Bay Area Tech Executives Indicted For H-1B Visa Fraud (mercurynews.com)

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Bay Area Tech Executives Indicted For H-1B Visa Fraud (mercurynews.com)

Posted by BeauHD on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @01:00PM from the visa-fraud dept.

New submitter s.petry quotes a report from The Mercury News: Two Bay Area tech executives are accused of filing false visa documents through a staffing agency in a scheme to illegally bring a pool of foreign tech workers into the United States. An indictment from a federal grand jury unsealed on Friday accuses Jayavel Murugan, Dynasoft Synergy's chief executive officer, and a 40-year-old Santa Clara man, Syed Nawaz, of fraudulently submitting H-1B applications in an effort to illegally obtain visas, according to Brian Stretch, U.S. attorney for the Northern District of California. The men are charged with 26 counts of visa fraud, conspiracy to commit visa fraud, use of false documents, mail fraud and aggravated identity theft, according to prosecutors. Each charge can carry penalties of between two and 20 years in prison. Prosecutors say the men used fraudulent documents to bring workers into the U.S. and create a pool of H-1B workers to hire out to tech companies. The indictment charges that from 2010 to 2016, Dynasoft petitioned to place workers at Stanford University, Cisco and Brocade, but the employers had no intention of receiving the foreign workers named on the applications. Nawaz submitted fake "end-client letters" to the government, falsely claiming the workers were on-site and performing jobs, according to the indictment.

Slashdot reader s.petry adds: "While not the only problem with the H-1B Visa program, this is a start at investigating and hopefully correcting problems."

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Jayavel Murugan by turkeydance · 2017-03-28 13:05 · Score: 5, Funny

thanks. needed a new password.
1. Re:Jayavel Murugan by Opportunist · 2017-03-29 01:11 · Score: 2, Funny
  
  I was thinking along the lines of "We shouldn't let George Lucas name our CEOs".
  
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Whaaaaaaaa? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 13:09 · Score: 0

Nahhh. Just a simple clerical error. One-time thing (one-off for Brits).
Let it begin! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 13:14 · Score: 2, Insightful

I've been waiting for the Trump administration to get to the H1Bs.
1. Re:Let it begin! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 13:47 · Score: 1
  
  As long as this is not a token act of justice with larger organizations overlooked completely for more egregious violations.
2. Re:Let it begin! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 14:32 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  The US attorney who filed the indictment was appointed in March of 2016 by Obama. Now that he's called attention to himself, Trump will probably fire him.
3. Re:Let it begin! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 14:40 · Score: 0, Insightful
  
  Trump may be in the market for a new wife. We know he wants one from Russia or Eastern Europe, and he got the last one through the H1B program. You decide whether he's going to curtail H1B.
4. Re:Let it begin! by OrangeTide · 2017-03-28 17:07 · Score: 4, Interesting
  
  The fraudulent applications would have been people who were not qualified for the H1B program and effectively took a slot away from a qualified foreign worker. My guess is someone in India willing to fork over money to these guys stole a job from some college grad in India. The college grad might have actually be able to rise up and take jobs away from an American citizen. An incompetent fraud is not likely to hold down a job for long before being replaced. Which do you think is the bigger threat to American workers?
  
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5. Re:Let it begin! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 17:39 · Score: 0
  
  An incompetent fraud is not likely to hold down a job for long before being replaced.
  I really wish that were true. -PCP
6. Re:Let it begin! by NicknameUnavailable · 2017-03-28 18:19 · Score: 0, Troll
  
  -5 Liberal Extremist
7. Re:Let it begin! by jellomizer · 2017-03-28 21:48 · Score: 2
  
  Yea right. The chances are once the H-1 problem is fixed the skills American will have to do the job at H-1 rate.
  Companies don't want well paid middle class. They want rich executives that they can play golf with. Or the poor or near poor working class.
  Us tech guys who are educated, experience and have our fingers on the companies vital components are a thorn in their plans.
  
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8. Re:Let it begin! by stealth_finger · 2017-03-28 23:06 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  took a slot away from a qualified foreign worker. My guess is someone in India willing to fork over money to these guys stole a job from some college grad in India.
  So now they're stealing American jobs from Indians in India? Mother fuckers!
  
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9. Re:Let it begin! by LifesABeach · 2017-03-28 23:25 · Score: 1
  
  I've got a H1B visa to the person that thinks Trumps "Make America Grate - Taxes" is going to help the 99%.
10. Re:Let it begin! by LifesABeach · 2017-03-28 23:26 · Score: 2
  
  You forgot to say, "Tooth Fairies make nice friends."
11. Re:Let it begin! by LifesABeach · 2017-03-28 23:28 · Score: 1
  
  And your point is?
12. Re: Let it begin! by dougdonovan · 2017-03-28 23:45 · Score: 0
  
  if u r not legal to b in the US...pack your bags...yawn.
13. Re:Let it begin! by AmiMoJo · 2017-03-28 23:56 · Score: 0
  
  They have have fucked themselves already. Like the Muslim ban, the fact that they are on record talking endlessly about how they want to target certain groups could be used against them in court.
  They basically screwed themselves to get into power, by setting impossible goals and making lofty promises that they can't keep, and using language that will be thrown back at them in court. They are trying to back-track, e.g. Mexico isn't going to pay for the wall now, they will pay the US back later, but while it's relatively easily to bullshit voters it doesn't work very well in court.
  
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14. Re: Let it begin! by MattFlower · 2017-03-29 01:01 · Score: 1
  
  I completely agree that it is now tradition that presidents fire all the attorneys that an opposing predecessor has appointed. I also agree that president Obama did exactly that. It seems natural that a president wants to promote their agenda and attorneys help do that.
  I believe you are incorrect about President Trump/ Attorney General Sessions having fired only half of the remaining Obama attorneys. In fact, the 46 asked to resign represented all of the remaining appointees of President Obama. The other 47 had already stepped aside to make way for new picks.
15. Re:Let it begin! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 01:19 · Score: 1
  
  Not even close, did you even read the summary?
  The applications were deemed fraudulent because the positions tied to them did not really exist. The used fake letters from their "clients" to claim to have unfilled positions. Sadly, there aren't many checks into the qualifications required for the jobs or provided by the H1B recipients.
16. Re:Let it begin! by DivineKnight · 2017-03-29 01:36 · Score: 1
  
  Market forces prefer that we stop appointing assassins to C-level positions.
17. Re:Let it begin! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 01:49 · Score: 0
  
  They're being paid to fall on their swords to distract from real h1b fraud. nothing to see here, move along.
18. Re: Let it begin! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 01:53 · Score: 1
  
  its 2017. If you haven't learned how to spell and type by now, get. the. fuck. out.
19. Re:Let it begin! by kilfarsnar · 2017-03-29 02:02 · Score: 0, Flamebait
  
  Trump is non-partisan. If you do your job and work for America's interests, Trump is on your side!
  Define "job" and "interests". It's all in the details.
  
  In 1993, Clinton fired all Republican attorneys in a single day (93 of 94; one was kept temporarily on Senate's request). In 2009, the snake did the same. In contrast, Trump replaced less than half. Think about that the next time you watch the mainstream media lies. MAGA!
  And George W. Bush did the same. This is standard stuff. Think about that the next time Trump lies to you.
  
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20. Re:Let it begin! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 02:04 · Score: 0
  
  Trump is non-partisan. If you do your job and work for America's interests, Trump is on your side!
  Oh, I thought you were serious there for a minute,
21. Re: Let it begin! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 02:12 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  You guys realize both sides are calling each other the same thing ... right ?
  Like watching 6 year Olds in the back seat.
22. Re:Let it begin! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 02:16 · Score: 1
  
  Trump is non-partisan. If you do your job and work for America's interests, Trump is on your side!
  COMPLETELY non-partisan! Honest to God, he hired lots of democrats for his administration!
  And socialists, did we mention he's hired lots of socialists to run the country?
  And communists!
  Trump is completely non-partisan indeed! That why he ran as an independent candidate not affiliated with a party!
23. Re: Let it begin! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 02:16 · Score: 0
  
  Heh? Even during the election I was telling everyone trump was not going to demand a sack of cash for a wall. There are many ways to pay for something.
  The problem was the left taking their hatred of trump way past reality.
24. Re:Let it begin! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 02:16 · Score: 0
  
  Mail-order brides come in on an H1- P visa
25. Re:Let it begin! by Khyber · 2017-03-29 02:31 · Score: 0
  
  "An incompetent fraud is not likely to hold down a job for long before being replaced"
  Uhhh, does the word 'union' ring any alarm bells?
  
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26. Re:Let it begin! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 02:44 · Score: 0
  
  "it doesn't work very well in court."
  I see you're not all that familiar with our court system. It isn't all that hard to bs your way to an erroneous court decision, just see all of the crazy decisions regarding child custody, patents, police misconduct, etc. The only trick is to be subtle about it and have at least some vague case law to wave around. Thankfully Trump and his lackeys are about as subtle as a bundle of dynamite with its fuse lit thrown through a window, and they have a pretty clear disregard for educated individuals so they probably couldn't stomach the amount of book work to look at/understand case law. As you noted they've also been pretty blatant about their less savory viewpoints and a court is not really going to buy the "it was just campaign shenanigans" excuse they've been trying to con the public with.
27. Re:Let it begin! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 03:04 · Score: 0
  
  David Koch is that you? GFYS corporate bootlicker.
28. Re:Let it begin! by budgenator · 2017-03-29 03:06 · Score: 1
  
  California Tech workers have an union?
  
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29. Re: Let it begin! by kilfarsnar · 2017-03-29 04:23 · Score: 1
  
  You guys realize both sides are calling each other the same thing ... right ?
  Like watching 6 year Olds in the back seat.
  Yep. Partisan politics is stupid. I'm neither Republican nor Democrat.
  
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30. Re: Let it begin! by Dread_ed · 2017-03-29 04:26 · Score: 2
  
  Except they're not 6 anymore and haven't been for decades.
  It is incredibly frustrating to watch seemingly intelligent people lose all semblance of intellectual capacity when the subject of politics comes up.
  
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31. Re:Let it begin! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 04:31 · Score: 0
  Which do you think is the bigger threat to American workers?
  You're right that not all negative news about H1B aligns with American workers' interests. I do still want some immigration for two reasons:
  We must continue the "brain drain". Depressing as it is, it makes the US "competitive," in two ways.
  
  If companies can gather smart workers here, they can build a business here. If they can only gather smart workers in the EU, they will set up shops there, and EU immigration laws will keep US workers out of them. We could become the new India.
  Unlike medicine, law, or even factories, programming can be done from anywhere, and the result exported without tarrif. Smart Indians will move to the US for better quality of life, leaving fewer smart Indians in India. If this were not so, India could do great programming and kick the bottom out of US programmer wages through globalization. Among elite workers, increasing worker mobility can raise rather than lower wages.
  Visas are reciprocal. I want freedom of movement, which means we need to let people like me from desireable locations move here, and we need to keep this a desireable location. There's no need to give H1Bs to India to get this, but we should give them to EU, Canada, Australia, etc., countries with similar quality of life, and in fact we should perhaps bargain for more mobility but only with countries under similar migratory pressure.
32. Re:Let it begin! by liquid_schwartz · 2017-03-29 04:43 · Score: 1
  
  Mail-order brides come in on an H1- P visa
  Maybe for you. I'll take the H1- V model
33. Re:Let it begin! by Tjp($)pjT · 2017-03-29 06:09 · Score: 2
  
  This is actually quite common. They file as soon as H1-B season opens and there is no job or position for the worker. The applicants for the H1-B visas are large placement firms, and ostensibly have "hired" the worker already. What they file is that they work for the company in say, India, where the largest number of H1-Bs come from these days; but the worker is paid nothing until the placement firm lands them a job in America, and transfers the H1-B holding status to their American firm, either another placement firm, or after charging the worker a ton of fees, the actual American company (which is rare). They pay substandard wages to the worker as to be competitive they charge less than other job shops. The job shop can then undercut other job shops or even direct hire rates. The worker sees this as a fantastic salary, until they get here. But as a friend of mine found when he worked in Switzerland. They pay more, the expenses are more. But if you could save some money already you'll be able to put a lot more in savings. So the workers from India will be able to save more send money home, and when they become citizens sponsor their family to come to America. H1-Bs are not just about the individual worker. They can expedite getting whole families to America.
  
  If H1-B visas were properly used it would benefit America. Unfortunately we aren't getting them in the hands of the best and brightest. We are getting them in the hands of people recruited off the street, promised a path of gold to untold riches, and then trained in a few weeks and issued a cut-rate certificate. The number of classically trained post graduate educated or proven performers recruited for filling H1-B slots is depressingly low. I know because a good portion of my work used to be cleaning up projects originally executed by outsourced and H1-B labor. Outsourced is the worst case and is thankfully declining, but the quality of work by the average H1-B worker is shockingly low caliber. So folks are brilliant. Lets modify the process to allow them and filter the dross.
  
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34. Re: Let it begin! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 06:31 · Score: 0
  
  "Its"
  Oh the irony lol
35. Re:Let it begin! by Khyber · 2017-03-29 10:57 · Score: 1
  
  Some do, yes, thanks to your ignorance of reality.
  
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36. Re: Let it begin! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-30 03:49 · Score: 0
  
  Heh? Even during the election I was telling everyone trump was not going to demand a sack of cash for a wall. There are many ways to pay for something.
  
  Cool story, bro.
  
  The problem was the left taking their hatred of trump way past reality.
  
  Nope, the problem is, as you and other Trump supporters continue to do, you taking your faith in Trump way past reality. Mexico is not paying for that wall, no matter how many ways there are to pay for something. You're in denial. They won't do it voluntarily, tariffs etc have been floated that means both that we'll (American consumers) pay for it and start an ugly tariff war if it happens, and nobody has thought of any alternatives. It's dead. American taxpayers will pay for the wall, end of story, and you're deluded.
37. Re:Let it begin! by airdweller · 2017-03-30 04:12 · Score: 1
  
  "does the word 'union' ring any alarm bells?"
  The tech workers have a union now? I don't think those visas were for machinists or forklift drivers.
38. Re:Let it begin! by airdweller · 2017-03-30 04:14 · Score: 1
  
  "Some" - as in a couple of thousands or hundreds of thousands? Alternatively, 5-10% or 75-80% of the workers?
39. Re: Let it begin! by airdweller · 2017-03-30 04:16 · Score: 1
  
  "Oh the irony lol"
  Oh, the irony... LOL.
Dynasoft Synergy by amicusNYCL · 2017-03-28 13:28 · Score: 0

I used to work at Dynasoft Synergy, right before I moved over to Initrode, and then over to Initech where I was updating bank software for the Y2K switch.

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1. Re:Dynasoft Synergy by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 13:38 · Score: 0
  
  I believe you meant Penitrode..
2. Re:Dynasoft Synergy by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 13:48 · Score: 0
  
  Did you finally get two chicks at one time?
3. Re:Dynasoft Synergy by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 14:07 · Score: 0
  
  Although, dating Jennifer Aniston in her prime would be a greater accomplishment in my mind.....even lawrence would give that a "hell yea!".
4. Re:Dynasoft Synergy by rhazz · 2017-03-29 00:33 · Score: 1
  
  The name of the company is the only thing that brought me in here. Seriously who would take a name like Dynasoft Synergy seriously? Sounds like the kind of crap that a name-generator would spit out.
Hell, it's about time. by scatbomb · 2017-03-28 13:31 · Score: 2, Insightful

We will no longer surrender this country, or its people, to the false song of globalism.
1. Re:Hell, it's about time. by whoever57 · 2017-03-28 13:38 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  I think you have misunderstood these people's crimes.
  Their real crime was that their illegal enterprise was too small.
  
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2. Re:Hell, it's about time. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 13:41 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  LOL. Your government is owned by globalist corporations. Clean out your headgear.
3. Re:Hell, it's about time. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 13:46 · Score: 0
  
  You misspelled globalism: capitalism
  There, fixed it!
4. Re:Hell, it's about time. by Desler · 2017-03-28 13:49 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  By electing a president of a multinational corporation who staffed his cabinet with globalist billionaires? Yeah, sure, bro.
5. Re:Hell, it's about time. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 13:58 · Score: 2, Interesting
  
  1. The investigation that led to this started during Obama's presidency, has nothing to do with Trump.
  2. Trump is a multi-millionaire or billionaire, many of the people he's appointed are similarly wealthy people. He's also appointed former top level Goldman Sachs employees. Steve Bannon also worked for Goldman Sachs.
  3. I do hope he keeps this promise in regards to H1B visas, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
  4. "Globalism" is a dog whistle for anti-immigration, anti-NATO, anti-EU, and anti-rich people with any bit of Jewish ancestry or who are not aligned right or far right, but all other rich people, like Trump, Bannon, Betsy Devos, Tillerson, Putin, Russian oligarchs, are all just fine.
6. Re:Hell, it's about time. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 14:02 · Score: 1
  
  Oy vey, Schlomo! It's anudda Shoah, I tells ya! Anudda Shoah!
7. Re:Hell, it's about time. by h33t+l4x0r · 2017-03-28 14:07 · Score: 1
  
  None of them are in tech, though. Why should bankers and oil guys care about hurting silicon valley?
8. Re:Hell, it's about time. by ArylAkamov · 2017-03-28 15:15 · Score: 2
  
  Nice of you to throw Jews in there so you can subtly claim they're all Nazis.
9. Re:Hell, it's about time. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 15:42 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  No it's true! Either you are with Globalization or you are a literal Nazi. There is no middle ground.
  That system that caused two world wars, the great depression, created and expands the wealth gap, continues to support and expand human trafficking, international terrorism, and the global financial crisis...yeah if you oppose that you are a literal Nazi.
  Oddly the reason why the German National Socialist Party was elected was to solve the problems globalization caused Germany during the great depression, sucked the wealth from their country, and caused a widespread increase in suicides and civil unrest...not unlike what the world is facing now. So in a manner globalists are correct in that the Nazis were against them, but nearly a century later they have not realized that they were the ones that created their own demons.
10. Re:Hell, it's about time. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 16:16 · Score: 0
  
  LOL. And Bob Avakian is owned by Soros.
11. Re: Hell, it's about time. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 16:38 · Score: 1
  
  Queue the mental gymnastics trying to show the president is a white supremacist yet is selling out his nation.
  Â±
  What gymnastics? He's a sellout to Russia, who qualify as white now, even the Irish and Spanish are white these days. Not Hispanics or Turks though some can easily pass.
  But no, if you'd paid attention, you would notice how often Trump is accused of embracing the rhetoric and tone of those groups for gain, but without true fervency or passion. He's the kind of guy who will go with the flow as long as it benefits himself.
  Which is the real problem with Trump, he hasn't got principles or values, so he is easy to lead astray into darkness, yet inconsistent about it.
  And he's two-faced, which is why he can talk out of both sides of his mouth. He doesn't actually care about the bullshit.
12. Re:Hell, it's about time. by OrangeTide · 2017-03-28 17:10 · Score: 4, Interesting
  
  Trump is Schrodinger's president. He can be both an isolationist hate filled xenophobe and a globalist sellout at the same time, whichever his detractors think is worse in the moment!
  Queue the mental gymnastics trying to show the president is a white supremacist yet is selling out his nation.
  Think of the sort of person who will work with anyone and do anything to close the deal. But at the same time goes home to a gated community or walled mansion far removed from the plebeians.
  
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13. Re: Hell, it's about time. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 18:03 · Score: 0
  
  What policies has Russia benefited from so far?
  People keep saying Trump sucks Putins dick but how is Russia winning right now?
14. Re:Hell, it's about time. by speedplane · 2017-03-28 18:09 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  None of them are in tech, though. Why should bankers and oil guys care about hurting silicon valley?
  Their anti-science stance (e.g., 20% cut to NIH funding), will have ripple effects throughout silicon valley.
  
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15. Re:Hell, it's about time. by geekymachoman · 2017-03-28 20:18 · Score: 1
  
  > By electing a president of a multinational corporation who staffed his cabinet with globalist billionaires? Yeah, sure, bro.
  So you think we're better off with a corrupted middleman ?
  Meh.
16. Re: Hell, it's about time. by Highdude702 · 2017-03-28 21:33 · Score: 1
  
  Because Trump didnt follow clintons agenda of starting world war 3 with russia. havent you paid attention to slashdot?!?
17. Re:Hell, it's about time. by Hognoxious · 2017-03-28 22:47 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  It wasn't globalisation that screwed the Weimar economy. It was the fine slapped on them for being very naughty in 1914.
  
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18. Re:Hell, it's about time. by tunkamerica · 2017-03-28 22:55 · Score: 1
  
  this was a very small company peddling what looks like garbage
19. Re:Hell, it's about time. by AmiMoJo · 2017-03-28 23:53 · Score: 1, Interesting
  
  Trump used Twitter to bypass the media and avoid having his words scrutinised before they entered his supporter's brains. That's why he is at war with the media - he's like a used car salesman trying to keep you away from the mechanic trying to tell you that it's a clunker.
  Also, his supporters made great use of Facebook and other social media to spread fake news and memes.
  So his administration needs Silicon Valley to be on board and not go too far with tackling fake news and displaying rebuttals to his tweets along side them. If they piss the tech companies off too much, their primary tool for conning people will be rendered useless.
  
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20. Re:Hell, it's about time. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 00:31 · Score: 0
  
  I don't see the problem with that. In fact, the sort of person who is willing to work with anyone seems a nice change of pace compared to the us vs them that seems standard in politics these days. What they do in their personal lives is inconsequential as long as it doesn't negatively impact anyone. And gated communities and walled mansions don't hurt people.
21. Re:Hell, it's about time. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 00:41 · Score: 0
  
  It is not liberal media lies when you look at the proposed budget and stuff we don't need (huge increases in military spending) is in there and things we do need (EPA, NIH, park services, etc.) are all slated for large cuts. We don't need to see the final budget to understand where Trump's administration's head is at on this - they want to cut the good stuff that we need and increase the stuff we don't really need more of.
22. Re:Hell, it's about time. by Highdude702 · 2017-03-29 01:08 · Score: 1
  
  Yes because God forbid we make sure to protect our citizens. And our nation.
23. Re:Hell, it's about time. by Highdude702 · 2017-03-29 01:10 · Score: 0
  
  You really are a moron if you believe anything you typed there. The media is like the shady back alley mechanic telling you your transmission needs to be rebuilt when you just asked him to change your tire.
24. Re:Hell, it's about time. by Opportunist · 2017-03-29 01:14 · Score: 1
  
  Schrodinger's president? As in, if we just keep looking at him often enough, eventually he'll end up dead?
  
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25. Re:Hell, it's about time. by Highdude702 · 2017-03-29 01:14 · Score: 1
  
  It's the "I'm not rich so nobody else is allowed to be" mentality that kills me. What happened to the dream of working hard to success? I feel Hollywood has a lot to play in that part.
26. Re:Hell, it's about time. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 01:20 · Score: 0
  
  It's the "I'm not rich so nobody else is allowed to be" mentality that kills me.
  Better than the "They're not rich, so nobody gives a fuck" mentality that kills hundreds of thousands.
  
  What happened to the dream of working hard to success?
  We spotted all the crooks and frauds in the ranks of the wealthy, who falsely claimed success, but were really just advantage-taking scum.
  
  I feel Hollywood has a lot to play in that part.
  Yes, Hollywood is famed for its deceits.
27. Re:Hell, it's about time. by parkinglot777 · 2017-03-29 01:21 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  So far, I see Collins is still on board, funding actually increased, regulations actually down, science visa processing actually streamlined (my colleague got his in 3 days, instead of Obama's 2-3 months). At NIH, they actually paid for travel this year (Obama was constantly cock-blocking the researchers from conferences).
  Are you naive or stupid? Which approved budget the NIH is now spending? You need to look for the meaning of fiscal year and how government budgeting works before you spout this nonsensical statement.
28. Re: Hell, it's about time. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 01:25 · Score: 1
  
  Other countries seem to do fine with less than 10% of the spending. How about reduce the waste and not cut other areas?
29. Re: Hell, it's about time. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 01:30 · Score: 0
  
  Pot meet kettle.
30. Re:Hell, it's about time. by GLMDesigns · 2017-03-29 01:33 · Score: 1
  
  Globalism /= Capitalism
  
  Globalism can also be Socialist (International Socialism anyone) or Theocratic.
  
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31. Re:Hell, it's about time. by cmdr_klarg · 2017-03-29 01:35 · Score: 1
  
  By electing a president of a multinational corporation who staffed his cabinet with globalist billionaires? Yeah, sure, bro.
  Trump is Schrodinger's president. He can be both an isolationist hate filled xenophobe and a globalist sellout at the same time, whichever his detractors think is worse in the moment!
  Queue the mental gymnastics trying to show the president is a white supremacist yet is selling out his nation.
  No gymnastics needed. Trump is a master bullshit artist, pure and simple. He can be whatever he wants his audience to think he is.
  
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32. Re:Hell, it's about time. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 01:42 · Score: 0
  
  "Queue the mental gymnastics"
  *CUE* the mental deficients who can't tell "cue" from "queue".
33. Re:Hell, it's about time. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 02:01 · Score: 0
  
  Queue
  
  Epic fail, Bubba.
34. Re:Hell, it's about time. by xession · 2017-03-29 02:02 · Score: 1
  
  For a forum with a likely higher than average percentage of folks with an understanding of game theory, I'm always a bit surprised how narrow the reality is to some folks. Tech is literally the application side to science research folks. This isn't hard.
35. Re:Hell, it's about time. by kilfarsnar · 2017-03-29 02:07 · Score: 1
  
  We will no longer surrender this country, or its people, to the false song of globalism.
  Oh, come on. Sure we will. People generally think whatever their preferred media outlets tell them to think.
  
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36. Re:Hell, it's about time. by kilfarsnar · 2017-03-29 02:09 · Score: 1
  
  Some scientist you are, who can't use independent thinking... You should fucking use your eyes and look at facts, not trust the liberal media lies. All I see so far is Trump over-delivering, 100+% for science.
  I just had to quote this. This is gold, right here.
  
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37. Re:Hell, it's about time. by kilfarsnar · 2017-03-29 02:13 · Score: 1, Insightful
  
  Yes because God forbid we make sure to protect our citizens. And our nation.
  We already have, by far, the largest, most powerful military in the world, if not in world history. We are not seriously threatened by any country. We have a huge land mass that would be impossible to occupy militarily, and have oceans separating us from any serious rival. In what way are we not already protected?
  
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38. Re:Hell, it's about time. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 02:15 · Score: 0
  
  You really are a moron if you believe anything you typed there. The media is like the shady back alley mechanic telling you your transmission needs to be rebuilt when you just asked him to change your tire.
  Really, even Fox News?
39. Re:Hell, it's about time. by kilfarsnar · 2017-03-29 02:18 · Score: 1
  
  By electing a president of a multinational corporation who staffed his cabinet with globalist billionaires? Yeah, sure, bro.
  Trump is Schrodinger's president. He can be both an isolationist hate filled xenophobe and a globalist sellout at the same time, whichever his detractors think is worse in the moment!
  Queue the mental gymnastics trying to show the president is a white supremacist yet is selling out his nation.
  The superposition only lasts until you open the box. And your last sentence gives you away. You imply that a white supremacist could never sell out the US. That says a lot about how you view the country.
  
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40. Re: Hell, it's about time. by kilfarsnar · 2017-03-29 02:22 · Score: 1
  
  What policies has Russia benefited from so far?
  People keep saying Trump sucks Putins dick but how is Russia winning right now?
  It's not a huge benefit, but you asked.
  http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-administration-relaxes-u-s-sanctions-on-russia-imposed-under-obama/
  
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41. Re:Hell, it's about time. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 02:26 · Score: 0
  
  Trump used Twitter to bypass the media and avoid having his words scrutinised before they entered his supporter's brains. That's why he is at war with the media - he's like a used car salesman trying to keep you away from the mechanic trying to tell you that it's a clunker.
  The mechanic is known to be crooked in this case. It's not as cut and dry as you make it. There are a lot of us, myself included for whom his hatred of the media rings incredibly true. Honestly, I see a brainwashed population, and if I have to choose who is most likely lying between Trump and the media, most of the time, I think the media is lying before I think Trump is lying. Now, they both may be liars, but him disagreeing with the media doesn't mean anything. The MSM is completely controlled by the shadow powers at this point. The media is downright treasonous. The fact that he is an enemy of the media is a positive thing to many of us.
42. Re:Hell, it's about time. by Shatrat · 2017-03-29 02:31 · Score: 2
  
  They did nothing in 1914 that wasn't being done by other European nations. The fine was not for entering the war, but for losing it. That's why after WW2 we took the opposite approach with the Marshall plan.
  
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43. Re:Hell, it's about time. by lgw · 2017-03-29 02:45 · Score: 1, Insightful
  
  Trump used Twitter to bypass the media and avoid having his words scrutinised before they entered his supporter's brains.
  How dare the president talk directly to the voters in a democracy! Well, I never! It's a scandal, not letting the press tell the peasants what they're supposed to think. This whole country is going to fail, given the way people are thinking unapproved thoughts and having unapproved fun. Why won't they just listen to their betters? It's for their own good!
  
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44. Re:Hell, it's about time. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 03:25 · Score: 0
  
  This "rich people are necessary" bootlicking mentality that kills me, fascist fuck face. I feel billionaire funded "think tanks" have a lot to play in that part.
  http://lifehacker.com/the-perfect-salary-for-happiness-by-state-1605278164
45. Re:Hell, it's about time. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 03:28 · Score: 0
  
  ...because bankers and oil guys rely on sillicon valley. Did you think all their systems run on pixie dust and unicorn farts?
46. Re:Hell, it's about time. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 03:30 · Score: 0
  
  ...which is pretty much every president ever...
  Name one president that wasn't already independently wealthy.
47. Re:Hell, it's about time. by OrangeTide · 2017-03-29 03:42 · Score: 1
  
  You mean other than Abraham Lincoln? He may have married into a rich family, but he only owned a single family home.
  George Washington on the other hand was quite wealthy.
  
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48. Re:Hell, it's about time. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 04:13 · Score: 0
  
  Trump used Twitter to bypass the media and avoid having his words scrutinised before they entered his supporter's brains.
  How dare the president talk directly to the voters in a democracy! Well, I never! It's a scandal, not letting the press tell the peasants what they're supposed to think. This whole country is going to fail, given the way people are thinking unapproved thoughts and having unapproved fun. Why won't they just listen to their betters? It's for their own good!
  Hilarious - if missing the point.
  Notice the word "scrutinised". This is what a free press is supposed to do. Not because they are our "betters", but because they have the time, training & resources to do so. Then they can present the facts & allow us to make up our own minds. It is possible for an individual to do the same, but IMO it's the usual story - competence is inversely proportional to confidence.
49. Re: Hell, it's about time. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 04:28 · Score: 0
  
  They get away with "less than 10% of the spending" because the US Navy almost single-handedly secures worldwide sea lanes for international commerce. Like the Dutch Navy, British Navy and East India Company beforehand.
50. Re:Hell, it's about time. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 04:29 · Score: 0
  
  Notice the word "scrutinised". This is what a free press is supposed to do. Not because they are our "betters", but because they have the time, training & resources to do so. Then they can present the facts & allow us to make up our own minds.
  
  But, the media don't present facts. They present falsehoods and conjecture masquerading as facts.
  
  It is possible for an individual to do the same, but IMO it's the usual story - competence is inversely proportional to confidence.
  Never seen this correlation myself. I would be surprised if there is any statistically significant correlation. Most likely, this is what timid people tell themselves to feel smarter.
51. Re:Hell, it's about time. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 04:38 · Score: 0
  
  You just described every member of the legislative branch, you know that right?
52. Re:Hell, it's about time. by gnick · 2017-03-29 05:44 · Score: 1
  
  How dare the president talk directly to the voters in a democracy!
  I'm all for the president having a line to the people - It's the sole reason I installed Twitter. If I hadn't, I wouldn't know that Snoop's career is failing - Thanks @POTUS! The problem is that he's often so full of shit or so far off in the weeds that it makes the whole damn country look foolish. I check Twitter every morning before work to see if he's tweeted anything that could damage my world.
  
  It's a scandal, not letting the press tell the peasants what they're supposed to think.
  Recently, when the press has told "the peasants what to think" in conflict with the White House, it's because the White House is just wrong. It started day one with the crowd size alternative facts and has just gotten worse with, for example, the millions of illegal Hillary votes or the wiretap Obama ordered.
  
  This whole country is going to fail, given the way people are thinking unapproved thoughts and having unapproved fun. Why won't they just listen to their betters? It's for their own good!
  Have "our betters" been barring open thought and fun? I missed that chapter. I'd like to believe that I think for myself. I don't believe in fun.
  
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  He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.
53. Re:Hell, it's about time. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 05:47 · Score: 0
  
  But, the media don't present facts. They present falsehoods and conjecture masquerading as facts.
  Are you suggesting that the MSM has been doing an inferior job fact-checking compared to Trump's White House? I've got to call a giant load of bull shit on that one.
54. Re:Hell, it's about time. by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · 2017-03-29 05:50 · Score: 1
  
  Trump is Schrodinger's president. He can be both an isolationist hate filled xenophobe and a globalist sellout at the same time, whichever his detractors think is worse in the moment!
  Queue the mental gymnastics trying to show the president is a white supremacist yet is selling out his nation.
  While being an isolationist and a globalist is a contradiction, there's nothing at all about being a white supremacist that would prevent such a person from selling out their nation. No mental gymnastics required.
  
  Your post made me think of last year how someone pointed out that some people accused Hillary Clinton of being a cold blooded killer who ordered the death of anybody who might expose her crimes, yet somehow she was at the same time too weak to deal with Putin.
55. Re:Hell, it's about time. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 06:20 · Score: 0
  
  Your snark is noted and appreciated. Yes, for most Presidents, a direct communications channel to the voters would be a good thing.
  For Trump this is not a good thing. Trump has no inner voice, no editor. He shoots his mouth off on Twitter and cares not a bit about the consequence. Presidential words matter but Trump's words do not matter, and that leaves the rest of us at an impasse. Do we believe Trump's words or not? Is a President who does not act Presidential, actually a President? Are we dealing with a man-child here?
  Trump is a loose cannon and he's a danger to himself and others. He constantly drifts off message, or revisits past glories at totally inappropriate times, or inserts random thoughts about what he might do.
  Twitter is not a tool Trump should be using. He won't stop using it because it feeds his ego and Trump likes nothing so much as hearing his own voice. And so we all get the messy, chaotic, ego-stroking and ADD thought snippets that are more like the mental wanderings of a peripatetic ferret than a President.
56. Re:Hell, it's about time. by lgw · 2017-03-29 06:38 · Score: 1
  
  Do you think the voters know more or less about Trump as a result of his twitter feed? Do you believe there will be any confusion about who Trump is come November 2020? I think Trump's Twitter feed is a historic landmark in the evolution of democracy.
  
  Have "our betters" been barring open thought and fun? I missed that chapter.
  Have you missed the entire culture war? Anita Sarkesian tells us were having wrongfun if we enjoy mainstream video games. The folks at WorldCon tell us we're having wrongfun if we enjoy good SF books without regard to the political leanings of the authors. Hell, wear the wrong shit when you celebrate landing a space ship on a comet, and you're having doubleplus wrongfun.
  I can only hope there's a special Hell reserved for moral scolds.
  
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57. Re:Hell, it's about time. by gnick · 2017-03-29 06:54 · Score: 1
  
  Do you think the voters know more or less about Trump as a result of his twitter feed? Do you believe there will be any confusion about who Trump is come November 2020?
  We definitely know more about Trump from his Twitter feed. He's painted himself as a thin-skinned, reactionary conspiracy-theorist. This is a good thing - I want to know as much about the candidates as possible. The bad side is the impression he's giving the world.
  
  I think Trump's Twitter feed is a historic landmark in the evolution of democracy.
  Me too. That doesn't mean I think it's a net positive in this case.
  
  Anita Sarkesian tells us were having wrongfun if we enjoy mainstream video games. The folks at WorldCon tell us we're having wrongfun if we enjoy good SF books without regard to the political leanings of the authors.
  Who the fuck is Anita Sarkesian and why should anyone care if she or WorldCon don't encourage or condone what I do? Are these examples of "my betters"? I don't feel oppressed. I guess "unapproved fun" is only important to me if I give a shit about the approval.
  
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58. Re:Hell, it's about time. by lgw · 2017-03-29 07:17 · Score: 1
  
  I guess "unapproved fun" is only important to me if I give a shit about the approval.
  Yes, that is the winning move in the culture wars (... not to play). Sadly, it's a lot harder to make that move for struggling authors, indie game devs, and so on, reliant on social media and established forums to raise awareness of their existence.
  
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59. Re:Hell, it's about time. by OrangeTide · 2017-03-29 07:43 · Score: 1
  
  Indeed, you can't betray what you never respected.
  
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  “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
60. Re:Hell, it's about time. by luis_a_espinal · 2017-03-29 10:09 · Score: 1
  
  We will no longer surrender this country, or its people, to the false song of globalism.
  Globalism works. Now if you are incapable to compete, then shit, you are out of luck, but whose fault is that? Specially in a versatile industry such as software and IT?
  Obviously it can be done better, and many of the pains we see have nothing to do with globalism but with this country having
  1) an inexcusable lack of basic social contracts,
  2) millions of people (mostly males in their late 30's and 40's) who are, also inexcusable, illiterate (and I'm not talking about uneducated immigrants, but US born citizens),
  3) entire regions that have been chronically and systematically poor since fucking forever, predating globalization,
  4) a non-existent vocational education system for adults (specially for adults who lose their jobs and need to switch gears.)
  The Japanese overtook America in car manufacturing in 1972, due to incompetence and complacency. That's 45 years ago. Coal has been bleeding jobs since the 1930's, more than 80 years ago. Steel has been bleeding jobs since it started recycling, decades ago.
  People act as if globalism is a new phenomenon that wreck their innocent lives for no reason, and that they, unlike every other fucking human being in history, must be sheltered for competition, and their incompetence rewarded.
  Lie yourself if you must with this bullshit.
61. Re:Hell, it's about time. by squiggleslash · 2017-03-30 03:56 · Score: 1
  
  Anita Sarkesian tells us were having wrongfun if we enjoy mainstream video games
  
  No, she's never said anything remotely similar. In fact, most of her videos start with her, fruitlessly apparently, pointing out it's totally OK to enjoy media that has themes that could be critiqued.
  
  . The folks at WorldCon tell us we're having wrongfun if we enjoy good SF books without regard to the political leanings of the authors
  
  The only people who have told us we need to vote for science fiction books on the basis of the ideologies they represent are the two puppies groups, who were formed because they didn't like the opinions implied or expressed by recent Hugo winners, winners selected by over 10,000 ordinary science fiction readers. Worldcon is not one of the puppies groups.
  It sounds, to me, that you're living in the right wing bubble, where people tell each other nonsense about liberals, and even do the exact things they claim not to do. When was the last time a Sarkeesian critic saw a game with, say, a black medieval knight or a transgender galactic gunslinger, and said "I'm totally fine with that and not going to complain at all, I personally don't like games like that, but I appreciate there's an audience for people who do"?
  
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62. Re:Hell, it's about time. by Hognoxious · 2017-03-31 09:10 · Score: 1
  
  I don't recall Italy invading a declared neutral country or France sinking a passenger liner.
  
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Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 13:34 · Score: 2, Insightful

Is anyone surprised given their names? People that grew-up outside of the US just aren't exposed to our moral and ethical systems. Every Indian or Pakistani I've worked for has broken the law. They just don't care.
1. Re: Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 13:43 · Score: 0, Troll
  
  This. They don't grow up with the same ethics we do.
2. Re:Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 13:51 · Score: 0
  
  All Indians and Pakistanis are criminals. Got it.
3. Re:Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 14:01 · Score: 0
  
  Why did you hyphenate "grew up"? Grew up is exactly what you want, "grew-up" would be a noun, and doesn't make sense in your sentence. Or at all for that matter.
4. Re: Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 14:04 · Score: 0
  
  Erm, most Americans have ethics? You're kidding me right? The song of business is to optimize until the risks of being caught outweigh the benefits.
5. Re:Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 14:17 · Score: 0
  
  From what I've seen working for tech companies in San Mateo, CA and in Seattle, WA, yes. The GP is correct that they have the same morals and respect for laws that Americans do.
6. Re:Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by gl4ss · 2017-03-28 14:18 · Score: 0
  
  broken the law? were those felonies? because you know how american law is.
  and wait a sec.. you have an ethical and moral system but no universal healthcare "BECAUSE OMG IT COSTS MONEYYY AND WE AS AMERICANS AARE SOOOOOO POOOOOOR".
  okay, got it.
  
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7. Re:Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 14:23 · Score: 1
  
  What does universal healthcare have to do with ethics or morals? We ARE so poor, in fact the majority of Americans have a negative net worth once you divide the current national debt into per-citizen shares. A frighteningly large number of young people have a negative net worth BEFORE taking into account the national debt.
  We already siphon off a majority of our tax revenue from a minority of taxpayers. The idea that there is some vast, untapped source of wealth for the American government to draw upon is a sham.
  The house of cards will fall apart eventually.
8. Re: Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 14:23 · Score: 0
  
  When you starve if you don't lie, cheat, and steal of course they don't respect honest people.
9. Re: Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 14:35 · Score: 0
  
  This. They didn't grow up with the same ethics we did.
10. Re:Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 15:05 · Score: 0
  
  You are correct. We have different standards for morales and ethics.
11. Re: Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 15:08 · Score: 0
  
  How could they when they probably needed to steal to get enough to eat? Too bad they brought the same lack of morals to this country.
12. Re: Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 15:36 · Score: 0
  
  The more uncommon the name, the less common the ethics.
13. Re:Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by sjames · 2017-03-28 15:36 · Score: 1
  
  There are a great many measures we could take on the supply side to make healthcare costs reasonable enough that people could afford it without insurance (that used to be common). The U.S. can't be bothered to take any of those steps.
14. Re:Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 16:00 · Score: 0
  
  WELL, i dont know about all, but i did sit in court when a paki landlord tried to explain that his illegalities were just doing business. he seemed ready to bribe the judge in court. he was later found guilty of sex trafficking and human trafficking. it was pretty obvious that he was a POS in every dimension. my gf hated him (he was her landlord briefly). i agree that most dont get exposed to the concept of justice or rule of law if from pakistan
15. Re:Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 16:07 · Score: 0
  
  And that is why the West won.
16. Re: Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by clovis · 2017-03-28 16:24 · Score: 4, Interesting
  
  I was taking a non-professional course on the law a few months ago. IANAL. The other attendees were attorneys, college professors, and the like.
  The attorney making the presentation that day was talking about a hospital doctor accused of making a mistake and who denied that he had done what he was accused of. The people initially involved in the investigation at this point were just the patient and the doctor, so at this point it was just a he said/she said situation.
  The attorney wanted to mention a couple of cultural differences. The doctor was extremely upset that someone had basically accused him of not telling the truth. The attorney said that the doctor felt like in his culture his reputation was the most important thing about him and so he said that he could never say anything that was untrue. And furthermore, anyone contradicting him was committing a grave insult so that's why the nurses should not be asked to testify. Someone asked, "what was his culture that truthful reputation was so important", and the presenter said "Well, he's from India".
  I have never heard a group of lawyers and college professors laugh so hard. It was several minutes before they calmed down.
17. Re: Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 16:55 · Score: 0
  
  India, pharmaceuticals, and ethics.
  http://fortune.com/2013/05/15/...
  What kind of assholes are these, that they would make bogus HIV drugs knowing that the fake drugs are causing people to die. We're talking about hundreds of thousands of early deaths, and perhaps millions. Their watered down antibiotics are probably a major cause of why antibiotic resistance is so prevalent there.
  What's sad about this story is that Ranbaxy is not an unusual case.
  http://www.reuters.com/article...
18. Re: Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 17:04 · Score: 1
  
  Erm, most Americans have ethics? You're kidding me right? The song of business is to optimize until the risks of being caught outweigh the benefits.
  And we know this is true because everyone in America is a businessman.
  There aren't any teachers, nurses, garbagemen, carpenters, truckers, bank tellers, etc in the USA. No one works on an assembly line making cars, nor in a factory processing chickens. We are all millionaires and run some business where we cheat as much as possible while hoping the losses from getting caught aren't too much.
  And you forgot to mention that we'll all white people in the USA. We have no blacks, but if we did, they would all be on the board of directors of corporations trying to think of new ways to skirt the edge of the law.
19. Re:Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by OrangeTide · 2017-03-28 17:18 · Score: 1
  
  Man! Growing up in the Mid-west I've been ripped off by white Americans more often than any other race or nationality. It might have to do with all the used car salesmen in Michigan, and shady mechanics that will swap in refurbished parts but charge you for OEM if they think you're not a "car guy".
  The lesson is more about you shouldn't trust business people, rather than race XYZ has a culture that doesn't respect the law. What you're actually thinking of is business culture.
  
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20. Re:Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 17:22 · Score: 2, Interesting
  
  All Indians and Pakistanis are criminals. Got it.
  About 9 out of 10 in my experience, but it helps to understand where they come from. In India and Pakistan the governments are run by corrupt thieves who won't lift a finger without a bribe. In fact government bureaucrats are so corrupt over there that practically the only thing they won't steal is a red hot stove. It's quite literally impossible to get anything official done in India or Pakistan without at least a few bribes and the laws are such that just about every transaction in life passes through the domain of some petty bureaucrat with his hand out for a bribe. In other words, it's completely corrupt over there. The problem arises when these Indians and Pakistanis come to a comparatively more honest country, like the United States, where we don't run things that way. They start using their old bag of tricks and then are surprised when Americans or Europeans call them out on it. You see, in their minds laws are nothing more than rules made to be broken or bypassed, morals don't even enter into their calculus on such matters.
21. Re:Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 17:34 · Score: 0
  
  Every Indian or Pakistani I've worked for has broken the law.
  
  I've worked for
  
  worked for
  
  for
22. Re:Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 17:40 · Score: 0
  
  Maybe that has more to do with tech companies ...
23. Re: Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 17:46 · Score: 0
  
  And most of the Americans I have met are ignorant hypocrites who have also committed criminal acts.
  Morals and ethics in America ?
  Which century are you living in ?
  Morality and ethical living failed in America in about 1910..
  "The world's policeman",what a laugh,it would be hystericaly funny,if itbdidnt cost so many innocent lives everyday..
24. Re:Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by nedlohs · 2017-03-28 18:15 · Score: 1
  
  Seriously, you can't see what ethics and morals might have to do with deciding whether people in need of healthcare should be cared for or discarded?
  You can't see what ethics and morals might have to do with determining whether to take money by force from some people in order to give it to other people?
  What domains do you actually think have something to do with ethics and morals?!?
25. Re: Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 21:30 · Score: 0
  
  Bullshit. Let quack medicine increase the supply? Just like insurance policies that don't cover essential services?
26. Re:Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 23:02 · Score: 0
  
  Is anyone surprised given their names? People that grew-up outside of the US just aren't exposed to our moral and ethical systems. Every Indian or Pakistani I've worked for has broken the law. They just don't care.
  Everybody has broken the law. Every time you go over the speed limit, you're breaking the law.
  In my experience, most Indian/Pakistani do not break laws. The penalty of being caught breaking the law is far worse than locals. When was the last time you saw an Indian/Pakistani in a mugshot roundup involved in a DUI or drugs or prostitution or domestic violence?
  The only law they ever seem to break are fraud, more visa fraud - stuff that would not even be illegal for us. H1B is all about creating a second class tech worker and it has all sorts of restrictions and bureaucracy for the sake of keeping that second class citizen second class. They get a little too creative with it and we get mad that the second class citizen wants to be a first class citizen. Why don't stay in their place? How dare they want things like career advancement, their own business or even just to build their life without the threat of it all being dismantled anytime and told to leave?
27. Re: Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 23:12 · Score: 0
  
  When you starve if you don't lie, cheat, and steal of course they don't respect honest people.
  Actually, foreigners have told me the opposite.
  In other countries, it not only matters that you do something but also how you do it.
  In America, how you do something does not matter. It's only what you do that matters. In fact, we laud people for "out-smarting" or beating the system.
28. Re: Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 23:48 · Score: 0
  
  Their kind are no good.
29. Re: Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by Highdude702 · 2017-03-29 01:34 · Score: 1
  
  Maybe stop letting them into our once beautiful country? Just an idea..
30. Re: Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 01:38 · Score: 0
  
  Equivocation is the last refuge of the guilty. Foreigners suck,
31. Re:Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by StayFrosty · 2017-03-29 02:14 · Score: 1
  
  I don't disagree that the health care situation in the US is a complete shitshow, but your argument doesn't hold up.
  
  people in need of healthcare should be cared for or discarded?
  In the US, any hospital that accepts Medicare (so pretty much all of them) have to provide an exam to decide whether a patient's condition is considered an emergency medical condition (EMC). If it is, they are required to stabilize the patient regardless of ability to pay. This is part of the EMTALA and has been in effect since 1986. Prior to this, hospitals had a habit of dumping or transferring patients who couldn't pay regardless of condition.
  We still have a long way to go, but at least patients aren't "discarded" outright anymore.
  
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32. Re:Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by kilfarsnar · 2017-03-29 02:56 · Score: 1
  
  What does universal healthcare have to do with ethics or morals? We ARE so poor, in fact the majority of Americans have a negative net worth once you divide the current national debt into per-citizen shares. A frighteningly large number of young people have a negative net worth BEFORE taking into account the national debt.
  We already siphon off a majority of our tax revenue from a minority of taxpayers. The idea that there is some vast, untapped source of wealth for the American government to draw upon is a sham.
  The house of cards will fall apart eventually.
  Yeah, but that's an irrelevant analysis. The national debt never has to be paid back. It just gets rolled over. The US borrows in a currency it can print. Debt is irrelevant to a monetary sovereign. The US can just create some Treasury bonds and pay it off. That's right; pay off debt with more debt. That's all money is anyway.
  But you're probably right, that the house of cards (debt) will eventually collapse.
  
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33. Re: Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 02:58 · Score: 0
  
  #MAGA, amirite?
34. Re:Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by nedlohs · 2017-03-29 03:26 · Score: 1
  
  The only argument I made was the healthcare provision is in the domain of ethics and morals (and other domains of course, such as economics).
  Since I didn't make any claims or inferences about the US healthcare system I can't see how details about it can have any relevance to my argument holding up or not.
35. Re: Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 04:02 · Score: 0
  
  Hi Hitler, how's it going down there?
36. Re: Jayavel Murugan...Syed Nawaz by sjames · 2017-03-29 05:33 · Score: 1
  
  Not at all necessary or useful. There are a number of ways to streamline regulations without compromising quality (hint, it involves removing corruption, ossified bureaucracy, and sweetheart IP restrictions). The U.K. spends 1/4 what the U.S. does per capita and gets better outcomes than we do. It has been done, therefore it can be done.
  One means would be single payer. There's a lot of bargaining power to be had when you represent 300 million people.
I hope the Feds destroy their lives. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 13:38 · Score: 3, Insightful

The "alleged" behavior is wrong in so many ways it's hard to even know where to begin. Damaged parties include the US government,
the LEGAL US workers who didn't get jobs because of these swine, the illegally "imported" workers who were quite likely screwed by
the perpetrators skimming significant percetages of their wages, etc.
It's a shame these pieces of shit couldn't just be stoned to death as a public example.
1. Re:I hope the Feds destroy their lives. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 17:22 · Score: 0
  
  You mean the legal foreign worker who did not get the job. A fraudulent H1B position would have only displaced a legal H1B position.
2. Re: I hope the Feds destroy their lives. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 17:48 · Score: 0
  
  But why,they have learnt and understood the American dream perfectly,success,at any cost..
3. Re:I hope the Feds destroy their lives. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 19:51 · Score: 0
  
  would have only displaced a legal H1B position.
  ......which had actually displaced a naturalized citizen.
4. Re: I hope the Feds destroy their lives. by Hognoxious · 2017-03-28 22:55 · Score: 1
  
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Can't be by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 13:52 · Score: 0

The USA, with 300 000 000 people and about 3 000 000 universities, clearly has a shortage of STEM graduates.
1. Re:Can't be by molarmass192 · 2017-03-28 13:57 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  Got me thinking for a second there, didn't know how many universities there were here in 'merica. In case anybody gets asked on Jeopardy, it's 2474. Not quite 3M, but still almost 50 ***per state***!!!
  
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2. Re:Can't be by Octorian · 2017-03-28 14:39 · Score: 1
  
  When I was growing up, I'd hear big engineering companies loudly say this while simultaneously having constant layoffs of all the STEM people they did employ. (Okay, it was mostly aerospace, but still.)
  Now I hear big tech companies also saying this, while seemingly focusing on a handful of universities they actually pay attention to for recruiting efforts. (Didn't go to Stanford? You might as well not have a STEM degree.)
  Then again, I can say that there is an extreme shortage of Americans with *graduate* level STEM degrees. Just go into any grad-school area of any major STEM department at any university. Just try and find the Americans there. Good luck if you even get past one hand in counting them.
  (Undergraduate, on the other hand, has plenty of Americans.)
3. Re:Can't be by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 23:22 · Score: 0
  
  When I was growing up, I'd hear big engineering companies loudly say this while simultaneously having constant layoffs of all the STEM people they did employ. (Okay, it was mostly aerospace, but still.)
  Now I hear big tech companies also saying this, while seemingly focusing on a handful of universities they actually pay attention to for recruiting efforts. (Didn't go to Stanford? You might as well not have a STEM degree.)
  Then again, I can say that there is an extreme shortage of Americans with *graduate* level STEM degrees. Just go into any grad-school area of any major STEM department at any university. Just try and find the Americans there. Good luck if you even get past one hand in counting them.
  (Undergraduate, on the other hand, has plenty of Americans.)
  STEM is an immigration word. The word was created to prefer certain types of immigrants, STEM immigrants over others.
  Only engineering graduate schools are like that. Who would go to graduate school with an engineering degree? Work 80+ hours a week for $16,000/year paycheck for the next five years or if you'd like to do a masters pay $150,000 for the privilege that adds nothing to your bachelor's degree.
4. Re: Can't be by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 23:46 · Score: 0
  
  Here's the rub about foreign STEM grad students: they generally pay full price tuition with no US-based financial aid (I.e. from the university's perspective they're cash cows), unlike many US citizens. I work at a very large state university in a physics department and that's why we recruit them. I'm sure Stanford et al are merit based, but here we have some real fucking idiots at the MS and Phd level from India, China, Pakistan, etc. we also have a couple of really good ones as well.
5. Re:Can't be by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 00:50 · Score: 0
  
  When I went to do my MS the classes were pretty close to 50% American and 50% Chinese.
6. Re:Can't be by parkinglot777 · 2017-03-29 01:32 · Score: 1
  
  Got me thinking for a second there, didn't know how many universities there were here in 'merica. In case anybody gets asked on Jeopardy, it's 2474. Not quite 3M, but still almost 50 ***per state***!!!
  From this wikipedia, there seems to be a lot less than 2,474 universities... I guess the number you mentioned is also included Devry, ITT Tech, U of Phoenix, etc.?
7. Re:Can't be by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 01:44 · Score: 0
  
  Why go into STEM jobs when you know you will be replaced by someone being paid half what you make.
  I only get paid now about 3/4 of what I made in the 90's. My income has remained almost steady since 2002, with very little increase year after year.
  I had a steady group of friends that we all at one time worked together at various job. I would say that number is about 10 plus or minus a few. I can't remember all names and faces going back that far.
  Slowly but surely all of them but one had got out of programming/engineering. I still talk to the one remaining person other than me about every 4 to 6 months. Both of us are just existing and living the lower middle class life.
  We both stay because this is our passion. Neither of us have fancy houses or cars. Both of us have had wives leave for other relationships where both of us believe lack of money was the real issue.
  If I had to do it all over again, I would have left this industry long ago too.
  Why would any college kid in his right mind want to go into a STEM's job knowing for the rest of his life he would be living the lower middle class life at best?
  Starting out at Wal-Mart and working as hard as I have in my jobs, a college grad could eventually work his/her way up to management and be making more than I am now or ever make.
  Wages in STEMs positions will be suppressed for a long time even if there is an attempt to weed out fraud in the H1-B visa program.
  It will become even more suppressed once the people that started the STEM jobs in the late 80's and early 90's retire out and replaced with college grads and other H1-B visa holders.
  Why go $100,000 in debt on an area of work that will take 20 years to pay off and then hope to retire on social security that will be non-existent by the time that they retire.
  It is easy to understand why nobody wants to obtain that degree any more.
8. Re:Can't be by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 01:53 · Score: 0
  
  Universities are a bigger cult than Scientology!
9. Re:Can't be by WDot · 2017-03-29 02:23 · Score: 1
  
  This is only state universities (i.e. universities that get funding from a state government). The two biggest universities in my town (University of Rochester and Rochester Institute of Technology) are not in that list, and they are definitely not diploma mills.
What's so important about Syed Nawaz's age? by techno-vampire · 2017-03-28 13:53 · Score: 3, Interesting

Why does TFS go out of its way to tell us that Syed Nawaz is 40, while not mentioning how old Jayavel Murugan is. Is there something significant about being 40 that I'm missing?

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1. Re:What's so important about Syed Nawaz's age? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 14:33 · Score: 0
  
  Why does TFS go out of its way to tell us that Syed Nawaz is 40, while not mentioning how old Jayavel Murugan is. Is there something significant about being 40 that I'm missing?
  Dunno. Why did you go out of your way to focus on the most irrelevant piece of information in the entire fucking summary?
  Who gives a shit if they mentioned it or not.
2. Re:What's so important about Syed Nawaz's age? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 14:36 · Score: 0
  
  Yes, if you're 40 and still coding instead of frauding, you're a failure basically.
3. Re: What's so important about Syed Nawaz's age? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 14:37 · Score: 0
  
  Perhaps so a 23 year old Syed Nawaz doesn't get slammed with (as much) hate mail?
  I have a relatively uncommon name but Google tells me that there is another gentleman with my name who is apparently an 82 year old runner.
4. Re:What's so important about Syed Nawaz's age? by amiga3D · 2017-03-28 15:50 · Score: 1
  
  Maybe it implies that he's likely to be in prison for the rest of his life. I hope so.
5. Re:What's so important about Syed Nawaz's age? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 22:25 · Score: 0
  
  Why does TFS go out of its way to tell us that Syed Nawaz is 40, while not mentioning how old Jayavel Murugan is. Is there something significant about being 40 that I'm missing?
  RTFA. Murugan is 46.
6. Re:What's so important about Syed Nawaz's age? by necro81 · 2017-03-29 00:26 · Score: 2
  
  Why does TFS go out of its way to tell us that Syed Nawaz is 40, while not mentioning how old Jayavel Murugan is. Is there something significant about being 40 that I'm missing?
  Ah, see, that's called editing. We don't do that here.
7. Re:What's so important about Syed Nawaz's age? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 00:42 · Score: 0
  
  If you had kept reading you would have learned that Murugan is 46.
Only 2 guys, and only 26 counts? by Narcocide · 2017-03-28 13:54 · Score: 5, Insightful

That's not even a dent in this problem. Laundering H1B visas is the mainstay of the IT industry.
1. Re:Only 2 guys, and only 26 counts? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 14:33 · Score: 0
  
  That's because they'll never go after the big companies. They're political donors and with Citizens United actual people.
2. Re:Only 2 guys, and only 26 counts? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 22:50 · Score: 0
  
  And they're going to keep doing it, until they've reduced an experienced and educated IT person's salary down to the level of entry-level janitorial services.
3. Re:Only 2 guys, and only 26 counts? by parkinglot777 · 2017-03-29 01:35 · Score: 1
  
  How??? The investigation started way BEFORE he got in. So how could he take the credit and get +inf% from???
Jayavel Murugan and Syed Nawaz by sycodon · 2017-03-28 14:25 · Score: 5, Funny

Doing the fraud Americans won't do.

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1. Re:Jayavel Murugan and Syed Nawaz by LifesABeach · 2017-03-28 23:22 · Score: 1
  
  You have no idea how refreshing H1B Visa Fraud is in America, right now.
2. Re:Jayavel Murugan and Syed Nawaz by thomn8r · 2017-03-29 02:14 · Score: 0
  
  Doing the fraudful
  Thank you, come again!
You live in a big leftist city, right? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 14:33 · Score: 5, Interesting

There are still plenty of Americans who do business on a handshake, do not ever screw eachother on business, and never need the courts to resolve business arguments. There are many American businessmen who will help their competitors when those competitors suffer a natural disaster or a family emergency. Get out of NYC, LA, SF, Chicago, etc and you'll find lots of decent civilized Americans.
Of course, if you live in a typical magalopolis populated by amoral idiots, then all bets are off... and ultimately even the courts cannot save you because the judges, witnesses and jury members do not believe in and uphold oaths.
Just sayin.
1. Re:You live in a big leftist city, right? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 16:34 · Score: 1
  
  That's been my experience as well.
  Most of my family and relatives are small-city small-business owners, and for them their customers are like family to them. Cheating a customer is something they just cannot do. Sure there are asshats, clowns, and liars in the average sized city, but it's a minority. And there are some small cities that are nothing more than a continuing criminal enterprise. But they're a minority.
  I moved to the "big city" some years ago, and around here lying about whatever is SOP for even the most trivial of things. I no longer believe anything anyone says to me unless I've known them 10 years.
2. Re:You live in a big leftist city, right? by sexconker · 2017-03-28 18:27 · Score: 2
  
  Get out of NYC, LA, SF, Chicago, etc and you'll find lots of decent civilized Americans.
  This is very fucking accurate. So many people have no fucking clue what the USA is because they've been stuck in overcrowded cities with no humanity their entire lives. The sad part is that they mock anyone who doesn't live in a big city, calling them ignorant, backwards, intolerant etc. when those labels more accurately fit themselves.
3. Re:You live in a big leftist city, right? by FooAtWFU · 2017-03-28 19:57 · Score: 2
  
  While I won't disagree with the sentiments about how feasible it is to conduct business, as I've never attempted it in the described territories, I have a very close friend attempting to regain custody of her child where, at the father's request, the judge agreed to postpone the case from December until the end of turkey-hunting season.
  This is a special local quirk for the jurisdiction, but more generally, when the degree of social cohesion in an area is just a bit too good then the good-old-boy networks turn into a source of abuse, not of strength.
  
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4. Re:You live in a big leftist city, right? by Oligonicella · 2017-03-28 21:58 · Score: 1
  
  You have some kind of argument against someone requesting a delay? Happens all the time for many, many reasons. It's also not that big a hardship as turkey season is typically about a month or so. Hell, people request delays in trials for vacations. This is not abuse unless wives are refused delays on request.
5. Re:You live in a big leftist city, right? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 22:45 · Score: 0
  
  There are still plenty of Americans who do business on a handshake, do not ever screw eachother on business, and never need the courts to resolve business arguments. There are many American businessmen who will help their competitors when those competitors suffer a natural disaster or a family emergency. Get out of NYC, LA, SF, Chicago, etc and you'll find lots of decent civilized Americans.
  Of course, if you live in a typical magalopolis populated by amoral idiots, then all bets are off... and ultimately even the courts cannot save you because the judges, witnesses and jury members do not believe in and uphold oaths.
  Just sayin.
  LOL. Yeah right.
  Every mechanic shop will screw you. Cops with tickets will screw you. Landlords will screw you.
  It feels like people are moral and such because you have enough money and resources. Try being broke and starting out somewhere.
6. Re:You live in a big leftist city, right? by Howitzer86 · 2017-03-28 23:47 · Score: 2
  
  Out of curiosity, when do you think a city is too big? I have a friend telling me I should move to the bigger ones, especially on the coasts to get a better understanding of what's happening to us politically and socially. Talking to him makes me feel like I'm living in Mayberry. I want to be able to say that he's being overly dramatic, but he (and you) may have a point.
7. Re: You live in a big leftist city, right? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 00:58 · Score: 0
  
  If you look around you and ink everyone is out to screw you, then you're the one with an ethics problem.
8. Re:You live in a big leftist city, right? by Opportunist · 2017-03-29 01:20 · Score: 1
  
  Yes. And you will notice that all of them without fail are companies where "the boss" is either the founder of the company, the direct heir of the founder or he actually IS the company, plus maybe a worker or two, but he himself is very much hands-on with the actual product and not some C-Level-title floating aloof above the peasants working for him.
  That's why I try to do business with smaller companies rather than corporations when I can. They DO usually care about their name and reputation.
  
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9. Re:You live in a big leftist city, right? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 01:41 · Score: 0
  
  1) limited time period
  2) some part of scheduling is out of requester's control
  3) not postponing could cause some form of loss (monetary or otherwise)
  4) postponing does not cause substantial harm to any party
  I think Turkey hunting meets the first two criteria easily, #3 is a judgement call
  #4 if your friend already lost custody, then from the court's perspective the kid is probably in the best place until your friend proves otherwise. So your friend's harm of not having her kid is being weighed against the welfare of the child....the welfare side is weighted much more heavily.
  It is actually nice to hear of a mother having to fight for custody, usually it is the father who has to fight to even have reasonable involvement and then have to pay for the privilege. The only time I see that happen is when the mother was a fuck-up who has started to turn her life around, which giving them custody over a father who was always there seems wrong to me.
10. Re:You live in a big leftist city, right? by kilfarsnar · 2017-03-29 02:48 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  Get out of NYC, LA, SF, Chicago, etc and you'll find lots of decent civilized Americans.
  This is very fucking accurate. So many people have no fucking clue what the USA is because they've been stuck in overcrowded cities with no humanity their entire lives. The sad part is that they mock anyone who doesn't live in a big city, calling them ignorant, backwards, intolerant etc. when those labels more accurately fit themselves.
  Those overcrowded cities are part of what the USA is. It's a big, diverse country. While people in cities can be assholes, people in rural areas can be pretty hostile to anyone considered an outsider. Different places, different problems.
  
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11. Re:You live in a big leftist city, right? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 04:27 · Score: 0
  
  There are still plenty of Americans who do business on a handshake, do not ever screw eachother on business, and never need the courts to resolve business arguments. There are many American businessmen who will help their competitors when those competitors suffer a natural disaster or a family emergency. Get out of NYC, LA, SF, Chicago, etc and you'll find lots of decent civilized Americans.
  Of course, if you live in a typical magalopolis populated by amoral idiots, then all bets are off... and ultimately even the courts cannot save you because the judges, witnesses and jury members do not believe in and uphold oaths.
  Just sayin.
  Funny how those "decent civilized Americans" are the ones that put an amoral idiot into the Presidency. The citizens of Megalopolis were smart enough to vote for Hillary.
These are the ones who were caught... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 14:48 · Score: 0

It makes me wonder how many other companies are doing this and haven't been caught (yet).
Is this news? by rsilvergun · 2017-03-28 14:48 · Score: 3, Informative

I'm wondering if this is actually news (e.g. that enforcement is starting to happen) or if this has been going on and just not reported? H1-B visa fraud is nothing new. There's videos on youtube with lawyers talking about strategies to game the system. I've known people laid off and promptly replaced by H1-Bs, which by definition is illegal since there was already a qualified American.

So I gotta ask, is this really news? Or just reporting?

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1. Re:Is this news? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 15:17 · Score: 0
  
  It's been going on since the 1990's. As the demographics of Silicon Valley changed as the farmland was infilled, it became harder to find US graduates willing to live in the cheaper areas. So they had to hire people from abroad who were willing to live in those areas. Stanford graduates prefer to live in Palo Alto or Menlo Park and San Francisco.
2. Re: Is this news? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 17:36 · Score: 0
  
  So I gotta ask, is this really news? Or just reporting?
  Last year, the University of Northern New Jersey was announced as a sting operation, about this time of year.
  Want something older?
  Here, from 2009
  I'm sure you could find more in ICE's reports(that article mentions one in 2008), so I don't know what s.petry is thinking. This isn't new at all, after all, the Obama administration deported something around 2 million people. The Bush and Clinton Administrations managed a bit less, but not that much.
  They weren't all people faking marriages.
3. Re:Is this news? by chiguy · 2017-03-28 22:34 · Score: 2
  
  You, like everyone here, get the general intent of the H-1B program correct, but you miss the legal loophole that tech companies put in. It requires companies to prove they're not displacing American workers OR pay H-1B holders $60,000. Guess which option companies choose?
  https://www.theatlantic.com/bu...
  "In 1998—during the tech bubble—lawmakers amended the law to provide more visas at the request of the growing tech industry. At the same time, legislators cracked down on outsourcing companies that were employing large numbers of H-1B workers from Asia, and then contracting them out to American companies looking to save money. Though these consultants are typically called “outsourcing firms,” in a sense their work related to the H-1B visa program is better described as “insourcing,” since what they’re doing is helping companies find workers abroad whom they bring here for new jobs.
  Under the amended law, companies that rely heavily on H-1B workers (more than 15 percent of their workforce) would now face additional scrutiny when applying for visas. These companies would have to promise not only that their H-1B workers would not replace American employees at their own company, but that they wouldn’t be used as replacements at firms that the company had contracts with either.
  The new requirement would have provided some additional security for American workers, but a seemingly small, yet significant exemption was also written into the law. It allows those same H-1B reliant companies to ignore the requirements about protecting American jobs as long as they pay the foreign workers at least $60,000 a year, or hire a foreign worker with a master’s degree. It’s unclear why this exemption was included, though critics of the H-1B program say tech companies lobbied for it to undermine the new, tougher restrictions that might impact their ability to hire foreign workers. Considering the average IT worker in the United States makes far more than $60,000, that exemption makes it lucrative—and legal—for companies to displace American workers with cheaper H-1B workers. And it effectively undoes the additional protections of the 1998 bill."
  
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4. Re:Is this news? by superwiz · 2017-03-28 23:49 · Score: 1
  
  Salaries have NOTHING to do with it. It's about having people who cannot collectively bargain or say anything about dumb management. Or just walk out the door on a whim because their job sucks. It's about freedom. And guess what people are called when they don't have it? I'll give ya a hint. It's not "employees". Give them green cards, or any arguments you make are lies.
  
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5. Re:Is this news? by rhazz · 2017-03-29 00:43 · Score: 1
  
  I don't think this follows the usual narrative of H1-B abuse that most tech companies are doing. What I see most people complaining about is general abuse of what the perceived purpose of the system is, however most of that abuse is perfectly legal within the framework because people have discovered useful loopholes. The idiots in this story were blatantly lying and forging documents.
6. Re:Is this news? by parkinglot777 · 2017-03-29 01:48 · Score: 1
  
  Salaries have NOTHING to do with it...
  Hmm... You aren't logical here. Why there are many people here complaining about cheap labor of H1B?
  Salaries are also a part of reasons why they do it asides from the management point of view. It is easy to hire employees whom can be discarded after 6 years without paying any benefits on top of their salaries. If you own a tech company and want to hire Americans, do you think they want to come to work for you if you can't offer them the salaries+benefits they want? The more experience they have (or think they have), the more money they expect plus some benefits. Nothing wrong with that, but to me it is a bit unrealistic because many people are still living in the tech bubble salary era fantasy.
7. Re:Is this news? by parkinglot777 · 2017-03-29 01:51 · Score: 1
  
  I don't think this follows the usual narrative of H1-B abuse that most tech companies are doing. What I see most people complaining about is general abuse of what the perceived purpose of the system is, however most of that abuse is perfectly legal within the framework because people have discovered useful loopholes. The idiots in this story were blatantly lying and forging documents.
  You don't really know much about the abuse, do you? Most of them (staffing companies) do forging documents at a certain degree. It is just that this one got caught. Small companies (and may be inexperience) like this don't cover their track well...
8. Re:Is this news? by rhazz · 2017-03-29 05:20 · Score: 1
  
  You don't really know much about the abuse, do you?
  I know what I've seen discussed here, and that is usually a case of outsourcing an IT function currently provided by employees to an American outsourcing firm, which itself has H1-Bs. That is apparently legal. I don't buy your assertion that the companies getting away with abuse are forging documents, otherwise we'd see more stories like this, and not about people training their replacements and then losing their job.
9. Re:Is this news? by superwiz · 2017-03-29 05:44 · Score: 1
  
  Hmm... You aren't logical here. Why there are many people here complaining about cheap labor of H1B?
  Because they are stupid or uninformed. A queen bee is the best fed bee in the hive. In many species it also has the most miserable life because it has to carry all the children. See where I am going with this?
  
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10. Re:Is this news? by superwiz · 2017-03-29 05:48 · Score: 1
  
  If you own a tech company and want to hire Americans, do you think they want to come to work for you if you can't offer them the salaries+benefits they want?
  No, I think they want to come work because they love tech. And I mean really, really love tech. If they are smart enough to compete on equal footing with indentured servants, they do something else (unless they really love what they do and are willing to tolerate much lower social status harsher work conditions in order to do what they love).
  
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11. Re:Is this news? by parkinglot777 · 2017-03-29 06:42 · Score: 1
  
  No, I think they want to come work because they love tech. And I mean really, really love tech. If they are smart enough to compete on equal footing with indentured servants, they do something else (unless they really love what they do and are willing to tolerate much lower social status harsher work conditions in order to do what they love).
  Are you really serious??? You may need to look at this again from business instead of from personal point of view...
12. Re:Is this news? by parkinglot777 · 2017-03-29 06:45 · Score: 1
  
  Because they are stupid or uninformed. A queen bee is the best fed bee in the hive. In many species it also has the most miserable life because it has to carry all the children. See where I am going with this?
  I see this, but it is different in humans. Why? Because of human politics, and that already creates a lot more complex relationships than the logic you presented.
13. Re:Is this news? by parkinglot777 · 2017-03-29 06:51 · Score: 1
  
  I know what I've seen discussed here, and that is usually a case of outsourcing an IT function currently provided by employees to an American outsourcing firm, which itself has H1-Bs. That is apparently legal. I don't buy your assertion that the companies getting away with abuse are forging documents, otherwise we'd see more stories like this, and not about people training their replacements and then losing their job.
  Because I experienced in one, but I quited the company before anything got done. It is not my thing and it is illegal. The forging documents do not need to be "legal" paper at all. It could be as simple as a resume (fabricated and submit it to those who want to hire staffs). There are some desperate people who will do whatever they can to stay, so yes there exists. It won't be any big news or stories because those who are involved would never want to disclose. You should know why they don't want to...
14. Re:Is this news? by superwiz · 2017-03-29 16:07 · Score: 1
  
  Are you really serious?
  Yes, I am serious. And I am not talking from a personal point of view. I've examined all the implications of my assumptions. And I have observed the behavior I expected to observe in enough tech firms to make my observations statistically significant.
  
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15. Re:Is this news? by superwiz · 2017-03-29 16:15 · Score: 1
  
  I was replying to an oversimplification with a counterexample. That is how logical arguments proceed. I'll put your quote here again to help you remember what I replied to:
  
  Hmm... You aren't logical here. Why there are many people here complaining about cheap labor of H1B?
  As for this (the emphasis mine):
  
  Because of human politics, and that already creates a lot more complex relationships than the logic you presented.
  Well, yes, and I addressed it in my original argument. Just so you call, here it is.
  
  It's about having people who cannot collectively bargain or say anything about dumb management. Or just walk out the door on a whim because their job sucks. It's about freedom. And guess what people are called when they don't have it? I'll give ya a hint. It's not "employees". Give them green cards, or any arguments you make are lies.
  
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The Difference by SuperKendall · 2017-03-28 15:23 · Score: 2, Informative

He's also appointed former top level Goldman Sachs employees.
The difference is that some of Trump's people USED to be paid by Goldman Sachs.
Hillary (and Obama) were ACTIVLEY BEING PAID by Goldman Sachs.
Just do a quick search at how much GS has contributed to Hillary (~$1 million) vs. Trump ($0).

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1. Re: The Difference by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 16:52 · Score: 0
  
  Sure, if you expect us to ignore how much Trump gets paid by Goldman-Sachs through his corporate corruption. Did you think we were dumb enough to not realize how much money was being fed to him by that route? There's a reason why he's still getting briefings on his corporate empire. As he himself admitted.
  Some blind trust. Oh wait, Trump expected us to be blind to the truth. That'sâ what he meant.
Water is wet..... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 15:40 · Score: 0

Yeah when it rains I noticed the ground gets wet.
When the sun comes up, I noticed the sky gets brighter.
Sometimes if I put my hand near fire, the air feels warmer.....
Tech Bay Area CEOs seems to engage in H1B fraud.... /random musings.....
George Soros, the Rothschilds by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 15:40 · Score: 0

Those names are thrown around all the time on the right, yet somehow other very wealthy people like Trump and those around him, Putin, Russian oligarchs, the Koch brothers, never seem to fit into the "globalist" conspiracy theory.
1. Re:George Soros, the Rothschilds by moeinvt · 2017-03-29 00:42 · Score: 4, Interesting
  
  Wealth is not the determining factor.
  You either believe in the idea of sovereign nations with borders, autonomous governments & a national identity
  OR
  you believe in open borders, unfettered immigration and subverting national sovereignty to international institutions.
  Trump, Steve Bannon, the Koch brothers and Putin are nationalists.
  George Soros & The Rothschilds are globalists.
  Wealthy people tend to be globalists because they benefit from policies like free trade & open borders, but it's not a given that a rich person is a globalist
2. Re:George Soros, the Rothschilds by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 06:03 · Score: 0
  
  Or you can be a moderate.
3. Re:George Soros, the Rothschilds by erapert · 2017-03-29 08:25 · Score: 1
  
  Or you can be a moderate.
  Meaning... what exactly?
Now let's start seeing convictions. by sethstorm · 2017-03-28 15:57 · Score: 3, Insightful

Indictments are one thing, but actual scalps are another.

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Globalization vs "Globalism" (NWO rebranded) by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 16:06 · Score: 0

This is globalization and the criticism against it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalization
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticisms_of_globalization
"Globalism" is most often used by the right to describe similar ideas as were suggested when they used to say NWO, which you rarely hear anyone say anymore because most people would ignore them immediately:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory)
That article covers a lot of territory, but generally the less insane sounding ideas are what people on the right are talking about when they use "globalism", unless they are big fans of Alex Jones, David Icke, etc.
1. Re:Globalization vs "Globalism" (NWO rebranded) by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 16:32 · Score: 0
  
  1. Wikipedia isn't a valid source of anything.
  2. Just because someone criticizes globalization does not mean they are a conspiracy theorist.
  3. The most typical tactic of hateful people today is to label people they don't care for as "the other", giving an excuse to ignore them.
  4. Your sources do not support what you say and do support what I say:
  
  Globalization has created much global and internal unrest in many countries. Globalization is essentially the requiring of nations to give up their political, economic, and cultural sovereignty to adapt to Western ways...Globalization can be partly responsible for the current global economic crisis...globalization is a threat to culture and religion, and it harms indigenous people groups while multinational corporations profit from it.
  And on it goes. Not really conspiracy theorist territory now is it?
2. Re:Globalization vs "Globalism" (NWO rebranded) by OrangeTide · 2017-03-28 17:14 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  1. Wikipedia isn't a valid source of anything.
  Wikipedia is a good starting place for a summary and references. Those references can be validated.
  Note that the poster did not simply quote wikipedia and expect you to accept it as fact. But referenced what amounts to an essay that contains several citations. You can choose to read it or not, and you can dispute those citations if you wish. But trying to have a general ban on the use of wikipedia in any discussion is not reasonable.
  
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3. Re:Globalization vs "Globalism" (NWO rebranded) by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 17:21 · Score: 0
  
  I am a critic of globalization myself and have been for many years. The interpretation of globalization from the right and referred to now as "globalism" is its own thing. There is a mix of some of the old NWO ideas with some of the more capitalist/right friendly ideas taken from the critiques of globalization that had in the past been only associated with the left. That said, there are people that can get a bit deep into it and start to align more with Alex Jones and Icke or worse, though of course not all do.
  Most adults in developed countries have a decent idea of the effects of globalization now. Some see it as more of a positive and remain aligned more towards the status quo. Others don't and have their own take on it and what should be done about it but usually finding commonality with others on the right or left a bit further or a lot further from the status quo ("center").
20 Years Too Late by Baldrson · 2017-03-28 16:43 · Score: 0

It's over for Western civilization.

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1. Re:20 Years Too Late by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 17:14 · Score: 0
  
  It's over for Western civilization.
  It's not over at all. The revolution hasn't even begun yet.
2. Re:20 Years Too Late by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 17:30 · Score: 0
  
  Drumpf BTFO!
Every executive in Silicon valley would be in jail by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 17:39 · Score: 1

..if they actually enforced the law across the board...
will believe it when I see it.. (along with the banksters also waiting in the same mugshot line..)
wake up white male by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 17:43 · Score: 0, Troll

jews and non-whites will not hesitate for one second to advance their own interests and stomp all over you if you let them
this defeat is entirely self-inflected, however. if we fight, we will win.
wake up white male
1. Re:wake up white male by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 00:07 · Score: 0
  
  Mod the parent up. Time to show these people who's boss.
Bay Area? Which bay? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 18:13 · Score: 0

It sure would be cool if people would stop saying 'Bay Area' like the bay they are talking about is the only god damned bay in the world. Arrogant twats.
the sience of stupid by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 18:55 · Score: 0

whatup
globalism is the best thing that has ever happened by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 20:37 · Score: 0

in the history of mankind. we went from two world wars and massive devastation, potential nuclear annihilation and communist dictatorships, to
a completely changed over world with an internet and free trade, and statistically more peace than ever... so that we can have 400 dollar laptops.
your jobs were taken by robots and AI not by foreigners.
2 out of how many? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 20:39 · Score: 1

There are a lot of staffing agencies pulling this kinds of shit from H1B fraud to student visa, to visitor visa fraud.
They are working and replacing American employees and getting paid a fraction of the wage they should be getting.
But this is a start (or a show of attempt at fixing the issue).
Sacrificial lambs? by swb · 2017-03-28 22:37 · Score: 1

I think you need to look past this to see other interpretations.
1) Sacrificial lambs? The real beneficiaries of H1Bs are much bigger than this and rather than see the goose that laid the golden egg killed, some fall guys at the fringe were necessary to promote the idea that visa abuse is prosecuted, everyone else is following the law, etc.
2) Eliminate competition -- these two guys were undermining someone else's business and were seen as a thorn in their side. It's like a drug dealer calling the cops on another drug dealer.
3) Punish some guys from the wrong social class -- a combination of 1 & 2, really, but make the H1B bad guys "foreigners". I mean, they're probably *terrorists*, too, we should make sure only "Americans" profit from this program.
as per my usual stand by superwiz · 2017-03-28 23:45 · Score: 3, Interesting

It won't "end" until H1B visas are substituted for a different type of visa: an alien resident visa (aka a "Green Card"). H1B program is meant to bring skilled workers to the country. If they can't leave their employers on a whim, they are not employees. They are indentured servants. Their path to citizenship is delayed by 4-5 years. Some even feel entitled at the end of that hazing path to pick up the whip to become the "master". Those two are likely the result of this. End their second-class-citizens status or you'll never solve the "not enough people pursue careers in tech" problem. It's not about salaries. It's about endemic lowering of the work-place status of the people in tech. It has all the glory of a mailroom, just with more money.

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Its a start by thunderclees · 2017-03-29 00:39 · Score: 2

Now its time to indict the rest of them.
Not sure why this place seems like Infowars by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 01:39 · Score: 0

Every time I check the comments, half seem fresh from Breitbart or Infowars. I guess some nerds that visit this site also spend too much time on Reddit and even 4chan and the propaganda being pumped out on those sites has worked on them very effectively. Soros is enemy #1, we all need to go back to the world as it was when every "developed" country was bombing the shit out of each other and trying to conquer the world all because I've been told immigration is keeping us from reaching true utopia and is why I'm not happy with my own life. Fuck that madness.
1. Re:Not sure why this place seems like Infowars by kilfarsnar · 2017-03-29 02:35 · Score: 1
  
  Every time I check the comments, half seem fresh from Breitbart or Infowars. I guess some nerds that visit this site also spend too much time on Reddit and even 4chan and the propaganda being pumped out on those sites has worked on them very effectively. Soros is enemy #1, we all need to go back to the world as it was when every "developed" country was bombing the shit out of each other and trying to conquer the world all because I've been told immigration is keeping us from reaching true utopia and is why I'm not happy with my own life. Fuck that madness.
  Ugh, and you're even your own sock puppet.
  
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Re:Bay Area? Which bay? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 01:47 · Score: 0

Damn those bastards around Hudson Bay.
Re:globalism is the best thing that has ever happe by kilfarsnar · 2017-03-29 02:34 · Score: 1

in the history of mankind. we went from two world wars and massive devastation, potential nuclear annihilation and communist dictatorships, to a completely changed over world with an internet and free trade, and statistically more peace than ever... so that we can have 400 dollar laptops.
your jobs were taken by robots and AI not by foreigners.
And "globalization" is somehow responsible for all that? We still have wars and massive devastation. There is currently a global refugee crisis, due to powers wanting to control the Middle East. We still live with potential nuclear annihilation. Meanwhile labor in first world economies is being asked to compete with labor from third world countries to benefit multinational corporations. Civil rights are being curtailed, justified by an overblown fear of terrorism (which is exacerbated by the afore-mentioned powers trying to control the Middle East). I don't really see how globalization benefits anyone but the ruling class.

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Exactly by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 03:12 · Score: 0

What we're seeing in this thread is the standard dishonest Trump supporter tactic of pretending Obama didn't do jack shit or made things worse and now Trump is in power, everything that was happening under Obama or began while Obama was in power but makes news now is due to Trump. Of course, Trump himself engages in the exact same tactic, claiming all of the unemployment rate reports were bogus and the real rate was 30-50%, but now he is in power, the unemployment rate is real.
Don't forget training by rsilvergun · 2017-03-29 03:24 · Score: 1

they come ready-trained in whatever obscure tech you want them to be. And that training was _cheap_.

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STRING EM UP by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 04:25 · Score: 0

Justice...
Comment by WallyL · 2017-03-29 04:44 · Score: 1

Obligatory "indicted" reference.
Cook by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 06:34 · Score: 0

their ass.
only started with Trump in power by dimko · 2017-03-30 00:32 · Score: 1

A coincidence?
Ask by NewYork · 2017-04-01 19:48 · Score: 1

What is your caste?

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Thousands fired, forced to train H1B replacements by Anonymous Coward · 2017-04-10 16:32 · Score: 0

Thousands fired after being forced to train H1B replacements
60 minutes (real news)
http://twitchy.com/wa-37/2017/03/19/digging-your-own-grave-60-minutes-and-michelle-malkin-take-a-look-at-the-h1b-visa-program/
Trump lied, broke his promise to fix the corruption,
more anchor H1B resources come in from India to
facilitate outsourcing. 85K more this April on
top of the ~1 million here already.
http://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20170325/sarasota-attorney-sara-blackwell-says-president-trump-betrayed-visa-critics
http://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20170325/sarasota-attorney-sara-blackwell-says-president-trump-betrayed-visa-critics
Spread this news as the tech industry is trying to kill it.
Read the stories, scary stuff and then sign the petition to stop it.
CBS NEWS (real news)
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/youre-fired/
PBS NEWS (real news)
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/the-bogus-high-tech-worker-shortage-how-guest-workers-lower-us-wages/
CNN NEWS (real news)
http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/21/technology/h1b-visa-program-flawed/
Human trafficking (our government)
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdms/pr/twelve-defendants-plead-guilty-marriage-and-visa-immigration-fraud
Why they will never hire you:
http://www.firstpost.com/india/theres-no-point-denying-indians-are-racist-to-the-core-2809766.html
Employer is not required to provide proof that they tried to recruit domestically also approximately 20 percent of H1-B visas have been found to be fraudulent. Source: http://www.h1bwiki.com/top-10-myths-about-h-1b-visa/
What happens when they take all our jobs:
https://www.quora.com/Will-India-surpass-the-economy-of-the-USA-in-the-future
Almost every company in the US is doing this
http://www.masslive.com/business-news/index.ssf/2017/04/massmutual_announces_layoffs_in_springfi.html#incart_2box
Sign this to get change now.
https://www.change.org/p/attorney-general-of-the-united-states-stop-h-1b-discrimination-against-americans?source_location=minibar