If someone say "BTW I use Gentoo and I think it's great", he's a "vocal idiot". If that same person said "BTW I use Mandrake and I think it's great, no-one would flame him.
You've built a straw-man here. The people I'm complaining about, and that the Translate-o-matic is referring to are the people who don't just say "I like Gentoo, I think it's great". The complaint is against the Gentoo users who, quoting the ToM: "absolutely MUST advocate Gentoo at every opportunity, no matter how off topic." These same people also seem to have a problem looking at their distribution with any serious objectivity - in this case, someone said that Gentoo was somehow a "no-brainer" for Linux users to all switch to. If someone had said that Mandrake (or Red Hat, my own preferred distro) was a "no-brainer" for all Linux installs, I would have flamed him, too. The difference is, the number of users from other distros that do this, vs the number of Gentoo users is vastly skewed, thus Gentoo takes the brunt of the flames.
To me, it seems that the anti-Gentoo idiots feel the need to defend their choice of Linux. They feel that Gentoo is somehow threatening to the status quo, and therefore it and it's user should be flamed.
Translation: (to quote the Translate-o-matic) "Let's face it, Gentoo is the future"
(sorry, couldn't help myself.) I would submit that rather it is you who feel threatened, because you know the truth to what is being said. Conversely, I'm not threatened by Gentoo, just annoyed by the current round of zealots who seem to think that it's somehow vastly superior to the other distros, or that it's right for everyone and everything. As the ToM says: "Gentoo Linux is an interesting new distribution with some great features." This certainly seems true, and for users who absolutely crave the very latest bleeding edge at all times, it certainly seems like the way to go, but until the community self-regulates (ie: the smart Gentoo users cluestick the idiots among your users), the ToM will continue to contain truth, and thus continue to be relevant and funny.;)
This is getting ridiculous. Maybe it's time for OpenSSH development to completely halt for the moment, and do some serious auditing? This is just plain sad... I know people have been joking about switching to lsh, but at a current "score" of 3 to 1, I'm starting to consider it, at least for the time being...:-/
heh, I have no idea. I personally can't stand any of the BSDs, but some people claim they're "more stable" or something. It's really more just a matter of preference for the fine nerdy details of a BSD unix over a SysV unix or the GNU tools.
The deal is that Amiga WAS superior... years ago. Some people just never got over the fact that Amiga never really made it.
I'm in the same boat as you, I honestly have no idea why people still use them as their main computers. Having one for nostalgia, sure, but as a main PC? What's the attraction over Linux, FreeBSD, Windows, or Apple??
The analysis presented leads us to one conclusion: use Lame 128. It's strictly better than all other options. Do not use FhG MP3. Easy.
If you're willing to slip to 4th best encoder, then consider Ogg Vorbis. 4TH BEST. That's hardly the rosey picture painted in the article.
Orrr..... you could use Ogg at 128kbps, which would be an apples-to-apples comparison, one in which Ogg (or AAC, for that matter) would surely come out on top.
I would like to extend my apologies to the Linux community for setting off the Gentoo people.
As part of the non-Genotoo-using Linux public, I declare you forgiven, since you could say something as completely unrelated to software as "Man, I love a good cheeseburger!", and at least one of the Gentoo peanut gallery will pipe up about Portage or "faster performance". It's a shame, since naturally most Gentoo users aren't this silly, but they sure have some of the most vocal idiots.
It's that time again, folks, since it's apparently a "no-brainer" now to choose Gentoo over Red Hat (or any other distro). Yes, it's time for another link to... the Amazing Gentoo-Linux-Zealot Translate-o-matic!
it's really more a matter of preference for many things these days. The apps are the same - Samba, Apache, postfix, GNOME, KDE, etc. They run great on Linux, and they run great on FreeBSD (and the other BSDs, I assume, I just haven't tried them pesonally). I can't stand the BSD toolchain, others love it. I think GNU rocks, some people loathe it. So be it! "Let one thousand flowers bloom" and all that - it's all Free Software, so we can live and let live.
Thus, Linux is for people who like Linux, *BSD is for people who prefer *BSD.
And in the next Windows article, people will bitch about how much of a system hog XP is. I was running XP on 64MB of RAM last year just fine.
Bah, I declare shenanigans on your bullshit.
First, there's no WAY you were running Windows XP "just fine" on 64MB. No modern OS, be it Linux, FreeBSD, or Windows XP, can run with a full graphical interface and still be "just fine" on 64MB of RAM.
Second, Slashdot can't have "double standards", because we are not, in fact, a collective. Slashdot is a diverse community, with varying opinions. Many people on/. love Linux, others dig BSD, some even really cherish Windows. There is no single "standard" opinion on any of these, thus, a "double-standard" is impossible.
Maybe if the WM's would design some sort of common application interface so things would look right on all the WM's that confirmed to the standard then we'd see a lot more x-compatibility in those applications.
Well, we'll effectively never see the the merging of GTK and Qt, but KDE and GNOME are sharing more and more desktop specifications these days, thanks to projects like FreeDesktop.org!
As for browsers/file managers, GNOME does this right, IMHO, by keeping your web browser and your file manager separate (as Epiphany and Nautilus, respectively). The two tasks have very little to do with one another, so using the very same program for both is foolish, IMHO. It would be a tremendous boon for KDE to develop a discrete shell for KHTML that did *just* web browsing...
Yeah, well, some of us live in the US, where we like to Let the Market Decide(TM), and we apparently Decided to get Screwed with crap like CDMA instead of the pre-existing global fucking standard of GSM. Hooray for free market capitalism!:-P
This is a really level-headed, well played move on LJ's part - primarily because they're following the universal principle of assuming stupidity before malice.;)
OpenOffice: I'd hardly call the OO.o KPart a "port":P Come back to me when you show me a full OO.o Writer window that uses native Qt widgets.
Mplayer is skanky. All the cool kids use Totem anyhow, which has an extremely capable Xine backend.:)
XMMS is equally skanky. RhythmBox totally owns its sorry ass.
Mozilla* - another crusty, crufty, nasty app. Epiphany and Galeon are far better browsers, but with Gecko's rendering power.
*(I mean Mozilla-proper here - Firebird is very nice, though Epiphany and Galeon are still better, IMHO)
As for Gaim, it does more than just AOL - Gaim speaks AIM, ICQ, MSN, IRC, Yahoo, Jabber, and even some weirdo protocols like Gadu-Gadu and Zephyr. It's even cross-platform!
You're forgetting a bunch of other good GTK apps, too:
Evolution, gThumb, GnomeMeeting, Sound Juicer, Camorama, and more.
Both GTK and Qt camps have great apps on their side - this bickering is stupid, especially when one can run apps from one environment inside the other just fine. (Especially thanks to freedesktop.org! Wahoo!)
Jabber's "transport" system is interesting, but client-side support is the only way to get a truly transparent conversion. Go get Gaim - it speaks ICQ, AIM, Jabber, MSN, and Yahoo, all natively!:)
It's difficult sometimes, but this is yet another reason that anyone who can, should move to Jabber posthaste.
The realm of those who "can" (ie: people that are able to leave their current instant messenger for something like Jabber) has gone from very slim to very wide, thanks to Gaim - Gaim is a hell of an IM client, and it provides a great bridge from the current proprietary world of IM, to the way it ought to be - decentralized, and based on open standards, just like email is now. Imagine if email wasn't a universal, open standard, like it is now [insert stupid spam joke here] - imagine what an open IM standard could do for IM's usefulness...
1) Red Hat Linux is only being discontinued as a retail product. It will continue to be released indefinitely, since it is the testbed for their Enterprise version, as well as being a great way to keep building the community
2) Yeah, you can't redistribute anything with their trademarks for commercial use, that's true. Maybe you should talk to them about obtaining a license for using their trademarks?
Have you evaluated the cost of moving to the supported versions of SuSE, etc? What's the cost there? How does it compare to Red Hat?
Also, if you find you don't need support, then why use the "enterprise" editions at all?
Finally, what'd be the total cost of moving to Windows? Probably a lot more than $350k, I'd wager. It sucks, but it's probably just time to pay the piper, or deal with supporting yourself... that's just how the market is. RH have to make a profit somehow.
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You've built a straw-man here. The people I'm complaining about, and that the Translate-o-matic is referring to are the people who don't just say "I like Gentoo, I think it's great". The complaint is against the Gentoo users who, quoting the ToM: "absolutely MUST advocate Gentoo at every opportunity, no matter how off topic." These same people also seem to have a problem looking at their distribution with any serious objectivity - in this case, someone said that Gentoo was somehow a "no-brainer" for Linux users to all switch to. If someone had said that Mandrake (or Red Hat, my own preferred distro) was a "no-brainer" for all Linux installs, I would have flamed him, too. The difference is, the number of users from other distros that do this, vs the number of Gentoo users is vastly skewed, thus Gentoo takes the brunt of the flames.
Translation: (to quote the Translate-o-matic) "Let's face it, Gentoo is the future"
(sorry, couldn't help myself.) I would submit that rather it is you who feel threatened, because you know the truth to what is being said. Conversely, I'm not threatened by Gentoo, just annoyed by the current round of zealots who seem to think that it's somehow vastly superior to the other distros, or that it's right for everyone and everything. As the ToM says: "Gentoo Linux is an interesting new distribution with some great features." This certainly seems true, and for users who absolutely crave the very latest bleeding edge at all times, it certainly seems like the way to go, but until the community self-regulates (ie: the smart Gentoo users cluestick the idiots among your users), the ToM will continue to contain truth, and thus continue to be relevant and funny. ;)
This is getting ridiculous. Maybe it's time for OpenSSH development to completely halt for the moment, and do some serious auditing? This is just plain sad... I know people have been joking about switching to lsh, but at a current "score" of 3 to 1, I'm starting to consider it, at least for the time being... :-/
heh, I have no idea. I personally can't stand any of the BSDs, but some people claim they're "more stable" or something. It's really more just a matter of preference for the fine nerdy details of a BSD unix over a SysV unix or the GNU tools.
The deal is that Amiga WAS superior... years ago. Some people just never got over the fact that Amiga never really made it.
I'm in the same boat as you, I honestly have no idea why people still use them as their main computers. Having one for nostalgia, sure, but as a main PC? What's the attraction over Linux, FreeBSD, Windows, or Apple??
Orrr..... you could use Ogg at 128kbps, which would be an apples-to-apples comparison, one in which Ogg (or AAC, for that matter) would surely come out on top.
YES! Audio-cock!
As part of the non-Genotoo-using Linux public, I declare you forgiven, since you could say something as completely unrelated to software as "Man, I love a good cheeseburger!", and at least one of the Gentoo peanut gallery will pipe up about Portage or "faster performance". It's a shame, since naturally most Gentoo users aren't this silly, but they sure have some of the most vocal idiots.
It's that time again, folks, since it's apparently a "no-brainer" now to choose Gentoo over Red Hat (or any other distro). Yes, it's time for another link to... the Amazing Gentoo-Linux-Zealot Translate-o-matic!
Any idea why it's missing all this stuff? I mean, Knoppix has TCP/IP tools, etc, so why doesn't Gnoppix?
Heh... much as the troll in me would agree...
it's really more a matter of preference for many things these days. The apps are the same - Samba, Apache, postfix, GNOME, KDE, etc. They run great on Linux, and they run great on FreeBSD (and the other BSDs, I assume, I just haven't tried them pesonally). I can't stand the BSD toolchain, others love it. I think GNU rocks, some people loathe it. So be it! "Let one thousand flowers bloom" and all that - it's all Free Software, so we can live and let live.
Thus, Linux is for people who like Linux, *BSD is for people who prefer *BSD.
Bah, I declare shenanigans on your bullshit.
First, there's no WAY you were running Windows XP "just fine" on 64MB. No modern OS, be it Linux, FreeBSD, or Windows XP, can run with a full graphical interface and still be "just fine" on 64MB of RAM.
Second, Slashdot can't have "double standards", because we are not, in fact, a collective. Slashdot is a diverse community, with varying opinions. Many people on /. love Linux, others dig BSD, some even really cherish Windows. There is no single "standard" opinion on any of these, thus, a "double-standard" is impossible.
Argh. Well, looks like it's time for another Obligatory Reference to the Amazing Gentoo-Linux-Zealot Translate-o-matic!
Well, we'll effectively never see the the merging of GTK and Qt, but KDE and GNOME are sharing more and more desktop specifications these days, thanks to projects like FreeDesktop.org!
As for browsers/file managers, GNOME does this right, IMHO, by keeping your web browser and your file manager separate (as Epiphany and Nautilus, respectively). The two tasks have very little to do with one another, so using the very same program for both is foolish, IMHO. It would be a tremendous boon for KDE to develop a discrete shell for KHTML that did *just* web browsing...
Yeah, well, some of us live in the US, where we like to Let the Market Decide(TM), and we apparently Decided to get Screwed with crap like CDMA instead of the pre-existing global fucking standard of GSM. Hooray for free market capitalism! :-P
Thank you, Anon Coward! I never knew their was a specific name for that idea!
This is a really level-headed, well played move on LJ's part - primarily because they're following the universal principle of assuming stupidity before malice. ;)
The new file selector actually comes with GTK 2.4! Thank God, too! I can't wait for this to get finished so people stop fucking bitching about it. ;)
Your rebuttle needs a rebuttle.
:P Come back to me when you show me a full OO.o Writer window that uses native Qt widgets.
:)
OpenOffice: I'd hardly call the OO.o KPart a "port"
Mplayer is skanky. All the cool kids use Totem anyhow, which has an extremely capable Xine backend.
XMMS is equally skanky. RhythmBox totally owns its sorry ass.
Mozilla* - another crusty, crufty, nasty app. Epiphany and Galeon are far better browsers, but with Gecko's rendering power.
*(I mean Mozilla-proper here - Firebird is very nice, though Epiphany and Galeon are still better, IMHO)
As for Gaim, it does more than just AOL - Gaim speaks AIM, ICQ, MSN, IRC, Yahoo, Jabber, and even some weirdo protocols like Gadu-Gadu and Zephyr. It's even cross-platform!
You're forgetting a bunch of other good GTK apps, too:
Evolution, gThumb, GnomeMeeting, Sound Juicer, Camorama, and more.
Both GTK and Qt camps have great apps on their side - this bickering is stupid, especially when one can run apps from one environment inside the other just fine. (Especially thanks to freedesktop.org! Wahoo!)
This is actually pushed in GNOME, and is part of the GNOME HIG (Human Interface Guidelines)!
Jabber's "transport" system is interesting, but client-side support is the only way to get a truly transparent conversion. Go get Gaim - it speaks ICQ, AIM, Jabber, MSN, and Yahoo, all natively! :)
No one says MS isn't allowed to do this. It just shows once again that they're interested soley in profit via tight control of a market...
This is one part of the net they don't yet have majority control of - let's keep it that way?
It's difficult sometimes, but this is yet another reason that anyone who can, should move to Jabber posthaste.
The realm of those who "can" (ie: people that are able to leave their current instant messenger for something like Jabber) has gone from very slim to very wide, thanks to Gaim - Gaim is a hell of an IM client, and it provides a great bridge from the current proprietary world of IM, to the way it ought to be - decentralized, and based on open standards, just like email is now. Imagine if email wasn't a universal, open standard, like it is now [insert stupid spam joke here] - imagine what an open IM standard could do for IM's usefulness...
ok...
1) Red Hat Linux is only being discontinued as a retail product. It will continue to be released indefinitely, since it is the testbed for their Enterprise version, as well as being a great way to keep building the community
2) Yeah, you can't redistribute anything with their trademarks for commercial use, that's true. Maybe you should talk to them about obtaining a license for using their trademarks?
Mod parent up - the grandparent is a misinformed idiot.
Have you evaluated the cost of moving to the supported versions of SuSE, etc? What's the cost there? How does it compare to Red Hat?
Also, if you find you don't need support, then why use the "enterprise" editions at all?
Finally, what'd be the total cost of moving to Windows? Probably a lot more than $350k, I'd wager. It sucks, but it's probably just time to pay the piper, or deal with supporting yourself... that's just how the market is. RH have to make a profit somehow.