So that means I could be on the net 24/7 and they'd have no cause to complain.
No, they would have no grounds to complain. They sold *you* unlimited access...
So, if I'm not going to use it 24/7, shouldn't I have the right to let other people use it, so I can get my money's worth? If I let other people come in my house and use my cable modem, Time Warner wouldn't gripe about that? What's the difference between that and me having something where I can broadcast my access to neighbors?
Because real people have jobs, and have to sleep sometimes, and the chance of them being online 24/7, full throttle, is highly unlikely. They (TW) count on this. If you have 5 people, who could utilize the connection 24/7 at full throttle, then that's not being fair, is it?
No... you DID NOT pay for the bandwidth. At this time, you pay for the connection! It is unlimited... use AS MUCH AS YOU WANT. But you can't give it to other people. They need to pay for their own connection.
When you go to a buffet, you don't pay for the food. You pay for the PLATE, or the right to sit down and eat. You can't give food to someone who doesn't have a plate, they need to pay for their own.
Why is this so hard to understand for folks? Why, because you get something, do you think you can always give it to other people, when they didn't pay for it?
I would definitly go for the metered plan, as I don't use as much as I thought I would... however, it's people like me that the cable company is hoping for, to balance out the heavy users... I don't think they would do that.
I just like having a fast connection when I do use it.
Your comparing sharing your bandwidth with a phone... How about letting someone use your phone all the time? So that it's never hung-up... then there would be a problem, get enough people to do it and the phone company would be at arms that your tying up lines, blah, blah, blah...
The cable company only figures you're going to use so much bandwidth, but doesn't cap you for when you peak... You're really sticking it to them by sharing your access, so it's potentially being used full throttle all the time. If it's only occasionally being shared, like your telephone example, they'd never catch on, nor would they care.
Also, for those of you "Libertarians" saying that banning the sale of copy-protected CD's is bad, I think you're forgetting that the public has rights too. Fair use is a right. The government shoud act so as to preserve our rights. In some cases, it is necessary for the government to interfere with business in order to protect the public's rights and consumer's rights. This is not a violation of the libertarian principal.
What amazes me about some so-called "Libertarians" is how much they despise it when the government disrespects our rights, but how easily and readily they are willing to allow businesses to violate our rights.
Your "right" is to choose whether or not you'll buy the CD, not the "right" to music. The government should only step in to ensure that the CD's are properly labeled for you to make an educated decision, so you know that you are in-fact purchasing a broken CD.
It's not about allowing big business to stomp on your right. It's about choice, and the freedom to make that choice, for you, and the business. If they want to make CD's that only play on CD Drives manufactured in the month of November and only on odd-days, then that's their right. It's your right to be informed, so you can make an choice on whether or not you choose to buy it.
I don't like broken CD's either, but don't attack "libertarians" until you know what the hell your talking about. Nobody owes you a damn thing, and if they want to sell something that you don't want to buy, then don't buy it. Take your money elsewhere and get over it.
I read your article, and your missing a *HUGE* issue... Average people want the 'puter to work. That's it... They don't want to learn Python in order to make it work. They don't want "lot's of documentation". Bring it home, plug it in, turn it on, accomplish some computing tasks... done.
It's a good concept for the "geek in training", but not for the Average Joe.
As anti-MS that I am, and as much as I like Linux, when it came time to purchase a new 'puter, I went with a new iBook from Apple. There's a machine and OS with simplicity and intuitivness in mind. So easy to use I overcomplicate it. Practically zero degrees of seperation between me and the work that needs to get done.
dotster's mail server is blacklisted by mac.com which is where the renewal notices were sent. so anyone with a mac.com email address rejects all mail from dotster. sucks to be blacklisted.
That's interesting. What list does mac.com subscribe to? Why would dotster.com be blacklisted?
>>After all, the strenght of linux is choice and now the goal is to limit that choice.
You're choice in linux is what you do with the system once it's installed. What packages you add, remove, change... how you add, remove, change them... etc. What does it really matter what base install you use? Binary compatability goes up...
I see this as a great thing. They're pooling their resources, and working on (what I hope to be) a great product. Kudos for them!
IANAL, but currently they only charge one price for the service. They rent you the modem, which is in addition.
This sounds like they're going to charge one price for service, if you need a modem it's free. Doesn't seem like they're doing anything wrong, just redefining what they're doing.
If this becomes the case, I'm going to get the leased modem and use it... like some other poster said, no sense in putting my modem on the line risking damage if they're going to do it for me.
I don't use XP, thank god... I think this is a trick... they're going to release the service pack, and come back to the trial when tons of people call in with problems saying "see?? SEE??? I told you we couldn't do it!!"
They're going to use this as their proof of concept, at the expense of all XP users...
We used this in our intro to linux class... wasn't too bad. I don't know if it serves the purpose of having q/a in it as well, can't remember that far back..
You can check it out here, though I'm not sure if it's in print now...:(
Damnit, I swore I had some mod points around here... ugh, here we go...
... funny +1 ... insightful +1 ... A well formed "Fuck You and the horse you rode in on" message without using the words "Fuck", "and", "horse", "rode", "in", and "on"... +priceless.
Kazaa lobbyist Phil Corwin says a $1-a-month fee per user on Internet providers alone (it's unclear whether costs would be passed along to subscribers) would generate $2 billion yearly: "We're talking about a modest fee on all the parties who benefit from the availability of this content."
It would be passed on to the consumer, it would be inflated by the ISP's due to handling costs and the increase in bandwidth being used.
On top of it, I don't find file-sharing all that damn great of a service. If I want to hear music, I'll turn on the radio, or download some indie stuff. If I want to buy it, I'll buy it. I don't want to pay artists like Britney Spears for her bubble-gum pop, or anybody else for that matter, if I'm not going to listen to it.
"So it's only a buck?"... You can buy alot with a buck.:) On top of it, where are all of you/.'ers that advocate a voice with your money? Give up a dollar a month for stuff you don't even use, and how are they going to distribute it? Does Britney get a bigger share because she's a top seller? What about the little guys? Where's your voice now?
Geez... Why don't we all just pay a portion of our paycheck to a system where people get to stay home and not work and get paid.... oh, wait...
If they have 500 Macs and 20 PCs, why wouldn't the school just make the switch to Macs completely? They obviously have the know-how to go mac in the first place...
Finally, there's someone who thinks we should be able to do what we want to do with the music and movies that we buy!
Actually, there are lots of people (/.) that think we should be able to do what we want with the music and movies we buy. Finally, there's someone who is going to do something about it...
But I've never seen a realtor, or an auto dealer, that wouldn't tell you this kind of stuff up front if you asked them. The difference is, software has nobody you can ask... Try calling a support number and asking them what the EULA says, they'll feed you B.S. about what they think it says, with lots of "Basically"'s...
And everyone knows that when they purchase software, they're only to run it on one machine, one backup copy, don't pirate, blah blah... it's the EULA's that say you have to run the software with purple slippers while smoking a green pipe, and agree not to display the software on any Compaq monitors less than 15" except in the month of January or December (if on the 27th) blah blah...
They should have to print the EULA on the box in no less than 9pt font... Then they'll be a little less grand with their wording, or we'll all be buying REALLY BIG boxes. Atleast we'd be informed, though.
It wasn't enough that we killed their children, stole their land, gave them diseases, slaughtered their food sources, raped their women, and destroyed their once-proud culture, now we won't even let them play Medal of Honor.
I'm not sure what you were trying to say, but I wasn't around for any of that, and I doubt you were either... Kind of like saying we enslaved the blacks, taking their freedom... I wasn't there for that, either.
I've always felt that computers are computers (in the general sense)... When shopping for computers, shop for service instead. Computers are bound to be bad occasionally, you want a company that is known to stand behind their product.
I have a Dell on lease, and about a year ago my daughter pulled down a tray that it was sitting on, rendering the keyboard useless... Called up support, they had someone at my work the next day replacing the keyboard... it doesn't get much better than that...
IBM's are nice, but have that damn tit-mouse... they need to come out with models with the pad...
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Linux was all you tried? You didn't try Mac OS X?
I agree with you on Linux not being ready for the desktop, but I would have tried other things before going back to M$...
So that means I could be on the net 24/7 and they'd have no cause to complain.
No, they would have no grounds to complain. They sold *you* unlimited access...
So, if I'm not going to use it 24/7, shouldn't I have the right to let other people use it, so I can get my money's worth? If I let other people come in my house and use my cable modem, Time Warner wouldn't gripe about that? What's the difference between that and me having something where I can broadcast my access to neighbors?
Because real people have jobs, and have to sleep sometimes, and the chance of them being online 24/7, full throttle, is highly unlikely. They (TW) count on this. If you have 5 people, who could utilize the connection 24/7 at full throttle, then that's not being fair, is it?
No... you DID NOT pay for the bandwidth. At this time, you pay for the connection! It is unlimited... use AS MUCH AS YOU WANT. But you can't give it to other people. They need to pay for their own connection.
When you go to a buffet, you don't pay for the food. You pay for the PLATE, or the right to sit down and eat. You can't give food to someone who doesn't have a plate, they need to pay for their own.
Why is this so hard to understand for folks? Why, because you get something, do you think you can always give it to other people, when they didn't pay for it?
I would definitly go for the metered plan, as I don't use as much as I thought I would... however, it's people like me that the cable company is hoping for, to balance out the heavy users... I don't think they would do that.
I just like having a fast connection when I do use it.
Do you think you should be able to bring some friends to share your plate to an all you can eat restaurant?
If I pay for a meal, and don't eat all of it, then, yes, I can feed it to whomever I want
Wrong. You pay for the right to sit at the restaurant and eat food. You paid for no meal. When you're done eating, you leave.
*Notice, he said "All you can eat restaurant", your statement would be true if he were talking about a normal restaurant*
Your comparing sharing your bandwidth with a phone... How about letting someone use your phone all the time? So that it's never hung-up... then there would be a problem, get enough people to do it and the phone company would be at arms that your tying up lines, blah, blah, blah...
The cable company only figures you're going to use so much bandwidth, but doesn't cap you for when you peak... You're really sticking it to them by sharing your access, so it's potentially being used full throttle all the time. If it's only occasionally being shared, like your telephone example, they'd never catch on, nor would they care.
Also, for those of you "Libertarians" saying that banning the sale of copy-protected CD's is bad, I think you're forgetting that the public has rights too. Fair use is a right. The government shoud act so as to preserve our rights. In some cases, it is necessary for the government to interfere with business in order to protect the public's rights and consumer's rights. This is not a violation of the libertarian principal.
What amazes me about some so-called "Libertarians" is how much they despise it when the government disrespects our rights, but how easily and readily they are willing to allow businesses to violate our rights.
Your "right" is to choose whether or not you'll buy the CD, not the "right" to music. The government should only step in to ensure that the CD's are properly labeled for you to make an educated decision, so you know that you are in-fact purchasing a broken CD.
It's not about allowing big business to stomp on your right. It's about choice, and the freedom to make that choice, for you, and the business. If they want to make CD's that only play on CD Drives manufactured in the month of November and only on odd-days, then that's their right. It's your right to be informed, so you can make an choice on whether or not you choose to buy it.
I don't like broken CD's either, but don't attack "libertarians" until you know what the hell your talking about. Nobody owes you a damn thing, and if they want to sell something that you don't want to buy, then don't buy it. Take your money elsewhere and get over it.
I read your article, and your missing a *HUGE* issue... Average people want the 'puter to work. That's it... They don't want to learn Python in order to make it work. They don't want "lot's of documentation". Bring it home, plug it in, turn it on, accomplish some computing tasks... done.
It's a good concept for the "geek in training", but not for the Average Joe.
As anti-MS that I am, and as much as I like Linux, when it came time to purchase a new 'puter, I went with a new iBook from Apple. There's a machine and OS with simplicity and intuitivness in mind. So easy to use I overcomplicate it. Practically zero degrees of seperation between me and the work that needs to get done.
Mike
My iBook is as good as ordered... I usually don't like single vendors for software/hardware combo's... but this really is a sweet box...:)
dotster's mail server is blacklisted by mac.com which is where the renewal notices were sent. so anyone with a mac.com email address rejects all mail from dotster. sucks to be blacklisted.
That's interesting. What list does mac.com subscribe to? Why would dotster.com be blacklisted?
....Now back to the original topic...
>>After all, the strenght of linux is choice and now the goal is to limit that choice.
You're choice in linux is what you do with the system once it's installed. What packages you add, remove, change... how you add, remove, change them... etc. What does it really matter what base install you use? Binary compatability goes up...
I see this as a great thing. They're pooling their resources, and working on (what I hope to be) a great product. Kudos for them!
Nevermind my previous post... Write before I read...
IANAL, but currently they only charge one price for the service. They rent you the modem, which is in addition.
This sounds like they're going to charge one price for service, if you need a modem it's free. Doesn't seem like they're doing anything wrong, just redefining what they're doing.
If this becomes the case, I'm going to get the leased modem and use it... like some other poster said, no sense in putting my modem on the line risking damage if they're going to do it for me.
Mike
I don't use XP, thank god... I think this is a trick... they're going to release the service pack, and come back to the trial when tons of people call in with problems saying "see?? SEE??? I told you we couldn't do it!!"
They're going to use this as their proof of concept, at the expense of all XP users...
Tread lightly.
We used this in our intro to linux class... wasn't too bad. I don't know if it serves the purpose of having q/a in it as well, can't remember that far back ..
:(
You can check it out here, though I'm not sure if it's in print now...
Damnit, I swore I had some mod points around here... ugh, here we go...
... +priceless.
... funny +1
... insightful +1
... A well formed "Fuck You and the horse you rode in on" message without using the words "Fuck", "and", "horse", "rode", "in", and "on"
Kazaa lobbyist Phil Corwin says a $1-a-month fee per user on Internet providers alone (it's unclear whether costs would be passed along to subscribers) would generate $2 billion yearly: "We're talking about a modest fee on all the parties who benefit from the availability of this content."
:) On top of it, where are all of you /.'ers that advocate a voice with your money? Give up a dollar a month for stuff you don't even use, and how are they going to distribute it? Does Britney get a bigger share because she's a top seller? What about the little guys? Where's your voice now?
It would be passed on to the consumer, it would be inflated by the ISP's due to handling costs and the increase in bandwidth being used.
On top of it, I don't find file-sharing all that damn great of a service. If I want to hear music, I'll turn on the radio, or download some indie stuff. If I want to buy it, I'll buy it. I don't want to pay artists like Britney Spears for her bubble-gum pop, or anybody else for that matter, if I'm not going to listen to it.
"So it's only a buck?"... You can buy alot with a buck.
Geez... Why don't we all just pay a portion of our paycheck to a system where people get to stay home and not work and get paid.... oh, wait...
If they have 500 Macs and 20 PCs, why wouldn't the school just make the switch to Macs completely? They obviously have the know-how to go mac in the first place...
Especially with the new eMacs... mmmm....eMacs.
Finally, there's someone who thinks we should be able to do what we want to do with the music and movies that we buy!
Actually, there are lots of people (/.) that think we should be able to do what we want with the music and movies we buy. Finally, there's someone who is going to do something about it...
So does this mean the Patriots are run off Windows boxes? My windows boxes need a reboot every 14 hours too...
But I've never seen a realtor, or an auto dealer, that wouldn't tell you this kind of stuff up front if you asked them. The difference is, software has nobody you can ask... Try calling a support number and asking them what the EULA says, they'll feed you B.S. about what they think it says, with lots of "Basically"'s...
And everyone knows that when they purchase software, they're only to run it on one machine, one backup copy, don't pirate, blah blah... it's the EULA's that say you have to run the software with purple slippers while smoking a green pipe, and agree not to display the software on any Compaq monitors less than 15" except in the month of January or December (if on the 27th) blah blah...
They should have to print the EULA on the box in no less than 9pt font... Then they'll be a little less grand with their wording, or we'll all be buying REALLY BIG boxes. Atleast we'd be informed, though.
Mike
I'm not sure what you were trying to say, but I wasn't around for any of that, and I doubt you were either... Kind of like saying we enslaved the blacks, taking their freedom... I wasn't there for that, either.
I've always felt that computers are computers (in the general sense)... When shopping for computers, shop for service instead. Computers are bound to be bad occasionally, you want a company that is known to stand behind their product.
I have a Dell on lease, and about a year ago my daughter pulled down a tray that it was sitting on, rendering the keyboard useless... Called up support, they had someone at my work the next day replacing the keyboard... it doesn't get much better than that...
IBM's are nice, but have that damn tit-mouse... they need to come out with models with the pad...
1) walk in room with thick linux bible, wearing black suit.
2) slam linux bible on table in front of class to shut them up.
3) look them all over and ensure that they're the 'try to get rich quick by getting an mcsd job with no experience' (ref MCSE's)
4) inform them that their souls are already bound for eternal damnation, and linux can't save them now.
5) walk out.
6) bill for 2 hours of your time, include the fact that you brought the light with you...
From their rolodex, obviously! Haven't you been paying attention ? Birds of a feather...