Hey thanks buddy, I had not read that. I won't be expanding it much further than it is (my company is tiny) but I had totally missed that in the PDF; I appreciate you passing it along.
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Don't let those specs get you down too much, friend. I'm successfully running Zimbra (Open Source Edition) on a box nowhere near those specs:
I just recently put together a Zimbra server for my company. We'll move it to a better machine (with a SCSI RAID5 Array) later, but I built it on an old machine just to make sure Zimbra was what we were looking for in a new mail server to replace our Red Hat w/Sendmail box (and boy, is it ever!).
The machine I'm running it on is an 800MHz Duron with 1.0 GB of RAM and two 40GB IDE drives. It's running an unmodified Ubuntu Dapper Drake "Desktop" install.
Besides Zimbra, the only services I've added to the box are VNCServer and BIND.
This server supports mail and calendering for about 15 employees, including a helpdesk used by our outside clients.
I just bought a used Nokia 6800a cell phone. They're older now, so they "seem" feature-limited and "no frills" (no camera, no mp3, no fancy ringtones, etc).
It's got a fold-out keyboard and is a GREAT text-messaging device. They're cheap as all get out. Mine works great with the Cingular/ATT network.
As for your new tranny, I agree that the new automatics have gotten a lot better, and I also think that the geography you're driving in (San Francisco? Crap, I'd get an automatic too) has gotten a lot better. I don't necessarily think the baseline has shifted, though. We just have better options.
and I agree with you that (speaking in terms of OS) expectations have shifted; that's not a bad thing. My issue is folks deciding that their expectations are necessity, without looking at things like overall quality or cost. It's the idea that users "can't" do things, are are "too stupid" that gets me. Sure, they act stupid, but only because they've decided that it's OK to be stupid.
To use the car analogy to death (hehe) I feel like users have decided (or been convinced) that "climate control" (where you pick a temperature and the car keeps it there) is the only thing they can have, and they need a Lexus because a Toyota only has "hot" and "cold" and high-medium-low fan settings on the heater and the A/C.
Now, it's worth noting that my Saab has climate control, and it truly is a better way. But I got that car used, on the cheap, so I absolve myself of any loserish-ness.:P
Is DST WORTH IT? Boy, Let me tell you a story about the place I come from.
I live in Indiana (a midwestern US state). Up until last year, we'd never done DST before at all (with a few exceptions in towns whose economies were linked to cities across the border in other, DST-observing states).
Before we had DST, it was HELL. All year, it got dark at like 2:00pm. There was no Little League Baseball, no football (american or otherwise) for the kids. Most of our youth joined gangs, who roamed the incessant darkness in large, heavily fortified bad-mpg SUVs, kicking puppies and beating up old ladies just for fun. There was no Christmas and no birthdays, and if we saw the Easter bunny we ATE HIM.
Though many people had the misconception that we were "America's Breadbasket", in fact the darkness prevented us from raising any sort of sustenance crops and most of us resorted to cannibalism to survive. Most Hoosiers (that's what we're called, it means "land of eternal darkness" in a Native American tongue) eventually starved to death, which was viewed as a welcome respite from the hellish, unstoppable night. Dogs and cats, living together, you get the picture.
Then, we elected a new Governor who brought us into the light (literally). With the introduction of DST, and the seemingly random (almost whimsical, really) distribution of our Counties between two time zones, our lives were changed forever. Now, it's light outside pretty much twenty-four-fucking-seven. Our kids are all on at least six sports teams and never shoot each other anymore. They call you "sir" or "ma'am" (these words were not used before, as it was difficult to discern gender in the darkness), shine your shoes for you, and present you with ice-cold lemonade from stands with amusingly misspelled signs. We discovered oil everywhere, we grow more crops than the world could ever possibly use (which has ended hunger globally) and we're all filthy, stinking RICH. All the women have big perky boobs, all the men are RIPPED, and everybody has an IQ of at least 160.
Yes Sir, I don't know what we'd do if it weren't for good ol' DST. I have to assume that with the new DST-extending rule from our good friends in the US Congress, we'll probably just evolve to a higher state of being and shed these silly, out-dated husks to become super-intelligent beings composed of pure energy.
Well, there I went and hit "Submit" because my dog wanted to pee, and I never finished that thought about the guys I know who don't understand how people might have use cars without an automatic transmission or proper fuel injection; what I meant to add to the end of that was "my grandmother knows how to use both of these- so does your grandmother".
[i]If you want Linux to be mainstream-friendly, one of the absolute must-haves is that the user must NEVER EVER EVER, any any circumstances, have to either (1) edit a text config file by hand, or (2) use the command line.
No exceptions, no "most of the time" situation, no "power users only" weasel words. Config files and command lines are OK for developers, but not for mainstream users -- end of story.[/i]
Hey buddy, please don't take what I'm about to say personally; it's not directed at you, more at the state of the industry in general. OK BEGIN OLD MAN RANT NOW
Back during the transition from Win 3.1 to Win 95, I was doing tech support at a Big Ten University. I was showing metal workers, professors, gardeners, kids, and everybody else how to use their computers (and I was pretty green then myself).
Believe me; with proper, patient instruction your Grandma can enter, by hand, the proper command string to get her modem to work in Win3.1. She can build a batch file for proper GUI startup and such. Just because you've grown up without the need to do this stuff doesn't mean the average person can't, or never has.
I have a buddy who can't start my old Corolla (my "spare" car), and doesn't see how people could ever have remembered to pump the gas pedal once when starting their car. I have another buddy who doesn't think that normal "users" could possibly drive a stick-shift (manual transmission) for everyday usage.
Somewhere along the line everybody was convinced (I blame AOL) that you just couldn't understand how to use a computer unless everything you did was clicking on a picture. Somewhere along the way, society convinced itself that nobody could fucking read. From the controls on your devices and your car, to the things you do on the computer, to ordering fast food it just became too damn difficult for anybody to read, speak, or understand several words strung together. That became "hard". Now, I realize that sometimes pictographs make it easier to market a product globally, but we (at least here in the 'States) have gone over the edge with it.
This was also about the same time those damn "DUMMIES" instruction books came out. It suddenly became fashionable to say "Hey, I'm a total fucking idiot! Please tell me how to do everything in the simplest terms possible, or else I'll never understand".
Now, I'm not advocating a return to the days when computers were a pain in the ass to configure or use. All I'm saying is that (much like people used their car's heat and A/C before it was just "blue seated dudered dude") people tend to be as stupid as society allows them to be, or tells them they are. If Dell support tells your grandma "editing this text file is easy, here you can even cut-and-paste this", then she'll believe it's easy.
For pete's sake, our grandparents built the industrialized world and our parents streamlined it and made fit reasonably pleasant to live in. I think they can probably handle using "gedit" now and again.
I tried both Synaptic and apt-get, but I just can't find this "sliced bread" package you speak of. I have also tried searching for "sliced-bread", "slicedbread", and "sliced_bread" to no avail. I'm confused, and I sure wish there were an easier way to find and install....
Yes. IANAL, but I vaguely remember our local newspapers at the time reporting that the judge pretty much issued "Are you fucking stupid?!?" as his opinion in the most recent case.
haven't read TFA, but in the story I remember hearing, NASA used to have literally thousands of pounds of moon rock and dust from the Apollo missions, but over the years it's been parceled out for various purposes (including being given to school kids, etc.) and now they only have a few pounds left.
Not to detract from the rest of your statement, but there's *no way* the Apollo program brought back "thousands" of pounds of samples from the moon, considering:
-Only six (IIRC) of the Apollo missions actually landed
- You ever see one of the retrieved-from-splashdown Modules? They're barely big enough for the dudes that were in them.
It's been years since I tried to access that part of my memory, but I'm gonna say there was significantly less than 1000 pounds of samples brought back; the payload capacity and storage space of the modules simply wouldn't support it. I'm thinking they could have probably brought back maybe 200 pounds max, per trip (and probably significantly less for most trips, considering some missions brought back parts of lunar probes and such).
I am not in any way affiliated with NASA, I just think there's no way we had more than several hundred pounds of samples from the Apollo program.
EG, for Black Friday after thanksgiving, the local Tarje (thats Target for those not from SoCal) got some 30-40 Wiis (and 3 PS3s that got placed in a corner and nobody cared about).
Nah, we pronounce Target like that here in Indiana, too. I've been running into folks who say that since the early nineties, but I'm lame enough that it's still fun to say.
It's not a technical impossibility, but the economic liability doesn't make it attractive. If you were a yoghurt company, would you bother increasing your product price, just for the convenience of the 0.0001% of the market who has a smart home?
It's a competitive market. Increase your price, and people will probably switch to the cheaper yoghurt brand that doesn't have RFID tags.
The economics of using RFID chips in the products you buy have little to do with their use in a "smart home". Rather, the adoption (or not) of RFID will hinge on the economics of using them to help with inventory control at the manufacturer, the warehouse, the truck line and the retailer. It's simpler to walk past the yogurt rack with an RFID reader to do an accurate inventory than to it is to count them by hand, or use a UPC scanning wand.
First off, I'm not a lawyer and I don't even play one on TV.
If you can afford a lawyer, I'd file a civil negligence suit against the lecturer and the school. Don't ask for "eleventy billion dollars" or anything that would make you out as somebody looking to score an easy buck; rather, ask for an amount that would cover your legal costs and time (as well as any real damage caused by the theft) and ask for real assurances that it won't happen again. If you know several people involved, share the lawyer expense and try to get a "class action" suit (if that's possible; I dunno).
Remember, a civil trial rests on "preponderance of the evidence" (as opposed to the higher "reasonable doubt" standard of the US criminal courts) and it's easier to win. If you can show that they grossly mishandled the data, especially if they already had policies to prevent this, and even more especially if the policy wasn't being enforced at all, you should be able to strike some fear into them.
When you provided your data to the school, you had a reasonable expectation that they'd take reasonable measures to protect it. That's not what happened.
I have a strong distaste for our "sue happy" society, but some people and organizations are so lame (and so unafraid of the consequences) that the only way to wake them up is to hit them in the pocketbook, or at least make them afraid of a huge hit to the pocketbook.
At best, you'll get some cash and feel a little better about the security of your data. At worst, you'd hope the school will be "called out" and maybe be forced to fix some of the stuff they're doing wrong. If the lawsuit scares them, maybe they'll ditch (or at least discipline) the lecturer, and at the very least they'll hopefully shore up their policies.
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Ya throw 16 metric tons, and whad'ya get?
Another pay-load and a trillion in debt
Say Vulcan don't ya call me 'cause I can't go,
Until I can build me a warp drive core....
neeer, neeer, neeer, neeer, nee-ne-neer neeeeeeer
That made me laugh, thanks.
er, I meant "Just buy the others and burn your tunes to those".
Jeez, I think I ate so many mashed potatoes at dinner that it affected my brain.
Don't buy the blanks labeled "audio CD" and the tax won't apply to you, friend. Just buy the others and burn your CDs from that.
Hey thanks buddy, I had not read that. I won't be expanding it much further than it is (my company is tiny) but I had totally missed that in the PDF; I appreciate you passing it along.
Don't let those specs get you down too much, friend. I'm successfully running Zimbra (Open Source Edition) on a box nowhere near those specs:
I just recently put together a Zimbra server for my company. We'll move it to a better machine (with a SCSI RAID5 Array) later, but I built it on an old machine just to make sure Zimbra was what we were looking for in a new mail server to replace our Red Hat w/Sendmail box (and boy, is it ever!).
The machine I'm running it on is an 800MHz Duron with 1.0 GB of RAM and two 40GB IDE drives. It's running an unmodified Ubuntu Dapper Drake "Desktop" install.
Besides Zimbra, the only services I've added to the box are VNCServer and BIND.
This server supports mail and calendering for about 15 employees, including a helpdesk used by our outside clients.
I just bought a used Nokia 6800a cell phone. They're older now, so they "seem" feature-limited and "no frills" (no camera, no mp3, no fancy ringtones, etc).
It's got a fold-out keyboard and is a GREAT text-messaging device. They're cheap as all get out. Mine works great with the Cingular/ATT network.
What if I lose my keys somewhere other than Earth? WHAT THEN, Mr. Bruce "Sparty-pants" Sterling?
Where is your Google NOW?
Oh, that's easy. Any motherboard with giant scorch marks and/or parts that have exploded will result in a completely secure system. ;)
I definitely see what you're saying there, buddy.
:P
As for your new tranny, I agree that the new automatics have gotten a lot better, and I also think that the geography you're driving in (San Francisco? Crap, I'd get an automatic too) has gotten a lot better. I don't necessarily think the baseline has shifted, though. We just have better options.
and I agree with you that (speaking in terms of OS) expectations have shifted; that's not a bad thing. My issue is folks deciding that their expectations are necessity, without looking at things like overall quality or cost. It's the idea that users "can't" do things, are are "too stupid" that gets me. Sure, they act stupid, but only because they've decided that it's OK to be stupid.
To use the car analogy to death (hehe) I feel like users have decided (or been convinced) that "climate control" (where you pick a temperature and the car keeps it there) is the only thing they can have, and they need a Lexus because a Toyota only has "hot" and "cold" and high-medium-low fan settings on the heater and the A/C.
Now, it's worth noting that my Saab has climate control, and it truly is a better way. But I got that car used, on the cheap, so I absolve myself of any loserish-ness.
Ask not for whom the corn pops, it pops for thee.
Well I would have hit the Preview button, but it was just too hard.
Is DST WORTH IT? Boy, Let me tell you a story about the place I come from.
I live in Indiana (a midwestern US state). Up until last year, we'd never done DST before at all (with a few exceptions in towns whose economies were linked to cities across the border in other, DST-observing states).
Before we had DST, it was HELL. All year, it got dark at like 2:00pm. There was no Little League Baseball, no football (american or otherwise) for the kids. Most of our youth joined gangs, who roamed the incessant darkness in large, heavily fortified bad-mpg SUVs, kicking puppies and beating up old ladies just for fun. There was no Christmas and no birthdays, and if we saw the Easter bunny we ATE HIM.
Though many people had the misconception that we were "America's Breadbasket", in fact the darkness prevented us from raising any sort of sustenance crops and most of us resorted to cannibalism to survive. Most Hoosiers (that's what we're called, it means "land of eternal darkness" in a Native American tongue) eventually starved to death, which was viewed as a welcome respite from the hellish, unstoppable night. Dogs and cats, living together, you get the picture.
Then, we elected a new Governor who brought us into the light (literally). With the introduction of DST, and the seemingly random (almost whimsical, really) distribution of our Counties between two time zones, our lives were changed forever. Now, it's light outside pretty much twenty-four-fucking-seven. Our kids are all on at least six sports teams and never shoot each other anymore. They call you "sir" or "ma'am" (these words were not used before, as it was difficult to discern gender in the darkness), shine your shoes for you, and present you with ice-cold lemonade from stands with amusingly misspelled signs. We discovered oil everywhere, we grow more crops than the world could ever possibly use (which has ended hunger globally) and we're all filthy, stinking RICH. All the women have big perky boobs, all the men are RIPPED, and everybody has an IQ of at least 160.
Yes Sir, I don't know what we'd do if it weren't for good ol' DST. I have to assume that with the new DST-extending rule from our good friends in the US Congress, we'll probably just evolve to a higher state of being and shed these silly, out-dated husks to become super-intelligent beings composed of pure energy.
Well, there I went and hit "Submit" because my dog wanted to pee, and I never finished that thought about the guys I know who don't understand how people might have use cars without an automatic transmission or proper fuel injection; what I meant to add to the end of that was "my grandmother knows how to use both of these- so does your grandmother".
[i]If you want Linux to be mainstream-friendly, one of the absolute must-haves is that the user must NEVER EVER EVER, any any circumstances, have to either (1) edit a text config file by hand, or (2) use the command line.
No exceptions, no "most of the time" situation, no "power users only" weasel words. Config files and command lines are OK for developers, but not for mainstream users -- end of story.[/i]
Hey buddy, please don't take what I'm about to say personally; it's not directed at you, more at the state of the industry in general. OK BEGIN OLD MAN RANT NOW
Back during the transition from Win 3.1 to Win 95, I was doing tech support at a Big Ten University. I was showing metal workers, professors, gardeners, kids, and everybody else how to use their computers (and I was pretty green then myself).
Believe me; with proper, patient instruction your Grandma can enter, by hand, the proper command string to get her modem to work in Win3.1. She can build a batch file for proper GUI startup and such. Just because you've grown up without the need to do this stuff doesn't mean the average person can't, or never has.
I have a buddy who can't start my old Corolla (my "spare" car), and doesn't see how people could ever have remembered to pump the gas pedal once when starting their car. I have another buddy who doesn't think that normal "users" could possibly drive a stick-shift (manual transmission) for everyday usage.
Somewhere along the line everybody was convinced (I blame AOL) that you just couldn't understand how to use a computer unless everything you did was clicking on a picture. Somewhere along the way, society convinced itself that nobody could fucking read. From the controls on your devices and your car, to the things you do on the computer, to ordering fast food it just became too damn difficult for anybody to read, speak, or understand several words strung together. That became "hard". Now, I realize that sometimes pictographs make it easier to market a product globally, but we (at least here in the 'States) have gone over the edge with it.
This was also about the same time those damn "DUMMIES" instruction books came out. It suddenly became fashionable to say "Hey, I'm a total fucking idiot! Please tell me how to do everything in the simplest terms possible, or else I'll never understand".
Now, I'm not advocating a return to the days when computers were a pain in the ass to configure or use. All I'm saying is that (much like people used their car's heat and A/C before it was just "blue seated dudered dude") people tend to be as stupid as society allows them to be, or tells them they are. If Dell support tells your grandma "editing this text file is easy, here you can even cut-and-paste this", then she'll believe it's easy.
For pete's sake, our grandparents built the industrialized world and our parents streamlined it and made fit reasonably pleasant to live in. I think they can probably handle using "gedit" now and again.
END OLD MAN RANT
I tried both Synaptic and apt-get, but I just can't find this "sliced bread" package you speak of. I have also tried searching for "sliced-bread", "slicedbread", and "sliced_bread" to no avail. I'm confused, and I sure wish there were an easier way to find and install....
Yes. IANAL, but I vaguely remember our local newspapers at the time reporting that the judge pretty much issued "Are you fucking stupid?!?" as his opinion in the most recent case.
That's correct. Caveat Emptor.
Don't feel bad; maybe the program was produced by the English, and it was a statement of worth, not weight. ;)
haven't read TFA, but in the story I remember hearing, NASA used to have literally thousands of pounds of moon rock and dust from the Apollo missions, but over the years it's been parceled out for various purposes (including being given to school kids, etc.) and now they only have a few pounds left. Not to detract from the rest of your statement, but there's *no way* the Apollo program brought back "thousands" of pounds of samples from the moon, considering: -Only six (IIRC) of the Apollo missions actually landed - You ever see one of the retrieved-from-splashdown Modules? They're barely big enough for the dudes that were in them. It's been years since I tried to access that part of my memory, but I'm gonna say there was significantly less than 1000 pounds of samples brought back; the payload capacity and storage space of the modules simply wouldn't support it. I'm thinking they could have probably brought back maybe 200 pounds max, per trip (and probably significantly less for most trips, considering some missions brought back parts of lunar probes and such). I am not in any way affiliated with NASA, I just think there's no way we had more than several hundred pounds of samples from the Apollo program.
Come on folks! That's funny, even if just for the "pew pew"....
EG, for Black Friday after thanksgiving, the local Tarje (thats Target for those not from SoCal) got some 30-40 Wiis (and 3 PS3s that got placed in a corner and nobody cared about).
Nah, we pronounce Target like that here in Indiana, too. I've been running into folks who say that since the early nineties, but I'm lame enough that it's still fun to say.
I'm gonna bonk you guys' heads together, then everyone will clap and we'll all watch the goddamn movie. :)
It's not a technical impossibility, but the economic liability doesn't make it attractive. If you were a yoghurt company, would you bother increasing your product price, just for the convenience of the 0.0001% of the market who has a smart home?
It's a competitive market. Increase your price, and people will probably switch to the cheaper yoghurt brand that doesn't have RFID tags.
The economics of using RFID chips in the products you buy have little to do with their use in a "smart home". Rather, the adoption (or not) of RFID will hinge on the economics of using them to help with inventory control at the manufacturer, the warehouse, the truck line and the retailer. It's simpler to walk past the yogurt rack with an RFID reader to do an accurate inventory than to it is to count them by hand, or use a UPC scanning wand.
First off, I'm not a lawyer and I don't even play one on TV.
If you can afford a lawyer, I'd file a civil negligence suit against the lecturer and the school. Don't ask for "eleventy billion dollars" or anything that would make you out as somebody looking to score an easy buck; rather, ask for an amount that would cover your legal costs and time (as well as any real damage caused by the theft) and ask for real assurances that it won't happen again. If you know several people involved, share the lawyer expense and try to get a "class action" suit (if that's possible; I dunno).
Remember, a civil trial rests on "preponderance of the evidence" (as opposed to the higher "reasonable doubt" standard of the US criminal courts) and it's easier to win. If you can show that they grossly mishandled the data, especially if they already had policies to prevent this, and even more especially if the policy wasn't being enforced at all, you should be able to strike some fear into them.
When you provided your data to the school, you had a reasonable expectation that they'd take reasonable measures to protect it. That's not what happened.
I have a strong distaste for our "sue happy" society, but some people and organizations are so lame (and so unafraid of the consequences) that the only way to wake them up is to hit them in the pocketbook, or at least make them afraid of a huge hit to the pocketbook.
At best, you'll get some cash and feel a little better about the security of your data. At worst, you'd hope the school will be "called out" and maybe be forced to fix some of the stuff they're doing wrong. If the lawsuit scares them, maybe they'll ditch (or at least discipline) the lecturer, and at the very least they'll hopefully shore up their policies.