And... when would I ever want to do that? I do! that's enough for me. And if Opera forums are representative of a group of users, I'm not the only one.
Ok, but you could also just left-click the tab you want. I can't see the damn texts when I have 50+ tabs open.
Ah, but you're confusing "usability" with "fancy features." I can use almost all features with the mouse.
I don't need to use the keyboard to browse the Web unless I'm writing a slashdot response or something like that. Never. That's both more comfortable and faster than having to use both keyboard and mouse because I don't have 3 hands. And that's usability.
On Macintosh at least, Opera loved to use its own mutant widgets that looked, but didn't act, like the OS default ones in an infuriating manner. Yes, they use the Qt toolkit that I don't like because it's not really native, instead of wxWidgets that's truly native. But both companies are in the same building, so, fat chance. That's the same thing I hate about flash. Never seen two flash animations having the same scrolling. I feel your pain there.
there's still the matter of its costing $$$ when IE and Firefox don't. Opera doesn't cost money to use in the desktop (anymore). And Opera will never cost money again in the desktop. No company is that suicidal. They survive by google search profits, just as firefox does.
100% is pointless, simply because as soon as a browser has enough marketshare, webmasters will code to that browser and fuck the rest. Right now we are in a transition where any coder worth they pay has to code sites compatible with several browsers, at least IE and FF.
However, you have a point about corporate stuff. If firefox doesn't provide compatibility with WSUS, then it's harder to manage in a corporate environment. And by harder I mean impossible.
And that coder that used chrome, should be shot on sight, just like the ones that use ActiveX.
That said, if you ever removed Opera from my computer I would have to go and break your knees with a baseball bat.
I respectfully and totally disagree with you on Opera usability. To me the others are the ones with crappy usability.
I can't use middle click scrolling with pixel accuracy in the others as I can with Opera.
I can't switch tabs holding the right mouse button and moving the wheel in the others as I can with Opera.
I can't use mouse gestures to reload a page, or duplicate a tab (with full back and forward history), or going to the parent directory of a URL, or minimize or open or close tabs in the other browsers as I can with Opera.
All this features were in Opera in that time period AFAIR. Opera is not perfect, but you saying that it has/had crappy usability is pure bullshit.
and the fact that I can hit the windows key and immediately start typing into a search box to match whatever program I'm looking for. I prefer to install Launchy than pay for Vista.
I respectfully and totally disagree with your statement that Greenpeace did not lie.
I support the goals of Greenpeace. But I don't support their methods. They had ridiculous methodology. Probably nothing is as far as the scientific method than what they did.
'I'm lazy so I will only see their web page' is very, very irresponsible when publishing a study. Specially if it will be read by thousands if not millions of people. For a group as big and loud as Greenpeace the cost of a couple laptops should not be an issue.
I mean, Greenpeace praised some companies because those companies had plans published online to do some green stuff in the future, and vilify Apple while Apple was actually doing that green stuff just because it was not published online.
Somehow, Greenpeace seems to think that their vaporware reports convinced Apple to start phasing out PVC from their products, when Apple's report clearly states that this has been a work in progress for 12 years. (Emphasis mine) from: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Greenpeace-Thinks-It-Made-Apple-Greener-53917.shtml
In my case I prefer to use some software that has been working perfectly fine for years and has been extensively copied in almost all features by others.
And by copied, I don't mean perfect copies. Mouse gestures in FF still sucks after you have used Opera mouse gestures for more than a week. And middle-button scrolling. All others have middle-button scrolling, but I just can't have pixel perfect accuracy with FF as I can with Opera. You see, you talk about hypothetic stuff (but valid, nonetheless) and I talk about actual experience (because all else is not really equal).
Having said that, I expect that FF copies Opera excellent SVG support as soon as possible.
Bah, what the OSS movement should have provided is an open platform where every software maker could compete just on merit, both closed and open source. Just let the better software win.
That would attract all developers from open and proprietary platforms and doom Microsoft faster than any current strategy.
Right now Linux is hostile to closed source and that of course, makes closed source companies hostile to Linux.
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This is the first time I ever heard about that. Pico here means the beak of a bird. Or the spout of a bottle.
May be you meant pija (peeha) ?
As much as Firefox 2 sucked big time, Firefox 3 seems to be a very nice browser on their own, being faster than Opera in some tests.
It still lacks some CSS and almost all SVG support though.
If Opera has so many great features so far ahead of everyone else, why is its usage still somewhere around 1% on a good day?
People like you?Seriously, it was because the ad banner they had years ago.
You mean the convenience of IMAP or webmail right?
Doh!
Another Epic Fail for me.
I don't need to use the keyboard to browse the Web unless I'm writing a slashdot response or something like that. Never. That's both more comfortable and faster than having to use both keyboard and mouse because I don't have 3 hands. And that's usability. On Macintosh at least, Opera loved to use its own mutant widgets that looked, but didn't act, like the OS default ones in an infuriating manner. Yes, they use the Qt toolkit that I don't like because it's not really native, instead of wxWidgets that's truly native. But both companies are in the same building, so, fat chance. That's the same thing I hate about flash. Never seen two flash animations having the same scrolling. I feel your pain there. there's still the matter of its costing $$$ when IE and Firefox don't. Opera doesn't cost money to use in the desktop (anymore). And Opera will never cost money again in the desktop. No company is that suicidal. They survive by google search profits, just as firefox does.
100% is pointless, simply because as soon as a browser has enough marketshare, webmasters will code to that browser and fuck the rest. Right now we are in a transition where any coder worth they pay has to code sites compatible with several browsers, at least IE and FF.
However, you have a point about corporate stuff. If firefox doesn't provide compatibility with WSUS, then it's harder to manage in a corporate environment. And by harder I mean impossible.
And that coder that used chrome, should be shot on sight, just like the ones that use ActiveX.
That said, if you ever removed Opera from my computer I would have to go and break your knees with a baseball bat.
That sounds problematic, I sometimes open web pages that are 5MB (or more) of text.
So far only Opera can handle them.
I respectfully and totally disagree with you on Opera usability. To me the others are the ones with crappy usability.
I can't use middle click scrolling with pixel accuracy in the others as I can with Opera.
I can't switch tabs holding the right mouse button and moving the wheel in the others as I can with Opera.
I can't use mouse gestures to reload a page, or duplicate a tab (with full back and forward history), or going to the parent directory of a URL, or minimize or open or close tabs in the other browsers as I can with Opera.
All this features were in Opera in that time period AFAIR. Opera is not perfect, but you saying that it has/had crappy usability is pure bullshit.
So, are they hyping the Tablet Mac?
Not just inertia.
By hiring the best, they also prevent those people from joining the competition.
They are using a very effective method of hurting the competition. Just remember the flying chair.
Meet 'El Orfanato': http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0464141/
It has some twists, but even if you guess all of them in the first five minutes of the film, you will feel the movie.
In fact, it's quite scary/frightening if you're the right kind of person. And, it's better than both 'The Sixth Sense' and 'The Others'.
I support the goals of Greenpeace. But I don't support their methods. They had ridiculous methodology. Probably nothing is as far as the scientific method than what they did.
'I'm lazy so I will only see their web page' is very, very irresponsible when publishing a study. Specially if it will be read by thousands if not millions of people. For a group as big and loud as Greenpeace the cost of a couple laptops should not be an issue.
I mean, Greenpeace praised some companies because those companies had plans published online to do some green stuff in the future, and vilify Apple while Apple was actually doing that green stuff just because it was not published online. Somehow, Greenpeace seems to think that their vaporware reports convinced Apple to start phasing out PVC from their products, when Apple's report clearly states that this has been a work in progress for 12 years. (Emphasis mine) from:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Greenpeace-Thinks-It-Made-Apple-Greener-53917.shtml
Other links:
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/10/16/greenpeace_vs_apple/
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Home/E83D58B3-10E0-4A9C-8847-BCE665EE235C.html
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071128-greenpeaces-green-electronics-guide-undermined-by-minimal-research-effort.html
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Home/ABC6DFDA-9DE9-4EA8-A269-65EAAB628676.html
Only if Greenpeace would speak with truth.
After the Apple issue, I will no longer listen to these zealots on anything regarding electronic technology.
Once a liar, always a liar.
The "whatever its origin" part is actually very important:
Basically, the French did not wanted to see their city destroyed by German tanks in the WW2. So the French goverment left the city and declared Paris an "Open City".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_France#New_German_offensive_and_the_fall_of_Paris
Well, that was posted more like a 'challenge'.
It seems I'm not a very good motivator, after all.
The same way they copied tabs, search history in the address bar, mouse gestures, etc. They have no shortage of developers you know.
You seem to believe that 'copy' can only mean 'copy & paste', and that has been proven false since Compaq vs. IBM about 30 years ago.
AFAIK FF3 will have the best memory management of any browser.
I would be using this RC1 if I were you.
That's your opinion. A perfectly valid one.
In my case I prefer to use some software that has been working perfectly fine for years and has been extensively copied in almost all features by others.
And by copied, I don't mean perfect copies. Mouse gestures in FF still sucks after you have used Opera mouse gestures for more than a week. And middle-button scrolling. All others have middle-button scrolling, but I just can't have pixel perfect accuracy with FF as I can with Opera. You see, you talk about hypothetic stuff (but valid, nonetheless) and I talk about actual experience (because all else is not really equal).
Having said that, I expect that FF copies Opera excellent SVG support as soon as possible.
Bah, what the OSS movement should have provided is an open platform where every software maker could compete just on merit, both closed and open source. Just let the better software win.
That would attract all developers from open and proprietary platforms and doom Microsoft faster than any current strategy.
Right now Linux is hostile to closed source and that of course, makes closed source companies hostile to Linux.
I can make and sell closed source software for OSX, with a single binary that runs on all recent versions.
I can't do that in Linux and probably never will. So I don't develop anything for Linux.
I'm sure a lot of software developers (that make a living writing code) agree with me.
Ohh the license.
In that case, yes, the difference between them is smaller, you can't legally use any of them (DX in linux or full WinXP from TPB).