Slackware.com has a mirror of slackware-current's changelog. Unfortunatley, the guys at slackware.com are out to lunch (literally), and for some reason took down the site because of it.
I've had a boot time ranked in the hours (I sent a story to the guy using the form since I don't think this counts).
I was playing with NT4WS back when SP3 was new, on a 486SX/25 with 36MB of RAM (a 32mb SIMM and 4MB on the motherboard), and a Quantum Bigfoot hard drive, basically as a toy and something my mom could use to serve eBay photos from (it did an OK job, using PWS). One day I decided to do something or other and had to remove the 32MB SIMM to do it. I do it, and forget to put the SIMM back in. Suprizingly, NT eventually got to the login screen and let me log in, but even moving the mouse would cause it to swap... Yes, NT does boot in 4MB of RAM.
It took at least 3 hours to get the box back down without hitting The Big Red Switch(TM)... But since I didn't run NT 4 Server, I don't think it counts, but I could reproduce the situation easily (got enough 4MB 486en laying around). Hit the Turbo switch on that particular computer, and I could probably quadruple that time, since the turbo switch makes that box a 486SX/8 (no typo. 8MHz).
I wonder if NT would even try booting on the 386 I destroyed last week...
Since you're looking for this to be a desktop OS, I'd put my vote on FreeBSD. It's ports system is very cool, it's rather easy to configure, and it's probably just as secure as OpenBSD once you turn everything off (have you ever seen a Linux box running no services and no extra kernel features get cracked? Same goes for any decent OS that doesn't put a HTTP server into it's kernel)
I've used FreeBSD (not too much though), and unfortunatley I couldn't get a DHCP client to work, and if it weren't for that I may be running it right now instead of Linux.
Slot 1 is Intel's P2 (and 3?) slot. Slot 2 is Intel's Xeon (and P3?) slot. Socket 370 is Intel's Celeron socket (lower cost) Socket 8 is Intel's Pentium Pro socket. Socket 7/Super7 is for Pentium, Pentium MMX, AMDs, Cyrixes, Rises, and WinChips. Slot A is AMD's Athlon slot.
As for your question, I have no idea. Probably not though.
You need a new case anyway - it's not possible to mount an ATX MB in an AT case, due to the onboard (not card-type, but rather soldered onto the mb) serial, parallel, keyboard, mouse, etc.. connectors.
It's got to be the easiest install I've ever seen, and I've installed ALL of the major distributions (Slackware, Debian, Caldera, RedHat, TurboLinux, Mandrake, and whatever else came in the LinuxMall MegaPack 2 weeks ago).
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Strange, I find Q3Test to be fairly playable on my box, and I'm in worse shape than you...
I'm only on a K6-2 300 with 64MB of RAM and a Monster 3D II 8MB card. But I don't sit there and watch my frame rate, and I actually found software Quake playable on a Cyrix 233. I guess I'm weird.
Of course it's on the front page of the newspaper of the region rated number 1.
Think about that a moment, it IS general interest to the area in which the newspaper covers. It's not suprising, just like Comdex being in town being on the front page of the Las Vegas Review Journal isn't suprising, but rather general interest.
I saw these a few Comdexes ago I believe... I think there was some type of "If you break one, you get one" challenge then. I don' think anyone won, but the contest may have been cut short (Softbank probably didn't take too kindly to people tossing notebook computers across the grounds of the show... Heh).
And, this would have been at least 2 Comdexes ago. Very old news, and it's been on slashdot before. Doesn't matter though.
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A dozen is 12, a baker's dozen is 13. Closest "geek-type" number is either 8 or 16. I prefer 16, but 64 would be nice too...
Because the Geometry Processor Unit (what GPU stands for) will be optomized for processing geometry, which currently is a task of the CPU. With the GPU, all the processor will be responsible for will be feeding geometry data to the GPU (well, it's the only graphics function it'll be responsible for).
In the end, the GPU should be faster at geometry than the CPU, which is the goal.
TurboLinux is HUGE in Asia - It's currently outselling Windows there.
It has a great install process as well, I think better than RedHat 6.0 (I can't comment on 6.1). Automatic NIC config, Video card detection and config, etc.. during the install process.
If you are looking for performance, do NOT go with KDE or GNOME. The desktop environments are huge compared to what you need to run Netscape and kedit. I suggest FVWM95 if it has to look and act like Windows. If it has to look good, go for AfterStep or WindowMaker or something... That is, if you need a Window Manager at all. -grin-
Ah.. Thanks for the correction, I was under the impression the K6 core had OpenPIC support as well. Oh well, can't be right all the time (or very often for that matter)...:)
Hopefully, dual (and quad) Slot A boards will come down in price quickly. Hardcore gamers going for the best Quake 3 experience may just save AMD by purchasing more processors for use inm SMP...
Blah.. If the above makes little sense, it's because Mozilla M10 doesn't word wrap paragraphs after the second line, and I dont want t fddle with it at the moment. Has anyone reported this bug in this manner?
What I think will happen in the near future is somehow making multiple cores on one processor work seamlessly, so you effectively have a 1400MHz Athlon by putting 2 700MHz cores on one chip. I have no idea how to solve the problems with bus bandwidth and dividing instructions between processors, but doesn't the G3 do this already to some extent?
This wouldn't be SMP, even the motherboard wouldn't really know there were multiple cores on one processor.
Someone with some experience in this field want to tell me why this hasn't already happened?
The AMD K6, K6-2 and K6-3 (as well as Cyrix 6x86 and M2s) all have SMP support via the OpenPIC standard. The problem is, no motherboards support this standard, therefore you can't use these processors in an SMP configuration.
Exactly. I'm running Linux on this here 486, IPMasqing for 3 other computers to my cable modem and serving POP3, Sendmail and Apache. Normal load average? 0.06 or so.
Bah.. Best? Of the ports I've tried, half of them didn't even compile (Various packages related to KDE).
But then again, here are the problems with the various distributions of Linux I've run into as well:
RedHat 6.0 - The included Gnome config just simply does not work correctly. I shouldn't have to right-click, minimize, then left click to get a window back in the foreground.
Debian 2.1 - dselect is absolutly horrible, I'd rather not have a package selection interface than use it. It's included DHCP client doesn't work for me other than the first try, and the Netscape packages won't install regardless of what I do.
TurboLinux 3.6 - No problems at all, other than it's based on glibc 2.0.7 instead of 2.1
Caldera 2.3 - Again, no problems.
FreeBSD 3.2 - Included package for DHCP client refuses to work even when I compile bpf support into the kernel and make the device files. Great.
Linux Pro 5.4 - Why the hell does LinuxMall even bother sending this piece of trash?
Linux Mandrake 6.0 - My particular CD won't boot. Bah.
To FreeBSD's credit, it's the only free UNIX like that even boots off my HD now. Lilo just sits there and looks dumb. Joy.
Out of this stack of Linux distributions (RH, Caldera, Mandrake, Slack, TurboLinux, LinuxPro, SuSE 6.2,) and a FreeBSD CD, I've found 3 reasonably usable distributions to me that work within a few hours after install - Slack 4.0, Caldera, and TurboLinux.
Yay.
Of course, all the zealots out there will flame me for stating my experiences and opinions. I don't care.
By the way, all the distributions I tried were installed from CDs I bought from LinuxMall.
Slashdot Mirror
Slackware.com has a mirror of slackware-current's changelog. Unfortunatley, the guys at slackware.com are out to lunch (literally), and for some reason took down the site because of it.
Blah. Oh, and the changelog is currently blank...
I've had a boot time ranked in the hours (I sent a story to the guy using the form since I don't think this counts).
I was playing with NT4WS back when SP3 was new, on a 486SX/25 with 36MB of RAM (a 32mb SIMM and 4MB on the motherboard), and a Quantum Bigfoot hard drive, basically as a toy and something my mom could use to serve eBay photos from (it did an OK job, using PWS). One day I decided to do something or other and had to remove the 32MB SIMM to do it. I do it, and forget to put the SIMM back in. Suprizingly, NT eventually got to the login screen and let me log in, but even moving the mouse would cause it to swap... Yes, NT does boot in 4MB of RAM.
It took at least 3 hours to get the box back down without hitting The Big Red Switch(TM)... But since I didn't run NT 4 Server, I don't think it counts, but I could reproduce the situation easily (got enough 4MB 486en laying around). Hit the Turbo switch on that particular computer, and I could probably quadruple that time, since the turbo switch makes that box a 486SX/8 (no typo. 8MHz).
I wonder if NT would even try booting on the 386 I destroyed last week...
Since you're looking for this to be a desktop OS, I'd put my vote on FreeBSD. It's ports system is very cool, it's rather easy to configure, and it's probably just as secure as OpenBSD once you turn everything off (have you ever seen a Linux box running no services and no extra kernel features get cracked? Same goes for any decent OS that doesn't put a HTTP server into it's kernel)
I've used FreeBSD (not too much though), and unfortunatley I couldn't get a DHCP client to work, and if it weren't for that I may be running it right now instead of Linux.
Slot 1 is Intel's P2 (and 3?) slot.
Slot 2 is Intel's Xeon (and P3?) slot.
Socket 370 is Intel's Celeron socket (lower cost)
Socket 8 is Intel's Pentium Pro socket.
Socket 7/Super7 is for Pentium, Pentium MMX, AMDs, Cyrixes, Rises, and WinChips.
Slot A is AMD's Athlon slot.
As for your question, I have no idea. Probably not though.
Has anyone from the OpenBSD crowd submitted a story about it? Rob and gang can't post news they don't know about.
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You need a new case anyway - it's not possible to mount an ATX MB in an AT case, due to the onboard (not card-type, but rather soldered onto the mb) serial, parallel, keyboard, mouse, etc.. connectors.
You haven't tried Caldera 2.3, have you?
It's got to be the easiest install I've ever seen, and I've installed ALL of the major distributions (Slackware, Debian, Caldera, RedHat, TurboLinux, Mandrake, and whatever else came in the LinuxMall MegaPack 2 weeks ago).
Strange, I find Q3Test to be fairly playable on my box, and I'm in worse shape than you...
I'm only on a K6-2 300 with 64MB of RAM and a Monster 3D II 8MB card. But I don't sit there and watch my frame rate, and I actually found software Quake playable on a Cyrix 233. I guess I'm weird.
Of course it's on the front page of the newspaper of the region rated number 1.
Think about that a moment, it IS general interest to the area in which the newspaper covers. It's not suprising, just like Comdex being in town being on the front page of the Las Vegas Review Journal isn't suprising, but rather general interest.
If someone sends Patrick Volkerding, the -only- Slackware developer, a non-x86 box, I'm sure he'd make a non-x86 version of Slackware.
That's right. There's only one "core" Slack guy.
Slackware 3.9 includes 2.0.36 as it's default kernel. It's not a beta or prerelease, but 4.0 with a 2.0 kernel and probably 2.0-specific tools.
I saw these a few Comdexes ago I believe... I think there was some type of "If you break one, you get one" challenge then. I don' think anyone won, but the contest may have been cut short (Softbank probably didn't take too kindly to people tossing notebook computers across the grounds of the show... Heh).
And, this would have been at least 2 Comdexes ago. Very old news, and it's been on slashdot before. Doesn't matter though.
A dozen is 12, a baker's dozen is 13. Closest "geek-type" number is either 8 or 16. I prefer 16, but 64 would be nice too...
Uhg.. Well that attempted work around to the Mozilla M10 word wrap problem didn't work. Sorry about the formatting.
Because the Geometry Processor Unit (what GPU stands for) will be optomized for processing geometry, which
currently is a task of the CPU. With the GPU, all the
processor will be responsible for will be feeding geometry data to the GPU (well, it's the only graphics
function it'll be responsible for).
In the end, the GPU should be faster at geometry than the CPU, which is the goal.
TurboLinux is HUGE in Asia - It's currently outselling Windows there.
It has a great install process as well, I think better than RedHat 6.0 (I can't comment on 6.1). Automatic NIC config, Video card detection and config, etc.. during the install process.
If you are looking for performance, do NOT go with KDE or GNOME. The desktop environments are huge compared to what you need to run Netscape and kedit. I suggest FVWM95 if it has to look and act like Windows. If it has to look good, go for AfterStep or WindowMaker or something... That is, if you need a Window Manager at all. -grin-
Ah.. Thanks for the correction, I was under the impression the K6 core had OpenPIC support as well. Oh well, can't be right all the time (or very often for that matter)... :)
Hopefully, dual (and quad) Slot A boards will come down in price quickly. Hardcore gamers going for the best Quake 3 experience may just save AMD by purchasing more processors for use inm SMP...
Blah.. If the above makes little sense, it's because Mozilla M10 doesn't word wrap paragraphs after the second line, and I dont want t fddle with it at the moment. Has anyone reported this bug in this manner?
You've heard wrong. The K7 is capable of SMP, the K7 Ultra will use a different type of bus.
What I think will happen in the near future is somehow making multiple cores on one processor work seamlessly, so you effectively have a 1400MHz Athlon by putting 2 700MHz cores on one chip. I have no idea how to solve the problems with bus bandwidth and dividing instructions between processors, but doesn't the G3 do this already to some extent?
This wouldn't be SMP, even the motherboard wouldn't really know there were multiple cores on one processor.
Someone with some experience in this field want to tell me why this hasn't already happened?
The AMD K6, K6-2 and K6-3 (as well as Cyrix 6x86 and M2s) all have SMP support via the OpenPIC standard. The problem is, no motherboards support this standard, therefore you can't use these processors in an SMP configuration.
Exactly. I'm running Linux on this here 486, IPMasqing for 3 other computers to my cable modem and serving POP3, Sendmail and Apache. Normal load average? 0.06 or so.
Bah.. Best? Of the ports I've tried, half of them didn't even compile (Various packages related to KDE).
But then again, here are the problems with the various distributions of Linux I've run into as well:
RedHat 6.0 - The included Gnome config just simply does not work correctly. I shouldn't have to right-click, minimize, then left click to get a window back in the foreground.
Debian 2.1 - dselect is absolutly horrible, I'd rather not have a package selection interface than use it. It's included DHCP client doesn't work for me other than the first try, and the Netscape packages won't install regardless of what I do.
TurboLinux 3.6 - No problems at all, other than it's based on glibc 2.0.7 instead of 2.1
Caldera 2.3 - Again, no problems.
FreeBSD 3.2 - Included package for DHCP client refuses to work even when I compile bpf support into the kernel and make the device files. Great.
Linux Pro 5.4 - Why the hell does LinuxMall even bother sending this piece of trash?
Linux Mandrake 6.0 - My particular CD won't boot. Bah.
To FreeBSD's credit, it's the only free UNIX like that even boots off my HD now. Lilo just sits there and looks dumb. Joy.
Out of this stack of Linux distributions (RH, Caldera, Mandrake, Slack, TurboLinux, LinuxPro, SuSE 6.2,) and a FreeBSD CD, I've found 3 reasonably usable distributions to me that work within a few hours after install - Slack 4.0, Caldera, and TurboLinux.
Yay.
Of course, all the zealots out there will flame me for stating my experiences and opinions. I don't care.
By the way, all the distributions I tried were installed from CDs I bought from LinuxMall.
Slackware has supported UMSDOS installs since at least 3.5, probably before.
Mandrake has always, as far as I know, supported an install to a loopback file, which is actually a bit better than UMSDOS for rather obvious reasons.
There are TONS of other distributions like this, what makes this one so special?