I agree 100%. This is just another guy who after hearing about the NSA spying, suddenly wants to see boogeymen in everything. While I do not in anyway advocate and actual detest what the NSA has done, I am most pissed that proving the events happened has suddenly given every conspiracy theory nutcase legitimacy and they can all run around screaming "See I told ya so!" And now since they have something to point a finger at other people who may have been fencesitting or just not knowledgable of the conspiracy culture are now actually listening to these guys. Alex Jones does NOT need any more influence on American than he already does. I bet Art Bell has been jumping for joy for weeks now too. They both should have epic ratings.
The way you say that, you sound British. If so, you've got the usage wrong for Americans. A pit is a pit, not a hole. A pit has a bottom, a hole doesn't even though we often say things like a hole in the ground. That's a colloquial thing though. This is a scientific article so in the scientific sense, a pit has a bottom and a hole goes all the way through. You put a pit in the wall like a golf ball has and stretch plastic over it. What they have reinvented is a wall covered in musical drums.
He meant Diablo 3 which does have a real money auction house that dumps it's earnings into your Battle.net account that can then be xferred to your checking account. I won't doubt one bit though if WoW adds it to thier next xpac. They keep doing all kinds of retarded shit, why not that too?
If you bought the in-game gold with real world dollars, at the very minimum you owe sales tax and it was probably collected by C&C in the hypothetical situation that C&C was a free to play system that sold in game gold-- like Rift does.
I think really what the moral of the story is, is that no one owns anything really. Possesion is 9/10ths the Law came in to existence for a reason. Ultimately if anyone wants anything you have, and they have the firepower to take it, then it's thiers. All I can say to that though is at least it isn't the Dark Ages anymore so we have at least some civility when it comes to that sort of thing.
Can't agree with you on that one. If that were the case then why did the finance company sue my brother for the value of a truck they repo'd from him? When they came to pick it up, all that was left was a stipped down hull of a cab- even the frame was gone. You may respond because that was the collateral for the loan. Indeed it is but then who really owns it? I also see that you said for 'all intents and purposes' and you would be correct if one only assumes good things happen. So you make your payments and when the loan is done then it truly becomes yours but what happens when the shit turns south? You find out who really owns your car then! No one wants think about the bad stuff happening but it does sometimes. So my advice to anyone with a car payment is don't do anything to it other than basic maintenance. If it gets repo'd that $5000 you paid for the 22's and the $10k ghosted flame paint job with Sailor Moon highlights will 100% totally wasted. If you are gonna mod, then you take the cash you were gonna buy parts with and you pay the car off faster. One could also buy them and just put them in storage but even then if it gets repo'd you'd have parts for 1997 Honda Civic which you can't use.
Simply put, if you make payments, for all intents and purposes you do NOT own that object. It is borrowed.
If 'racist' is the default get out of jail free card, then why are minorities the highest percentage of the incarcerated population in America? Doesn't look like it works that well to me. Your argument is invalid.
overshoot is an appropriate name indeed. You blew your load and went full retard way too early. The only place you had left to go was full Godwinning it and I'm gonna say it just so you can't.
Hitler didn't think anything was wrong with killing Jews.
So there, ya moron. If you can't figure out the difference between slavery and showing some tits, I'm afraid there's no hope for you. Get back under thy bridge, Troll!
No attractive babes? What are thier knees too sharp for ya? Next time just add a DO. NOT. WANT. to the end of your post and you'll have something fit for Fark!
Dude that response does absolutley nothing to make your case look better. It actually furthers the idea that God is a fucking psychopathic asocial asshole who isn't worthy of any kind of worship or attention! Try again, young padawan.
Pass any law that won't be enforced or can't be enforced.
You cannot stop people from getting high anymore than you can stop someone from writing "Don't tread on me" in any old notebook with a fine quill pen. Precisely how are you going to know it happened in the first place?
So what does this law make illegal? Having untaxed weed? Already illegal. Growing your own weed? Already illegal.
Its an action utterly without meaning or relevance. If they want to stop people getting high they're either going to have to enact a police state or invent a time machine. Short of that... get used to it
If you think the government doesn't do shit just because then you haven't been paying attention. They pass whatever law they think will make them the biggest dollar amount. Now I do believe you were trying to state the ideal first rule of gov, but I hate to point out that the REAL first rule is exactly what I stated.
No he didn't. He said it in the 3rd sentence. They don't care what you personally buy. And they don't really. They will know what you have bought because that is recorded but yeah there isn't a guy that's gonna suddenly get an email that you just bought some Cheetos. What will happen is they will say in Alenville, sales are up on Cheetos. We have a new flavor of Cheetos. So send coupons/adverts to anyone who has bought Cheetos before and for those who are regular consumers, send them something extra special like a buy one get one free. Then the computer will comb the database and yes suddenly your name and address will pop up and get put on the mailing list. Big fucking deal. Hell if you matched that query then you probably want some buy one get one free Cheetos coupons. I would. What you are envisioning is that there is some Aunt Bea kind of gossip going around. "Hey Steve, that JMA dude just bought a dog collar, Crisco, and 4 boxes of magnum condoms. Boy is he gonna have a good time! Well you know just last week he bought 3 tubes of Vagisil, some Lice X, and a case of Mt Dew. So what does that mean?" And then you think it'll get posted to some kind of Walmart Facebook where "People who liked Crisco (like that JMA dude in Whereverthefuck Wisconsin) also liked Vagisil (like that JMA dude in Wisconsin). It just doesn't work that way!
You are correct though that people do have differing levels of creep factor. Doesn't mean their paranoia is justified.
Yeah but look at the results. Look how long it took before he finally got put in the spotlight. Even then he kinda just threw himself out there. This could have stretched out much longer before they figured it out. You assume that you'll be able to stay anonymous forever and that is simply not true. The gov is huge and they have much much more power than you ever will. If they want you, they'll get you. The most that you can hope for is to keep delaying them as long as possible. It failed for the NSA too. They practiced some hardcore OPSEC I am sure. They locked this, encrypted that. And what did that get them? Nothing. The info got leaked. Same goes for you. If you try to hold a secret and someone wants to know it bad enough it will eventually leak as well. We the common folks are always at a disadvantage to the powers that be. It is better to overload the system than to try and starve it.
Dude, I tried to explain that to some of the other slashdot 6-digit users to no avail. People are paranoid so don't bother. You and I can hide in the noise floor and they'll get those guys before they get us. The best we can do is continue to flood the systems with so much data that they can't process it all thus raising the noise floor even further. We're jamming the signal. If it weren't such a good damned idea, why does the military use it?
Well lemme set ya straight there buddy. I am not a 19yo ADHD or Asperger's sufferer but I think you might be. You are getting way too damned worked up over this shit. CALM THE FUCK DOWN. I told you in the first sentence that "none of your fucking business" was within your rights but "cause I said so, I don't want to, I don't feel like it" aren't GOOD reasons. They are general statements that are deflecting the question asked because you might be embarrassed or have to change your position should people really know what you're going on about. I asked for you to clarify that statement and you did. You also don't actually know what my position on this matter is.
Firstly I have not liked how the corporations have been raping us over and over again nor pretty much the entire country has been moving along since Bush Jr took over. I don't like MS & haven't since WFW 3.11. I chalk up liking them back then cause I was a teen and didn't know better. You know what though, I have to use MS products every single day whether I want to or not. Ya know why? Cause my work says so and I gotta feed the family and make the money so I can buy all my toys and pay my bills. I could take a position similar to yours though if I did, I'd be out of this sweet ass job I have that I worked my ass off in the 90s to get. This is what I told you to start with, you have to adapt and overcome the changing world because if you don't you get left behind and get to do without. It also makes you a bitter old man when you sit there in your retirement years lamenting all that you have lost over the years. However awesome things used to be back in the day, they are gone and you aren't getting them back. So you adapt and make new memories that will ultimately change and you get to start right the fuck back over. Refusing the accept and adapt to the world around you is what makes you a Luddite, not just this XBoner controversy. So let's visit those points you made about that, shall we?
I am drowning in the hypocrisy and it smells like bullshit! From your self righteous tone, you imply that you are an old fuck (and I am not). I mention this because if that is correct, then you've been around computers since they became common place items found in the general population. Please tell me a time when you actually owned the software you "bought?" Maybe before about 1985 but you should know, I know, and every person on slashdot knows, that software is a license. It has an absurd EULA that hasn't really ever been challenged that does indeed say they can change the software and the terms of use whenever they fucking feel like it. You so proudly claimed that you aren't a software pirate so then that means you have legally purchased and installed your software, correct? If so then you most assuredly clicked yes to that EULA saying you agree to those terms. Your other choice was to disagree and return that product. But then you'll retort that there's no way to not agree to it because then you can't return it cause you opened it so you might as well just click past it and use it anyway. You only get to use that excuse ONCE. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. You know they fucked you the first time but did that stop you from buying more? Probably not. You probably have a dozen XBox games alone since you seem so torn up by this decision. So instead of fighting the system to change it, you just accepted it and so now that is one of the reasons why software is as fucked up as it is. We, as a geek community, did not fight hard enough to overturn what was happening and so now we must deal with a system that is different than it used to be. Again, I don't like it, you don't like it, and many slashdotters don't like it but this is what we have so either we twist it to our advantage or we can let it go and do without. So you, I, and everyone else clicked that I agree/OK button and started using that software but the difference between you and I is that I accepted that I am just renting it but you still kee
That is a pretty good reason. Not to argue with you but mainly FYI, I spent 2 years wandering the desert (Iraqistan). You can get Internet anywhere on the planet if you need it. I carried a system called BGAN that is your own portable min satellite system. If you want some web and got some money (cause remote mining camps I am sure pay quite well) you can get you some Internet. You can google it if you are interested. Inmarsat is one of the big providers.
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I agree 100%. This is just another guy who after hearing about the NSA spying, suddenly wants to see boogeymen in everything. While I do not in anyway advocate and actual detest what the NSA has done, I am most pissed that proving the events happened has suddenly given every conspiracy theory nutcase legitimacy and they can all run around screaming "See I told ya so!" And now since they have something to point a finger at other people who may have been fencesitting or just not knowledgable of the conspiracy culture are now actually listening to these guys. Alex Jones does NOT need any more influence on American than he already does. I bet Art Bell has been jumping for joy for weeks now too. They both should have epic ratings.
The way you say that, you sound British. If so, you've got the usage wrong for Americans. A pit is a pit, not a hole. A pit has a bottom, a hole doesn't even though we often say things like a hole in the ground. That's a colloquial thing though. This is a scientific article so in the scientific sense, a pit has a bottom and a hole goes all the way through. You put a pit in the wall like a golf ball has and stretch plastic over it. What they have reinvented is a wall covered in musical drums.
You did that all wrong. When you state a convoluted mess like that, you have to preface it with "Yo Dawg! I heard you liked...."
At least that is what my teenagers tell me.
He meant Diablo 3 which does have a real money auction house that dumps it's earnings into your Battle.net account that can then be xferred to your checking account. I won't doubt one bit though if WoW adds it to thier next xpac. They keep doing all kinds of retarded shit, why not that too?
If you bought the in-game gold with real world dollars, at the very minimum you owe sales tax and it was probably collected by C&C in the hypothetical situation that C&C was a free to play system that sold in game gold-- like Rift does.
Will yours have blackjack and hookers?
I think really what the moral of the story is, is that no one owns anything really. Possesion is 9/10ths the Law came in to existence for a reason. Ultimately if anyone wants anything you have, and they have the firepower to take it, then it's thiers. All I can say to that though is at least it isn't the Dark Ages anymore so we have at least some civility when it comes to that sort of thing.
At the rate my mod points show up, I must be using a 2400 baud modem. What year is it? :D
It sounds all dirty when you call it a commie :D
And my point was that if they can come get it, then it isn't yours is it?
That's how I remember it too. Tell us how we are wrong.
Can't agree with you on that one. If that were the case then why did the finance company sue my brother for the value of a truck they repo'd from him? When they came to pick it up, all that was left was a stipped down hull of a cab- even the frame was gone. You may respond because that was the collateral for the loan. Indeed it is but then who really owns it? I also see that you said for 'all intents and purposes' and you would be correct if one only assumes good things happen. So you make your payments and when the loan is done then it truly becomes yours but what happens when the shit turns south? You find out who really owns your car then! No one wants think about the bad stuff happening but it does sometimes. So my advice to anyone with a car payment is don't do anything to it other than basic maintenance. If it gets repo'd that $5000 you paid for the 22's and the $10k ghosted flame paint job with Sailor Moon highlights will 100% totally wasted. If you are gonna mod, then you take the cash you were gonna buy parts with and you pay the car off faster. One could also buy them and just put them in storage but even then if it gets repo'd you'd have parts for 1997 Honda Civic which you can't use.
Simply put, if you make payments, for all intents and purposes you do NOT own that object. It is borrowed.
I love redneck trolls.
Let's debate a bit. I'm bored.
If 'racist' is the default get out of jail free card, then why are minorities the highest percentage of the incarcerated population in America? Doesn't look like it works that well to me. Your argument is invalid.
WHO demolished WHOM?
Telegraphs send telegrams. One is a device and one is a group of information. Do try to keep up...
overshoot is an appropriate name indeed. You blew your load and went full retard way too early. The only place you had left to go was full Godwinning it and I'm gonna say it just so you can't.
Hitler didn't think anything was wrong with killing Jews.
So there, ya moron. If you can't figure out the difference between slavery and showing some tits, I'm afraid there's no hope for you. Get back under thy bridge, Troll!
No attractive babes? What are thier knees too sharp for ya? Next time just add a DO. NOT. WANT. to the end of your post and you'll have something fit for Fark!
Am I the only one who read the last sentence in Emperor Palpatine's voice?
Dude that response does absolutley nothing to make your case look better. It actually furthers the idea that God is a fucking psychopathic asocial asshole who isn't worthy of any kind of worship or attention! Try again, young padawan.
Pass any law that won't be enforced or can't be enforced.
You cannot stop people from getting high anymore than you can stop someone from writing "Don't tread on me" in any old notebook with a fine quill pen. Precisely how are you going to know it happened in the first place?
So what does this law make illegal? Having untaxed weed? Already illegal. Growing your own weed? Already illegal.
Its an action utterly without meaning or relevance. If they want to stop people getting high they're either going to have to enact a police state or invent a time machine. Short of that... get used to it
If you think the government doesn't do shit just because then you haven't been paying attention. They pass whatever law they think will make them the biggest dollar amount. Now I do believe you were trying to state the ideal first rule of gov, but I hate to point out that the REAL first rule is exactly what I stated.
No he didn't. He said it in the 3rd sentence. They don't care what you personally buy. And they don't really. They will know what you have bought because that is recorded but yeah there isn't a guy that's gonna suddenly get an email that you just bought some Cheetos. What will happen is they will say in Alenville, sales are up on Cheetos. We have a new flavor of Cheetos. So send coupons/adverts to anyone who has bought Cheetos before and for those who are regular consumers, send them something extra special like a buy one get one free. Then the computer will comb the database and yes suddenly your name and address will pop up and get put on the mailing list. Big fucking deal. Hell if you matched that query then you probably want some buy one get one free Cheetos coupons. I would. What you are envisioning is that there is some Aunt Bea kind of gossip going around. "Hey Steve, that JMA dude just bought a dog collar, Crisco, and 4 boxes of magnum condoms. Boy is he gonna have a good time! Well you know just last week he bought 3 tubes of Vagisil, some Lice X, and a case of Mt Dew. So what does that mean?" And then you think it'll get posted to some kind of Walmart Facebook where "People who liked Crisco (like that JMA dude in Whereverthefuck Wisconsin) also liked Vagisil (like that JMA dude in Wisconsin). It just doesn't work that way!
You are correct though that people do have differing levels of creep factor. Doesn't mean their paranoia is justified.
Yeah but look at the results. Look how long it took before he finally got put in the spotlight. Even then he kinda just threw himself out there. This could have stretched out much longer before they figured it out. You assume that you'll be able to stay anonymous forever and that is simply not true. The gov is huge and they have much much more power than you ever will. If they want you, they'll get you. The most that you can hope for is to keep delaying them as long as possible. It failed for the NSA too. They practiced some hardcore OPSEC I am sure. They locked this, encrypted that. And what did that get them? Nothing. The info got leaked. Same goes for you. If you try to hold a secret and someone wants to know it bad enough it will eventually leak as well. We the common folks are always at a disadvantage to the powers that be. It is better to overload the system than to try and starve it.
Dude, I tried to explain that to some of the other slashdot 6-digit users to no avail. People are paranoid so don't bother. You and I can hide in the noise floor and they'll get those guys before they get us. The best we can do is continue to flood the systems with so much data that they can't process it all thus raising the noise floor even further. We're jamming the signal. If it weren't such a good damned idea, why does the military use it?
Well lemme set ya straight there buddy. I am not a 19yo ADHD or Asperger's sufferer but I think you might be. You are getting way too damned worked up over this shit. CALM THE FUCK DOWN. I told you in the first sentence that "none of your fucking business" was within your rights but "cause I said so, I don't want to, I don't feel like it" aren't GOOD reasons. They are general statements that are deflecting the question asked because you might be embarrassed or have to change your position should people really know what you're going on about. I asked for you to clarify that statement and you did. You also don't actually know what my position on this matter is.
Firstly I have not liked how the corporations have been raping us over and over again nor pretty much the entire country has been moving along since Bush Jr took over. I don't like MS & haven't since WFW 3.11. I chalk up liking them back then cause I was a teen and didn't know better. You know what though, I have to use MS products every single day whether I want to or not. Ya know why? Cause my work says so and I gotta feed the family and make the money so I can buy all my toys and pay my bills. I could take a position similar to yours though if I did, I'd be out of this sweet ass job I have that I worked my ass off in the 90s to get. This is what I told you to start with, you have to adapt and overcome the changing world because if you don't you get left behind and get to do without. It also makes you a bitter old man when you sit there in your retirement years lamenting all that you have lost over the years. However awesome things used to be back in the day, they are gone and you aren't getting them back. So you adapt and make new memories that will ultimately change and you get to start right the fuck back over. Refusing the accept and adapt to the world around you is what makes you a Luddite, not just this XBoner controversy. So let's visit those points you made about that, shall we?
I am drowning in the hypocrisy and it smells like bullshit! From your self righteous tone, you imply that you are an old fuck (and I am not). I mention this because if that is correct, then you've been around computers since they became common place items found in the general population. Please tell me a time when you actually owned the software you "bought?" Maybe before about 1985 but you should know, I know, and every person on slashdot knows, that software is a license. It has an absurd EULA that hasn't really ever been challenged that does indeed say they can change the software and the terms of use whenever they fucking feel like it. You so proudly claimed that you aren't a software pirate so then that means you have legally purchased and installed your software, correct? If so then you most assuredly clicked yes to that EULA saying you agree to those terms. Your other choice was to disagree and return that product. But then you'll retort that there's no way to not agree to it because then you can't return it cause you opened it so you might as well just click past it and use it anyway. You only get to use that excuse ONCE. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. You know they fucked you the first time but did that stop you from buying more? Probably not. You probably have a dozen XBox games alone since you seem so torn up by this decision. So instead of fighting the system to change it, you just accepted it and so now that is one of the reasons why software is as fucked up as it is. We, as a geek community, did not fight hard enough to overturn what was happening and so now we must deal with a system that is different than it used to be. Again, I don't like it, you don't like it, and many slashdotters don't like it but this is what we have so either we twist it to our advantage or we can let it go and do without. So you, I, and everyone else clicked that I agree/OK button and started using that software but the difference between you and I is that I accepted that I am just renting it but you still kee
That is a pretty good reason. Not to argue with you but mainly FYI, I spent 2 years wandering the desert (Iraqistan). You can get Internet anywhere on the planet if you need it. I carried a system called BGAN that is your own portable min satellite system. If you want some web and got some money (cause remote mining camps I am sure pay quite well) you can get you some Internet. You can google it if you are interested. Inmarsat is one of the big providers.
Re-read this post in Yoda voice you should. Much wisdom Cronocloud has. Mod points, I do not.