Ugh. We are free you moron. Just because you aren't legally allowed to pirate all the intellectual property under the sun does not mean aren't free. Just what exactly would you like to do that you think an American isn't allowed to do, other than what I've already stated?
So you need to sound pedantic to not sound like a dork? I know he made more than the kernel. Thats besides the point however, yet something pedantic geeks never seem to comprehend.
Its the year 2002 not 1998. Simply having Mr. Torvalds working for Sony would not revolutionize the company leading to greater products/marketshare or whatever. He's not a product guy. He's just a guy who made a free kernel. Thats all. He's not equal to Gates in any way shape or form. While they were both programmers, Gates eventually transcended that limited capability to become one of the world's greatest and most successful businesmen. His products brought cheap computing to the masses. (Yes, they did. Apple would charge you, and continues to charge you an arm and a leg for less and MS and Apple are the only ones who were capable and serious of brining desktop computing to the masses at the time).
How would employing Linux benefit Sony? Your ideas sound like another one of those horrible scribbled on a napkin business plans that dotted the dot.com landscape so many years ago. 1. Hire Linus 2. ?????? 3. Profit!
P.S. No, Gates no longer programs himself. Its also pretty frickin irrelevant. Larry Ellison was a programmer as well. I doubt he commited one line of code for the latest Oracle DB. Gates and those like him are multi-dimensional. They realize there's more to the world than simply banging out code. I don't think Mr. Torvalds, or his many blindly following minons realize that.
Those days are still very much here. There's more to installing than just installing the OS itself. I myself run OS X, FreeBSD, Mandrake and XP Pro. Just because Mandrake goes on easy doesn't mean its smooth sailing from there. Windows still has an awesome uninstall feature that makes installing and uninstalling software brain dead simple. Care to explain to the regular user how to uninstall a Linux app that uses its own custom install script?
So things like common applications that exist on Windows would NOT be in your list of "big things keeping linux off the desktop"? Or how about a large installed base of people/neighbors/co-workers knowledgeable in Linux systems so you don't have to hire a consultant to install/uninstall your own software? Then there's the whole ease of use thing, as in Linux is easy to use for geeks, and people with geeks in their families have a somewhat easier time with it, but what about everyone else?
I was just wondering, why do you assume your life of marriage and fatherhood is more fullfilling than other people's lifestyles? Are you basing this on any sort of qualitative information/data or do you simply like to spout off smugly?
I believe its the overwhelming hordes of continuing Windows and Mac users who say with every daily use of a proprietary operating system that desktop Linux is dead.
Maybe the folks who write about the software just have higher financial expectations than those who simply write the software? I mean the coders seem to be the ones all caught up in the "movement" so they're much more likely to be satisifed with making less money. I know plenty who would be satisifed if all they could spend all their time working on free software even if it meant they had to live in a tiny apartment and live off of pizza. That doesn't mean everyone else has to be satisified with that kind of lifestyle does it?
My phone was $99 with a mail in rebate. The phone part of this particular phone is awesome. Maybe you've heard about the other Palm/Cell combos such as the Handspring Treo units or the Samsung units. THEY'RE the ones that have the poor integration and phone performance. The Kyocera units are awesome in every regard. The integration between cellphone and PDA is 100%. If I thumb thru my contact list and want to send an email to one of my contacts it tells me to open the flip so that I can use the Eudora mail client.
My leather clip case only cost $24. It came with a synch cradle. The next version of the phone weighs 6-7 ounces, has a color screen, built in MP3 player and a memory card slot. The screen is a bit smaller than a regular PDA but thats not really a problem for me. Other than that this phone has no compromises. Kyocera actually knows what they're doing.
I have a Kyocera Smartphone which is also a Palm Pilot. It has about 5 hours of talk time and 100 hours of standby time. It also has an extra battery for the PDA that keeps the PDA going for 1 day after the cell phone battery dies. But really, if you can't remember to plug in your phone each night you've got problems. But since its also a PDA why not just set an alarm/apointment to remind you to plug it in everynight!?!?!
And yes you can synch it with a PC, via cable or infra red port.
http://www.kyocera-wireless.com/kysmart/kysmart_ se ries.htm --- What I have
http://www.kyocera-wireless.com/showroom/showcas e/ coming_soon.htm --- The upgraded model of mine which I lust over
What kind of fucked up worldview do you have where its a case of "putting aside their principles to ask for money"? They need money to live you stupid fuck. Where was it written that you must live in near poverty in order to have anything to do with the "community"?
The "code" is NOT the only thing that matters. Not if people have to waste their lives while writting it and or supporting it and yes thats what sites like LWN do, they support the code. Those who write it and those who use it. But you couldn't possibly see anything beyond your own myopic command line, things like bills, kids, retirement savings, college savings fro the kids.......etc. No. All of that adds up to "putting aside their principles to ask for money" to you. Nevermind that after the money is split amongst all the people working at the site that they only take home about $36k tops each. Ohhhhh thats SOOOOO much money!
I hope you'll discover the whole wide world thats out there someday before you get too old. There's more to life than code, and causes more noble then creating free software.
Thats an incredibly fucked up thing you just said. I mean is it absolutely MANDATED that ANYONE who has ANYTHING to do with the open source community must make do with meager wages? WTF is wrong with Rusty making $70k a year? You even said yourself that it includes expenses so you KNOW he's not taking home the entire $70k.
Maybe he might want to save for his retirement? Maybe he's married or thinking of getting married? Maybe he might want to save up for his kids or future kids college education? WTF are you gonna do that on $36k a year? Maybe he wants more at the end of his life then just grattitude from a "community" that has little to no grasp on issues beyond the keyboard, such as finances? Living frugally. Fuck. You should be lucky Rusty wants to do what he does period. Especially with jerks like you in the audience.
If the LWN staff is fine living with $36k per year, more power to them. I just hope they run into more appreciative readers than Rusty obviously has. Shit if the man wants to drive a Porche and live in a Manhattan condo and K5 makes that possible for him then MORE POWER TO HIM! Fuck the open source, free EVERYTHING losers who want enterprising individuals or groups of people to live in near poverty as long as they are faithful to the "cause". Run a website that contributes to the community? Great! You just better not ever try to make a lot of money or the community will turn on you like a rabid pack of dogs for the sacrilege and blasphemy of doing well!!!!!
I don't have any debt. I have significant savings and income. I'm wealthy.
I don't know what you mean about "buying into the lies".
I simply thought capitalism was about buying the services and or products that you desire and think are at a reasonable price. Thats just what I do. I buy what I need or what makes me happy. For this I am to be yelled at?
Of course you are assuming that only those with a so-called "passion" for computers are the best at working in the IT industry. All those money seeking greedy bastards must be incompetent after all....
A few nights ago I wanted to synch my Palm Pilot to my Dell laptop via the infra-red port. For some reason it wasn't working. I called Dell's tech support. They have an awesome system. Underneath each Dell computer is a service number that has the entire system's history in it with concerns to repairs/features....etc. So anyways, I get their Indian call center. It was awesome. They knew exactly what the problem was (the port wasn't turned on in the weird Dell bios) and knew how to tell me to turn it on in very simple steps. In addition to that they have email tech support that responded in about 15 hours. They were also very courteous and knowledgeable.
Now I know that that call center probably displaced some American jobs, but it at least allows Dell Computer to maintain high levels of service excellence in addition to high levels of marketplace performance, stock value and marketshare.
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Ugh. We are free you moron. Just because you aren't legally allowed to pirate all the intellectual property under the sun does not mean aren't free. Just what exactly would you like to do that you think an American isn't allowed to do, other than what I've already stated?
What if you enjoy the value system that TV gives you?
So you need to sound pedantic to not sound like a dork? I know he made more than the kernel. Thats besides the point however, yet something pedantic geeks never seem to comprehend.
What regular user would have been able to install Debian in the first place?
Its the year 2002 not 1998. Simply having Mr. Torvalds working for Sony would not revolutionize the company leading to greater products/marketshare or whatever. He's not a product guy. He's just a guy who made a free kernel. Thats all. He's not equal to Gates in any way shape or form. While they were both programmers, Gates eventually transcended that limited capability to become one of the world's greatest and most successful businesmen. His products brought cheap computing to the masses. (Yes, they did. Apple would charge you, and continues to charge you an arm and a leg for less and MS and Apple are the only ones who were capable and serious of brining desktop computing to the masses at the time).
How would employing Linux benefit Sony? Your ideas sound like another one of those horrible scribbled on a napkin business plans that dotted the dot.com landscape so many years ago.
1. Hire Linus
2. ??????
3. Profit!
P.S. No, Gates no longer programs himself. Its also pretty frickin irrelevant. Larry Ellison was a programmer as well. I doubt he commited one line of code for the latest Oracle DB. Gates and those like him are multi-dimensional. They realize there's more to the world than simply banging out code. I don't think Mr. Torvalds, or his many blindly following minons realize that.
Yeah cause Linus appreciates you so much as an individual user. Him knowing you personally and all.
Those days are still very much here. There's more to installing than just installing the OS itself. I myself run OS X, FreeBSD, Mandrake and XP Pro. Just because Mandrake goes on easy doesn't mean its smooth sailing from there. Windows still has an awesome uninstall feature that makes installing and uninstalling software brain dead simple. Care to explain to the regular user how to uninstall a Linux app that uses its own custom install script?
Whats it like to feel like you are morally superior when you actually aren't, on an issue most folks couldn't give two shits about?
So things like common applications that exist on Windows would NOT be in your list of "big things keeping linux off the desktop"? Or how about a large installed base of people/neighbors/co-workers knowledgeable in Linux systems so you don't have to hire a consultant to install/uninstall your own software?
Then there's the whole ease of use thing, as in Linux is easy to use for geeks, and people with geeks in their families have a somewhat easier time with it, but what about everyone else?
Hey man. I'm posting this from work. Tell all the folks in #freebsd I said "sup".
Anyways, you do realize that there's more costs and expenses in running a telecommunications company than just the cost of the T1 lines right?
I mean all these telcos aren't going out of business for no reason....
I was just wondering, why do you assume your life of marriage and fatherhood is more fullfilling than other people's lifestyles? Are you basing this on any sort of qualitative information/data or do you simply like to spout off smugly?
Even fewer cared.....
I believe its the overwhelming hordes of continuing Windows and Mac users who say with every daily use of a proprietary operating system that desktop Linux is dead.
Maybe the folks who write about the software just have higher financial expectations than those who simply write the software? I mean the coders seem to be the ones all caught up in the "movement" so they're much more likely to be satisifed with making less money. I know plenty who would be satisifed if all they could spend all their time working on free software even if it meant they had to live in a tiny apartment and live off of pizza. That doesn't mean everyone else has to be satisified with that kind of lifestyle does it?
My phone was $99 with a mail in rebate. The phone part of this particular phone is awesome. Maybe you've heard about the other Palm/Cell combos such as the Handspring Treo units or the Samsung units. THEY'RE the ones that have the poor integration and phone performance. The Kyocera units are awesome in every regard. The integration between cellphone and PDA is 100%. If I thumb thru my contact list and want to send an email to one of my contacts it tells me to open the flip so that I can use the Eudora mail client.
My leather clip case only cost $24. It came with a synch cradle. The next version of the phone weighs 6-7 ounces, has a color screen, built in MP3 player and a memory card slot. The screen is a bit smaller than a regular PDA but thats not really a problem for me. Other than that this phone has no compromises. Kyocera actually knows what they're doing.
I have a Kyocera Smartphone which is also a Palm Pilot. It has about 5 hours of talk time and 100 hours of standby time. It also has an extra battery for the PDA that keeps the PDA going for 1 day after the cell phone battery dies. But really, if you can't remember to plug in your phone each night you've got problems. But since its also a PDA why not just set an alarm/apointment to remind you to plug it in everynight!?!?!
_ se ries.htm --- What I have
s e/ coming_soon.htm --- The upgraded model of mine which I lust over
And yes you can synch it with a PC, via cable or infra red port.
http://www.kyocera-wireless.com/kysmart/kysmart
http://www.kyocera-wireless.com/showroom/showca
They aren't winning much with the higher rates of unemployment over there.
What kind of fucked up worldview do you have where its a case of "putting aside their principles to ask for money"? They need money to live you stupid fuck. Where was it written that you must live in near poverty in order to have anything to do with the "community"?
The "code" is NOT the only thing that matters. Not if people have to waste their lives while writting it and or supporting it and yes thats what sites like LWN do, they support the code. Those who write it and those who use it. But you couldn't possibly see anything beyond your own myopic command line, things like bills, kids, retirement savings, college savings fro the kids.......etc. No. All of that adds up to "putting aside their principles to ask for money" to you. Nevermind that after the money is split amongst all the people working at the site that they only take home about $36k tops each. Ohhhhh thats SOOOOO much money!
I hope you'll discover the whole wide world thats out there someday before you get too old. There's more to life than code, and causes more noble then creating free software.
You DO know that that $12k per month is divided at least 5 ways right? As in there's more than one person who works on the site....
You DO know that that $12k per month is divided at least 5 ways right?
Thats an incredibly fucked up thing you just said. I mean is it absolutely MANDATED that ANYONE who has ANYTHING to do with the open source community must make do with meager wages? WTF is wrong with Rusty making $70k a year? You even said yourself that it includes expenses so you KNOW he's not taking home the entire $70k.
Maybe he might want to save for his retirement? Maybe he's married or thinking of getting married? Maybe he might want to save up for his kids or future kids college education? WTF are you gonna do that on $36k a year? Maybe he wants more at the end of his life then just grattitude from a "community" that has little to no grasp on issues beyond the keyboard, such as finances? Living frugally. Fuck. You should be lucky Rusty wants to do what he does period. Especially with jerks like you in the audience.
If the LWN staff is fine living with $36k per year, more power to them. I just hope they run into more appreciative readers than Rusty obviously has. Shit if the man wants to drive a Porche and live in a Manhattan condo and K5 makes that possible for him then MORE POWER TO HIM! Fuck the open source, free EVERYTHING losers who want enterprising individuals or groups of people to live in near poverty as long as they are faithful to the "cause". Run a website that contributes to the community? Great! You just better not ever try to make a lot of money or the community will turn on you like a rabid pack of dogs for the sacrilege and blasphemy of doing well!!!!!
Yes it is.
I don't have any debt. I have significant savings and income. I'm wealthy.
I don't know what you mean about "buying into the lies".
I simply thought capitalism was about buying the services and or products that you desire and think are at a reasonable price. Thats just what I do. I buy what I need or what makes me happy. For this I am to be yelled at?
Of course you are assuming that only those with a so-called "passion" for computers are the best at working in the IT industry. All those money seeking greedy bastards must be incompetent after all....
A few nights ago I wanted to synch my Palm Pilot to my Dell laptop via the infra-red port. For some reason it wasn't working. I called Dell's tech support. They have an awesome system. Underneath each Dell computer is a service number that has the entire system's history in it with concerns to repairs/features....etc. So anyways, I get their Indian call center. It was awesome. They knew exactly what the problem was (the port wasn't turned on in the weird Dell bios) and knew how to tell me to turn it on in very simple steps. In addition to that they have email tech support that responded in about 15 hours. They were also very courteous and knowledgeable.
Now I know that that call center probably displaced some American jobs, but it at least allows Dell Computer to maintain high levels of service excellence in addition to high levels of marketplace performance, stock value and marketshare.