And if they can be spraypainted with a custom image, can the ad be subverted, ingame?
Will there be a cs map where the t have to spraypaint all the adverts and the ct have to stop them?
Can you machine-gun them while screencapture and play that back on your blog as an mpeg? As In "This McDonalds McRib $2.99 offer and what me and my m51 think about it".
The quuestion then goes: who promoted the bad boss? Another bad Boss? And who's in charge of it all? The executives. And who's in charge of the executives? The Board of Directors + shareholders...
Maybe they figure that bad bosses are actually good for the bottom line...
Oh, of course they could. But they didn't. I didn't say the solution wasn't simple. The best solutions often are the simplest ones. All I'm saying is that the people at MSFT didn't do it, and the reason is that their management and office environment is not conducive to great geek hacking.
What you need is one Superior Hacker, like the guy with this unofficial patch. This Superior Hacker with his Superior Skills sets himself to grokking the problem fully then works out, and implements a fix. In just a few hours.
The reality is that Microsoft does not strike me like the kind of place a Superior Hacker would like to work.
Read the Mythical Man Month. Here's the one-line summary: Assigning 9 women to a pregnancy does not get you a baby after 1 month.
Specifically, no. The laws in question are designed not only to not let any "foreign propaganda" through, they are also designed to not allow views that are contrary to government policy, and they are further designed to aid in the dissemination of the government's message, punishing those who fail to obey the law with imprisonment, confiscation of property, and public disgrace.
That's why we're saying that Google is no longer "Do No Evil", but "make MORE money".
If Google wants to compete internationally, Google will have the pleasure to deal with governments who condone torture, condone political, religious, and ethnic repression. Google will have to deal with organized crime and government official corruption.
I know people in the oil industry. They don't claim not to be evil. They do claim (and they do) to get a lot of money for their shareholders.
And let me tell you about shareholders: They don't give a flying fuck if your company is responsible for child labor in third world countries or for polluting on a mass scale, or for propping up despotic governments. As long as the dividends keep coming in.
Don't like it? Tough. That's the way the world works.
> The problem is, there is no reason for Java to grow. It absolutely should not change. The whole point of Java is that it is a simple and elegant solution to most programming problems.
You can tell Sun not to work on Mustang then.
Java has bugs. The language needs to change.
> I don't use python, ruby, smalltalk or a veritable army of smaller, nimbler tools because they are smaller and nimbler! They move. Geeks play with them. I just want to work. I don't want my language changing out from under me.
Use ANSI C.
Why do you think the linux kernel is written in C?
> Until then, all I can do is beg sun to continue to defend my favorite language against those that want to add features, fracture it, etc.
Yes, all you can do is beg. But does Sun Microsystems Inc. care what you think? They will do whatever they have to do to maximize shareholder value, so, your begging is a waste of time.
> Seriously, if someone thinks they would prefer a more nimble language, why are they even concerned what sun does with Java? It is obviously not the language for them, and since Sun doesn't prevent you from making a similar language--feel free to do so and start modifying it.
Yes, that is true. And that is why the geeks have moved on. Geeks, I'll have you know, are not pimply-faced 19 year olds in basements. I'm typing from the second floor of a fortune 200 building while listening to a veery boring meeting with my netcom headset. We use java, and we use COBOL, and asp, and.net, and python. I develop tools in python when management asks: Can you do this in 10 minutes? And they know I use python. We use the languages that make sense. Using Java is making less sense each passing day.
> What is the advantage of opening Java over the users you listed just creating a similar related language or set of languages? In your previous post you never addressed that.
You can keep running whatever version of the VM you like (and it probably won't be touched at all except for maybe some securiy-critical back-ports). We're not stopping you. I'm talking about Java 3, 4 and 5 in 2007, 2010 and 2013.
"Standing on the shoulders of giants."
> Can't you admit that different programmers need different things, and that java is just what I need, and that sun opening it would simply ruin it for me and not help anyone else (since nobody is preventing them from creating their own now?)
I absolutely think the appropriate programming languages should be used for the tasks at hand. Sun can do whatever they want, and you can do whatever you want. But neither you or they should complain that nobody uses java in 8 years, and billions of lines of codes go to waste, including yours. What do you think is happening now with people that programmed all those client-server apps in VB5&6 in the 1995-2000 timeframe? Companies are setting up servers and terminal servicing into them to run "old" vb5 apps.
Sun it taking Java down that road.
I know. I was a VB programmer. I junked all that and deleted years of work because "it's obsolete".
By the way, Python started in 1991 to Java's 1995. Smalltalk goes back further. Java is the new kid on the block.
You really should take a look at python. You'll like it. I promise. Bruce Eckel agrees. See http://www.artima.com/intv/aboutme.html. You know Bruce, he's the guy who wrote "Thinking in Java", the de-facto bible of learning java programming.
I feel your pain and frustration, Bill, but in this world what you don't know can definitely hurt you. I'm not trying to hurt you, I'm trying to help you. (not-so-obscure movie line).
No no no no... Real nerds know that Reality as we know it is a Fantasy. The real reality is much darker, grimy, and unforgiving. It's a live and let die kind of thing...
Feeling now empowered with a sense of ownership, code gurus everywhere (but mostly at fortune 500 companies) will actually improve the code, make java smaller, faster, and more easily deployable. Then they will really recommend it instead of pointing to http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html, and the adoption rate will increase even more.
Then, of course, the Sun version will become obsolete (too slow, too buggy, etc) and everybody will use GNUJava and the world will be a Much Happier Place.
Of course, at that point, a plethora of existing software will start getting into the language. Java will support XML-RPC, REST, and SOAP out-of-the-box. It will support a whole bunch of things that now Sun won't put in.
Sun is not currently able to maintain the level of language development to compete against python, ruby, smalltalk and a veritable army of smaller, nimbler tools. Java is fast becoming the COBOL of the internet age: yes, lots of companies use it for mission critical stuff, but newer technologies have gobbled up the geeks. It's only a matter of time before it's obsolete. See http://paulgraham.com/pypar.html.
I am not against Java. I am against Java staying the way it is today. I want java to grow. The hacker community at large will do a better job than Sun Microsystems. Period. Besides, Sun is going down. Larger companies have completely disappeared. I just went to their web site, priced a workstation, and priced an equivalent workstation at hp.com for $1K less. You tell me. They will probably remain at about 1/3 of their size today as a provider of high-end hardware. Like Cray.
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So I can go to my IT manager and say: We can't rely on Microsoft being here long-term, they're such a small company...
Oh wait, it's just for OUTSIDE the US.
What do they think? That the foreigners are easy to fool?
In any case, anything Microsoft does to burn its cash uselessly has got to be good, somehow.
Can we spraypaint them?
If so, can they be automatically spraypainted?
And if they can be spraypainted with a custom image, can the ad be subverted, ingame?
Will there be a cs map where the t have to spraypaint all the adverts and the ct have to stop them?
Can you machine-gun them while screencapture and play that back on your blog as an mpeg? As In "This McDonalds McRib $2.99 offer and what me and my m51 think about it".
Ah, but looks like you too have horrible bosses.
The quuestion then goes: who promoted the bad boss? Another bad Boss? And who's in charge of it all? The executives. And who's in charge of the executives? The Board of Directors + shareholders...
Maybe they figure that bad bosses are actually good for the bottom line...
In which case you must quit.
Oh, I see, so then NASA could track 13,000 bodies in space, in addition to the 13,000 items.
Unintended.
I beeeeeheheheheheg your paaahahahahardon?
Oh, of course they could. But they didn't. I didn't say the solution wasn't simple. The best solutions often are the simplest ones. All I'm saying is that the people at MSFT didn't do it, and the reason is that their management and office environment is not conducive to great geek hacking.
Well, no, you can't do that.
What you need is one Superior Hacker, like the guy with this unofficial patch. This Superior Hacker with his Superior Skills sets himself to grokking the problem fully then works out, and implements a fix. In just a few hours.
The reality is that Microsoft does not strike me like the kind of place a Superior Hacker would like to work.
Read the Mythical Man Month. Here's the one-line summary: Assigning 9 women to a pregnancy does not get you a baby after 1 month.
Eclipse is crap for python. Now you know.
If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
I'm going to echo the quit comment.
Use bugzilla and subversion; both free, both easy and serviceable out-of-the-box (except no box in their case)
Install them on a piece of crap system with debian stable and don't tell your boss they are there.
If he fires you, tell your new boss during the interview that you were terminated for using bug tracking and version control.
If you're too afraid, stay there, and do every single damn thing your boss tells you to.
Again, quit. Your boss is not respecting your professional opinion.
I'm gonna say that a one dollar bounty would be more fun:
Imagine telling people that Linus Torvalds sent you a one dollar check (uncashed of course) as bounty for function foo()
Buy Cisco. (Linksys for you home users out there)
Yes, you'll pay more. But there's a reason the US military buys cisco.
Specifically, no. The laws in question are designed not only to not let any "foreign propaganda" through, they are also designed to not allow views that are contrary to government policy, and they are further designed to aid in the dissemination of the government's message, punishing those who fail to obey the law with imprisonment, confiscation of property, and public disgrace.
That's why we're saying that Google is no longer "Do No Evil", but "make MORE money".
If Google wants to compete internationally, Google will have the pleasure to deal with governments who condone torture, condone political, religious, and ethnic repression. Google will have to deal with organized crime and government official corruption.
I know people in the oil industry. They don't claim not to be evil. They do claim (and they do) to get a lot of money for their shareholders.
And let me tell you about shareholders: They don't give a flying fuck if your company is responsible for child labor in third world countries or for polluting on a mass scale, or for propping up despotic governments. As long as the dividends keep coming in.
Don't like it? Tough. That's the way the world works.
My wife does the laundry. I don't want google to do my laundry.
See http://laundry.google.com/
No email requirement.
You can see the entire edit history of a logged-in account.
But does it send "hello world" via email?
I'd like to know whether the word "woman" appears anywhere, and if so, in what projects.
Eh.
Thanks for your replies.
I unfortunately don't have time today, so I'll let this rest...
No, that would be "P'tain d'ricains, leur elections a la con puent le mazout."
> The problem is, there is no reason for Java to grow. It absolutely should not change. The whole point of Java is that it is a simple and elegant solution to most programming problems.
.net, and python. I develop tools in python when management asks: Can you do this in 10 minutes? And they know I use python. We use the languages that make sense. Using Java is making less sense each passing day.
You can tell Sun not to work on Mustang then.
Java has bugs. The language needs to change.
> I don't use python, ruby, smalltalk or a veritable army of smaller, nimbler tools because they are smaller and nimbler! They move. Geeks play with them. I just want to work. I don't want my language changing out from under me.
Use ANSI C.
Why do you think the linux kernel is written in C?
> Until then, all I can do is beg sun to continue to defend my favorite language against those that want to add features, fracture it, etc.
Yes, all you can do is beg. But does Sun Microsystems Inc. care what you think? They will do whatever they have to do to maximize shareholder value, so, your begging is a waste of time.
> Seriously, if someone thinks they would prefer a more nimble language, why are they even concerned what sun does with Java? It is obviously not the language for them, and since Sun doesn't prevent you from making a similar language--feel free to do so and start modifying it.
Yes, that is true. And that is why the geeks have moved on. Geeks, I'll have you know, are not pimply-faced 19 year olds in basements. I'm typing from the second floor of a fortune 200 building while listening to a veery boring meeting with my netcom headset. We use java, and we use COBOL, and asp, and
> What is the advantage of opening Java over the users you listed just creating a similar related language or set of languages? In your previous post you never addressed that.
You can keep running whatever version of the VM you like (and it probably won't be touched at all except for maybe some securiy-critical back-ports). We're not stopping you. I'm talking about Java 3, 4 and 5 in 2007, 2010 and 2013.
"Standing on the shoulders of giants."
> Can't you admit that different programmers need different things, and that java is just what I need, and that sun opening it would simply ruin it for me and not help anyone else (since nobody is preventing them from creating their own now?)
I absolutely think the appropriate programming languages should be used for the tasks at hand. Sun can do whatever they want, and you can do whatever you want. But neither you or they should complain that nobody uses java in 8 years, and billions of lines of codes go to waste, including yours. What do you think is happening now with people that programmed all those client-server apps in VB5&6 in the 1995-2000 timeframe? Companies are setting up servers and terminal servicing into them to run "old" vb5 apps.
Sun it taking Java down that road.
I know. I was a VB programmer. I junked all that and deleted years of work because "it's obsolete".
By the way, Python started in 1991 to Java's 1995. Smalltalk goes back further. Java is the new kid on the block.
You really should take a look at python. You'll like it. I promise. Bruce Eckel agrees. See http://www.artima.com/intv/aboutme.html. You know Bruce, he's the guy who wrote "Thinking in Java", the de-facto bible of learning java programming.
I feel your pain and frustration, Bill, but in this world what you don't know can definitely hurt you. I'm not trying to hurt you, I'm trying to help you. (not-so-obscure movie line).
Ah yes, the Dreaded Remote Punch Cards.
No no no no... Real nerds know that Reality as we know it is a Fantasy. The real reality is much darker, grimy, and unforgiving. It's a live and let die kind of thing...
The Klingons are right.
Oh yes... Something good can come of it...
w indow_focus.
Feeling now empowered with a sense of ownership, code gurus everywhere (but mostly at fortune 500 companies) will actually improve the code, make java smaller, faster, and more easily deployable. Then they will really recommend it instead of pointing to http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html, and the adoption rate will increase even more.
Then, of course, the Sun version will become obsolete (too slow, too buggy, etc) and everybody will use GNUJava and the world will be a Much Happier Place.
Of course, at that point, a plethora of existing software will start getting into the language. Java will support XML-RPC, REST, and SOAP out-of-the-box. It will support a whole bunch of things that now Sun won't put in.
But best of all, the bugs will be cleaned out. Slava Pestov, the lead developer on jEdit (http://www.jedit.org/, which I use daily as my primary editor), will be able to write applications without feeling like this: http://www.jroller.com/page/slava?entry=java_1_5_
You don't have to take my word for it. Just find out what real java programmers are saying. Also, take a look at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/beyondjava/.
Sun is not currently able to maintain the level of language development to compete against python, ruby, smalltalk and a veritable army of smaller, nimbler tools. Java is fast becoming the COBOL of the internet age: yes, lots of companies use it for mission critical stuff, but newer technologies have gobbled up the geeks. It's only a matter of time before it's obsolete. See http://paulgraham.com/pypar.html.
I am not against Java. I am against Java staying the way it is today. I want java to grow. The hacker community at large will do a better job than Sun Microsystems. Period. Besides, Sun is going down. Larger companies have completely disappeared. I just went to their web site, priced a workstation, and priced an equivalent workstation at hp.com for $1K less. You tell me. They will probably remain at about 1/3 of their size today as a provider of high-end hardware. Like Cray.