If we don't get enough maintainers doing releases, we might delay it for a day at most. But if they all pitch in, it will be released on Wednesday as usual. Nothing to see here.:-)
- Jeff Waugh
Release co-ordinator, The GNOME Project
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Can someone please take this out of the GNOME section? It has utterly zip all to do with the far cooler, arse-kicking, totally Free Software GNOME Project.
Build space is always huge, and you have to remember that the binaries are unstripped and built with full debugging symbols so that the bugs reported are actually useful for developers. It's quite a bit smaller when you build without debugging and strip the binaries (but please, don't do this until it's released).
Additionally, the GNOME 2.0 Desktop *replaces* the GNOME 1.4 desktop components, so most RPMs will not "coexist nicely".
The original poster (see here) was correct - the GNOME 2.0 platform is actually a substantial API change, which is far greater than simple ABI incompatibility and new APIs.
It means that instead of being able to simply recompile, apps also need to be ported to the new and changed APIs.
The GTK+ family of libraries, and the GNOME libraries have seen a huge amount of development; this is why the release - by no means just pretty buttons on your desktop, it's an entire development platform - has taken some time.
Thus, this release is far more similar to the KDE 1.x -> 2.x release cycle as mentioned in the comment linked above.
Not only did Sun provide their usability study to the GNOME community for review and reflection, the GNOME Usability Project has been working very hard on both our Human Interface Guide and some basic changes they feel are essential for the GNOME 2.0 Desktop release. You can find these on the GUP website.
These have certainly not been ignored, in fact, they have spawned an incredible amount of discussion and development work. The screenshot you see of the new control centre is a port of the 1.5 version that Ximian have been shipping as a preview component of their GNOME 1.4 desktop.
Many of the superfluous options have been removed from GNOME's user interface, which is a very important step in the right direction for usability. Don't worry, all those crazy options that we geeks love will be still be around, they'll just be harder to get to (so umpteen million options don't crowd our preferences dialogues).
Indeed, the concept of configuring so many seemingly disparate parts of the desktop, such as GTK+ themes, window manager themes, backgrounds, etc., will be simplified with the new Metatheme system, which integrates all of these into a simple dialogue. You can very easily make your own metathemes too.
I hope these address your concerns about GNOME developer's desire to improve the usability of our desktop.:)
Richard's comment certainly doesn't mean that the GNU or GNOME projects are not interested in accessibility. We are *very* interested, and the GNOME 2.0 release will hopefully see many of the benefits of working with Sun Microsystems' accessibility team.
I think the main point is that yes, we do want to replace proprietary systems with Free ones... and that includes incredibly important things such as allowing our software to be used by the disabled.
Your contribution to GNOME's accessibility efforts would be greatly appreciated!
Speed and overhead are different things: You can have an incredibly fast webserver, but it may take 99% CPU to pull it off. That's bad.:)
Same goes for filesystems. A great filesystem is going to have stunningly low overhead, and be blisteringly fast [ plus be 8-hours-sleep reliable, but you can only choose two;) ].
I mean... You want your machine to do things outside of managing their filesystems, don't you?;)
In other news, several university students in Australia have created "the wheel" - designed before the separation of Gondwana by Urgor Groff, father of evolutionary humanity - as a graduation prank.
One onlooker praised its amazing "rolling" motion, saying that, "It's mighty cool that something envisioned so long ago has actually been created with relatively little trouble."
No animals or reputations were hurt during the wheel's construction.
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Sat Dec 12 20:05:14 1981
Emergency meeting of UCF Suicide Club
The University of Central Florida Suicide Club will have an emergency
meeting on December 15 at 1:59 pm on the roof of the Humanities
and Fine Arts Building.
This meeting is being scheduled due to the Cap5623 (AI course) take-home
final exam being due on December 15 at 2:00pm.
Visitors are welcome.
I'm sorry, but is this a disturbing thought? Who in their right mind would organise a Suicide Club meeting on the roof? One wonders if the Club ever met more than once.
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Yeah, these machines are sweet, I'm writing this from one right now! *hic*
If we don't get enough maintainers doing releases, we might delay it for a day at most. But if they all pitch in, it will be released on Wednesday as usual. Nothing to see here. :-)
- Jeff Waugh
Release co-ordinator, The GNOME Project
Can someone please take this out of the GNOME section? It has utterly zip all to do with the far cooler, arse-kicking, totally Free Software GNOME Project.
:-)
Thanks.
It's a roaming conference, you wanker! The Sydney conference (the first called 'linux.conf.au') was held in 2001.
Slacker.
The plural of 'lego' is in fact, 'lego'. Thank you.
Nautilus is awesome for WebDAV and Apple's iDisk (which is just WebDAV anyway). Copy, preview, change, all in your file manager.
Yum!
Additionally, the GNOME 2.0 Desktop *replaces* the GNOME 1.4 desktop components, so most RPMs will not "coexist nicely".
It's actually ...  ;*bounce*bounce*bounce*, and it's the sound of a thousand bouncing Miguels.
Sure, that's what GARNOME is for.
:-)
There will be a beta 2 version ready when I get home from work tonight.
First reason: Codenames don't generally mean anything. They're fairly random, chosen by the people on the release team who are present at the time.
Second reason: Sweden is the backbone of GNOME.
Java: Absolutely Proprietary.
.NET CLR, C# etc.: ECMA Standards.
Questions?
The massive changes are at the GTK+ family level, not the GNOME libraries level. We didn't have to rewrite libgnome. ;)
Hi there,
The original poster (see here) was correct - the GNOME 2.0 platform is actually a substantial API change, which is far greater than simple ABI incompatibility and new APIs.
It means that instead of being able to simply recompile, apps also need to be ported to the new and changed APIs.
The GTK+ family of libraries, and the GNOME libraries have seen a huge amount of development; this is why the release - by no means just pretty buttons on your desktop, it's an entire development platform - has taken some time.
Thus, this release is far more similar to the KDE 1.x -> 2.x release cycle as mentioned in the comment linked above.
Hi there,
:)
Not only did Sun provide their usability study to the GNOME community for review and reflection, the GNOME Usability Project has been working very hard on both our Human Interface Guide and some basic changes they feel are essential for the GNOME 2.0 Desktop release. You can find these on the GUP website.
These have certainly not been ignored, in fact, they have spawned an incredible amount of discussion and development work. The screenshot you see of the new control centre is a port of the 1.5 version that Ximian have been shipping as a preview component of their GNOME 1.4 desktop.
Many of the superfluous options have been removed from GNOME's user interface, which is a very important step in the right direction for usability. Don't worry, all those crazy options that we geeks love will be still be around, they'll just be harder to get to (so umpteen million options don't crowd our preferences dialogues).
Indeed, the concept of configuring so many seemingly disparate parts of the desktop, such as GTK+ themes, window manager themes, backgrounds, etc., will be simplified with the new Metatheme system, which integrates all of these into a simple dialogue. You can very easily make your own metathemes too.
I hope these address your concerns about GNOME developer's desire to improve the usability of our desktop.
Hey there,
Richard's comment certainly doesn't mean that the GNU or GNOME projects are not interested in accessibility. We are *very* interested, and the GNOME 2.0 release will hopefully see many of the benefits of working with Sun Microsystems' accessibility team.
You should check out the GNOME Accessibility Project's pages to see what's going on.
I think the main point is that yes, we do want to replace proprietary systems with Free ones... and that includes incredibly important things such as allowing our software to be used by the disabled.
Your contribution to GNOME's accessibility efforts would be greatly appreciated!
Speed and overhead are different things: You can have an incredibly fast webserver, but it may take 99% CPU to pull it off. That's bad. :)
;) ].
;)
Same goes for filesystems. A great filesystem is going to have stunningly low overhead, and be blisteringly fast [ plus be 8-hours-sleep reliable, but you can only choose two
I mean... You want your machine to do things outside of managing their filesystems, don't you?
That's an overhead you can safely quash by other means (faster disk subsystem, efficient RAID, etc).
A fsck is unpredictable wasted time you can't get around unless you've used a journalling filesystem - it may take hours, it may not work at all.
I'll play it safe, thanks.
In other news, several university students in Australia have created "the wheel" - designed before the separation of Gondwana by Urgor Groff, father of evolutionary humanity - as a graduation prank.
One onlooker praised its amazing "rolling" motion, saying that, "It's mighty cool that something envisioned so long ago has actually been created with relatively little trouble."
No animals or reputations were hurt during the wheel's construction.
Almost... :)
Jeff Dike and User Mode Linux to the rescue.
(And I have to say something else here so that the lameness filter doesn't filter my joke. The lameness filter is lame.)
Can't we have a story about Australia that doesn't include the words, "Down Under"? GAR GAR GAR!
Tell me it's true: tired.cranky is Linux Torvalds in disguise, right? I would be.
I forgot the smiley -> I did get the joke. :)
Hahahaha... You just have to look at the character page for Bail Organa.
I mean, this was the only time we've seen the old chap.
Laugh yourself silly.