo install page (the docs are very good, read closely so you know when to skip ahead, i accidentally switched over to a stage 1 install because I skipped the section that said "if you are doing a stage3 skip to the next section), and the 2nd machine to actually do the install on.
Well I'm installing it right now on a 2G barton cored athlon xp and the install says it's going to take 3 1/2 hours (that doesn't count the darwin install i had to do prior). Don't expect much out of it. It will install, but look at the version number; 0.1, that's pretty low. I think that's the megahurtz rating. When it get's to version.2 it will run at.2 megahurtz.
If you need the QoS, but not necessarily a full T1 maybe you should look at SDSL. With ADSL the phone company owns the switching equipment and can turn it off/move/upgrade/whatever whenever they want. But with SDSL the provider (ie speakeasy, covad(if covad does sdsl)) owns the switching equipment and will skip over it when doing their moves/upgrades/whatever. Speakeasy has a QoS guarantee. I still feel safer with a T1 though:-)
backhoes are easy to fix, I remember when I worked at Mindspring (pre-Earthlink) there was major outage (a hurricane I think) in NY that not only broke the T1 (there was exposed fiber) but it was also under 30' of water. It took 7 days to drain the water before the cables could be repaired.
If your T1 is down tht often I'd change providers. My T1 has been 'slow' once in the past year with 1 outage that lasted for about an hour when we first installed it.
Funny thing is that most people firewall the original "plog" from years ago. Just turn on finger, make a.plan and bingo, instant plog. Of course my.plan always consisted of an ascii middle finger so when someone fingered me, I fingered them back. So maybe this new way is better after all?
I found this list of expired names as of Mar 10 2004 (it appears from the URL. Perhaps this company is folding or didn't want the name? Or it could be completely unrelated.
This science experiment is silly. I could have told them about the global dimming thing. Just compare the Beatles "Abbey Road" with a google search of "london". It's much darker over there now than it was when the Beatles released that album.
actually be threw yellowtab and "official bone" right before palm bought them. A little zeta history.
<snippet> Before Be, Inc. sold its assets to Palm, Inc., we managed to close a deal allowing us to distribute the PE version and had started negotiations over the future of the Pro version. Koch Media was ready to reissue the copies of the Pro Version that they hadn't managed to resell, to make it a part of a new distribution first called BeOS NG (New Generation), now renamed to "Zeta". </snippet>
and since Be lives on, it will probably be awhile before netcraft confirms it. At least Yellowtab, is releasing something whereas amiga hasn't released anything tangible (although they say they have) since os v4.
I considered the matrix 2 and 3, as well the star wars prequels to be borderline blasphemous. All the while I'm waiting for the next Legend of Zelda to be released...I'm just finishing up the windwaker now. This will make me sad when the game ends...what will I get?
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Gentoo is a wonderful distribution... It's the only thing recent that I could get to install on my sparc64 box. Debian installed just fine, and in about 2/3rds the time it took to install gentoo :-)
For your desktop box, I would urge you to do at least a gentoo stage 1 build, if not a Linux From Scratch install. These will take you forever to finish, but your knowledge of the linux as an OS will skyrocket.
Absolutely!
You don't and can't know everything. Admit this often. It's part of the key to learning.
Old tech support adage (I used to do bob jobs before becoming SA a few years ago) "It's not that you know all the answers but you know where to find them". It's impossible to know it all, let alone remember it all. Keep track of where you find things so you can find them again.
I'd suggest thinking long and hard about installing Gentoo on 10 machines running an existing environment.
no no no no never install it on a production environment as a test. Find another machine and install it a few times, on that same machine. Don't format your production machines until you're confident in your skills.
Can you give us the IP addresses of these machines?
:-)
127.0.0.1/8
I'd recommend installing gentoo. It will take you some serious effort, but once you make it through it will seem easier the 2nd time. Install it about 4 or 5 times, and you will know a lot about linux. Then move on to another distro that doesn't take 3 days to compile the window manager like mandrake or debian (my personal favs in that order).
be warned however that you will get very frustrated if you try the gentoo thing. It will teach you how to manually create all your partitions, manually create your fstab, manually mount partitions, manually create and mount swap space, how to setup a chroot, etc etc... all of these things you will need to understand to administrate _any_ linux system, and many other unix variants. Have 2 systems running:1 that is on the gentoo install page (the docs are very good, read closely so you know when to skip ahead, i accidentally switched over to a stage 1 install because I skipped the section that said "if you are doing a stage3 skip to the next section), and the 2nd machine to actually do the install on.
ps. do the stage 3 install
then print it all out on 10,000 pages
Then on the way over there, drop it, so all the pages go flying and put them all back together out of order.
Well I'm installing it right now on a 2G barton cored athlon xp and the install says it's going to take 3 1/2 hours (that doesn't count the darwin install i had to do prior). Don't expect much out of it. It will install, but look at the version number; 0.1, that's pretty low. I think that's the megahurtz rating. When it get's to version .2 it will run at .2 megahurtz.
If you need the QoS, but not necessarily a full T1 maybe you should look at SDSL. With ADSL the phone company owns the switching equipment and can turn it off/move/upgrade/whatever whenever they want. But with SDSL the provider (ie speakeasy, covad(if covad does sdsl)) owns the switching equipment and will skip over it when doing their moves/upgrades/whatever. Speakeasy has a QoS guarantee. I still feel safer with a T1 though :-)
backhoes are easy to fix, I remember when I worked at Mindspring (pre-Earthlink) there was major outage (a hurricane I think) in NY that not only broke the T1 (there was exposed fiber) but it was also under 30' of water. It took 7 days to drain the water before the cables could be repaired.
If your T1 is down tht often I'd change providers. My T1 has been 'slow' once in the past year with 1 outage that lasted for about an hour when we first installed it.
oh man I wish I had mod points LOLOL!!! (well I do, but I can't mod the same thread I've posted in)
Couldn't you also hibernate instead of reboot? Or upgrade to *nix?
How did you keep the buffer going?
Funny thing is that most people firewall the original "plog" from years ago. Just turn on finger, make a .plan and bingo, instant plog. Of course my .plan always consisted of an ascii middle finger so when someone fingered me, I fingered them back. So maybe this new way is better after all?
I found this list of expired names as of Mar 10 2004 (it appears from the URL. Perhaps this company is folding or didn't want the name? Or it could be completely unrelated.
Imagine SETI running on that!!!
ya like the cuneiform tablet that refers to soddom. Cool stuff.
As for the library they should have had an offsite backup. Or maybe this is the reason we know that?
Don't forget that ALL of the servers with the longest uptime are BSD-based.
Well duh!
This science experiment is silly. I could have told them about the global dimming thing. Just compare the Beatles "Abbey Road" with a google search of "london". It's much darker over there now than it was when the Beatles released that album.
oh great going _back_ in time? NOW how will us fan bois get the zelda timeline to make any sense?? sheeesh
Jesus has bigger things to worry about than that. :-)
oh and ps, I think it's 4 ;-)
actually be threw yellowtab and "official bone" right before palm bought them. A little zeta history.
<snippet>
Before Be, Inc. sold its assets to Palm, Inc., we managed to close a deal allowing us to distribute the PE version and had started negotiations over the future of the Pro version. Koch Media was ready to reissue the copies of the Pro Version that they hadn't managed to resell, to make it a part of a new distribution first called BeOS NG (New Generation), now renamed to "Zeta".
</snippet>
and since Be lives on, it will probably be awhile before netcraft confirms it. At least Yellowtab, is releasing something whereas amiga hasn't released anything tangible (although they say they have) since os v4.
reminds me of that scene in spaceballs where they refer to the review of rocky 5....thousand.
I considered the matrix 2 and 3, as well the star wars prequels to be borderline blasphemous. All the while I'm waiting for the next Legend of Zelda to be released...I'm just finishing up the windwaker now. This will make me sad when the game ends...what will I get?
You mean like this?