and im talking about an even lower attribute...where one can be able to tell whether one was or was not consiouss at a given point in the past...so you don't beleive in this attribute of the mindP?
i too count dreamstates as consioussness...but there are times of dreamless, unconsious states where the only way for me to have been aware during these times is as you say if i was aware but cannot remember...im uncertian how to succeed here...
how about this... do you agree that nerves can be appended to the body...whether meat like leg nerves attatched to a wounded arm or mechanichal like the laptop-optic stuff they are doing? would you then say that there was feeling in these nerves before after but not during any time when they may be disconnected? or did that make sense?
if id ever said that this would be a good idea...depending whether the internet is self aware yet or not...
anyways i suppose it is not that far of a leap... just a reversal of sorts...
i fall asleep beside a lushious irish girl who my love was declared for...when i awake she has vanished along with all my money and possessions travelled with...realistically stranded...the world upon waking changes drastically from the world fell asleep in... are you trying to say all these changes happened in a time frame of effectively 0? i mean this woman may be fast but i cant see her travelling faster than light...and with no trace of observable cosmic irregularities...what can one realistically conclude...that the looting and leaving took place over 6 hours of drug assisted unconsiousness or that reality just snapped and went strange for awhile? i think however that i can say with certianty the state that is consioussness has the quality that i am currently partaking in it. so in fact you are incorrect. in the meanwhile i find that there is a built in clock that tells me a) what time it is and b) whether or not, despite what i remember, i was in any past interval consious. id even venture to say both these things are landmarks on the road to reason in the first place...
going downhill or something? i'd expect a better article from them, if anyone. the 101/303 lost me the article but honestly...of the thousands of relevant matrix/philosophy ideas...why those? either they have been paid off or something...but this is a waste. i think it's interesting how you can find those, like me who thought it was too christian the first time[and only the first time] i saw it...and then there are others who will think it's too atheistic. that i found neet.
no one's ever suggested that to me. the 90s did not do this to me : it was history 30 class, and the teaching of dialectic. actually i do often imagine that it does not get much better than this. having really no freinds[and few foes] i can say, act, think, and look like anything i want[so long as i'm not at work...]... i don't have to be on call 24/7 tending to a child or have to deal with a pregnant girlfreind...i'm no longer starving[in fact, now i'm having to worry about getting fat! imagine!]...i have water, heat, computers, and MONEY in the form of credit and whatever i'm paid... i know every benificial thing i recieve i'm screwing some other poor bastard...but the question is at least there now...that while i can give said benificial thing up...
there is no guarantee that this will accomplish anything more of screwing myself. mabye this doesn't make any sense, perhaps so. if that's the case then just think : thanx for the idea.
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utterly amazes me...ethics be damned, how did you even get to the point where you can imagine having control over billions of automonous agents?
you sir scare me.
what do you mean we don't know anything about souls/consiousness/whatever? i may not know everything about said contents but i am aware and as being aware i do know *some things* about myself/my_thinker/my_soul/whatever. knowing nothing is pointless and unhealthy, although quite pleasant sometimes. i can tell you a few things about my consiousness : such as, it exists during some time intervals, and does not exist in others. it appears to give way to lesser forms of consiousness, but that's just a suspicion. but i do know that it does not always exist. while some could say that the universe dissapears when i pass out, for whatever reason, but the only way i have yet to figure out how that would work would be if the entire potential-effects-have-effects-on-real-effects-ene rgy exists...which it may but errridono. i do think however, we could and will accidentally create fully ai well before we fully understand it or even understand ourselves...
someone thought that using that tactic to help the DeCSS not dissapear from the internet too...i think by doing that you help the enemy more than anything... i mean really...if they can't find the real files what makes you think the casual searcher can? while there's always respect in my heart for [pseudo]bands like metephallica...c'mon people.
in the meanwhile... why not instead just Host More Files...worry about your own life...Get a good knife...and do other productve things...
if there is one strand of which i can agree with the RIAA persuing legal action against someone is if they actually stole the copy---that is they took studio quality audio and ripped it [before it was released on cd]. that's what they are all pissed off about, isn't it? it wasn't the regular cds...i mean really...how much 'david bowie changes two' are they a going to sell? however brand new -pre-release- stuff is definitely leaked by someone...why not go after hte person who actually made the leak? that is hwat i can consider stealing and would understand if it were illegal. by the way however, i plan on ripping ALL of my riaa cds once i get my system able to...but i wouldn't reccomend this to others...[i just hate the riaa...etc]
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i'm not sure if we are in the same Universe of Discouse here, but i would consider murder[the ending of a life] moral. i'm not hard-fast on it, so there is room for doubt, but it follows pretty steady from the rest of my "axioms" i hold dear. if life is a curse on the living by definition, then removing such a curse [the ultimate curse] would not be immoral. so it would work like this : murder is killing, killing ends suffering and potential suffering, therefor murder ends suffering, and potential suffering, anything that ends suffering and potential suffering is a Good Thing, what causes Good things is moral, therefor murder is moral. any questions?
they have no sense whatsoever - but they do have popularity to keep. this balances it to somewhat depend on which party suggests it... that sounds not good, tho:(
if even most p2p users were crackers - the *aa pages would NEVER be up! cmon - 250 000 000 - 500 000 000 dedicated crackers could do a lot. so what : when we start assasinating riaa members - will that mean that all p2p members are murderers too?
hmm... the bit on effort makes sense. ill have to rethink the matter abit... BUT not everyone is included in the set of people who lie. i don't [unless orderred to...]:. you are mistaken. most, but not all people lie...
a) americans and their women are no longer visibly free
b) the americans pull their troops from saudi soil c) anyone keen on israel today? Ydco co a dcee.b m.ooai.v
given : i do think too many people these days are utterly incapable of surviving on their own. I myself have taken prairie-landscape survival training from cadets and elsewhere, and am confident in my skills that even though life would thereafter suck a lot more, i could if i desired to survive.
read this if you have time... while i havn't seen the movie in question["the network"] it outlines a possibility that perhaps even though induvidually we are all worthless, we in doing so are *replacable*. western civilization has thrived because a lesser, and lesser amount of people actually mattered...at first the kings, barons, clergy, knights...then kings, and higher nobles, then kings and kings alone, then finally to democracy, where no one really matters, and all we are is replacable parts, akin to 1 Byte portions of a hard disk. sure we could store data or use them, but often we just let them sit idle and spin around.
in the meanwhlie, this approach has been really successful because as a society we can do many things, at one time, whereas induviduals can do very little, comparitively. i wouldn't pretend to know everything in the university of regina's library : but if you add all the students, profs and past students & profs, you'd probly get a pretty good percentage going.
most importantly, perhaps i'd like to point out something that really stuck out to me. All knowledge, to me relies on communication and interaction. without it our braincells would not pass data in the form of chemical-electric energy...knowing, to me, isn't a static process - it happens because things change. it happens because people are communicating. Last night, me and one of my coworker, lets call her vert, were moving in directions towards eachother, being very close to the same size[her a little smaller]... we both stopped, and our stopping got our minds going and she said something, something stupid and bickering...and i replied[she can be such a troll sometimes], and this turned into a 20-30 second discourse...stopped by which the cook local, 'boss', stepped in an said 'quit flirting you two'. [while i think she's more or less a descent human being, she'sjust...well..not my type] we both, at the same moment, stopped talking, turned around 180 degrees, and started moving away from
eachother in perfect unison, saying nothing until we were out of sight. there was potential energy stored within us, in the form of underlying assumptions, which was reacted on, which produced predictable results. i think what happened, is momentarily, a consiousness of sorts was formed. The machine did understand chinese...i mean, the set of people known as me_and_vert understood that we were flirting. this is much more important than any induviduals "knowing" of anything, or at least different from it. it is through this "knowing" that i believe western civilization thrives on.
i used to think western civilization would fall apart as we know it...but what i did not ask myself was, if i know it, then what *is* exactly western civilization? a collective of capitalist-democracies with fair laws built so that all men are equal in the eyes of the government, and that no one is above the law, and that people have an intrinsic worth, and have rights because of this?
only when i realized that western civilization is a feudal state of people who allow power to be distributed...
do you think the internet, in all its giving-us-the-people-a-voice will cause more freedom, change, or whatnot in the world? for every second we spend online the energy, in the form of cashmoney, is released back into the system, usually by ISPs but also by hardware manufacturers, Credit card companies, and making our workplaces a profit[or making our workplaces work]. you may gain energy by working, but by working you lose more than you gain. in effect the more you do online, the more powerful the regieme becomes. the more you work to pay for your ISP the more stronger the regeime b
we need a government to try to keep us from getting theclubs out whether or not art is involved - why make art a special case? if lying is a problem for you[as it is for me] then why not make anti-lying laws instead of copyright laws? why the abstraction? or is there something other than that needed? the 'being an artist is expensive' is a good point, i don't think it's necessary any more. remember: and all that could have been was alledgedly done on regular, run of the mill Mac's and handheld cameras...not exactly cheap,..but definitely getting there.
and i'm not sure if i agree even if. some of the best music i've ever heard was at live shows with artists i'll never hear again, or on limewire...but this point is really insignificant because you probably are right...the best may be the full timers
the best thing about computers? oh and the demos, ai, number crunching, the Internet, games, additional memory...and abstractions it puts on life aren't important somehow?
you are being unreasonable, sir...sure computers wouldn't be very geat if you have photographic memory, the ability to multiply 3000 digit numbers in base2-1024 in your head by command, and a video camera that just happens to be pointing at something interesting at all time, and the ability to be in 6 or 7 places in the world at one time so that you could get more done... sure if that describes you then mabye computers are worth getting away from. for the rest of us, there's masterca...i mean...computers.
i do think that this is likely going to be a waste of money, but this could easily be the future - you will know that you are in a human-inhabited regioin not by the smell of rotten urine and feces, [like the dark ages] but by the patterns of what would otherwise be passive electro-magnetic radiation being used and awaiting someone to conjour it up so that it could display
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sounds like an extreem sport :)
thats whats allready happenned... and no they havnt noticed
destroy the riaa
and im talking about an even lower attribute...where one can be able to tell whether one was or was not consiouss at a given point in the past...so you don't beleive in this attribute of the mindP? i too count dreamstates as consioussness...but there are times of dreamless, unconsious states where the only way for me to have been aware during these times is as you say if i was aware but cannot remember...im uncertian how to succeed here... how about this... do you agree that nerves can be appended to the body...whether meat like leg nerves attatched to a wounded arm or mechanichal like the laptop-optic stuff they are doing? would you then say that there was feeling in these nerves before after but not during any time when they may be disconnected? or did that make sense?
if id ever said that this would be a good idea...depending whether the internet is self aware yet or not... anyways i suppose it is not that far of a leap... just a reversal of sorts...
i fall asleep beside a lushious irish girl who my love was declared for...when i awake she has vanished along with all my money and possessions travelled with...realistically stranded...the world upon waking changes drastically from the world fell asleep in... are you trying to say all these changes happened in a time frame of effectively 0? i mean this woman may be fast but i cant see her travelling faster than light...and with no trace of observable cosmic irregularities...what can one realistically conclude...that the looting and leaving took place over 6 hours of drug assisted unconsiousness or that reality just snapped and went strange for awhile?
i think however that i can say with certianty the state that is consioussness has the quality that i am currently partaking in it. so in fact you are incorrect.
in the meanwhile i find that there is a built in clock that tells me a) what time it is and b) whether or not, despite what i remember, i was in any past interval consious. id even venture to say both these things are landmarks on the road to reason in the first place...
going downhill or something? i'd expect a better article from them, if anyone. the 101/303 lost me the article but honestly...of the thousands of relevant matrix/philosophy ideas...why those? either they have been paid off or something...but this is a waste. i think it's interesting how you can find those, like me who thought it was too christian the first time[and only the first time] i saw it...and then there are others who will think it's too atheistic. that i found neet.
no one's ever suggested that to me. the 90s did not do this to me : it was history 30 class, and the teaching of dialectic. actually i do often imagine that it does not get much better than this. having really no freinds[and few foes] i can say, act, think, and look like anything i want[so long as i'm not at work...] ... i don't have to be on call 24/7 tending to a child or have to deal with a pregnant girlfreind...i'm no longer starving[in fact, now i'm having to worry about getting fat! imagine!]...i have water, heat, computers, and MONEY in the form of credit and whatever i'm paid... i know every benificial thing i recieve i'm screwing some other poor bastard...but the question is at least there now...that while i can give said benificial thing up...
there is no guarantee that this will accomplish anything more of screwing myself. mabye this doesn't make any sense, perhaps so. if that's the case then just think : thanx for the idea.
utterly amazes me...ethics be damned, how did you even get to the point where you can imagine having control over billions of automonous agents? you sir scare me.
what do you mean we don't know anything about souls/consiousness/whatever? i may not know everything about said contents but i am aware and as being aware i do know *some things* about myself/my_thinker/my_soul/whatever. knowing nothing is pointless and unhealthy, although quite pleasant sometimes. i can tell you a few things about my consiousness : such as, it exists during some time intervals, and does not exist in others. it appears to give way to lesser forms of consiousness, but that's just a suspicion. but i do know that it does not always exist. while some could say that the universe dissapears when i pass out, for whatever reason, but the only way i have yet to figure out how that would work would be if the entire potential-effects-have-effects-on-real-effects-ene rgy exists...which it may but errridono. i do think however, we could and will accidentally create fully ai well before we fully understand it or even understand ourselves...
someone thought that using that tactic to help the DeCSS not dissapear from the internet too...i think by doing that you help the enemy more than anything... i mean really...if they can't find the real files what makes you think the casual searcher can? while there's always respect in my heart for [pseudo]bands like metephallica...c'mon people.
in the meanwhile... why not instead just Host More Files...worry about your own life...Get a good knife...and do other productve things...
...you are at the end of the road i've merely started. this next 3 years are going to suck.
if there is one strand of which i can agree with the RIAA persuing legal action against someone is if they actually stole the copy---that is they took studio quality audio and ripped it [before it was released on cd]. that's what they are all pissed off about, isn't it? it wasn't the regular cds...i mean really...how much 'david bowie changes two' are they a going to sell? however brand new -pre-release- stuff is definitely leaked by someone...why not go after hte person who actually made the leak? that is hwat i can consider stealing and would understand if it were illegal. by the way however, i plan on ripping ALL of my riaa cds once i get my system able to...but i wouldn't reccomend this to others...[i just hate the riaa...etc]
i'm not sure if we are in the same Universe of Discouse here, but i would consider murder[the ending of a life] moral. i'm not hard-fast on it, so there is room for doubt, but it follows pretty steady from the rest of my "axioms" i hold dear. if life is a curse on the living by definition, then removing such a curse [the ultimate curse] would not be immoral. so it would work like this : murder is killing, killing ends suffering and potential suffering, therefor murder ends suffering, and potential suffering, anything that ends suffering and potential suffering is a Good Thing, what causes Good things is moral, therefor murder is moral. any questions?
they have no sense whatsoever - but they do have popularity to keep. this balances it to somewhat depend on which party suggests it... that sounds not good, tho :(
...but if my isp does not feature v6 then do i have to wait until they do? thnx
if even most p2p users were crackers - the *aa pages would NEVER be up! cmon - 250 000 000 - 500 000 000 dedicated crackers could do a lot. so what : when we start assasinating riaa members - will that mean that all p2p members are murderers too?
the moral thing would be to slip into the theater: all actions that hurt the mpaa are moral.
hmm... the bit on effort makes sense. ill have to rethink the matter abit... BUT not everyone is included in the set of people who lie. i don't [unless orderred to...] :. you are mistaken. most, but not all people lie...
move to canada! - email@themusicgod1?hotmail.com
a) americans and their women are no longer visibly free
b) the americans pull their troops from saudi soil
c) anyone keen on israel today?
Ydco co a dcee.b m.ooai.v
errr sorry... dvorak keyboard. i wont ; they will replace him with even worse hellspawn when the demos is ready.
thanks for reminding me...i had almost forgotten :) *starts looking for dvorak linux patches*
given : i do think too many people these days are utterly incapable of surviving on their own. I myself have taken prairie-landscape survival training from cadets and elsewhere, and am confident in my skills that even though life would thereafter suck a lot more, i could if i desired to survive.
read this if you have time... while i havn't seen the movie in question["the network"] it outlines a possibility that perhaps even though induvidually we are all worthless, we in doing so are *replacable*. western civilization has thrived because a lesser, and lesser amount of people actually mattered...at first the kings, barons, clergy, knights...then kings, and higher nobles, then kings and kings alone, then finally to democracy, where no one really matters, and all we are is replacable parts, akin to 1 Byte portions of a hard disk. sure we could store data or use them, but often we just let them sit idle and spin around.
in the meanwhlie, this approach has been really successful because as a society we can do many things, at one time, whereas induviduals can do very little, comparitively. i wouldn't pretend to know everything in the university of regina's library : but if you add all the students, profs and past students & profs, you'd probly get a pretty good percentage going.
most importantly, perhaps i'd like to point out something that really stuck out to me. All knowledge, to me relies on communication and interaction. without it our braincells would not pass data in the form of chemical-electric energy...knowing, to me, isn't a static process - it happens because things change. it happens because people are communicating. Last night, me and one of my coworker, lets call her vert, were moving in directions towards eachother, being very close to the same size[her a little smaller]... we both stopped, and our stopping got our minds going and she said something, something stupid and bickering...and i replied[she can be such a troll sometimes], and this turned into a 20-30 second discourse...stopped by which the cook local, 'boss', stepped in an said 'quit flirting you two'. [while i think she's more or less a descent human being, she'sjust...well..not my type] we both, at the same moment, stopped talking, turned around 180 degrees, and started moving away from eachother in perfect unison, saying nothing until we were out of sight. there was potential energy stored within us, in the form of underlying assumptions, which was reacted on, which produced predictable results. i think what happened, is momentarily, a consiousness of sorts was formed. The machine did understand chinese...i mean, the set of people known as me_and_vert understood that we were flirting. this is much more important than any induviduals "knowing" of anything, or at least different from it. it is through this "knowing" that i believe western civilization thrives on.
i used to think western civilization would fall apart as we know it...but what i did not ask myself was, if i know it, then what *is* exactly western civilization? a collective of capitalist-democracies with fair laws built so that all men are equal in the eyes of the government, and that no one is above the law, and that people have an intrinsic worth, and have rights because of this?
only when i realized that western civilization is a feudal state of people who allow power to be distributed... do you think the internet, in all its giving-us-the-people-a-voice will cause more freedom, change, or whatnot in the world? for every second we spend online the energy, in the form of cashmoney, is released back into the system, usually by ISPs but also by hardware manufacturers, Credit card companies, and making our workplaces a profit[or making our workplaces work]. you may gain energy by working, but by working you lose more than you gain. in effect the more you do online, the more powerful the regieme becomes. the more you work to pay for your ISP the more stronger the regeime b
we need a government to try to keep us from getting theclubs out whether or not art is involved - why make art a special case? if lying is a problem for you[as it is for me] then why not make anti-lying laws instead of copyright laws? why the abstraction? or is there something other than that needed?
the 'being an artist is expensive' is a good point, i don't think it's necessary any more. remember: and all that could have been was alledgedly done on regular, run of the mill Mac's and handheld cameras...not exactly cheap,..but definitely getting there.
and i'm not sure if i agree even if. some of the best music i've ever heard was at live shows with artists i'll never hear again, or on limewire...but this point is really insignificant because you probably are right...the best may be the full timers
the best thing about computers? oh and the demos, ai, number crunching, the Internet, games, additional memory...and abstractions it puts on life aren't important somehow?
you are being unreasonable, sir...sure computers wouldn't be very geat if you have photographic memory, the ability to multiply 3000 digit numbers in base2-1024 in your head by command, and a video camera that just happens to be pointing at something interesting at all time, and the ability to be in 6 or 7 places in the world at one time so that you could get more done... sure if that describes you then mabye computers are worth getting away from. for the rest of us, there's masterca...i mean...computers.
i do think that this is likely going to be a waste of money, but this could easily be the future - you will know that you are in a human-inhabited regioin not by the smell of rotten urine and feces, [like the dark ages] but by the patterns of what would otherwise be passive electro-magnetic radiation being used and awaiting someone to conjour it up so that it could display
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