Ok, really I know that a fully compatible format would be wonderful, but in the meantime there is a pretty good alternative as long as you are NOT trying to use pictures inline with text... It's a little known format (*chuckle, heehee) known as.RTF or a rich text file..
Sure it's not perfect for everything, but in my experience it's worked really well for almost everything I've ever needed to transport between Open Office, K Office, Star Office and MS Office.
Ok, fair enough to say that for other documents you're pretty much out of luck. But hopefully everyone will be brave and accept this with *open arms so that everything will be compatible with a true STANDARD...
Ok, a definition for you: OS: Operating System DOSDisk Operating System
Now, to tear you apart like a hungry lion on a small lamb...
DOS wasn't that bad of an OS. That's no bullshit.
Well, DOS was hardly an OS in the first place.
See above definition
Most of the stuff that is part of OSes simply do not exist in DOS: sound drivers, GUI, system services, etc.
I hate to destroy your perception of things, but... System Services = Bloat Sound Drivers = Multimedia Support (Which was actually available in MS-DOS) GUI=Graphical User Interface... (known as a UI not an OS, the UI is a *part of an OS, but it has nothing to do with it either being or not being an OS)
Is there really anything DOS could do, except launch programs?
Actually yes, many things... I know of companies that still use DOS for many things to this day for accounting, customer tracking, or other important tasks.
Now, other than that... I will admit that programming programs to use only 64k of memory was indeed a challenge, but hey it's the challenge that what makes things worth doing.
A quote from the article dealing with why a digital camera needs windows 98 "(Why Windows 98? Windows 95 doesn't support the USB connections used by nearly all new peripherals.)"
Ok, now... I have to ask, is it that I'm just really that up on my Windows history and all version differences, or is it that the writer of that article is as clueless as I think they must have been to say that...
Why would I say that? Simple, because there was a late release version of Windows 95 known as Revision D and it just so happens that it did support USB (not incredibly well, but it did support it) and that makes the above quote a complete lie. I would assume anyone who decides to consider themselves an expert would have a knowledge base deserving of that title.... Or at least they shouldn't act like they really know something is a fact when they really aren't so sure about it.
Well, at least now I can have that internet capable coffee pot that I've been hearing about for years...... Imagine, you get up in the morning and right before you leave the house and head to the office, you walk to the computer and tell it to start making coffee at the office... By the time you arrive at the office there's a nice pot of coffee already waiting for you (provided you prepared the coffee maker the night before...)
do you really think the _average_ user know what FTP is? I doubt it... I especially doubt that they would know to look in the right directory.....
I on the other hand do indeed know how to use FTP and would have done just that, except for that tiny little problem with not having any sort of connectivity.....
The other evening (without an internet connection) I was trying to install the.Net framework (dotnetfx.exe) on my laptop and since I had installed windows 98 the version of Internet Explorer was 5.00.x but due to the dependencies of the.Net framework I needed to have 5.01 or later.
As an aside, when you don't have 5.01 or later it just kills the browser that you do have installed, so it kinda causes a really fun catch-22, no browser to surf the web to find a new browser..... Really sucked.
Anyway, back with my story.... I was on a frantic search for a copy of IE 5.01 or later when I remembered that I had a stockpile of those AOL Cd's in the garage... I grabbed myself one of them (yellow, no idea what version) and proceeded to find the IE directory on the disc.. Sure enough it was version 5.01.x so I installed it and everything went smoothly from there.
So, the moral of the story? Sometimes AOL disks do have a use other than coasters or frisbees....
Really, when I'm on a *nix box I prefer to use Pine over ANY other option.... I actually enjoy the somewhat antiquated interface (reminds me of the good ol' days when that was the only option) and I love the fact that it is super fast.
I can't really understand the reason to add threading support... It's kinda like putting a bigger engine in a Corvette without putting more rubber on the ground.. It's a waste really, the program is so fast already with such low overhead that I have never had any problems with speed... Maybe I'm just missing something and there really is a great reason for this... I just don't see it.
Oh well though, great to see that it is still being maintained by someone, and that there are others out there that care about the wonderful program known to all as PINE.
Not a problem dear Mouser. The post from Ron was about fifteen posts down (I'm guessing). I do wonder how many calls he expected, and in respect to that how many he received. In closing, thank you for the polite retraction of your previous comments, I look foward to having further discourse with you in the future.
You have a fine point, however I would like to point out two things that negate almost all of your comment:
1: This is not Mom & Pop shop or any sort of a small company, it's the Wall Street Journal and as such they make and spend more money in one day than you will in your entire life (most likely, that is assuming you're not extrememly successful) So the cost of a few hundred 1-800 calls are virtually nothing to them. In addition to this, I'm sure if they were billing him for the calls it would put a fair dent in his pocket, however I would assume (due to the tangle of routing that I had to go through to get to him on the 800 number) that they are most likely not able to trace the call as being from their 800 number and bill him... At least I hope so, because he is a really nice fellow and I would hate to cost him any sum of money...
2: The 1-800 number I posted is listed on the Wall Street Journal homepage, so I would care to differ with you on the point of it not being heavily advertised already... It is highly accessible and heavily advertised.
Although I know you didn't have a clue about where I found that 800 number.....
On another point, your observation of slashdotting someone into bankruptcy, that actually made me laugh out loud... However I would like make sure that everyone knows bandwidth is not free either, and everytime the slashdot effect occurs it does cost someone, somewhere, something...
At 5:08PM on 11/20/02 The Grey Mouser wrote: Posting someone's phone number on a public site like Slashdot is *seriously* uncool. I understand your motivations, but soliciting phone calls on a site which regularly gets *tens* of *thousands* of eyeballs, even for "a quick call", an hour before deadline is possibly one of the most asinine things I have yet seen in a Slashdot posting; and, as you may infer from my Slash ID, I've seen a fair bit.
With friends like these, the DMCA needs no bloody help to stick its tendrils into every corner of American business.
Post your own damned phone number next time, fool.
Mouser
Dear freind Mouser,
While I do respect your views and agree somewhat with what you have said, I must condemn you for calling me a fool without proper justification. I would like to direct your attention to the link in the article above. It will lead you directly to fatwallet.com where the post below appears:
Date Posted: Nov/20/2002 10:43 AM
Posted by: Trekker
If anybody want to voice thier opinion I got this e-mail from the black friday Yahoo BF group:
"Hi, Ron Lieber from the Wall St Journal here
I'm working on a story about the use of the DMCA to crack down on consumers swapping Black Friday sales data on web sites. If anyone would like to air their feelings on the subject, please call me at 212-416-4974 or send me an email with your phone number and I'll call you.
Thanks, Ron"
ITS TIME TO REWRITE THE DMCA!!!!!
Now, I would like you to know that if this information wasn't already in the parent I wouldn't have ever dreamed of posting this fellow's number on slashdot. However, as he was requesting that people get ahold of him to express their views on the subject I was only helping him get as many responses as possible(thereby representing as many view points as possible) and as it was already available to anyone who clicked on that link I figured I would let fellow slashdotters know that the 1-800 number was also available and that it would indeed get you to Ron.
Now, I hope that you also knew that at the time you made your post his deadline had already passed by a few hours. I hope you do take my advice and give him a call.
Other than that, someone above suggested a reverse slashdot interview, why doesn't someone call Ron and ask him if that would be of interest to him? I'm fairly sure that Malda would go for it and that would be a fine way to choose our representation effectivly.
Wow! First real world slashdotting..... I think the grandparent may have just started the first slashdotting to ever happen to someone over the phone! Bigtime kudos goes out to Ron for his efforts and I hope he does a great job on his story.
Heh, not sure if I should be proud of that or ashamed of not being a bit more careful about weilding the power of slashdot.
I did just have a thought though, maybe he will write a follow up article and could use more ideas/comments (I'm sure if enough of us call he will do a follow up) about the DMCA. So everyone, let's let him have the time necessary to complete his article, and then call him, I'm gonna call in about an hour and a half, I hope the rest of you will follow suit. A half a million phone calls to one poor journalist should get somebody's attention at least.
Actually I think that is a great idea and this is why I'm replying to the Coward... A follow up article is probably going to be needed to really explore what this means to all of us and I think we should let Ron know how important this matter is to us by calling him (wait for a while) and telling him a little more about our views on this matter in detail, more so than is currently possible (I understand deadlines, sorry if I've caused you any serious/. related headaches today Ron...)
I've already told Ron everything that I had to say that was of value, however I'm sure that there are plenty of you out there with a unique viewpoint and I hope that you will call Ron in an hour or two and let him know what you have to say about this.
Once again if you read this Ron, I'm sorry but I had to do this... I hope you will see just how important this is to us, and exactly how many of us this is important to.
Just a quick heads up for everyone, Ron Lieber with the Wall Street Journal is writing an article on this story, I just got off the phone with him and he seems very likely to do a good job of writing the story.
Hopefully more journalists will follow suit and make the public-at-large more aware of what I think is a fine example of bad legislation at it's best.
If anyone wants to give Ron a quick call to comment on this and maybe help a bit with his article, his number is 212-416-4974 although I was able to reach him by playing phone maze with 1-800-369-2834. Just be prepaired for the worst voice recognition program ever.... He's gonna be done with it in about an hour so if you have something to say you better hurry.
And, on a slightly different note: Checking your html tags carefully before pressing the submit button is every bit as important as thinking before you speak... DOH!:)
From the article: "We're moving to an optical-centric world in which the computers are the slow things and you reluctantly add them in," Dr. Smarr said.
Umm yeah... If you didn't add in the computers what good would the optical network be?
I think this is a great example of what the old saying "think before you speak" is meant to help one avoid.
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Yeah, this is indeed going to be a once in a lifetime event (or at least first in a lifetime event) for me, after reading about the electrophonic meteor sounds I decided that I'm going to strech a bit of tinfoil over a frame in the hopes that it will enable me to actually hear them well. Anyone else care to verify that this works before I try it?:)
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Is there an insurance I can buy--or sue God for droppin' stones in my backyard !! I have when he/she/it does that !
Funny comment, although completely idiotic. The fireballs are commonly produced from peices not much larger than a grain of sand. Not exactly gonna do much to your car or backyard even if they did make it through the atmosphere.
Dust doesn't hurt chips, but it does insulate them which can lead to excessive heat which does damage chips. Filters on cooling fans is a bad idea, simply because having a filter will increase resistance and reduce airflow which kills the desired cooling effect.
Instead of using a filter simply buy either:
1: A can of compressed air every now and then (expensive, but easy and reliable)
or
2: A small air compressor (however this can get much more expensive in the short term especially considering you need not only a compressor, but also, hose, fittings, an air chuck and most importantly a dryer (aka de-humidifer), so unless you have alot of stuff that needs cleaning and you live in a place that makes it needed fairly often you should probably stick with #1)
I must say though, what a cooling system! I don't know about everybody else, but I used to have a nice voodoo 3500 that would get so hot that you could burn yourself on it, I was always worried about that thing.... I finally rigged up a cooling system for it (yeah I know, buy one.... but it's more fun to make it out of old parts:) ) It's nice to see that nvidia is thinking of these things.
Ok, not to mention the fact that I'm sure they will use some sort of proprietary packet formatting (this is Microsoft we're talking about people) that only the display (or a really clever OSS developer) will be able to decypher. That alone is secure.
Of course I lack coherency! I'm arguing fifteen points in as many threads... lol..
Ok, first off you didn't resort to any crap in that post, so thank you for that... you are starting to become open to discussion. I like that, now we can actually discuss. I do see how you took what I had said to mean that Windows was behind overall, this is not the case, however I did indeed mean that there are things about windows that linux is ahead by a long shot on, not the least of which is EXT2FS and the stability of the operating system. However overall I do consider Windows to be a better operating system for me to base my work on, if only because of the idiot factor, there's a lot more to it than that,,, but I don't feel like going through it.
Do you really beleve that Microsoft has never innovated? If you do beleve that then let me give you one good example, Microsoft Office... Sure, there were and still are many other Word Processors, Spreadsheets, Databases, Presentation Software etc. But until recently (KOffice, Open Office, Star Office are actually taking key from Microsoft Office) there was nothing out there that even came close to the level of interoperability that Office provides. Now, if you don't call that innovation what is? I mean in today's software world it's pretty hard to be creative to the point of really breaking new ground and doing something REALLY,REALLY different, so even small improvements are important and I do think that Microsoft has made a fair share of them (not to say that the OSS community hasn't or that the Mac PPL haven't). And really... I don't think it's possible to create any software today that someone, somewhere hasn't at least created something similar....
And, if you feel like it respond to my accusations about your other comments.. I really would like to know where some of that crap came from... Don't worry though, I forgive anything that you may regret saying, and hope that you may do the same for me.
Slashdot Mirror
Ok, really I know that a fully compatible format would be wonderful, but in the meantime there is a pretty good alternative as long as you are NOT trying to use pictures inline with text... It's a little known format (*chuckle, heehee) known as .RTF or a rich text file..
Sure it's not perfect for everything, but in my experience it's worked really well for almost everything I've ever needed to transport between Open Office, K Office, Star Office and MS Office.
Ok, fair enough to say that for other documents you're pretty much out of luck. But hopefully everyone will be brave and accept this with *open arms so that everything will be compatible with a true STANDARD...
1. Cut down radioactive trees
2. ???
3. Profit!
I think I actually have an answer for #2...
2. Make glow in the dark paper...
Ok, a definition for you:
OS: Operating System
DOSDisk Operating System
Now, to tear you apart like a hungry lion on a small lamb...
DOS wasn't that bad of an OS. That's no bullshit.
Well, DOS was hardly an OS in the first place.
See above definition
Most of the stuff that is part of OSes simply do not exist in DOS: sound drivers, GUI, system services, etc.
I hate to destroy your perception of things, but... System Services = Bloat
Sound Drivers = Multimedia Support (Which was actually available in MS-DOS)
GUI=Graphical User Interface... (known as a UI not an OS, the UI is a *part of an OS, but it has nothing to do with it either being or not being an OS)
Is there really anything DOS could do, except launch programs?
Actually yes, many things... I know of companies that still use DOS for many things to this day for accounting, customer tracking, or other important tasks.
Now, other than that... I will admit that programming programs to use only 64k of memory was indeed a challenge, but hey it's the challenge that what makes things worth doing.
Wow, you've actually had a girlfreind? And you're posting on slashdot? Weird! :)
A quote from the article dealing with why a digital camera needs windows 98 "(Why Windows 98? Windows 95 doesn't support the USB connections used by nearly all new peripherals.)"
Ok, now... I have to ask, is it that I'm just really that up on my Windows history and all version differences, or is it that the writer of that article is as clueless as I think they must have been to say that...
Why would I say that? Simple, because there was a late release version of Windows 95 known as Revision D and it just so happens that it did support USB (not incredibly well, but it did support it) and that makes the above quote a complete lie. I would assume anyone who decides to consider themselves an expert would have a knowledge base deserving of that title.... Or at least they shouldn't act like they really know something is a fact when they really aren't so sure about it.
Well, at least now I can have that internet capable coffee pot that I've been hearing about for years...... Imagine, you get up in the morning and right before you leave the house and head to the office, you walk to the computer and tell it to start making coffee at the office... By the time you arrive at the office there's a nice pot of coffee already waiting for you (provided you prepared the coffee maker the night before...)
do you really think the _average_ user know what FTP is? I doubt it... I especially doubt that they would know to look in the right directory.....
I on the other hand do indeed know how to use FTP and would have done just that, except for that tiny little problem with not having any sort of connectivity.....
The other evening (without an internet connection) I was trying to install the .Net framework (dotnetfx.exe) on my laptop and since I had installed windows 98 the version of Internet Explorer was 5.00.x but due to the dependencies of the .Net framework I needed to have 5.01 or later.
As an aside, when you don't have 5.01 or later it just kills the browser that you do have installed, so it kinda causes a really fun catch-22, no browser to surf the web to find a new browser..... Really sucked.
Anyway, back with my story.... I was on a frantic search for a copy of IE 5.01 or later when I remembered that I had a stockpile of those AOL Cd's in the garage... I grabbed myself one of them (yellow, no idea what version) and proceeded to find the IE directory on the disc.. Sure enough it was version 5.01.x so I installed it and everything went smoothly from there.
So, the moral of the story? Sometimes AOL disks do have a use other than coasters or frisbees....
Duh, damn programmer mindset getting me into trouble again....
Now that I look at it again I realize that they don't mean the kind of threading I was thinking about, they mean theading as in nesting.... D'Oh!
Dearest Moderators: This is not flamebait, I am replying to myself to acknoledge that I made a stupid mistake.... thank you.
Really, when I'm on a *nix box I prefer to use Pine over ANY other option.... I actually enjoy the somewhat antiquated interface (reminds me of the good ol' days when that was the only option) and I love the fact that it is super fast.
I can't really understand the reason to add threading support... It's kinda like putting a bigger engine in a Corvette without putting more rubber on the ground.. It's a waste really, the program is so fast already with such low overhead that I have never had any problems with speed... Maybe I'm just missing something and there really is a great reason for this... I just don't see it.
Oh well though, great to see that it is still being maintained by someone, and that there are others out there that care about the wonderful program known to all as PINE.
Not a problem dear Mouser. The post from Ron was about fifteen posts down (I'm guessing). I do wonder how many calls he expected, and in respect to that how many he received. In closing, thank you for the polite retraction of your previous comments, I look foward to having further discourse with you in the future.
Cory Boehne
You have a fine point, however I would like to point out two things that negate almost all of your comment:
1: This is not Mom & Pop shop or any sort of a small company, it's the Wall Street Journal and as such they make and spend more money in one day than you will in your entire life (most likely, that is assuming you're not extrememly successful) So the cost of a few hundred 1-800 calls are virtually nothing to them. In addition to this, I'm sure if they were billing him for the calls it would put a fair dent in his pocket, however I would assume (due to the tangle of routing that I had to go through to get to him on the 800 number) that they are most likely not able to trace the call as being from their 800 number and bill him... At least I hope so, because he is a really nice fellow and I would hate to cost him any sum of money...
2: The 1-800 number I posted is listed on the Wall Street Journal homepage, so I would care to differ with you on the point of it not being heavily advertised already... It is highly accessible and heavily advertised.
Although I know you didn't have a clue about where I found that 800 number.....
On another point, your observation of slashdotting someone into bankruptcy, that actually made me laugh out loud... However I would like make sure that everyone knows bandwidth is not free either, and everytime the slashdot effect occurs it does cost someone, somewhere, something...
At 5:08PM on 11/20/02 The Grey Mouser wrote:
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Posting someone's phone number on a public site like Slashdot is *seriously* uncool. I understand your motivations, but soliciting phone calls on a site which regularly gets *tens* of *thousands* of eyeballs, even for "a quick call", an hour before deadline is possibly one of the most asinine things I have yet seen in a Slashdot posting; and, as you may infer from my Slash ID, I've seen a fair bit.
With friends like these, the DMCA needs no bloody help to stick its tendrils into every corner of American business.
Post your own damned phone number next time, fool.
Mouser
Dear freind Mouser,
While I do respect your views and agree somewhat with what you have said, I must condemn you for calling me a fool without proper justification. I would like to direct your attention to the link in the article above. It will lead you directly to fatwallet.com where the post below appears:
Date Posted: Nov/20/2002 10:43 AM
Posted by: Trekker
If anybody want to voice thier opinion I got this e-mail from the black friday Yahoo BF group
"Hi, Ron Lieber from the Wall St Journal here
I'm working on a story about the use of the DMCA to crack down on consumers swapping Black Friday sales data on web sites. If anyone would like to air their feelings on the subject, please call me at 212-416-4974 or send me an email with your phone number and I'll call you.
Thanks, Ron"
ITS TIME TO REWRITE THE DMCA!!!!!
Now, I would like you to know that if this information wasn't already in the parent I wouldn't have ever dreamed of posting this fellow's number on slashdot. However, as he was requesting that people get ahold of him to express their views on the subject I was only helping him get as many responses as possible(thereby representing as many view points as possible) and as it was already available to anyone who clicked on that link I figured I would let fellow slashdotters know that the 1-800 number was also available and that it would indeed get you to Ron.
Now, I hope that you also knew that at the time you made your post his deadline had already passed by a few hours. I hope you do take my advice and give him a call.
Other than that, someone above suggested a reverse slashdot interview, why doesn't someone call Ron and ask him if that would be of interest to him? I'm fairly sure that Malda would go for it and that would be a fine way to choose our representation effectivly.
Wow! First real world slashdotting..... I think the grandparent may have just started the first slashdotting to ever happen to someone over the phone! Bigtime kudos goes out to Ron for his efforts and I hope he does a great job on his story.
/. related headaches today Ron...)
Heh, not sure if I should be proud of that or ashamed of not being a bit more careful about weilding the power of slashdot.
I did just have a thought though, maybe he will write a follow up article and could use more ideas/comments (I'm sure if enough of us call he will do a follow up) about the DMCA. So everyone, let's let him have the time necessary to complete his article, and then call him, I'm gonna call in about an hour and a half, I hope the rest of you will follow suit. A half a million phone calls to one poor journalist should get somebody's attention at least.
Actually I think that is a great idea and this is why I'm replying to the Coward... A follow up article is probably going to be needed to really explore what this means to all of us and I think we should let Ron know how important this matter is to us by calling him (wait for a while) and telling him a little more about our views on this matter in detail, more so than is currently possible (I understand deadlines, sorry if I've caused you any serious
I've already told Ron everything that I had to say that was of value, however I'm sure that there are plenty of you out there with a unique viewpoint and I hope that you will call Ron in an hour or two and let him know what you have to say about this.
Once again if you read this Ron, I'm sorry but I had to do this... I hope you will see just how important this is to us, and exactly how many of us this is important to.
Just a quick heads up for everyone, Ron Lieber with the Wall Street Journal is writing an article on this story, I just got off the phone with him and he seems very likely to do a good job of writing the story.
Hopefully more journalists will follow suit and make the public-at-large more aware of what I think is a fine example of bad legislation at it's best.
If anyone wants to give Ron a quick call to comment on this and maybe help a bit with his article, his number is 212-416-4974 although I was able to reach him by playing phone maze with 1-800-369-2834. Just be prepaired for the worst voice recognition program ever.... He's gonna be done with it in about an hour so if you have something to say you better hurry.
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Password : slashdot
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And, on a slightly different note: Checking your html tags carefully before pressing the submit button is every bit as important as thinking before you speak... DOH! :)
From the article: "We're moving to an optical-centric world in which the computers are the slow things and you reluctantly add them in," Dr. Smarr said.
Umm yeah... If you didn't add in the computers what good would the optical network be?
I think this is a great example of what the old saying "think before you speak" is meant to help one avoid.
Yeah, this is indeed going to be a once in a lifetime event (or at least first in a lifetime event) for me, after reading about the electrophonic meteor sounds I decided that I'm going to strech a bit of tinfoil over a frame in the hopes that it will enable me to actually hear them well. Anyone else care to verify that this works before I try it? :)
Is there an insurance I can buy--or sue God for droppin' stones in my backyard !! I have when he/she/it does that !
Funny comment, although completely idiotic. The fireballs are commonly produced from peices not much larger than a grain of sand. Not exactly gonna do much to your car or backyard even if they did make it through the atmosphere.
Nah, we don't need no stinking high powered lasers on our wrist watches, just a nice Green one.
Dust doesn't hurt chips, but it does insulate them which can lead to excessive heat which does damage chips. Filters on cooling fans is a bad idea, simply because having a filter will increase resistance and reduce airflow which kills the desired cooling effect.
:) ) It's nice to see that nvidia is thinking of these things.
Instead of using a filter simply buy either:
1: A can of compressed air every now and then (expensive, but easy and reliable)
or
2: A small air compressor (however this can get much more expensive in the short term especially considering you need not only a compressor, but also, hose, fittings, an air chuck and most importantly a dryer (aka de-humidifer), so unless you have alot of stuff that needs cleaning and you live in a place that makes it needed fairly often you should probably stick with #1)
I must say though, what a cooling system! I don't know about everybody else, but I used to have a nice voodoo 3500 that would get so hot that you could burn yourself on it, I was always worried about that thing.... I finally rigged up a cooling system for it (yeah I know, buy one.... but it's more fun to make it out of old parts
From the first line: cworley submitted - several times
So, is THAT how you get something accepted? Really I don't know if posting that story with that attached to the front of it was such a great idea.....
Now everyone who submits a story that they think is good, should it get rejected, they will simply submit like twenty copies of it....
What a pain for the poor editors.... Really I question the wisdom of telling us this works....
Ok, not to mention the fact that I'm sure they will use some sort of proprietary packet formatting (this is Microsoft we're talking about people) that only the display (or a really clever OSS developer) will be able to decypher. That alone is secure.
Of course I lack coherency! I'm arguing fifteen points in as many threads... lol..
Ok, first off you didn't resort to any crap in that post, so thank you for that... you are starting to become open to discussion. I like that, now we can actually discuss. I do see how you took what I had said to mean that Windows was behind overall, this is not the case, however I did indeed mean that there are things about windows that linux is ahead by a long shot on, not the least of which is EXT2FS and the stability of the operating system. However overall I do consider Windows to be a better operating system for me to base my work on, if only because of the idiot factor, there's a lot more to it than that,,, but I don't feel like going through it.
Do you really beleve that Microsoft has never innovated? If you do beleve that then let me give you one good example, Microsoft Office... Sure, there were and still are many other Word Processors, Spreadsheets, Databases, Presentation Software etc. But until recently (KOffice, Open Office, Star Office are actually taking key from Microsoft Office) there was nothing out there that even came close to the level of interoperability that Office provides. Now, if you don't call that innovation what is? I mean in today's software world it's pretty hard to be creative to the point of really breaking new ground and doing something REALLY,REALLY different, so even small improvements are important and I do think that Microsoft has made a fair share of them (not to say that the OSS community hasn't or that the Mac PPL haven't). And really... I don't think it's possible to create any software today that someone, somewhere hasn't at least created something similar....
And, if you feel like it respond to my accusations about your other comments.. I really would like to know where some of that crap came from... Don't worry though, I forgive anything that you may regret saying, and hope that you may do the same for me.