I love this discussion. Two people, looking at their country falling apart, never holding their elected representatives responsible, only blaming their opposition for the problems.
Look, if you want results stop blaming the other party. It serves no productive purpose. If you want to remain partisan, against all reason and better judgement, fine, do that. But instead of attacking the other party, hold your own party accountable for what they do and don't do.
Look at all the problems of our country as the responsibility of the American people. We as a people, a whole, are responsible for the politicians we field. We, as a people, are responsible for the laws that are created. We are all responsible for the laws that don't get enforced, or are selectively enforced. We, as a whole people are responsible for the fate of our country.
You can go round and round talking about who did what forever. It doesn't get anything done now and it completely obscures your vision as to what to do to fix the problems going forward. You can't plan for the future when you are consumed with the past. It just doesn't work.
Your elected officials love to fan the flames of inter-party angst and rage. Don't fall for it. It's a mental trap that leads you nowhere. Their entire platform is designed to fracture the American public into factions and set them at each others throats. Divide and conquer is the only reason for the two party system.
The first time I heard the phrase "Information Age" I immediately saw it for what it was. This is, and has been, the "Age of Bullshit."
Nothing is true. Truth is merely a basis for intentional misinformation designed to hoodwink the unwary, manipulate those with an agenda, and leave a record of soft lies that will confuse and befuddle researchers in the future when they try to discern what really happened in the past.
It's kind of like contemporaneous revisionism is the new standard.
For me it has little to do with privacy and a lot to do with engineered stimulus response loops and habit manipulation.
Articles like the one I will link at the end of this post will give you a small idea about how people are trying to create incisive stimulus/response situations which result in cascades of behavior changes.
I would rather not participate in this kind of manipulation. It is one reason why I quit Facebook. It will also similarly reduce my internet usage at home. The last thing I want is to provide these Pavlovian marketeers with the data they need to sell us back our own asses. No thank you.
Because anyone who is proficient with the metric system will not have any problem with this conversion and not even notice it. This is the fun part about the metric system. Yards to feet is a clumsy factor of three. With metrics you just move the decimal a tad.
If this is becoming too difficulty for people I really do hope we go the way of the dinosaurs.
Perhaps even more amazing, consider the catastrophic bad luck that befell the planet's dominant life form, and allowed our kind a window in which to proliferate.
There have been 5 major extinction events we know of, and at least 20 minor ones we know of, in the last 600 million years or so.
That is decidedly not "catastrophic bad luck." More like clockwork.
Extinction is sad, but only like death is sad. Something that is one of a kind is now gone forever. A gentle reminder that nothing is permanent, hopefully preparing you for your own eventual demise. Life, in a collective sense of the word, is a process larger than individual cells, organisms, or even species. Extinction does not eliminate Life, it enables it to transform.
It is natural, predictable, inevitable. A necessity as well. Humans would not be here to observe and record extinct species if it were not for previous extinctions.
It has been happening since life began, it will continue when mankind is gone. You can view it as a loss, or you can take it as another step along the pathway of Life and celebrate it for what it is.
Sorry AutodidactLabrat. I should have seen the signs early on and not pursued a conversation with you. Nor should I have been so inflammatory. I ask your forgiveness, for what it is worth.
I see that we do not have intersecting intellects. I cannot speak to your worldview, but I can discern that it is completely and irrevocably alien to me. There is no fruit in discussing details with you when basic suppositions of the conversation, and even reality, are not held in common. Where there is no commonality there can be no discussion.
Please allow me to say this in closing that I appreciate your verve and fire. I see your energy and intensity. It comes through even this narrow aperture, a keyboard conversation. Not an easy accomplishment. I would give my right arm for 10 men with your passion who were as dedicated to the American people as you are to your politics. Unfortunately men like that are in short supply. We certainly won't find them in our government (well maybe with maybe the exception of dear St. Bernie) and the insidious trap of partisanship conscripts, corrupts, and devours the rest of the candidates from the electorate. Probably just as well that so many remain regimented, expressing their prescribed 15 minutes of hate each and every day at their designated and accepted out-group, regurgitating their force-fed outrage only within the proper boundaries. What a small group of dedicated, free-minded men can accomplish is well documented and frankly shocking.
I have heard of these "peace treaties." That's the part where your enemy rebuilds their logistical infrastructure, buys more arms, and recruits more militants, right?
And kill citizens in exchange for tax revenue. Really, short yellow lights do kill people. Municipal governments know this and some of them still shorten the lights beyond the acceptable range as dictated by DOT engineering standards.
In my opinion we should be able to draw and quarter the people responsible for intentionally turning human misery and death into tax revenue.
Sorry, I am otherwise occupied trying to herd US citizens into realizing what the real threats to us are. Here's a hint, it ain't the great Russian smokescreen.
It's people like you who are so convinced that partisan politics is an all or nothing, us or them situation that you are willing to create lies in your mind to support your position and get enraged about non-issues because you have tied your ego to the belief center of your brain and completely bypassed the logic circuits.
Case in point. My number one concern is for the health, well being, and viability of every American citizen. You call that concern traitorous for some inscrutable reason. You keep attributing partisan political motivations to me when I have never taken a stand for a political "side," only pointed out how someone was incredibly wrong about the availability of emails. That is not indicative of the actions of a logical person. Those are the thoughts of a compromised mind.
Did you even read what I wrote, or are you again interjecting your own thoughts? I can play play that game too you know.
I said I am in opposition to our government on many things, and firmly in favor of the people of the US. You call that being a traitor, fine. Therefore, as a non-traitor yourself, you must support 100% of what our government is doing, eh? Well then, that would make you a Trump supporter, and a bigly one at that! Well, if supporting our government in everything they do and kowtowing to Trump is your thing, keep it up patriot! I will oppose you and you can call me a traitor all you want.
You like the idea of rampant corporatism, encroaching fascism, and deliberate misrepresentation of the electorate. I get it. You're too stupid to realize that our government, both "parties" as you call them, are nothing more than the new aristocracy, completely dedicated to their own causes which are vastly different than the interests of their constituents and even their supporters. I get that too. You want to support your "side," but you don't realize that your "side" doesn't support you and is acting against your interests as a citizen. I get that as well. But just because you are committed to the same subjugation and exploitation of the US people as our leaders doesn't mean that I won't try to talk you out of being a self destructive robot dedicated to taking all of us down with you. Again, call me a traitor all you want, I will wear your stupid label as a badge of pride.
I see your reading comprehension level is way below the material presented. I was referring to your activities and how they were like what Trump does with his stupid tweets. I pointed out how what you said was silly and irrelevant to reality. Just like a lot of what Trump says. You then proceeded to dig your heels in, defending a demonstrably asinine position, just like Trump does. You do it again in the post I am replying to. You can't even address the points I made. You presented no evidence of your claim, nor any corroborating suppositions that point toward evidence. You said nothing to refute what I said other than what boils down to a rhetorical "nuh-uh."
Please forgive me if I don't take you as an authoritative source. You can't even quote me correctly and the words are right there in the post. We are all somehow stupider for having read what you wrote. You are awarded no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
Two people responsible for the hundreds of threats against Jewish community centers, synagogues, and cemeteries as well as destruction of property, etc. The second link reveals this Jewish guy is responsible for threats all over the world, not just in the US. The media pushed hard for this story to be part of the "racists and anti-semites following Trump and Bannon, emboldened and galvanized into action, blah blah blah." Turns out it was the farthest thing from.
That doesn't preclude the Trump supporters or organization from doing the same thing with stirring up dissent, which was my point. Create a crisis, capitalize on it. You know, a page out of ol' Saul's book. Jesus, I keep forgetting how incredibly stupid you are. Don't try to figure out what this means, it will only confuse you.
I don't even know what the fuck the elders of Zion is, I'm just quoting the news, the Israeli police, and US justice department. What kind of filters are you running in your cortex that has you off on such a tangent? You need to clean them out, they're toxic and you can't see reality because of what you have overlaid on your perceptions.
Finally and most importantly, I don't have a "team." I am decidedly not one of you, if you will pardon the expression, fucking stupid morons that think a political party is going to save them. I don't play that game and I certainly don't see either party serving my interests or representing me in the slightest. So, yeah, keep on with your presupposed opposition, preconceived notions, and crazy internal monologue. If it helps you make enemies and completely misunderstand the world around you then I guess its working as you hoped?
I hope your kids date black people and have little mixed babies...
If only everyone would do the same, we wouldn't have a race problem in this country any more. Racist fucks like you would be the same "race" as everyone else.
Maybe we could hate people for being ignorant and hateful instead of skin color. Would be great to see you up against the wall first.
With all of the liberals and Jewish dudes calling in bomb threats to synagogues and knocking over Jewish headstones, I wouldn't be surprised if this was a false flag operation as well. Fucking crazy humans, the lot of you.
Manipulation of the public is way too easy, and by that I mean manipulation of individuals on a large scale. If you want to generate sympathy for your side and hatred of the other all you have to do is secretly attack your own side in a very public way that makes it easy for people to virtue signal. See the reference above or all of those black college students hanging up nooses in trees and painting the n-word on walls, fake rape accusations, etc. IT happens more often than you might think. Hate is so gauche that the people who thrive on it have to manufacture it now. The sad part is how much you all eat it up.
The really awesome part would be if these people thought they were being paid by Soros to generate interest in taking down the government but they were actually being paid by Trump's people to make the public upset at the liberal fringe elements.
If some of these protesters are being paid to do this, and if they have done it before (within the last 10 years), and if there is a common plaintiff then yes, there could be RICO charges.
That being said, its a super long shot and there would have to be a huge investigation into who was funding this kind of activity. This would not be like the Italian mob where their presence was known and their ability to avoid prosecution was a thorn in the side of law enforcement. This would be the discovery of a whole new organization, their objective being subversive attacks on the American political system from a faux grass roots perspective. A totally different animal than profit motivated mobsters.
With Trump in office, RICO charges would be the least of their worries.
Do you ever get accused of acting just like Trump? You know, when you say something incredibly stupid, get called out on it, and then instead of admitting you effed up you just say it again, and louder hoping it will sound true. Well, if not, you sure are taking one from his playbook on this one.
Former Secretary of State Clinton assumed office in 2009 and stepped down in February of 2013.
Trump made that comment in July of 2016.
It is not a stretch to think that the 33,000 deleted emails Trump was referring to didn't all get sent on the last day of her tenure. Do you personally know of any intermediary servers that retain random emails and their contents for 3.5-7 years? Maybe a log of "to" and "from," but contents from the body? Even if they did, where the hell would you start to look? What you propose is like looking for a non-existent needle in a million invisible haystacks.
Union boss: HEY! Company boss guy! You cant keep fucking your employees over!
CEO: Why? They seem to like it.
Union boss: Well its our turn to fuck them for a while. They have more than one hole. Just give us first dibs and you can occupy the other.
CEO: So I get to watch you fuck them while I fuck them too? Sounds like a win-win scenario for everyone!
Union boss: Great, glad that is settled. See you in Ibiza this summer?
CEO: No, I'll be at my place in the Hampton's this year. Want to join me?
Union boss: I would but my home there is being renovated. For 12 million you would think you wouldn't have to put in a tennis court and redo the entire master suite.
So for the same reasons you would oppose NAFTA, the TPP, illegal immigration from the southern border, as well as over-regulation of US companies by OSHA?
In this particular parlance "form correct opinions" refers to using data that directly contradicts your conclusion as supporting information. It belies a level of ignorance, blindness, or uninformed cogitation resulting from attaching their opinion to their self worth. For those who do this the supporting information does not need to be true, correct, or even exist in some cases. They will forcefully project their unsupported opinion into discussions because their ego requires it. I have noticed people suffering from partisanship do this quite a bit.
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I love this discussion. Two people, looking at their country falling apart, never holding their elected representatives responsible, only blaming their opposition for the problems.
Look, if you want results stop blaming the other party. It serves no productive purpose. If you want to remain partisan, against all reason and better judgement, fine, do that. But instead of attacking the other party, hold your own party accountable for what they do and don't do.
Look at all the problems of our country as the responsibility of the American people. We as a people, a whole, are responsible for the politicians we field. We, as a people, are responsible for the laws that are created. We are all responsible for the laws that don't get enforced, or are selectively enforced. We, as a whole people are responsible for the fate of our country.
You can go round and round talking about who did what forever. It doesn't get anything done now and it completely obscures your vision as to what to do to fix the problems going forward. You can't plan for the future when you are consumed with the past. It just doesn't work.
Your elected officials love to fan the flames of inter-party angst and rage. Don't fall for it. It's a mental trap that leads you nowhere. Their entire platform is designed to fracture the American public into factions and set them at each others throats. Divide and conquer is the only reason for the two party system.
The first time I heard the phrase "Information Age" I immediately saw it for what it was. This is, and has been, the "Age of Bullshit."
Nothing is true. Truth is merely a basis for intentional misinformation designed to hoodwink the unwary, manipulate those with an agenda, and leave a record of soft lies that will confuse and befuddle researchers in the future when they try to discern what really happened in the past.
It's kind of like contemporaneous revisionism is the new standard.
Oh how I miss Tim Benzedrine...
Right subject, wrong article. Try this one:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02...
For me it has little to do with privacy and a lot to do with engineered stimulus response loops and habit manipulation.
Articles like the one I will link at the end of this post will give you a small idea about how people are trying to create incisive stimulus/response situations which result in cascades of behavior changes.
I would rather not participate in this kind of manipulation. It is one reason why I quit Facebook. It will also similarly reduce my internet usage at home. The last thing I want is to provide these Pavlovian marketeers with the data they need to sell us back our own asses. No thank you.
https://www.forbes.com/forbes/...
Except they're not 6 anymore and haven't been for decades.
It is incredibly frustrating to watch seemingly intelligent people lose all semblance of intellectual capacity when the subject of politics comes up.
Because anyone who is proficient with the metric system will not have any problem with this conversion and not even notice it. This is the fun part about the metric system. Yards to feet is a clumsy factor of three. With metrics you just move the decimal a tad.
If this is becoming too difficulty for people I really do hope we go the way of the dinosaurs.
Perhaps even more amazing, consider the catastrophic bad luck that befell the planet's dominant life form, and allowed our kind a window in which to proliferate.
There have been 5 major extinction events we know of, and at least 20 minor ones we know of, in the last 600 million years or so.
That is decidedly not "catastrophic bad luck." More like clockwork.
Extinction is sad, but only like death is sad. Something that is one of a kind is now gone forever. A gentle reminder that nothing is permanent, hopefully preparing you for your own eventual demise. Life, in a collective sense of the word, is a process larger than individual cells, organisms, or even species. Extinction does not eliminate Life, it enables it to transform.
It is natural, predictable, inevitable. A necessity as well. Humans would not be here to observe and record extinct species if it were not for previous extinctions.
It has been happening since life began, it will continue when mankind is gone. You can view it as a loss, or you can take it as another step along the pathway of Life and celebrate it for what it is.
I love the way this looks on paper:
Patent infringement:
"You totally copied all of our best secrets for making awesome golf balls!"
False advertising:
"Your golf balls are shyte Costco!"
Which is it? Did they take your awesome patented ideas or are the golf balls nothing more than under-performing over-hyped sales gimmicks?
Or, maybe they both are...
Sorry AutodidactLabrat. I should have seen the signs early on and not pursued a conversation with you. Nor should I have been so inflammatory. I ask your forgiveness, for what it is worth.
I see that we do not have intersecting intellects. I cannot speak to your worldview, but I can discern that it is completely and irrevocably alien to me. There is no fruit in discussing details with you when basic suppositions of the conversation, and even reality, are not held in common. Where there is no commonality there can be no discussion.
Please allow me to say this in closing that I appreciate your verve and fire. I see your energy and intensity. It comes through even this narrow aperture, a keyboard conversation. Not an easy accomplishment. I would give my right arm for 10 men with your passion who were as dedicated to the American people as you are to your politics. Unfortunately men like that are in short supply. We certainly won't find them in our government (well maybe with maybe the exception of dear St. Bernie) and the insidious trap of partisanship conscripts, corrupts, and devours the rest of the candidates from the electorate. Probably just as well that so many remain regimented, expressing their prescribed 15 minutes of hate each and every day at their designated and accepted out-group, regurgitating their force-fed outrage only within the proper boundaries. What a small group of dedicated, free-minded men can accomplish is well documented and frankly shocking.
I have heard of these "peace treaties." That's the part where your enemy rebuilds their logistical infrastructure, buys more arms, and recruits more militants, right?
Specifically, there are some problems that have only one answer, and that answer is violence.
It is not a comfortable truth, but a truth nonetheless. The problem with this is two fold.
One: Never try to fix a problem that requires the application of violence with another method.
Two: Once you have determined correctly that violence is the answer, it must be applied quickly and without reservation.
This methodology is scalable, from the individual to the intergalactic.
And kill citizens in exchange for tax revenue. Really, short yellow lights do kill people. Municipal governments know this and some of them still shorten the lights beyond the acceptable range as dictated by DOT engineering standards.
In my opinion we should be able to draw and quarter the people responsible for intentionally turning human misery and death into tax revenue.
Sorry, I am otherwise occupied trying to herd US citizens into realizing what the real threats to us are. Here's a hint, it ain't the great Russian smokescreen.
It's people like you who are so convinced that partisan politics is an all or nothing, us or them situation that you are willing to create lies in your mind to support your position and get enraged about non-issues because you have tied your ego to the belief center of your brain and completely bypassed the logic circuits.
Case in point. My number one concern is for the health, well being, and viability of every American citizen. You call that concern traitorous for some inscrutable reason. You keep attributing partisan political motivations to me when I have never taken a stand for a political "side," only pointed out how someone was incredibly wrong about the availability of emails. That is not indicative of the actions of a logical person. Those are the thoughts of a compromised mind.
Did you even read what I wrote, or are you again interjecting your own thoughts? I can play play that game too you know.
I said I am in opposition to our government on many things, and firmly in favor of the people of the US. You call that being a traitor, fine. Therefore, as a non-traitor yourself, you must support 100% of what our government is doing, eh? Well then, that would make you a Trump supporter, and a bigly one at that! Well, if supporting our government in everything they do and kowtowing to Trump is your thing, keep it up patriot! I will oppose you and you can call me a traitor all you want.
You like the idea of rampant corporatism, encroaching fascism, and deliberate misrepresentation of the electorate. I get it. You're too stupid to realize that our government, both "parties" as you call them, are nothing more than the new aristocracy, completely dedicated to their own causes which are vastly different than the interests of their constituents and even their supporters. I get that too. You want to support your "side," but you don't realize that your "side" doesn't support you and is acting against your interests as a citizen. I get that as well. But just because you are committed to the same subjugation and exploitation of the US people as our leaders doesn't mean that I won't try to talk you out of being a self destructive robot dedicated to taking all of us down with you. Again, call me a traitor all you want, I will wear your stupid label as a badge of pride.
I see your reading comprehension level is way below the material presented. I was referring to your activities and how they were like what Trump does with his stupid tweets. I pointed out how what you said was silly and irrelevant to reality. Just like a lot of what Trump says. You then proceeded to dig your heels in, defending a demonstrably asinine position, just like Trump does. You do it again in the post I am replying to. You can't even address the points I made. You presented no evidence of your claim, nor any corroborating suppositions that point toward evidence. You said nothing to refute what I said other than what boils down to a rhetorical "nuh-uh."
Please forgive me if I don't take you as an authoritative source. You can't even quote me correctly and the words are right there in the post. We are all somehow stupider for having read what you wrote. You are awarded no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
Woah dude! What have you been smoking? I am talking about the actual news. Take a look:
http://dailycaller.com/2017/03...
http://abcnews.go.com/US/suspe...
And here is the definition of false flag:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Two people responsible for the hundreds of threats against Jewish community centers, synagogues, and cemeteries as well as destruction of property, etc. The second link reveals this Jewish guy is responsible for threats all over the world, not just in the US. The media pushed hard for this story to be part of the "racists and anti-semites following Trump and Bannon, emboldened and galvanized into action, blah blah blah." Turns out it was the farthest thing from.
That doesn't preclude the Trump supporters or organization from doing the same thing with stirring up dissent, which was my point. Create a crisis, capitalize on it. You know, a page out of ol' Saul's book. Jesus, I keep forgetting how incredibly stupid you are. Don't try to figure out what this means, it will only confuse you.
I don't even know what the fuck the elders of Zion is, I'm just quoting the news, the Israeli police, and US justice department. What kind of filters are you running in your cortex that has you off on such a tangent? You need to clean them out, they're toxic and you can't see reality because of what you have overlaid on your perceptions.
Finally and most importantly, I don't have a "team." I am decidedly not one of you, if you will pardon the expression, fucking stupid morons that think a political party is going to save them. I don't play that game and I certainly don't see either party serving my interests or representing me in the slightest. So, yeah, keep on with your presupposed opposition, preconceived notions, and crazy internal monologue. If it helps you make enemies and completely misunderstand the world around you then I guess its working as you hoped?
I hope your kids date black people and have little mixed babies...
If only everyone would do the same, we wouldn't have a race problem in this country any more. Racist fucks like you would be the same "race" as everyone else.
Maybe we could hate people for being ignorant and hateful instead of skin color. Would be great to see you up against the wall first.
With all of the liberals and Jewish dudes calling in bomb threats to synagogues and knocking over Jewish headstones, I wouldn't be surprised if this was a false flag operation as well. Fucking crazy humans, the lot of you.
Manipulation of the public is way too easy, and by that I mean manipulation of individuals on a large scale. If you want to generate sympathy for your side and hatred of the other all you have to do is secretly attack your own side in a very public way that makes it easy for people to virtue signal. See the reference above or all of those black college students hanging up nooses in trees and painting the n-word on walls, fake rape accusations, etc. IT happens more often than you might think. Hate is so gauche that the people who thrive on it have to manufacture it now. The sad part is how much you all eat it up.
The really awesome part would be if these people thought they were being paid by Soros to generate interest in taking down the government but they were actually being paid by Trump's people to make the public upset at the liberal fringe elements.
It would be funny if it weren't so plausible.
If some of these protesters are being paid to do this, and if they have done it before (within the last 10 years), and if there is a common plaintiff then yes, there could be RICO charges.
That being said, its a super long shot and there would have to be a huge investigation into who was funding this kind of activity. This would not be like the Italian mob where their presence was known and their ability to avoid prosecution was a thorn in the side of law enforcement. This would be the discovery of a whole new organization, their objective being subversive attacks on the American political system from a faux grass roots perspective. A totally different animal than profit motivated mobsters.
With Trump in office, RICO charges would be the least of their worries.
Do you ever get accused of acting just like Trump? You know, when you say something incredibly stupid, get called out on it, and then instead of admitting you effed up you just say it again, and louder hoping it will sound true. Well, if not, you sure are taking one from his playbook on this one.
Former Secretary of State Clinton assumed office in 2009 and stepped down in February of 2013.
Trump made that comment in July of 2016.
It is not a stretch to think that the 33,000 deleted emails Trump was referring to didn't all get sent on the last day of her tenure. Do you personally know of any intermediary servers that retain random emails and their contents for 3.5-7 years? Maybe a log of "to" and "from," but contents from the body? Even if they did, where the hell would you start to look? What you propose is like looking for a non-existent needle in a million invisible haystacks.
Come on man. Really?
Unions have their own problems.
Union boss: HEY! Company boss guy! You cant keep fucking your employees over!
CEO: Why? They seem to like it.
Union boss: Well its our turn to fuck them for a while. They have more than one hole. Just give us first dibs and you can occupy the other.
CEO: So I get to watch you fuck them while I fuck them too? Sounds like a win-win scenario for everyone!
Union boss: Great, glad that is settled. See you in Ibiza this summer?
CEO: No, I'll be at my place in the Hampton's this year. Want to join me?
Union boss: I would but my home there is being renovated. For 12 million you would think you wouldn't have to put in a tennis court and redo the entire master suite.
So for the same reasons you would oppose NAFTA, the TPP, illegal immigration from the southern border, as well as over-regulation of US companies by OSHA?
Yes, I know it seems a bit over-accusatory to mention "correct opinions" and maybe even a misnomer. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, right?
This is a bit of an inside joke, sorry. Try replacing it with the idea of "not even wrong" if you are familiar with that.
If you are not familiar with it look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
In this particular parlance "form correct opinions" refers to using data that directly contradicts your conclusion as supporting information. It belies a level of ignorance, blindness, or uninformed cogitation resulting from attaching their opinion to their self worth. For those who do this the supporting information does not need to be true, correct, or even exist in some cases. They will forcefully project their unsupported opinion into discussions because their ego requires it. I have noticed people suffering from partisanship do this quite a bit.