I hear what you are saying. I truly do. "Cause I don't want to" is perfectly valid answer and your right. I get that. But why is it such a big deal for you and others like you that your gaming system has to be connected to the internet? Do you not have internet? Are you going to take it to a buddies house who doesn't have internet? This is 2013 and you actually are gonna have some sudden need to do some gaming but there will no internet for miles around? THIS is the stuff I don't get. If you have enough money for an XBOX/PS/etc then you can get some internet. Hell your phone probably has it too so the mobile aspect is taken care of. I know you have internet, you're posting here on/. so please enlighten me why you hate being hooked up to the internet?
This kind of argument strikes me of being a Luddite. You (in general, not you personally) want things just like they were in 1999 when we had 40 person live LAN parties and exclusive clubs where every little Jimmy down the street couldn't play with you guys. Well guess what? Technology and society changes. You have to keep up or you end up a crotchety old bastard that is bitter that the world left him behind when he hit 30. I've heard people like you (and I think I actually heard you yourself) tell people bitching in the threads about IT discriminating against old folks and people who are mediocre at best that you guys never have a problem finding or keeping a job because you keep your skillset fresh. Now the electronics industry and IT in general has changed and you need to get with the times. Update your skillset. I know you have good memories of playing 16 hours straight of the ORIGINAL Call of Duty at your buddies' house. You guys had your 100BaseT switch all tweaked out with the blinken lights and the times were never better, especially now that you learned to sniper people at 200 yards with the bazooka. But that was then and this is now. Make new nostalgia if you must.
There is but ONE truly compelling reason why someone wouldn't want their console to ever touch the internet and that would be piracy. I'm not saying you pirate your games, I don't know you, but I do know some pirates who's Xbox might get bricked if it touched the web. If that is your reason, that's fine. I get that as well (I only pirate PC titles!). I also get that you can't really just come out and say that since people would immediately stop listening to you.
Again, I just want to know what is your line of thinking in being so unacceptable of the evolving system.
Hey thanks for the reply. I didn't know what to make of the original claim, but after reading that link, I have mixed feelings. I thought she was referring to passengers who were scanned but that didn't make sense. The cancer clusters are from the agents working the machines. Like many folks on here I hate the TSA and power hungry cops. So since it is they who are getting cancer I find myself torn between caring, since they are people, and eerily satisfied that karma is working as it should. I mean the types of people who take those jobs aren't the greatest people in the first place. We would be better off with a few less sociopaths.
This AC right here is exactly the type of elitist douche nozzle people are talking about when you try to get any little bit of help. EVE players are total asshats, hands down worse than the most elitist PVPers in WoW.
What a hateful troll you are! It would be a shame if you somehow lost your job, filed for bankruptcy, and had to get food stamps and free school lunch. But I guess you're too awesome to ever have bad times fall upon you because you are a super prepper right? Got 22 years of savings squirrelled away and enough food to feed Cambodia for 15 years stored in your bomb proof shelter right? RIGHT?
So you want high school to run like a college. Ok, I'm good with that. A very logical argument.
However when you say there is no good reason I have to disagree. You will disagree with this assement but it is founded out here in the real world and not from ideological texts. Baby sitters. The way our economy has developed since the Brady Bunch years of the 1950's, a family really can't afford to have a stay at home mom. So both parents have to work. In case you haven't noticed school really is a glorified babysitter who happens to also teach kids a few things. Allowing the students to have flexibility directly effects the adults abilities to have order. Parents bring home the money, they keep the kids fed. So yeah, their schedule takes priority over the child's no matter how much sense it may make. I think we as a society have forgotten one of the key lessons of life. Life is a cold hearted bitch. The very worst thing a parent can do is try to make thier kids worldproof. I gotta get my ass up at 0530 to go to work then dammit you are gonna get your ass up at 0530 to go to school. I don't like it, you don't like it, but it's just what you have to do to survive in the real world. When I go to this job, I am gonna work, make some money, and not get fired. When you go to school, you are gonna work, make passing grades, and not get expelled. If you can't because you are too tired from gaming or whatever then I am gonna take those phones/xboxen/whatever and back over them with a truck. You will hate me now, but thank me later. You don't cater the world to fit the kids, you make the kids fit the world. THAT ensures survivabilty.
And yeah I know you said by the time they are old enough. You neglect that some parents just don't ever trust thier kids. Ever. I got great stories about about people in thier 30s and 40s who still get told by thier parents where they will go and when they'll go to bed. But that's for another thread.
You call it like you see it. I like that. You wanna know why I want to dodge all these little taxes then, if we're gonna speak honestly? Cause all those rich assholes get to dodge millions in taxes every year but when you or I try to get a break of $2 then we are evil little bastards who are a leech on society and we should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. Why is it ok for them and not for us? I imagine you'll say it's not. Then why are you berating us, your fellow middle classers, and giving them a free pass? Many people here and even the rich folks I refer to, have stated many times that it is your duty to pay as little tax as possible and one should actively work towards this goal. So when we find us a way to save a buck or 2 suddenly it's problem that needs fixed. It'll get fixed too cause it is to the big boys advantage. But when we want one of their loopholes patched up what do we get? A bunch of fucking nothing. So let's hear your opinion on the matter.
And that response is the same thing as a 4 year old plugging their ears and saying "nanannananannana I can't hear you." Even if the math & ideology point to a reduction in future spending, which they do and you point out, out here in the Real World where I live, jobs are being cut. I know. I got laid off because of this. So just because you wanna scream that it's just less money than you were gonna spend doesn't make the effects any less significant. This is affecting real people with real families to feed and those people at the top who pushed this down on us conveniently made themselves immune. Stop cheerleading this bullshit. You're part of the problem and by the looks of how 'Insightful' fellow Slashdotters have modded you, we got a lot of assholes in here.
All that bitly link did was link back to this/. post. Was that supposed to be the joke? If so, then I earn a WHOOSH (though I still don't get it). I fully expected to see this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AOfbnGkuGc
PS: bitly links are stupid. Just post a regular URL already. We aren't on twitter.
I'll try to clear a bit of that up. Some soldiers, even when off-duty, love to be seen in their uniforms. They are proud of who they are, the organization that they serve, and want everyone to know it. True pride in thier work if you will because that is a core principle ingrained in them during training. The backpackers aren't typically running with their gear, as was originally mentioned they are walking along side. Some to just get that road march type training in, sometimes because they are EMT volunteers so they carry appropriate gear, and sometimes just as a show of solidairity and support. Also there can and have been events like that where a military person could have been participating, sponsored by his unit. I don't know if this marathon in particular consisted of those but you can't rule it out. Post 911 at least, it has been general policy of the military though to not wear your uniform in public unless you are enroute to work. This is to minimize attacks of opportunity and as general operation security protocol. Some don't heed that advice however, possibly because of the "romantic" visions of the WW2 days where soldiers were loved and respected by the public and they wish to try and revive that spirit. Again that's a pride thing. Hope that helps.
Doesn't matter at all. The damage to one's reputation has already been done, much like once you're accused of being a pedo, that stink sticks around a long long time. This kind of crowdsourced BS is just a fancy new buzzword for mob justice/mob rule with all the negatives that entails.
Hehe I think you may have reinforced my point. You didn't make any descriptive statement about them so when you say they look like all the other officers around there I envision all the officers I have around here. God we got a lot of fat ass cops....
The SRO's btw are also actual County police, uniform, badge, gun the whole shebang.
"taking the piss" Now that is a British euphamism that I just can't seem to wrap my head around every time I hear it. Even though it's English (language), it just doesn't seem to translate to American well at all.
Well now hold on. The same can be said of school cops called SRO's around here. Have you actually seen these guys? Not the creme of the crop I assure you.
Oh I'm ex-military so I am quite agreeable to a force response that is quite proportional to that being used against you. I was just poking a stick at the AC troll:)
1) It's never good enough for many people. He increased from 2 to 15%. That is a substantial gain. If that were in the financial market investors would be popping champagne. Should we automatically assume that he should rest on his laurels and stop increasing it? Most likely not. That becomes a matter of opinion though about what the proper mixture of men and women, race or whatever other areas are covered under policies like this. I have no opinion on that detail other than you should have the proper personnel makeup to accomplish your task in the most effective manner. To immediately rebuke this particular effort is though just starts a chain of goalpost moving which accomplishes nothing. What if next year it increases to 20%? Is that enough? Some will say no and say we need more so maybe he redoubles his efforts and makes it to 30% the next year. Is that enough? Some will say no, rinse and repeat. At least he is doing something positive because in this economy I am happy if anyone has a job, especially engineers cause that's my trade.
2) You found and demonstrated why alot of people use percentages. The way you apply them can make your results appear bigger or smaller than they are. As you said the article states 15% so that went from 1 to 5 total engineers. 5 does sound small doesn't it? So to make it look bigger convert it to a percentage. People like you and I will catch that but laymen or those who just aren't interested will just kinda gloss over it. You can go the other way too. Say there's something that has killed 100,000 people. That is a lot of people. But if you were trying to deny the issue or block legislation or something similar then you could convert that to a percentage and say (just an example) "That's less than 1% of the population!" Now that doesn't sound so bad anymore. Less than 1%? Statistically insignificant most would say. Don't tell that to the families of the dead though.
I was not attempting to put words in your mouth. I gave an example, the slavery part, of why deferring to consensus will get you bit. You did claim consensus should negate her opinion because the way that whole last paragraph reads, it's implied. If you weren't attempting to imply anything, restate your argument.
You do claim violence *likely* contributed. This I completely disagree with. There is no evidence that the Nature vs. Nurture argument has been settled. Your argument says if daddy beat him then he is more likely to beat others. Stats will say if I am poor then I am more likely to stay poor. Both of those statements are negated everyday by people like me. And before you claim outlier, read my stats post response to tehcyder which is in this thread.
Why did I think you were offended/incensed/defensive? Because girlintraining's post was mostly neutral (that sensationalist garbage part did start sway it the other way though I'll concede) and fairly compassionate but you took the complete opposite stance and used words such as "screams predisposition." People who scream are often offended. To back that up, your last post, when boiled down, said "the writers of wiki all agree so why listen to you?" That is why I can rule out that you weren't screaming because you were happy or excited. Those little words, man, what a pain in the ass. Everyday laws are negated & criminals set free because of how something is worded. Us debaters call that rules lawyering and it'll make or break any argument.
And finally it was because you played the Godwin card. That's what even caught my attention in the first place. Had you not said it, I probably wouldn't have even responded. The Godwin card is like a nuke. You don't fire that one off unitl you got nothing left, a hail Mary if you will. To open with it is generally an attempt to shutdown discussion completely because it's a corollary to it's definition which is: the longer a debate goes on, the likely hood of someone mentioning Hitler or Nazi's increases exponentially. The commonly accepted corollary to that is once it does, game over man! Godwin's have alot of power. With great power comes great responsibility. Don't just go throwing them out there!
Now hold up. As other posters have pointed out, the conspiracy that the OP is trying assert is most likely a condition of these devices being developer models and that makes sense. What he is correct about, is that many companies and even our politicians quite often do try the old "This is us giving you something, not the other way around." No one can deny that. You said it yourself (in not so many words) that nothing is ever truly free. The reason people expect free to mean no obligation in return is because that's it technical definition. Alot of us know better though. I also agree that the Glass device itself is worthy of monetary payment if it's good hardware. So no beef there. What I do take offense to is that you took this thread and made it all political so I'm gonna tear it apart and challenge your ideals.
Where is this actual group of people who always scream something-for-nothing? In any population there will always be some that refuse to do anything at all, sure. That group though has always been statistically small and it will never be eradicated. You just have to deal with those. What I hear most conservatives claim about the people who are lazy good for nothings sucking off the government teet are in actuality people who are on disability, social security, the mentally ill, foster/orphan children and the like. These folks met the criteria to claim these benefits so they aren't freeloaders, we as a society (and in general decent fucking human beings) have decided to take care of them as opposed to let them die in the streets. People on Social Security and Unemployment are especially immune to the criticisms. Those are insurances. They paid into them and are most definitely entitled to get their money back! That isn't something for nothing. Veterans benefits are also another untouchable. They went to war for the ideals this country purports to uphold so you are goddamned right they deserve everything they earned. We broke em, we should fix em.
What I hear the people scream is not something for nothing, they say "Where's my fair share?" You also defend Google saying they are a corporation who made a product so deserve to be paid for it cause it wasn't free to produce. I agree, however, many corporations (none of my following statements necessarily apply to just Google) think THEY ARE ENTITLED to your business. They lock you into contracts (software companies), setup protected monopolies (power/cable/utilties), legislate failed business models (Banks/RIAA/MPAA), and most all business categories beat competition down with patent upon patent that may not even be valid! It seems like every quarter we get another news story talking about how Exxon has made a new record all time high profit of eleventy billion dollars. Libertarians and Conservatives alike will say that this was came by honest, that they worked hard, tightened up those boot straps, and are now reaping their success. If it is honest, then you'll never hear me bitch about it. But just like you and I know what free really means, at least I see that profit was anything but honest. They get un-needed subsidies, tax breaks, tax shelters, favorable legislation, and a whole myriad of other benefits that you nor I could even possibly have a hope of receiving. On the flip side, Liberals also think that we can just do bread and circuses and everything will be ok. That's not right either.
How much money is enough? I expect you or another poster to reply: As much as the market can bear. Do you really know what that means? That means you are stressing the system so hard that one more unit of whatever measurement you are using will break it (to simplify it for laymen). That is a flaw in capitalism that needs patched. We had an article the other day about lithium batteries. The most highly moderated posts all said something to the effect of if you charge them to 100% all the time or discharge them completely you will break them. The ideal charge mode was never below 10% and not more than 90%. Also look at s
I have the same experience as you regarding no separate ads, whether at the beginning, middle, or end, due to Adblock+. When he stated float-free youtube, I do believe he means all those damned popup thought bubble ads overlayed on the video itself. Those have to be turned off by clicking the Hide Annotations button on the player toolbar. I have not found a way to make those be turned off by default, and so that is the first thing I click once the video begins playing. But yeah if I didn't have Adblock+ to kill the traditional commercials, I'd have abandoned Youtube long ago. ABP also works quite nicely on Hulu, though with them you get a 30second blank spot bitching at you to stop blocking it! I feel a little bit giddy looking at that screen. Good time to go get some more Mt Dew and Doritos!
I love me some statistics. So where we agree here is that statistically, the poor do have a higher probablity to stay poor. But then you claim my experience doesn't say anything about the staistics because you fire off the classic "You're an outlier" response. Do you actually do any statistics? So many folks throw out the outlier excuse that one could conceivably claim that anything not exactly on the median is an outlier! That's preposterous! That's the whole basis of the 3 & 6 Sigma rules. A guesstimation, because I don't have a spreadsheet full of figures available right now, is that I'm not even 1 sigma away from the mean. I make 70k a year for a family of 4. That isn't even double what the IRS claims is poverty level which I believe was 45k-ish for a family of 4. When you talk outliers you have to quantify that with your confidence level. 3 sigma confidence claims that all values will be within 3 standard deviations from the mean 99.7% of the time. What is that 0.3%? THOSE are the outliers. Yeah I got out of poverty, cause I make more than the poverty level, but I sure as hell didn't make it to the top!
I think we agree here, and I'm on your side. That last statement is simply how I roll. If someone makes a claim, I look at their presentation of facts and evidence, and then I look at the other side. I do not defaultly believe anyone. Your arguments presented excellent reality based assements & facts that I could not debunk. His side did not. I joined your side. In the future, should you make another claim, I will assess your facts, weigh them against the opposing viewpoint and judge at that time. Just because I liked what you said once, doesn't get you a free pass forever. Though looking historically every post of yours that I have read has deserved the mods it has gotten. People like you are why I still come to this "dying" site. Everyone should be this objective. It is true skepticism (and no true Scotsman doesn't wear a kilt!). We'd stop getting the wool pulled over our eyes much less often!
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Did you seriously just rephrase some Martin Niemoller and apply it to Sony? That is some stealthy Godwinning ya got going there dude.
I hear what you are saying. I truly do. "Cause I don't want to" is perfectly valid answer and your right. I get that. But why is it such a big deal for you and others like you that your gaming system has to be connected to the internet? Do you not have internet? Are you going to take it to a buddies house who doesn't have internet? This is 2013 and you actually are gonna have some sudden need to do some gaming but there will no internet for miles around? THIS is the stuff I don't get. If you have enough money for an XBOX/PS/etc then you can get some internet. Hell your phone probably has it too so the mobile aspect is taken care of. I know you have internet, you're posting here on /. so please enlighten me why you hate being hooked up to the internet?
This kind of argument strikes me of being a Luddite. You (in general, not you personally) want things just like they were in 1999 when we had 40 person live LAN parties and exclusive clubs where every little Jimmy down the street couldn't play with you guys. Well guess what? Technology and society changes. You have to keep up or you end up a crotchety old bastard that is bitter that the world left him behind when he hit 30. I've heard people like you (and I think I actually heard you yourself) tell people bitching in the threads about IT discriminating against old folks and people who are mediocre at best that you guys never have a problem finding or keeping a job because you keep your skillset fresh. Now the electronics industry and IT in general has changed and you need to get with the times. Update your skillset. I know you have good memories of playing 16 hours straight of the ORIGINAL Call of Duty at your buddies' house. You guys had your 100BaseT switch all tweaked out with the blinken lights and the times were never better, especially now that you learned to sniper people at 200 yards with the bazooka. But that was then and this is now. Make new nostalgia if you must.
There is but ONE truly compelling reason why someone wouldn't want their console to ever touch the internet and that would be piracy. I'm not saying you pirate your games, I don't know you, but I do know some pirates who's Xbox might get bricked if it touched the web. If that is your reason, that's fine. I get that as well (I only pirate PC titles!). I also get that you can't really just come out and say that since people would immediately stop listening to you.
Again, I just want to know what is your line of thinking in being so unacceptable of the evolving system.
Hey thanks for the reply. I didn't know what to make of the original claim, but after reading that link, I have mixed feelings. I thought she was referring to passengers who were scanned but that didn't make sense. The cancer clusters are from the agents working the machines. Like many folks on here I hate the TSA and power hungry cops. So since it is they who are getting cancer I find myself torn between caring, since they are people, and eerily satisfied that karma is working as it should. I mean the types of people who take those jobs aren't the greatest people in the first place. We would be better off with a few less sociopaths.
Cancer clusters showing up? This is the first I have heard of this. Do you have an article I can read? I'd love to know more!
If you're not first, you're last! Woooooooooooo!
This AC right here is exactly the type of elitist douche nozzle people are talking about when you try to get any little bit of help. EVE players are total asshats, hands down worse than the most elitist PVPers in WoW.
What a hateful troll you are! It would be a shame if you somehow lost your job, filed for bankruptcy, and had to get food stamps and free school lunch. But I guess you're too awesome to ever have bad times fall upon you because you are a super prepper right? Got 22 years of savings squirrelled away and enough food to feed Cambodia for 15 years stored in your bomb proof shelter right? RIGHT?
BACK UNDER YOUR BRIDGE!
So you want high school to run like a college. Ok, I'm good with that. A very logical argument.
However when you say there is no good reason I have to disagree. You will disagree with this assement but it is founded out here in the real world and not from ideological texts. Baby sitters. The way our economy has developed since the Brady Bunch years of the 1950's, a family really can't afford to have a stay at home mom. So both parents have to work. In case you haven't noticed school really is a glorified babysitter who happens to also teach kids a few things. Allowing the students to have flexibility directly effects the adults abilities to have order. Parents bring home the money, they keep the kids fed. So yeah, their schedule takes priority over the child's no matter how much sense it may make. I think we as a society have forgotten one of the key lessons of life. Life is a cold hearted bitch. The very worst thing a parent can do is try to make thier kids worldproof. I gotta get my ass up at 0530 to go to work then dammit you are gonna get your ass up at 0530 to go to school. I don't like it, you don't like it, but it's just what you have to do to survive in the real world. When I go to this job, I am gonna work, make some money, and not get fired. When you go to school, you are gonna work, make passing grades, and not get expelled. If you can't because you are too tired from gaming or whatever then I am gonna take those phones/xboxen/whatever and back over them with a truck. You will hate me now, but thank me later. You don't cater the world to fit the kids, you make the kids fit the world. THAT ensures survivabilty.
And yeah I know you said by the time they are old enough. You neglect that some parents just don't ever trust thier kids. Ever. I got great stories about about people in thier 30s and 40s who still get told by thier parents where they will go and when they'll go to bed. But that's for another thread.
You call it like you see it. I like that. You wanna know why I want to dodge all these little taxes then, if we're gonna speak honestly? Cause all those rich assholes get to dodge millions in taxes every year but when you or I try to get a break of $2 then we are evil little bastards who are a leech on society and we should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. Why is it ok for them and not for us? I imagine you'll say it's not. Then why are you berating us, your fellow middle classers, and giving them a free pass? Many people here and even the rich folks I refer to, have stated many times that it is your duty to pay as little tax as possible and one should actively work towards this goal. So when we find us a way to save a buck or 2 suddenly it's problem that needs fixed. It'll get fixed too cause it is to the big boys advantage. But when we want one of their loopholes patched up what do we get? A bunch of fucking nothing. So let's hear your opinion on the matter.
I would like to know more!
And that response is the same thing as a 4 year old plugging their ears and saying "nanannananannana I can't hear you." Even if the math & ideology point to a reduction in future spending, which they do and you point out, out here in the Real World where I live, jobs are being cut. I know. I got laid off because of this. So just because you wanna scream that it's just less money than you were gonna spend doesn't make the effects any less significant. This is affecting real people with real families to feed and those people at the top who pushed this down on us conveniently made themselves immune. Stop cheerleading this bullshit. You're part of the problem and by the looks of how 'Insightful' fellow Slashdotters have modded you, we got a lot of assholes in here.
All that bitly link did was link back to this /. post. Was that supposed to be the joke? If so, then I earn a WHOOSH (though I still don't get it). I fully expected to see this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AOfbnGkuGc
PS: bitly links are stupid. Just post a regular URL already. We aren't on twitter.
I'll try to clear a bit of that up. Some soldiers, even when off-duty, love to be seen in their uniforms. They are proud of who they are, the organization that they serve, and want everyone to know it. True pride in thier work if you will because that is a core principle ingrained in them during training. The backpackers aren't typically running with their gear, as was originally mentioned they are walking along side. Some to just get that road march type training in, sometimes because they are EMT volunteers so they carry appropriate gear, and sometimes just as a show of solidairity and support. Also there can and have been events like that where a military person could have been participating, sponsored by his unit. I don't know if this marathon in particular consisted of those but you can't rule it out. Post 911 at least, it has been general policy of the military though to not wear your uniform in public unless you are enroute to work. This is to minimize attacks of opportunity and as general operation security protocol. Some don't heed that advice however, possibly because of the "romantic" visions of the WW2 days where soldiers were loved and respected by the public and they wish to try and revive that spirit. Again that's a pride thing. Hope that helps.
Doesn't matter at all. The damage to one's reputation has already been done, much like once you're accused of being a pedo, that stink sticks around a long long time. This kind of crowdsourced BS is just a fancy new buzzword for mob justice/mob rule with all the negatives that entails.
Hehe I think you may have reinforced my point. You didn't make any descriptive statement about them so when you say they look like all the other officers around there I envision all the officers I have around here. God we got a lot of fat ass cops....
The SRO's btw are also actual County police, uniform, badge, gun the whole shebang.
"taking the piss"
Now that is a British euphamism that I just can't seem to wrap my head around every time I hear it. Even though it's English (language), it just doesn't seem to translate to American well at all.
Well now hold on. The same can be said of school cops called SRO's around here. Have you actually seen these guys? Not the creme of the crop I assure you.
Oh I'm ex-military so I am quite agreeable to a force response that is quite proportional to that being used against you. I was just poking a stick at the AC troll :)
That's just being pedantic. We have tranquilizer darts which are analagous. Sad little troll.
Your post has 2 issues:
1) It's never good enough for many people. He increased from 2 to 15%. That is a substantial gain. If that were in the financial market investors would be popping champagne. Should we automatically assume that he should rest on his laurels and stop increasing it? Most likely not. That becomes a matter of opinion though about what the proper mixture of men and women, race or whatever other areas are covered under policies like this. I have no opinion on that detail other than you should have the proper personnel makeup to accomplish your task in the most effective manner. To immediately rebuke this particular effort is though just starts a chain of goalpost moving which accomplishes nothing. What if next year it increases to 20%? Is that enough? Some will say no and say we need more so maybe he redoubles his efforts and makes it to 30% the next year. Is that enough? Some will say no, rinse and repeat. At least he is doing something positive because in this economy I am happy if anyone has a job, especially engineers cause that's my trade.
2) You found and demonstrated why alot of people use percentages. The way you apply them can make your results appear bigger or smaller than they are. As you said the article states 15% so that went from 1 to 5 total engineers. 5 does sound small doesn't it? So to make it look bigger convert it to a percentage. People like you and I will catch that but laymen or those who just aren't interested will just kinda gloss over it. You can go the other way too. Say there's something that has killed 100,000 people. That is a lot of people. But if you were trying to deny the issue or block legislation or something similar then you could convert that to a percentage and say (just an example) "That's less than 1% of the population!" Now that doesn't sound so bad anymore. Less than 1%? Statistically insignificant most would say. Don't tell that to the families of the dead though.
I was not attempting to put words in your mouth. I gave an example, the slavery part, of why deferring to consensus will get you bit. You did claim consensus should negate her opinion because the way that whole last paragraph reads, it's implied. If you weren't attempting to imply anything, restate your argument.
You do claim violence *likely* contributed. This I completely disagree with. There is no evidence that the Nature vs. Nurture argument has been settled. Your argument says if daddy beat him then he is more likely to beat others. Stats will say if I am poor then I am more likely to stay poor. Both of those statements are negated everyday by people like me. And before you claim outlier, read my stats post response to tehcyder which is in this thread.
Why did I think you were offended/incensed/defensive? Because girlintraining's post was mostly neutral (that sensationalist garbage part did start sway it the other way though I'll concede) and fairly compassionate but you took the complete opposite stance and used words such as "screams predisposition." People who scream are often offended. To back that up, your last post, when boiled down, said "the writers of wiki all agree so why listen to you?" That is why I can rule out that you weren't screaming because you were happy or excited. Those little words, man, what a pain in the ass. Everyday laws are negated & criminals set free because of how something is worded. Us debaters call that rules lawyering and it'll make or break any argument.
And finally it was because you played the Godwin card. That's what even caught my attention in the first place. Had you not said it, I probably wouldn't have even responded. The Godwin card is like a nuke. You don't fire that one off unitl you got nothing left, a hail Mary if you will. To open with it is generally an attempt to shutdown discussion completely because it's a corollary to it's definition which is: the longer a debate goes on, the likely hood of someone mentioning Hitler or Nazi's increases exponentially. The commonly accepted corollary to that is once it does, game over man! Godwin's have alot of power. With great power comes great responsibility. Don't just go throwing them out there!
Now hold up. As other posters have pointed out, the conspiracy that the OP is trying assert is most likely a condition of these devices being developer models and that makes sense. What he is correct about, is that many companies and even our politicians quite often do try the old "This is us giving you something, not the other way around." No one can deny that. You said it yourself (in not so many words) that nothing is ever truly free. The reason people expect free to mean no obligation in return is because that's it technical definition. Alot of us know better though. I also agree that the Glass device itself is worthy of monetary payment if it's good hardware. So no beef there. What I do take offense to is that you took this thread and made it all political so I'm gonna tear it apart and challenge your ideals.
Where is this actual group of people who always scream something-for-nothing? In any population there will always be some that refuse to do anything at all, sure. That group though has always been statistically small and it will never be eradicated. You just have to deal with those. What I hear most conservatives claim about the people who are lazy good for nothings sucking off the government teet are in actuality people who are on disability, social security, the mentally ill, foster/orphan children and the like. These folks met the criteria to claim these benefits so they aren't freeloaders, we as a society (and in general decent fucking human beings) have decided to take care of them as opposed to let them die in the streets. People on Social Security and Unemployment are especially immune to the criticisms. Those are insurances. They paid into them and are most definitely entitled to get their money back! That isn't something for nothing. Veterans benefits are also another untouchable. They went to war for the ideals this country purports to uphold so you are goddamned right they deserve everything they earned. We broke em, we should fix em.
What I hear the people scream is not something for nothing, they say "Where's my fair share?" You also defend Google saying they are a corporation who made a product so deserve to be paid for it cause it wasn't free to produce. I agree, however, many corporations (none of my following statements necessarily apply to just Google) think THEY ARE ENTITLED to your business. They lock you into contracts (software companies), setup protected monopolies (power/cable/utilties), legislate failed business models (Banks/RIAA/MPAA), and most all business categories beat competition down with patent upon patent that may not even be valid! It seems like every quarter we get another news story talking about how Exxon has made a new record all time high profit of eleventy billion dollars. Libertarians and Conservatives alike will say that this was came by honest, that they worked hard, tightened up those boot straps, and are now reaping their success. If it is honest, then you'll never hear me bitch about it. But just like you and I know what free really means, at least I see that profit was anything but honest. They get un-needed subsidies, tax breaks, tax shelters, favorable legislation, and a whole myriad of other benefits that you nor I could even possibly have a hope of receiving. On the flip side, Liberals also think that we can just do bread and circuses and everything will be ok. That's not right either.
How much money is enough? I expect you or another poster to reply: As much as the market can bear. Do you really know what that means? That means you are stressing the system so hard that one more unit of whatever measurement you are using will break it (to simplify it for laymen). That is a flaw in capitalism that needs patched. We had an article the other day about lithium batteries. The most highly moderated posts all said something to the effect of if you charge them to 100% all the time or discharge them completely you will break them. The ideal charge mode was never below 10% and not more than 90%. Also look at s
I have the same experience as you regarding no separate ads, whether at the beginning, middle, or end, due to Adblock+. When he stated float-free youtube, I do believe he means all those damned popup thought bubble ads overlayed on the video itself. Those have to be turned off by clicking the Hide Annotations button on the player toolbar. I have not found a way to make those be turned off by default, and so that is the first thing I click once the video begins playing. But yeah if I didn't have Adblock+ to kill the traditional commercials, I'd have abandoned Youtube long ago. ABP also works quite nicely on Hulu, though with them you get a 30second blank spot bitching at you to stop blocking it! I feel a little bit giddy looking at that screen. Good time to go get some more Mt Dew and Doritos!
I love me some statistics. So where we agree here is that statistically, the poor do have a higher probablity to stay poor. But then you claim my experience doesn't say anything about the staistics because you fire off the classic "You're an outlier" response. Do you actually do any statistics? So many folks throw out the outlier excuse that one could conceivably claim that anything not exactly on the median is an outlier! That's preposterous! That's the whole basis of the 3 & 6 Sigma rules. A guesstimation, because I don't have a spreadsheet full of figures available right now, is that I'm not even 1 sigma away from the mean. I make 70k a year for a family of 4. That isn't even double what the IRS claims is poverty level which I believe was 45k-ish for a family of 4. When you talk outliers you have to quantify that with your confidence level. 3 sigma confidence claims that all values will be within 3 standard deviations from the mean 99.7% of the time. What is that 0.3%? THOSE are the outliers. Yeah I got out of poverty, cause I make more than the poverty level, but I sure as hell didn't make it to the top!
SCIENCE BITCHES. IT. JUST. WORKS.
I think we agree here, and I'm on your side. That last statement is simply how I roll. If someone makes a claim, I look at their presentation of facts and evidence, and then I look at the other side. I do not defaultly believe anyone. Your arguments presented excellent reality based assements & facts that I could not debunk. His side did not. I joined your side. In the future, should you make another claim, I will assess your facts, weigh them against the opposing viewpoint and judge at that time. Just because I liked what you said once, doesn't get you a free pass forever. Though looking historically every post of yours that I have read has deserved the mods it has gotten. People like you are why I still come to this "dying" site. Everyone should be this objective. It is true skepticism (and no true Scotsman doesn't wear a kilt!). We'd stop getting the wool pulled over our eyes much less often!