I have been searching very seriously for the past few weeks for a good laptop. I have never owned or touched for that matter, a laptop. I have seen them but have never learned that much about them.
So I've been researching and finding out lots of different stuff. First is, Gateway is one place I am staying away from. I'll just say that I went to one of their "Gateway Country" stores and had a very very bad experience with their laptops.
Dell is looking very favoribility in my book. They seem to be good machines from what people say. The biggest issue for me is price. I am not looking to drop that much into a machine. Sure, I have read on here that you should spend the money and make sure you get a great machine, but I have been finding that you can find some bargains that don't seem too bad.
Dell has some lower-priced models that can compete with some of their higher-end models in terms of speed and the such. They also have been having some very attractive sales lately that I'm sorry I missed out on.
One thing that has REALLY caught my attention from reading this is about the Apple laptops. Are they really that good? I have read numerous people on this page rant and rave about them. I checked out Apple's site and they are expensive! I never thought they would be, but you can pick up a Dell that is 50% faster/bigger for less money!
So is Apple really worth the money? I have used Apple stuff for about a week total in my life, and while I didn't find them horrible, they seemed different. Isn't everyone here running Linux or Windows? I have seen Windows be the domiant operating system on Laptops, not just because Microsoft has a handle on the whole industry, but because it seems that Windows runs really good on laptops and there are less problems.
So I'll continue my search for good bargains on powerful machines and maybe get lucky one of these times. If anyone has any suggestions please email me. I'm interested in all the information I can get.
I think this is not just a very bad idea for Dell because I'm an avid Linux user, but because you have to stick with Linux in the long run. Sure, Linux systems might not be flying off the shelves, but as Linus did with Linux years ago, you have to offer the choice.
Even if Dell didn't display that it could install Linux in huge red letters on their site, they could still make it an option if the user so requests. That way they can be known for offering the choice and I think that merits respect from a lot of people, including me.
It was probably posted so a greater number of people can find it and test it out as it makes its way through the beta stages. Either that or it was a slow day for Slashdot. =)
Even though part of Jon's article may be true where there were times when the camera maybe shouldn't have been filming, I think a large part of me watching the game Saturday was due to the cameras.
There were some impressive shots from all over. The suspended cameras, the cameras on the field and all over were interesting. I'm just waiting for one of those field camera guys to get hit and end the practice of filming on the playing field.
But regardless, I hope to check out another game or so of the XFL. Everything has to start somewhere and this league seems like it wants to start out big using the latest technology there is.
Hey I had one of those! You could play games on them and they were portable! I loved moving it from TV to TV as if I was doing something important.
I haven't seen one of those around in forever!
Yeah, from what I've read, Pioneers do a pretty good job of handling the different media. I know its something I looked into carefully before buying a DVD player.
I was recently shopping for a home DVD player and I found many that did not support CDR/RW. The first one I purchased, the Samsung DVD-711 support CDR/RW AND MP3. This was extremly cool! The unit itself looks awesome, and the remote is one of the coolest I've seen, but as it was rumored to do, it skipped a couple times only after about 3 days of movie playing.
There was no way I was going to lay down $200 for a skipping DVD player. I then bought the Pioneer DV333 which had great reviews. And while the remote is terrible/ugly and the unit itself is not too pretty, it plays like a champ and has had absolutly no problems with skipping. It also supports CDR/W.
If I had my choice I take the looks and remote of the Samsung unit and combine them with the Pioneer engineering for my perfect DVD player. But for now I'll take the good quality of my Pioneer and see what happens in the future. I know that if I was an electronics company, I would support CDR/RW/DVD as I know myself along with a TON others look for that in a player.
I tried the Linux Progress Patch sometime last week and found it to be interesting. Sure, it was neat seeing this fancy debian boot screen, but it was not all that easy. A patching of the kernel and entire kernel recompile is neccessary in order to get it working.
If I were to suggest anything, it would be to allow the user the hit escape to view the boot information. Sure you can hit F2 to see it there, but I would like it much more to just hit escape.
Another key point is that if you move the mouse while it's booting, it leaves big black streaks across the screen (but then again, why would you move your mouse).
Overall it's an okay program with lots of work to go. When it can be integrated into a users system in a matter of seconds is when people will start checking it out more.
(Also, you need to put a ml at the end of the Energy Star link in this story).
Okay, maybe I'm just amused easily, but the cover of January's Wired is pretty cool! At first i thought I had greesy hands when I touched it, but then realized what the huge "TOUCH ME ALL OVER" meant.:)
Was that 15-minutes of no talking where he went into that persons house and got rid of the robber? I think that might be it but I can't remember, and that's really good if the audience didn't even realize the 15 minutes of silence.
Okay, maybe it is just my liking for really good journalism, or maybe I enjoy reading something that is written nice, but the KDE folks writing this article did a good job.
I use HelixCode GNOME. Have for a while now and will most likely continue to. Does that mean I dislike KDE? Not neccesarily, but I haven't really tried KDE in a year or so. KDE2.0 seems to be getting quite some hype lately and I'm started to get interested in what's going on (so maybe when I get home from work I'll download whats available of 2.0 and give it a whirl).
Getting back to the article, it looks to be like KDE has a strong foundation (at least they claim). If I were a brand new user with nothing on my desktop and no knowledge of the available software, I would think KDE is leading by miles and GNOME is brand new in development.
Or at least that's what the article makes it sound like. This technically may be the case, with KDE's easy-to-use interface and user-friendly icons, but I feel when it comes down to the real meat of applications and a strong desktop, GNOME is starting to get it together, even more so with HelixCode making huge waves in the pool.
So what do I think about KDE's position and their "war" with GNOME? I quite frankly think things will continue to be as they are. GNOME will continue to be a tad more popular (or at least I feel it is right now), and KDE will still be going strong, with it's nice interface and easiness. One day KDE might be used on all desktops, while GNOME is being ignored, but by what's going on today, it looks like the opposite. Stick in there KDE!:)
I came across these shots yesterday afternoon, and was shocked. HelixCode is integrating more and more and making things soo much easier to use it's great.
People are complaining about trying to be like Windows and that's bad, but they aren't trying to be like Windows. The software is simply being worked on to make it easier to use for the average joe. Linux will gain users with a nice GUI interface, not with a black and white console screen.
But the most important part of Red Carpet has to be Debian support! I don't know how long I've waited for debian support in the helix-updater. Sure, I use apt and love it, but I felt left out while all of the RedHat users were having a nice little interface to enjoy.
So I'm one happy guy, and I know this will make lots of other people happy as well. Good work HelixCode, and I can't wait to see what comes from you in the future!
I've used Google ever since I was it a few years ago, I believe it was on Slashdot, and it was being hailed as a search engine "run on linux". Finding that interesting, I tried it out, and it worked really great, and super-fast. Since that day, I've hardly ever used any other search engine, and I'm perfectly happy.
Now I am a 56K user, so speed is important to me. I hate waiting for pages to load, and hate it when more when I'm waiting for a search engine to load so I can wait for other web pages to load! The point of a search engine is to "search", and not display several banners ads in front of my face for me to simply ignore.;)
Google eliminates this wait greatly, and http://google.com loads in less than a second for me. Searches are also fast, and always produce relevant finds. And if the site that is linked is down or gone, it's great how I can just click on the "cached" link to get a copy of it. I use this feature way too often to be good.:)
I've introduced many people to google including friends & teachers at school, and coworkers & bosses at work. They all love google and they have many reasons to do so. They in turn, tell others who tell others, and this leads to google's popularity, and continued growth.
About the future of Google, I don't care about banner ads or whatnot. If typing in http://google.com loads a search engine in 1 second for me, with banner ads, then I'm fine with it. If it takes time, then I mgiht start consdering, but reading about google's morals and goals, that should't be happening anytime soon at least.
I like google. Like the hundreds of other's on here, I just like it. It suits all my needs and wants perfectly. Heck, searching for my name brings up any postings I have made to mailing lists or web boards in the last few months, and that's scary.
Google is an excellent search engine, and I think it's here to stay, and most importantly, improve. Way to go google, and keep up the great work and service you have provided for the past few years! If everyone in the online community dies suddenly, you'll still have one person using the service (and heck, imagine the speed then!)
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Scott Miga
suprax@linux.com
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You'll be putting the text of "Running to the Mountain" online? Nice! I still bought it but that is great news, next I have to check out "geeks".
I love reading computer books and about technology, and this one fit in perfectly. The title threw me off a little bit until I read the subtitle, which mentions Linux; otherwise you would think it's an American history textbook.:)
Wayner explains everything carefully so the beginner can understand and the seasoned user can also follow. This is the type of book I would give to a friend wondering about linux, or someone running Windows and dosen't know about the "alternative" operating system.
It also gave me some good knowledge about BSD history that I didn't know before and some in-depth people information about important people in the community. While I knew the majority of the information being covered, it just gave me that warm feeling after finishing the last page.
I would recommend this book to anyone who enjoys computers, linux, or anything remotely close. It's not too simple, yet not too hard. Written in a good, strong langauge, Free for All is a excellent read. I have it linked at http://suprax.org
I think this deal with AOL being for linux is great. Sure, I've used about 20 minutes of AOL ever at a cousins house, and don't use it at home, but seeing AOL starting to work on the linux operating system means a much bigger user base if this project does indeed take off.
I downloaded the file hoping I could try it out on my Debian based linux system, but was dissapointed to find a bunch of RPM's. Now I understand this file wasen't even offically released, so we should not all expect it to work good, or work at all, but I just hope they don't plan on making it RedHat-only based.
I am unable to use AOL due to not having a local access number, but if I did, I honestly think I would at least try it out. Heck, they've probably given me a million hours of free service, why not? I see this news as something really good for the linux community, because now, all of those people who use AOL and want to try linux, can do both!
Secondly, think about the number of users who are itching to use linux but have AOL straining them back. I know for sure the linux community will benefit greatly from an AOL client for linux. I know there is the fair share of people who hate AOL with a passion, but you have got to admit, after this client starts to get rolling, there will be the snowball effect with the positive side facing AOL.
* Just a side note, can someone explain to me why AOL dosen't want the linux client released before it's offically done? Besides the small security concerns, AOL should be glad the client got out and have it's blessings that we're trying to improve their product.
I attempted to install Netscape PR2, but after 3 secs on the download bar, it closes and dosen't let me read the error message. Even after changing the servers in config.ini it still does it. Well, so much for PR2.
I'm currently downloading the latest nightly Mozilla build, and I'll try it like I do every once in a while. Mozilla is getting there, but I just can't stand the oversized browser buttons. I guess I like when buttons are slick looking and small.
I just never thought I would be passing up the latest Netscape release, whatever version, for Mozilla. I always saw Mozilla as a buggy, unstable, unlikeable browser, but the more and more I try it I'm starting to grab hold. I don't know whats going on over at Netscape, but it certainly isn't working anymore.
Heck, does anyone remember going to the store and finding nice, packaged boxed of Netscape on the shelves? Even though they cost money, it was nice seeing Netscape proudly displayed. Now, if it's not put out by Microsoft, you won't see it there. The only thing I could find locally was Netscape Communicator Browser "tools". What "tools" do people need for a browser?
Well, it's sad to see this but Netscape has dug it's own grave with me. Maybe if they get their head on straight and release something installable and usuable again, I'll try, but for now, I'm headed for the red monster.
Just this morning I saw the new mouse in a new Apple commercial. It shows the mouse zooming all over a surface to a rock song. It then says "Now standard on all Macintosh computers". I have to say, this matches the Microsoft mouse extremly close, but Apple has gone just one step farther by throwing it in with all computers.
Haha actually I am interested if Mozilla will be on again or if it was a one-shot deal. But ever if I had anytime to tie my own shoes.. naw still wouldnt watch it:)
My grandma had one some soap opera today(think it was all my children), and they had a computer scene with Mozilla and the Mozilla mail client open and being used. I couldn't believe it! Is this because Netscape has copyright issues or something? It was great!
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While the article was well-written and was helpful, I think there should have been at least a couple pictures comparing the two. Just my 2 cents!
I have been searching very seriously for the past few weeks for a good laptop. I have never owned or touched for that matter, a laptop. I have seen them but have never learned that much about them.
So I've been researching and finding out lots of different stuff. First is, Gateway is one place I am staying away from. I'll just say that I went to one of their "Gateway Country" stores and had a very very bad experience with their laptops.
Dell is looking very favoribility in my book. They seem to be good machines from what people say. The biggest issue for me is price. I am not looking to drop that much into a machine. Sure, I have read on here that you should spend the money and make sure you get a great machine, but I have been finding that you can find some bargains that don't seem too bad.
Dell has some lower-priced models that can compete with some of their higher-end models in terms of speed and the such. They also have been having some very attractive sales lately that I'm sorry I missed out on.
One thing that has REALLY caught my attention from reading this is about the Apple laptops. Are they really that good? I have read numerous people on this page rant and rave about them. I checked out Apple's site and they are expensive! I never thought they would be, but you can pick up a Dell that is 50% faster/bigger for less money!
So is Apple really worth the money? I have used Apple stuff for about a week total in my life, and while I didn't find them horrible, they seemed different. Isn't everyone here running Linux or Windows? I have seen Windows be the domiant operating system on Laptops, not just because Microsoft has a handle on the whole industry, but because it seems that Windows runs really good on laptops and there are less problems.
So I'll continue my search for good bargains on powerful machines and maybe get lucky one of these times. If anyone has any suggestions please email me. I'm interested in all the information I can get.
I think this is not just a very bad idea for Dell because I'm an avid Linux user, but because you have to stick with Linux in the long run. Sure, Linux systems might not be flying off the shelves, but as Linus did with Linux years ago, you have to offer the choice.
Even if Dell didn't display that it could install Linux in huge red letters on their site, they could still make it an option if the user so requests. That way they can be known for offering the choice and I think that merits respect from a lot of people, including me.
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Scott Miga
suprax@linux.com
It was probably posted so a greater number of people can find it and test it out as it makes its way through the beta stages. Either that or it was a slow day for Slashdot. =)
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Scott Miga
suprax@linux.com
Even though part of Jon's article may be true where there were times when the camera maybe shouldn't have been filming, I think a large part of me watching the game Saturday was due to the cameras.
There were some impressive shots from all over. The suspended cameras, the cameras on the field and all over were interesting. I'm just waiting for one of those field camera guys to get hit and end the practice of filming on the playing field.
But regardless, I hope to check out another game or so of the XFL. Everything has to start somewhere and this league seems like it wants to start out big using the latest technology there is.
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Scott Miga
suprax@linux.com
Hey I had one of those! You could play games on them and they were portable! I loved moving it from TV to TV as if I was doing something important. I haven't seen one of those around in forever!
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Scott Miga
suprax@linux.com
Yeah, from what I've read, Pioneers do a pretty good job of handling the different media. I know its something I looked into carefully before buying a DVD player.
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Scott Miga
suprax@linux.com
I was recently shopping for a home DVD player and I found many that did not support CDR/RW. The first one I purchased, the Samsung DVD-711 support CDR/RW AND MP3. This was extremly cool! The unit itself looks awesome, and the remote is one of the coolest I've seen, but as it was rumored to do, it skipped a couple times only after about 3 days of movie playing.
There was no way I was going to lay down $200 for a skipping DVD player. I then bought the Pioneer DV333 which had great reviews. And while the remote is terrible/ugly and the unit itself is not too pretty, it plays like a champ and has had absolutly no problems with skipping. It also supports CDR/W.
If I had my choice I take the looks and remote of the Samsung unit and combine them with the Pioneer engineering for my perfect DVD player. But for now I'll take the good quality of my Pioneer and see what happens in the future. I know that if I was an electronics company, I would support CDR/RW/DVD as I know myself along with a TON others look for that in a player.
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Scott Miga
suprax@linux.com
I was wondering if I was the only one who noticed that. Hey, we're all humans! :)
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Scott Miga
suprax@linux.com
The last line of Linus's post is hilarious. "I won't care anyway." After this development cycle he's due for a long vacation.
And by the way, wasen't there some 2.4 release betting going on? Did anyone win?
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Scott Miga
suprax@linux.com
I tried the Linux Progress Patch sometime last week and found it to be interesting. Sure, it was neat seeing this fancy debian boot screen, but it was not all that easy. A patching of the kernel and entire kernel recompile is neccessary in order to get it working.
If I were to suggest anything, it would be to allow the user the hit escape to view the boot information. Sure you can hit F2 to see it there, but I would like it much more to just hit escape.
Another key point is that if you move the mouse while it's booting, it leaves big black streaks across the screen (but then again, why would you move your mouse).
Overall it's an okay program with lots of work to go. When it can be integrated into a users system in a matter of seconds is when people will start checking it out more.
(Also, you need to put a ml at the end of the Energy Star link in this story).
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Scott Miga
suprax@linux.com
Okay, maybe I'm just amused easily, but the cover of January's Wired is pretty cool! At first i thought I had greesy hands when I touched it, but then realized what the huge "TOUCH ME ALL OVER" meant. :)
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Scott Miga
suprax@linux.com
Was that 15-minutes of no talking where he went into that persons house and got rid of the robber? I think that might be it but I can't remember, and that's really good if the audience didn't even realize the 15 minutes of silence.
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Scott Miga
suprax@linux.com
Haha, during the day someone will answer the phone. I asked for Option 7, and she connects me to the listings of options, then quaky quaky.
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Scott Miga
suprax@linux.com
Okay, maybe it is just my liking for really good journalism, or maybe I enjoy reading something that is written nice, but the KDE folks writing this article did a good job.
:)
I use HelixCode GNOME. Have for a while now and will most likely continue to. Does that mean I dislike KDE? Not neccesarily, but I haven't really tried KDE in a year or so. KDE2.0 seems to be getting quite some hype lately and I'm started to get interested in what's going on (so maybe when I get home from work I'll download whats available of 2.0 and give it a whirl).
Getting back to the article, it looks to be like KDE has a strong foundation (at least they claim). If I were a brand new user with nothing on my desktop and no knowledge of the available software, I would think KDE is leading by miles and GNOME is brand new in development.
Or at least that's what the article makes it sound like. This technically may be the case, with KDE's easy-to-use interface and user-friendly icons, but I feel when it comes down to the real meat of applications and a strong desktop, GNOME is starting to get it together, even more so with HelixCode making huge waves in the pool.
So what do I think about KDE's position and their "war" with GNOME? I quite frankly think things will continue to be as they are. GNOME will continue to be a tad more popular (or at least I feel it is right now), and KDE will still be going strong, with it's nice interface and easiness. One day KDE might be used on all desktops, while GNOME is being ignored, but by what's going on today, it looks like the opposite. Stick in there KDE!
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Scott Miga
suprax@linux.com
I came across these shots yesterday afternoon, and was shocked. HelixCode is integrating more and more and making things soo much easier to use it's great.
People are complaining about trying to be like Windows and that's bad, but they aren't trying to be like Windows. The software is simply being worked on to make it easier to use for the average joe. Linux will gain users with a nice GUI interface, not with a black and white console screen.
But the most important part of Red Carpet has to be Debian support! I don't know how long I've waited for debian support in the helix-updater. Sure, I use apt and love it, but I felt left out while all of the RedHat users were having a nice little interface to enjoy.
So I'm one happy guy, and I know this will make lots of other people happy as well. Good work HelixCode, and I can't wait to see what comes from you in the future!
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Scott Miga
suprax@linux.com
I've used Google ever since I was it a few years ago, I believe it was on Slashdot, and it was being hailed as a search engine "run on linux". Finding that interesting, I tried it out, and it worked really great, and super-fast. Since that day, I've hardly ever used any other search engine, and I'm perfectly happy.
;)
:)
Now I am a 56K user, so speed is important to me. I hate waiting for pages to load, and hate it when more when I'm waiting for a search engine to load so I can wait for other web pages to load! The point of a search engine is to "search", and not display several banners ads in front of my face for me to simply ignore.
Google eliminates this wait greatly, and http://google.com loads in less than a second for me. Searches are also fast, and always produce relevant finds. And if the site that is linked is down or gone, it's great how I can just click on the "cached" link to get a copy of it. I use this feature way too often to be good.
I've introduced many people to google including friends & teachers at school, and coworkers & bosses at work. They all love google and they have many reasons to do so. They in turn, tell others who tell others, and this leads to google's popularity, and continued growth.
About the future of Google, I don't care about banner ads or whatnot. If typing in http://google.com loads a search engine in 1 second for me, with banner ads, then I'm fine with it. If it takes time, then I mgiht start consdering, but reading about google's morals and goals, that should't be happening anytime soon at least.
I like google. Like the hundreds of other's on here, I just like it. It suits all my needs and wants perfectly. Heck, searching for my name brings up any postings I have made to mailing lists or web boards in the last few months, and that's scary.
Google is an excellent search engine, and I think it's here to stay, and most importantly, improve. Way to go google, and keep up the great work and service you have provided for the past few years! If everyone in the online community dies suddenly, you'll still have one person using the service (and heck, imagine the speed then!)
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Scott Miga
suprax@linux.com
You'll be putting the text of "Running to the Mountain" online? Nice! I still bought it but that is great news, next I have to check out "geeks".
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Scott Miga
suprax@linux.com
I love reading computer books and about technology, and this one fit in perfectly. The title threw me off a little bit until I read the subtitle, which mentions Linux; otherwise you would think it's an American history textbook. :)
Wayner explains everything carefully so the beginner can understand and the seasoned user can also follow. This is the type of book I would give to a friend wondering about linux, or someone running Windows and dosen't know about the "alternative" operating system.
It also gave me some good knowledge about BSD history that I didn't know before and some in-depth people information about important people in the community. While I knew the majority of the information being covered, it just gave me that warm feeling after finishing the last page.
I would recommend this book to anyone who enjoys computers, linux, or anything remotely close. It's not too simple, yet not too hard. Written in a good, strong langauge, Free for All is a excellent read. I have it linked at http://suprax.org
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Scott Miga
suprax@linux.com
I think this deal with AOL being for linux is great. Sure, I've used about 20 minutes of AOL ever at a cousins house, and don't use it at home, but seeing AOL starting to work on the linux operating system means a much bigger user base if this project does indeed take off.
I downloaded the file hoping I could try it out on my Debian based linux system, but was dissapointed to find a bunch of RPM's. Now I understand this file wasen't even offically released, so we should not all expect it to work good, or work at all, but I just hope they don't plan on making it RedHat-only based.
I am unable to use AOL due to not having a local access number, but if I did, I honestly think I would at least try it out. Heck, they've probably given me a million hours of free service, why not? I see this news as something really good for the linux community, because now, all of those people who use AOL and want to try linux, can do both!
Secondly, think about the number of users who are itching to use linux but have AOL straining them back. I know for sure the linux community will benefit greatly from an AOL client for linux. I know there is the fair share of people who hate AOL with a passion, but you have got to admit, after this client starts to get rolling, there will be the snowball effect with the positive side facing AOL.
* Just a side note, can someone explain to me why AOL dosen't want the linux client released before it's offically done? Besides the small security concerns, AOL should be glad the client got out and have it's blessings that we're trying to improve their product.
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Scott Miga
suprax@linux.com
I attempted to install Netscape PR2, but after 3 secs on the download bar, it closes and dosen't let me read the error message. Even after changing the servers in config.ini it still does it. Well, so much for PR2.
I'm currently downloading the latest nightly Mozilla build, and I'll try it like I do every once in a while. Mozilla is getting there, but I just can't stand the oversized browser buttons. I guess I like when buttons are slick looking and small.
I just never thought I would be passing up the latest Netscape release, whatever version, for Mozilla. I always saw Mozilla as a buggy, unstable, unlikeable browser, but the more and more I try it I'm starting to grab hold. I don't know whats going on over at Netscape, but it certainly isn't working anymore.
Heck, does anyone remember going to the store and finding nice, packaged boxed of Netscape on the shelves? Even though they cost money, it was nice seeing Netscape proudly displayed. Now, if it's not put out by Microsoft, you won't see it there. The only thing I could find locally was Netscape Communicator Browser "tools". What "tools" do people need for a browser?
Well, it's sad to see this but Netscape has dug it's own grave with me. Maybe if they get their head on straight and release something installable and usuable again, I'll try, but for now, I'm headed for the red monster.
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Scott Miga
suprax@linux.com
Just this morning I saw the new mouse in a new Apple commercial. It shows the mouse zooming all over a surface to a rock song. It then says "Now standard on all Macintosh computers". I have to say, this matches the Microsoft mouse extremly close, but Apple has gone just one step farther by throwing it in with all computers.
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Scott Miga
suprax@linux.com
Haha actually I am interested if Mozilla will be on again or if it was a one-shot deal. But ever if I had anytime to tie my own shoes.. naw still wouldnt watch it :)
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Scott Miga
suprax@linux.com
My grandma had one some soap opera today(think it was all my children), and they had a computer scene with Mozilla and the Mozilla mail client open and being used. I couldn't believe it! Is this because Netscape has copyright issues or something? It was great!
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Scott Miga
suprax@linux.com
With that maturity, I doubt it. Let's grow up.
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Scott Miga
suprax@linux.com